Yonex Eclipsion 4 Performance Review From The Inside Out

[@FootDoctorZach]

My custom orthotic guide and checklist:geni.us/custominsert

[@masonwrisley2748]

Do you do giveaways?

[@AdrianColumbus]

Hi Zach, I have metatarsalgia and are looking for the tennis shoe with the max amount of cushoning to use when I slowly start playing again. Do you have any ideas/ suggestion, currently using the V12 1080 New Balance, which are helping for walking, but my newly bought Wilson tennis shoes are just too hard to start back up with! Would greatly appreciate your thoughts!

[@TheDrakulie]

Doc, that was one of the best 1 handed slice backhand angle i have ever seen, looks like you are ready for 2023 Wimbledon

[@nerdly]

The Yonex Eclipsion 4 surprised me, and it's now my preferred pickleball shoe. My PB shoe adventure began with the Adidas Adizero Ubersonic 4. I liked the light feel, but even with orthotics, I would feel ball-of-foot pain after a few matches. Next was the Nike Zoom GP Turbo. I still love 'em, but they're heavy and hot. My third and least favorite was the Asics Court FF 2. They're like going from a sports car to an SUV. I felt taller and higher, which is a weird feeling. I felt almost uncoordinated in these shoes. They are incredibly light, but I also couldn't get over the uppers popping sound every time I took a step. Now I'm all in with the Yonex Eclipsion 4. Break-in time felt like an hour tops. They're the perfect mashup of the GP Turbo and Ubersonic 4. Light, cushioned, stable, and fast. Thanks for the review! I would not have bought these since I wasn't familiar with Yonex shoes.

[@richardb7093]

Everyone is different because the Asics FF2 are now my main Pickleball/tennis shoe. No pain of any kind and I get awesome mobility. Only issue was that they run warm to hot.

[@bournejason66]

Is the toe box area wide or narrow?

[@SaberShirou]

Thanks Zach! I bought the Eclipsion 3 last time round based on your review, and was excited to hear what you had to say about the new Eclipsion 4. In fact, I went out to buy a pair a week ago and felt that it was immediately more comfortable than the 3s in terms of wider fit and more pliable materials in the upper. The 3s tend to kink a bit when you bend your foot at the toe. So all in all, it is exactly how you described it. Lighter, more comfortable and immediately impressive without the need for breaking in. An all-around upgrade to the previous iteration. I really hope Yonex brings the blue/black colourway to Southeast Asia because the Eclipsion 4s that come only in white tend to stain easily, and the toe guard will pick up the colour of the court easily when dragging the toe.

[@michaelp9061]

Finally someone made them with actual durable outsoles. Great review. Will try these.

[@vintage4000]

Always waiting for your uploads doc!

[@boulderchips148]

Awesome video. Sounds like a refinement on the 3s. I'm definitely going to try a pair. Thanks for the review!

[@LordVlad2321]

Great Review !!! Cannot wait for the review of Zen 3 or 4 from 361 those are 🔥🔥🔥

[@zemon0997]

you should do a review of the air jordan 4

[@987mikka]

Great as always

[@HanzSygnal]

I would change the shuttle test to have the closest hand touch the ground; will slightly improve speed; Just bought a FANTASTIC pair of Artengo's's TS500 for $58! Give em a review, I feel like I hacked the industry.

[@Mewborne89]

Already ordered all three colors available! Been waiting for these for about 9 months lol Been looking for a good tennis shoe lately, but really unimpressed with tennis shoes over the last year or two. Thanks for the review!

[@donkeybro6368]

My roger pro is finally unusable and I’ve bought 3 different pairs to play with: Asics Solution Speed FF2, Yonex Eclipsion4, Nike Turbo GP, all based on your reviews, unfortunately none of your affiliate sites ship to my location and I couldn’t find Lotto and Diadora near me. I bought all the shoes in my normal size. Interestingly my half size down Roger Pro felt long enough and slightly wide to me, but the Turbo GP ended up being so narrow I literally couldn’t put my feet in and need to exchange for a larger size. I have played with the Yonex today for the first time. At first it felt too narrow and the toe bix didn’t seem tall enough for me, but luckily it ended up fine after a while. It was stable and…”comfortable”? It’s comfortable not in a plush way, but that it muted everything out and I didn’t feel like I was stepping on anything. One thing I notice is as that it felt less nimble than the Roger Pro to me. I’m not sure if objectively there’s any performance difference, but I was feeling the heels more than usual and less “on my toes”, and so was not having the “grip the ground and twist to accelerate” sensation. Seemingly contradictory to the above though, I think each of my steps feels more distinct now.

