Honda e fast charging comparison

[@nigelbetts7934]

About as in-depth as anyone could want when it comes to a charging comparison. Thanks very much for the great information

[@greengrubwoodentoysaustral8452]

Agree with Nigel. Bjorn you are a genius at the real world comparisons which are useful with lots of data not available from manufacturers or other KZbinrs. Thanks again.

[@francescomarialeo]

E 208 is doinv incredibly well 👌 i know the one i would pick

[@AaronStarkLinux]

Honda e is more like a piece of tech and art, you can buy it and wait 20 or 30 years and then resell it for 10 times of its original price xD

[@tuberichter]

good idea!

[@nevco8774]

Yes, considering the fact that just a few will be sold. However knowing Honda knack for oddities I can bet that what design in circuitry and battery is today in this car will be extremely onsolete in 20 years and definitely incompatible with whatever will be standard at that time. To restore such piece of history one will need a powertrain from Tesla which by that time will be small enough to fit it. Forget about original screens in working conditions though.

[@yev6683]

Sorry no, someone would need to make a back to the future film for it to get cult status at this stage. It's an expensive cheap car, that is all. In the future? Eeeh it would be like trying to retrofit a Motorola Edge to have iPhone features. Just not going to happen.

[@Martinsp16]

This is great video Bjorn, thank you for great information

[@MarcoPon]

I'm just waiting to see that 1500W Schuko port put to the test charging another EV! Hopefully it's good shiieeet! :)

[@mkkm945]

Everything "e" about the Honda E is poor unfortunately. Efficiency, range, charging speed. As a vehicle, it's so damn cute, lovely tech and interior. Unfortunately, they forgot to make the E part worth it.

[@MrNikitir]

well first I was disappointed that it not coming to US, now I see that this is another average EV that wouldn't find it's place. There will be few people that buy it just for the exterior, but that is nothing. Thanks Bjorn for your work!

[@yanisdarras1784]

I don’t get something ... The Honda e wasn’t suppose to charge up to 100kw ?

[@kasmopaya2676]

@@abraxastulammo9940 Still better then Toyota... 0kw for Toyota for now.

[@Genuiini]

Nice comparison!

[@blackthabata]

Honda should urgently correct the charging curve via a software update

[@rickwookie]

Exactly. It can't possibly need to step down so abruptly at those points, but rather ramp down slowly over the cycle, and the net result would be much improved charge speed overall. They need to unlock a little of that oversized top buffer too.

[@amiddled]

It isn't a question of "correcting" the charging curve, like it is some bug to be fixed. They've arrived at this as a result of the properties of the battery and to preserve the life of it. Sure, small tweaks might be made, but don't expect miracles that go beyond what the battery is capable of...

[@rickwookie]

Andy Middleditch Yes and no. The properties of the battery pack are not significantly different to that of any other EV, and certainly there is nothing that warrants such an abrupt stepped reduction in charge current at those points (~20%, 40%, 70% & 95%) rather than a smooth ramped reduction between those points.

[@darrenyorkshire]

I think they did. mine charges faster

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

I'd have a Honda-E as a 2nd car if i had the money

[@JackJohnson-br4qr]

Just a city car? No. Just a compliance car. Ridiculous.

[@olegs79]

So a sub-part compliance car. Nothing special. Nice video.

[@daveamies5031]

I was torn between the Honda e and the e-208, but after watching your tests on both, I would go with the e-208 if it comes to Oz. Thanks Bjørn for these tests 👍🏼

[@Will-dq4vh]

Could have compared the i3 - has a much better charging curve

[@kasmopaya2676]

i3? Why should anyone buy a i3 or a E-mini when E-Corsa and e-208 are out?

[@pilotandthecity8527]

Kasmopaya well, just drive it. Then you know! It drives superior and the quality is at a different level.

[@shockwave1xD]

True. i3 94ah is the better car compared to the Honda

[@RoaldHemel35]

You can order/buy a new eGolf until november/december 2020

[@marcusevjourney566]

Spot on, eUp is the sensible choice for the city. Honda E is just too expensive for what it is, Mini Electric will be a better car if you want something with more style than the eUp.

[@nakfan]

There is a shortage of cars (e-UP) in Denmark... It is frustrating when the manufacturers really does not care about selling a model for some (strategic) reason...

[@kasmopaya2676]

E-Mini far better? As far as i know, it is 2013 i3 tech and only slow charges with 50kw. Corsa-E/E-208 is far better. Or even Zoe 52kWh and MG ZS EV. Or go for the ultimate, Model 3.

[@VolkerHett]

nakfan100 they are sold out! Opel takes orders for the Corsa-e with 12 months waiting time!

[@ポール-w2k]

I have a reservation but will probably cancel. I wasn't sure but the poor range and charging in 2020 are too much given the high price.

[@jpen5599]

Nice data, love it! Can you do same with Y, e-tron, S"raven"?

[@Festoolification]

Horses for courses, for someone who definitely doesn't have range as a priority and charges overnight then an ex lease Honda E in 2 or 3 years might a smart choice. Reckon it will have better long term residuals, that the other cars here especially if it doesn't sell in high numbers. Original Leaf range was OK for many buyers.

[@CoolSilver]

The other thing that makes the e-Up cheaper is lack of active water cooling system for the battery. Likely why it takes forever at the top end when the battery is thermally saturated.

[@Ghruuul]

Why Honda or Peugeot e-208? Why not a Kona?

[@bjornnyland]

Way bigger battery.

[@Ghruuul]

@@bjornnyland Aha you did mention bigger batteries charge faster. Thank you.

[@R_Time_Now]

The Honda e is an amazing car both inside and out...If only they would put a proper size battery in it

[@nogassini]

Bjorn tell more please about upcoming MG update please ;-)

[@HowlUKx]

I’m sure there was a software update just prior to the UK launch that delayed the launch. I’ve had mine since launch and it definitely does not do these speeds and never has. Just going from 50% to 80% takes half an hour. It’s usually about 17-20kW. It’s not the chargers as I’ve watched other cars charge at 40+ and then plugged myself in and watched it crawl along at less than 20. I think it throttles harder than this video suggests and I remember watching this video long before the first few cars arrived in the UK.

[@azera55555]

disappointing numbers but I still am obsessed with the honda e interior. It is so modern and futuristic

[@Group51]

I hear you. But that I can’t stop looking at that interior.

[@Miniorpernik]

It is a city car(Honda e)I am more concerned with the battery degradation.Any thoughts on that?

[@sveko7633]

Bought one anyway, lets hope for an update!

[@flyingburrito6579]

MG with magnesium wheels ftw! 😂

[@BoatLoadsofDope]

To me it seems the Honda e is designed around battery protection. It has a rather big buffer. Liquid cooling for the battery. And heating for winter. And it throttles the charge early on.

[@martinagiuslia]

I think Honda is probably being conservative and have a lot of spare battery that they will unlock via software updates after a few months.. once they are confident of ongoing performance.

[@ChrisSchnurr]

Hey sorry for newb question: is there linear relationship between kW DC and kW AC ? so if 10% charge at 43kW takes 3 min, does this mean we can assume 10% charge at home 7kW charger takes (43/7) * 3 = 18 min ? Also: great vid :thumbsUp

[@nutzeeer]

I like range and tech. For honda as a traditional engine maker the e tech is new and expensive. They may be years too late. But i love the design, despite lower range. If they get their hands on solid state tech it will be a success. The honda is cute. And thats says me as one who likes volvo.

[@pilotandthecity8527]

Actually when I see this, the BMW i3 is not that bad. It will keep 50 kWh till 86,5%. Cool to see this comparison. Great idea to do this!

[@bjornnyland]

*50 kW

[@pilotandthecity8527]

You’re totally right!! And to be honest, it starts with about 45 kW and builds up till a little above 50kW, till about 86%. Do you think it’s about costs or missing engineering quality that the Honda performance is so disappointing? I was surprised to see this in a new car on this quickly devolving market.

[@robertn2951]

I would like to know what happens when it is raining a lot and you are charging the Honda-e. Is there water accumulating near the socket?

[@bjornnyland]

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[@robertn2951]

@@bjornnyland Thank you Bjorn! Your comment are very detailed! I hope you will check out Citroën ë-C4 electric soon

[@nevco8774]

Am I alone to consider Honda brand way overrated vs Hyundai/Kia?

[@francescomarialeo]

Well it defently has some better reputation for durability and quality for the price but yeah, i feel like those cars have no "soul" and the Honda e is cool but not useful.

[@francescomarialeo]

@@MyInfotainmentFix well that's why they are so reliable, they run on prooven tech, no innovation.

[@PerErik87]

it should be, kmh range charged per minute. Then it would be easier to compare.