[@donkeybro6368]

TLDR: A bit narrow, feel less explosive, not “comfortable” but helps remove discomforts and impacts, steps feel solid and stable, not slow.

[@bournejason66]

How do you like the Roger pro and how long did it last you roughly?

[@donkeybro6368]

@@bournejason66 they’re really agile. Great response and feel. Wide enough toe box for comfort too. Very minimal cushioning so definitely a game day shoe. I’m very light and run a lot; it died after 40 weeks of 4-8 hours tennis? Couldn’t remember. Again, I’m very light so I imagine someone heavier would need more cushion. Major downside is that you must be in form as the shoes give you nothing free. If your footwork is sloppy you’d play horribly.

[@ykc16888]

Great video as always. How's the midsole comfort? I watched the video couple of times but didn't seem to have mentioned it. If GP Turbo is a 10 in terms of midsole comfort, what's the score for the Eclipsion 4? thanks.

[@nicolewb24]

been looking to try something other than the string of asics gel res 8s i’ve been wearing for almost two years now. been good shoes for me, just want to try something else. gonna give these a go. thx for your videos.

[@augustoballester8110]

Zach, would've like to hear your thoughts on the lateral stability of these vs the 3s given the 4s seem to have done away with the heel shank. Also, was telling to see Ruud playing with what appeared to be the 3s and NOT the 4s in the French. You could tell by the sole of his shoes he was NOT wearing the 4s. I'm not yet sold on the 4s and are instead trying the Lotto Raptor Hyperpulse 100 as you recommend. Thanks for sharing your thoughts once again.

[@YouTubeProfessional769]

Anyone know how the overall comfort on these would compare to the Asics gel res 9s?

[@soneeeee4440]

These are discounted where i live. I assume you slide around on clay vs asics gel res 8 clay since my adidas all court SOLECOURT BOOST slide around a bit? sadly my 2 pairs (1 warranty replacement by asics) of gel res 8 the grommets give out and laces break through, but otherwise i love the tight stable fit, so looking for a replacement

[@markaitkin]

A cracking shoe. Fit my like a glove. Does feel a little firm up front but after seeing this vid I'm guessing it's the plate. Highly recommend these for people like me who have massive big toes.

[@jeremyparkphotographer]

Got these recently and found my feet ache in them, which is a first for me after having had Wilson, NB, KSwiss and Diadora shoes... they are a comfortable true to size fit otherwise and have a very strong grip in the clay version I bought. Stable and fast enough, however I will need to fit better arch support for these

[@FootDoctorZach]

These arent for everyone for sure

[@vamostimow]

you play really well , whats your tennis history ? and whats your job ?

[@giantolentino_1]

Hey doc! Maybe some Badminton shoes soon?👀

[@JoseHernandez-uj2re]

NineCourt Zoom Lite 3?

[@aeris4393]

Are these better that court ff 2?

[@yashjain2305]

Hey! How would you compare them to court ff2/SS ff 2 from asics or nike zoom pro? Would you say these are on par with them or asics and nike shoes are still better? Thanks.

[@namhoangnguyen]

Hi Zack, thanks for a great review. I am getting these. I have medium width foot and currently using Gel-res8 in size US 9.5 which fits me perfectly. Should I go up half a size since Yonex tend to run narrower?

[@siggepolleryd2835]

Which size did you choose?

[@alco2758]

same question. was Yonex 9.5 a good fit?

[@ethn.allana_]

PG 6 vs KD15 please make review comparison thank you

[@iChuckT]

Had the 3s and really didn’t like them. Too stiff and uncomfortable. Are these better in that area?

[@akseljm7018]

Can you do a video on the air jordan 11?

[@tonygibbons5]

How many times do you think you've said "Dremel ten seconds highest grit sandpaper."? 😂 Thanks for the videos Doc

[@FootDoctorZach]

take how many videos ive done, multiple times 2 then by 400 for all the outtakes

[@AndysTV]

Between Eclipsing 3 and 4 which would be better? Is the 4 worth the extra $26 dollars? I don't like how yonex is heading for the tennis shoes. The bottom part used be be separated from the middle and use hard plastic and carbon fiber to connect them which creates a stiffer support for hardcore tennis. Now, the shoes are becoming softer which for me the performance is getting worse. Is the 4 too flat? I need to run up and volley. Is the forwarding speed slow due to the flat design?

[@AndysTV]

Is there a shoe that is good with forward and backward movement in Yonex? Or I have to buy the asics court ff 3? I like the power cushion bounciness than the asics cushions that pretty much eat away my foot power.