[@rickwookie]

Question for Bjørn Nyland: At what point on the Honda e discharge does the " low battery warning indicator" come on? Reason I ask is that the Honda e brochure states: PUBLIC DC CHARGE CCS2 50KW 31 MINUTES* 80% CHARGE *Charge times are measured from the low battery warning indicator. It took 31 minutes to go from 25% to 80% in your video, so does the warning come on as early as 25% remaining charge?!

[@bjornnyland]

Low battery warning comes at 15 %.

[@rickwookie]

Bjørn Nyland So that’s between 2 minutes (15%) and 36 minutes (80%) in your video. 34 minutes vs their claimed 31. That’s 10% longer to charge than they are claiming. Of course they’re also claiming the car has a 35.5 kWh battery pack, which is an even more questionable claim.

[@zavierorlos1948]

how do we know if the batteries of an EV are any good? .. i mean do they change from car to car? the all dont use the same brands right? .... Another question is i heard like a month ago some Guy working at Honda in UK saying that the Honda charges so slow to extend the life of a Batterie, is that true? cause if it is like that, then the price is actually no so bad, cause the car will last longer

[@mikecarter2737]

The Honda BEV I drive, the Clarity, charges @41 kW to 75% SOC, then 27 kW to 95% SOC. The Honda e charge rate seems disappointing, especially since the pack has higher voltage than the Clarity. Short range is OK IF you can charge quickly.

[@renedekat3519]

I wonder if Honda is taking a conservative approach to gain real world knowledge first, before tweaking the charging and efficiency. This happened with other brands as well, if I am not mistaken.

[@EmanASMR]

I get a feeling when there is more data Honda will update charging speeds

[@rickwookie]

Looking at those 4 tests I extrapolate that the usable capacity of those four vehicles is: Honda e 28.55 kWh eUp! 33.48 MG ZS EV 45.5 Peugeot e208 47.65 Most surprising one being the MG having a greater capacity than even its quoted battery size?

[@sveko7633]

28.55 kWh -- i think this is more disapointing than any charge time with an 35.5 kwh capacity.

[@bjornnyland]

No, the usable capacity is written on the screen there.

[@rickwookie]

Bjørn Nyland I was going by the amount of charge claimed delivered by the chargers (in kWh) divided by 0.8 (90%-10%). Was this not correct? *I took off the approximately 2% already delivered to the Peugeot at the start of the video (presumably to bring it up to 10%?)

[@davithdevries6774]

@@rickwookie that is not the right way to calculate, because it does not account for DC charging loss, which depends on ambient and battery temperature, and internal resistance of the battery. It is about 10% loss. So if you pay for 40kWh, about 36kWh is stored in the battery, 4kWh is heat loss in charging proces. So you should multiply by about 0.9 to get approximate nett capacity. But eup was charged in winter, Honda E in summertime, making it harder to compare. It is more reliable to do it Bjorns way with a range test at slow speed (low heat loss), preferably in summer climate, and then multiply consumption with km driven, divided by SoC used. This does have another inaccuracy, namely the consumption meter, how accurate it is and what it includes. But it should be more accurate.

[@rickwookie]

Davith de Vries All good points there, but is it really 10% charging loss?! To take your example 40 kWh, delivered over about half an hour. 10% loss would mean 8 kW of heat! Where does that all go?!

[@Hocken76]

My Audi TT doesn't have armrest, is that a city car? Probably according to Björn :)

[@vivienstaehle1326]

very nice video. Why is the Honda only 50kW ? It can handle 100kW...

[@mccleaf724]

Of the 4 cars, the Honda does not have a fossil version like the other 3. You would think it would do better given it is a ground up purposed built EV. I've owned 21 Honda's in my life, and would buy a Honda EV just based upon my history. This car won't make to the U.S. My biggest complaint? No center console or arm rest!? WTF! That could be a deal breaker for me.

[@dannunzio2958]

Late to the party but the center armrest is a dealer installed optional fyi

[@thorarnerugsveen5794]

I guess the Honda is built in Japan. Then I also assume that it will last longer than most others

[@DarcersTech]

This is a disappointment. I really like the design and tech of the Honda but my first generation i3 seems like a better car overall. Shame.

[@MichaelEricMenk]

Seams like Honda e do not have sufficient cooling. The amp in the CC part is reduced well before the CV portion of the charge. And it to early for reduction due to balancing... Charging at 1C, is (from the battery perspective) not fastcharging...

[@ポール-w2k]

That's terrible, what are they doing?

[@MrNikitir]

Are you going to test 225kw charging speed for S/X that lately introduced?

[@Radium3D]

Per minute pricing really should be illegal. We have means of tracking the *amount* you pull, there is absolutely no reason for charging by time.