[@rodolfolumbang4118]

True size?

[@ikbaliyenizam3284]

Hey! l need your medical view in this topic. Do you recommend or think its ok to buy used shoes? Would replacing the insole deep cleaning and washing it with %95 alcohol be enough. Should l maybe replace the tongue. Or used shoes must be avoided at all costs because of fungus.

[@lorenzorolando553]

Hi Zach, thanks for the video, my main concern was about how leaner the 4 was compared to the three in matter of the heel and forefoot materials. Thank for the review as always and keep it up none shoe related question, do you think Roger is coming back at all?

[@FootDoctorZach]

I think he could but he may not want to risk coming back and performing poorly so I wouldn’t put money on it but wouldn’t be surprised either if he did try and play the grass season next year

[@ajcph]

How does this compare to the gel resolution 9 and which would you recommend out of the 2? Am currently using the gel resolution 8

[@FootDoctorZach]

I have super detailed reviews on both - I have no idea what your game is or foot type so I can’t recommend a specific but one will gel with you once watching the reviews

[@kennyomega8077]

Please suggest me good shoes on cemented floor for badminton. I wasted 3 pair of shoes. Please

[@gabrielhernandez8517]

Can I do a review for kt6 high please Im about to buy it

[@dmattox8605]

How do these stack up for pickle? Better that the Babolat?

[@AndysTV]

0:56 I don't think it's about aerodynamics. They design it so it's better when it bends

[@masonwrisley2748]

Could you do a list of shoes with 6 month outsole guarantees?

[@villiam7941]

Then it will be video for US only as there are no such thing as six months outsole guarantee in Europe

[@masonwrisley2748]

@@villiam7941 my bad bro, I didn’t mean to single out European watchers, I just don’t want to be broke buying shoes

[@PoBoyR6]

Pay close attention to the durometer readings of the rubber and narrow in on the shoes with the highest values. These Eclipsion 4s have one of the highest values I’ve seen for tennis shoes so I would start with them.

[@masonwrisley2748]

@@PoBoyR6 I see that, but I don’t find a good correlation between durability and hardness. I have the resolution 8s and they aren’t that durable, but the rubbers hard

[@masonwrisley2748]

I find with harder rubber, the slicker the traction is

[@shriramoka]

How does this compare to the fusion rev 4 vis a vi outsole durability and comfort ?

[@adiooc]

which one has more durability (outsole), these Yonex or Asics Gel Resolution 8?

[@brunis_m]

I have wide feet but I don’t think wide shoes exist anywhere outside of the US. Want to import one, but how do I figure out if I’m a 2E or 4E?

[@jonk.6161]

Sold.💸

[@DP-eo5xd]

Is the midsole flexible or more or the stiffer side?

[@jcrisp90]

Are these good for sliding on artificial clay?

[@markmoore5981]

I purchased a pair of the Eclipsion 4s based on this review. I am always looking for a good stable speed shoe with cushioning. This shoe seemed to be in this category along with the Diadora B.Icon, New Balance 996 v5, Asics Court FF3, and the Lotto Raptor 100 - all of which are excellent shoes with good comfort and on court performance IMO. Unfortunately, in wearing the Eclipsion 4 around the house for an hour, my feet began to hurt - they felt fairly firm under foot. I tried some Powerstep inserts with them to see if that would help and it did not. I am wondering if the shoe's lack of cushioning has anything to do with the graphite shank in the midsole. This is the second shoe I have tried with a graphite plate in the design that seemed top lack proper cushion. I understand why these plates have been popular in improving performance in a "straight line" sport like running, but do you think that they are well suited to a sport like tennis, Zach?

[@InfinityProTeam]

Mark, what tennis shoes do you like?

[@markmoore5981]

@@InfinityProTeam Personally, right now, my favorite shoe is the Mizuno Wave Enforce Tour - it does everything well. It is stable, quick, cushioned, well-ventilated, and durable. My next favorite would be the Diadora B.Icon 2 - another great shoe that checks all the boxes. Honestly, bells and whistles aside, the best two lines of tennis shoes for proper cushioning and playability IMO are clearly Diadora, Lotto, Mizuno, and Babolat. I have no idea what Nike and Adidas are doing these days but all their shoes are garbage and the ones they had that were well-designed (i.e. Adidas Solecourt Boost and Nike GP Turbo) they discontinue after a couple years. Asics shoes seem to get worse every year, as well. It feels like the larger athletic shoe companies are putting all their time and money into the design of basketball shoes these days and ignoring the tennis market - except for smaller tennis focused companies like Babolat, Diadora, Lotto, and K-Swiss.

[@InfinityProTeam]

@@markmoore5981I’m considering getting the B Icon 2, would you say the cushioning in that is decent? Have you tried the Torneo?

[@markmoorefineart7453]

@@InfinityProTeam Yes. Well, the cushioning in my opinion is slightly better in the Tourneo. I feel the B.Icon 2 is very close and much quicker and more stable. give him the choice I would go with the B.Icon 2 IMHO.

[@markmoorefineart7453]

@@InfinityProTeam i’m also a huge fan of the Mizuno Wave Enforce tour.

[@marcopaoletti5420]

Hi doc, thank s for the reviews. I m using since 2 years both eclipsion and sonicage that I love, but I m looking for something more cushioned for hard court playing. Zoom zero was perfect, but the fit was way to narrow for me. Any thoughts on propulse fury? Mach 3? New Mizuno wave enforce? Thank s for your kind reply

[@FootDoctorZach]

Look out for my enforce review comings - blows others out of the water

[@marcopaoletti5420]

​@@FootDoctorZach got it!! Was looking even the Japanese review before your was online... 😂 Waiting to get the all court sole available in Europe and I ll give the wave enforce the go. Thank s

[@spriggan8784]

Yonex sonicage 2?

[@emanuelebortolazzi1365]

Great shoe not for me though, too narrow, my go to is Adidas sole court bounce at this time. Thanks! Thinking about Mizuno next….

[@bayuputroavianto5267]

Does it have the similar feel to the court ff 3? Or do you have any shoe rec which have a similar feeling to the ff 3. Thanks!

[@FootDoctorZach]

Apples and Oranges - only thing similar i know of is the fusion rev 4 but even that isnt quite the same

[@Zenavesta]

How would you compare these to the Vapor Pros Zach?

[@khalidmalo8767]

Up

[@TheDrakulie]

Question, you said serve test came in at 34 cm jump height and you said it was kind of average. What do you mean by that ? That is one of the highest jump score height, even GP Turbo was 35 cm jump height and that was the highest serve test score you had. did you mean 24 cm for yonex eclip 4 ? you did mean 34 cm ?

[@FootDoctorZach]

My vertical has gotten a lot better since playing more basketball so the goal post has moved quite a bit

[@TheDrakulie]

@@FootDoctorZach LOL. does the Eclip 4 have better jump height than eclip 3 or 2 ? that was really what i was questioning

[@Wladislav]

F1 is truly hitting the mainstream consciousness again.

[@FootDoctorZach]

It’s always in my consciousness haha

[@loveit8602]

Yonex Eclipsion 5 review? Okay for pickleball?

[@FootDoctorZach]

Already reviewed it

[@ryansolomon4178]

How would you compare these to the Mizuno Wave Enforce Tour?

[@FootDoctorZach]

More low to the ground and maybe a bit more containing but much less comfortable

[@ryansolomon4178]

@@FootDoctorZach Thanks!

[@cwoods0913]

Will this shoe fit a superfeet? I’ve had a hard time finding shoes that will take an insole without making my foot too high in the heel.

[@FootDoctorZach]

Yep- it may slip a bit before it breaks in though

[@rishabsaklani1376]

Hi Zach, Love your videos. I want to buy a good pair of clay court shoes. I am a bit overweight and i keep having ankle pain specially on the right foot. My right ankle is a bit susceptible to rolling and have rolled it a few time. Also, almost all my shoes get torn off from the side toe region. Looking for a super stable shoe that has superior comfort and ankle support. Can you please suggest a couple of shoes that would be perfect for me. Thanks so much in advance. Keep up the good work :)

[@FootDoctorZach]

You can check out this video, I have time stamps for all categories just search for what you need in particular and a few shoes should match, you’ll get a decent list of shoes to try for your individual foot : kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2Gpmqd3pampe6M

[@kjamoghli]

would you compare it to Asics Gel Resolution 8, or the ff version 😬

[@FootDoctorZach]

neither? haha

[@kjamoghli]

is it better or worse 🌚, is it worth waiting for the new gel resolution 9🫣

[@dongkrakata]

"Yonex" Now, that's a word I haven't heard for a while..

[@junepak]

Nice Yonex!

[@pistolpete023]

I've heard you refer to the conventional mid-foot shank material as polypropylene several times across your videos. That's not correct; the industry standard is TPU.

[@jcrisp90]

Does a plain white version exist for men? Or is it only women..

[@FootDoctorZach]

Thats the pair I had- maybe just out of stock now

[@jcrisp90]

just cant understand why it doesnt come in all white without the black bits! @@FootDoctorZach