[@aggregatekoffie]

i will never buy a without an armrest.

[@ChrisSchnurr]

I am going to fit an aftermarket cushion :)

[@benedikt5974]

That is a pretty bad charge rate. I would guess that even my Nissan Leaf beats that charge rate on most of my charging stops.

[@hollymolly518]

hmm the offical said 0-80 in 30 min

[@bjornnyland]

Official just said charging time to 80 %, right? It didn't say from which SoC.

[@hollymolly518]

@@bjornnyland yea but it's kinda stupid if it's not from 0-80% but from 20-80 or even 70-80% lol. it only mention with CCS connection.

[@wedrive-derblogfurelektrom2899]

e-Up! has 32,3 kWh net - i own one :)

[@k-i_d]

I rarely travel long distances by car, to me the charging speed doesn't matter too much. Way better than a lame Smart EQ fortwo. The Honda e doesn't would be no downgrade for me, I just need the money now 😅

[@nakfan]

Yes, disappointing... In 2020 a premium EV (even with a small battery) should charge faster. Honda cannot count on city people having access to overnight charging....

[@user-in1gn6fw2eab]

Such a cute car, but the electric Part of it is a bit shiieet. Maybe it will get an Update sometime in the future, a little bit better charging would be appropriate for the price.

[@TomsManShed]

Bjorn...at 8:58 did you say "When I am driving I like to put my meat on the steering wheel"?..really?... :)

[@bjornnyland]

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[@TomsManShed]

@@bjornnyland been a subscriber for a long time...it was said tongue in cheek

[@tonychristineandvinny786]

Maybe only good thing is the 180 ° turn🔄 like no other.

[@MrKajan1]

Honda is the coolest. Other things doesn’t matter 😝

[@lagynas]

Honda e has superior turn radius and distinctive design. That's all.

[@bjornnyland]

That's not all. It has a 1500 W Schuko plug.

[@lagynas]

So it's a real city car, not made for long trips.

[@wermagst]

Very comprehensive test. I find the Honda-e disappointing and would rather buy the e-Up for a city car. In fact I did 😁 (sort of, it's the Citigo 😉)

[@m.s.6545]

Nearly 60min waiting for a 90% "Full Tank" ? complete bonkers !

[@LBM78]

Honda is quite a bit more expensive then the 208/Corsa here in Germany. Fully packed Honda is close to 50k € , 208/Corsa @ 40k€ without discounts and goverments bonus

[@davy_zn]

Top spec Honda E advance is €36850 in Germany

[@sveko7633]

Honda e doesnt cost 50k, where does that come from? Advance with Colour ist about 37300. If you need leather, its 2k more. What else can you buy, despite some lights and bumpers?

[@LBM78]

@@sveko7633 wenn ich den konfiguriere kommt das hier: PREISÜBERSICHT Unverbindliche Preisempfehlung von Honda Deutschland inkl. 19% MwSt. Den Endpreis einschließlich aller Nebenkosten erfahren Sie bei Ihrem Honda Vertragspartner. Ausstattungsvariante und Motor 36.850,00 € Farbe und Innenausstattung 1.750,00 € Sonderausstattung und Zubehör 19 9.912,00 € GESAMTPREIS 48.512,00 € also lernen wie man konfiguriert, so hab ich mir meinen Corsa e und GS auch konfiguriert. this car is about individuality so thats how I konfigure it... if I want basic I go with a Zoe

[@shockwave1xD]

Man the Honda is such a disappointment. A year ago everybody was talking about 100kW charging and stuff. In the end in 45 minutes it's gonna charge only 0.6kWh more than eUp while eUp has far better consumption even on the highway. Very sad. The Honda is a cool car, but a terrible EV for what you get at this high price point.

[@simonbold2908]

First! Great video as always, very informative!

[@jean-paulvandeheijning5088]

shieet

[@Arcturus367]

The director has to be fired. Obviously. ;-)

[@mattaut88]

Byton ist bankrupt

[@bjornnyland]

What does that have to do with Honda e?

[@mistermister2085]

The Honda E-turd? It is really nice, but too much cash... resale should be good...make a nice city car.

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

People are just hating on this car bc it is from an asian brand. In reality nearly everyone would just charge it at home at night and it makes absolutley no difference if it takes slightly longer to charge. The whole charging speed hype is as absurd as rating combustion cars based on their top speed or similarly useless numbers...

[@davidspencer7254]

The lower the range, the more important it is.

[@darrenyorkshire]

My Honda e charged faster than that.