YOU are WRONG about Firelord Ozai’s power

[@dustinjohnson8078]

Hadn’t thought about most of this but I’ve always thought the final fight was underestimated. To be able to control the amount of strength he gains for that few minutes, that he’s never had before and never will again, instantly and flawlessly is bananas. It’s like getting super strength for the first time and proceeding to juggle eggs. Great video man!

[@AntoineBandele]

"Proceeding to juggle eggs" is a PERFECT analogy.

[@humanoidfrog4645]

Juggling eggs is about controll i love that

[@SupremeWorthy]

It's probably alot of low boiling animosity. Iroh looks AT LEAST 10 years older. But was still surpassed for the throne.

[@cristianjahueygaray2503]

​@@AntoineBandele make a video of ozai vs ghazan

[@lokeshvarun152]

the real most powerful firebender was jeong jeong number 2 is sozin cause sozin was a beast at age 82, he was out their killing multiple ZAHEER CLONES in the air temples and he had enough speed to attack all four corners of the world at once sozin was a alpha he also had access to HEAT bending meaning that he was a real prodigy not azula or ozai or the fat boy iroh

[@LordZemosa]

Who else would've loved to see Ozai and Iroh interact atleast once throughout the entire series?

[@lennygriffin2761]

Holy shit dude I just realized that they never interact in the entire series I watched this show 10000 times how come I never noticed that till now? 😭

[@stoheha]

For what it's worth, after a lot of analysis I firmly believe the best display of an Ozai equivalent moment is when the LOK Iroh takes down an entire fleet of planes singlehandedly. This is for anyone that is curious to see what Ozai might've done in that situation.

[@tonymarail6830]

I just realized that they didn't lol.

[@tolkienblack]

I wonder if they even had a relationship. It would’ve been cool if iroh visited him in prison or if ozai visited him while iroh was in prison

[@shadowling77777]

@@stoheha when did iron take down plains in Korra?

[@pathoesr7872]

The fact that Azula - the most calculated character in the show - is scared of Ozai is enough. She's the type to sit there, ponder the ways she'd murder you for fun and be right about it.

[@notaperson6646]

That’s how abuse works though and she has been abused for years

[@bruh6778]

@@Serryy that's different, it isn't just azula is scared of him azula knows he's her firebending superior.

[@bruh6778]

@@notaperson6646 the difference is azula isn't just scared of him she sees him as a superior firebender

[@notaperson6646]

@@bruh6778 “YOU CANT TREAT ME LIKE ZUKO!”

[@AntoineBandele]

@Wes Bradley-Taubner Ya said it better than I could before I could, LOL

[@Malthizar]

Sidenote: you literally forgot the fact that he nearly overwhelmed Avatar Aang in spirit bending despite never even facing that as a form of attack. Let that sink in. Dude had a spirit tug of war with the freaking Avatar and almost won

[@sugasweet435]

That scene was straight terrifying😭

[@bomonyongokon9335]

You didn't listen to what the lion turtle said. That has nothing to do with bending ability.

[@xiphosmaniac]

@@bomonyongokon9335 the OP is saying ozai is talented. never seeing/confronting a spirit attack and nearly overcoming the AVATAR the first time he ever encounters one is a testament to his innate abilities and instincts.

[@isaiahcaston4539]

@@bomonyongokon9335 its an indication of his unshakeable spirit

[@user-pm9bm5zx9e]

was that not the point of the energy bending? aangs spirit had to be unbendable otherwise he would be corrupted

[@teamblack204]

Azula, who is a firebending prodigy, admits that she can't beat Ozai in a duel. Iroh, who is also a firebending master, says he isn't sure if he can beat Ozai. Ozai was comfirmed to be one of the strongest firebenders who ever lived. Even during the solar eclipse, he was able to create a massive lightning quickly.

[@k.o6157]

Even iroh was able to free himself from jail by lightning dawg 😁

[@raheart220]

She's also a mentally unstable young teen/child during ATLA..Ofc she wasn't gonna beat Ozai in a duel lol. Mental state has massive impacts on power output or ability to control your element at the level of skill you would be able to should you be in a sound mindstate under the same circumstances. Most notable in her case when she finally had a mental breakdown and was yes putting out tons of power but it was also during Sozin's comet and very unstable/all over the place. Enough so that Zuko was comparable to her in that state because he had a sound and resolved state of mind. I'm pretty sure Iroh would likely beat Ozai during Sozin's comet in a controlled 1v1 with no outside intervention with high difficulty if not ending up dying to swing the fight resulting in both losing..but since Iroh would be doing it in self sacrifice it's really a win for good and loss for Ozai. If they fought a controlled environment 1v1 without Sozin's comet I think Iroh would win with mid difficulty..maayybe high diff depending on if he slips up at all or if we're talking about prison ripped Iroh or fat Iroh. Prison ripped Iroh is build diff and would wipe Iroh frfr

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@k.o6157 Yes but that doesn't mean he's the top tier of the Royal Family. Ozai, Iroh and Azula wipe the floor with almost all other Fire Nation people so, it's easy to say that for Iroh. But against each other? Much more technical situation.

[@teamblack204]

@@thalmoragent9344 Agreed.

[@lancethedragonmaster8562]

@@k.o6157 when did iroh release himself from jail with lightning? What epusode was that?

[@RollingxBigshot]

Y’all remember how fast he shot lightning at zuko? He did that within the first second of getting his firebending back and shot it the fastest we’ve seen at that point!

[@tacticallemon7518]

here’s the thing The only time (i remember) we see iroh lightning generate, he takes several seconds, granted he’s explaining how it works Azula does hers in about 2 seconds Ozai did it with both hands, with a sliver of the sun out, in less than a second A feat unseen to this day three times over

[@RollingxBigshot]

@@tacticallemon7518 I think a lot of people overlooked those small details

[@herpderp5727]

Iroh also shot lightning to bust down a wall when he and Zuko were running away from Dai Li agents. Given that they were being chased Iroh neither had much time nor the option to be stationary.

[@creed8712]

@@tacticallemon7518we saw Mako generate lightning with enough force to throw a man back several feet with zero buildup.

[@purplenutria1351]

not only that but he can rock that 2 hand lighting

[@Flipitmixit]

Never noticed Ozai did double lightning, thats pretty cool

[@zspider1778]

iroh saying he doesnt know if he can beat ozai for me is enoth to say how powerful ozai is

[@bomonyongokon9335]

Iroh saying that doesn't mean it's true. Even if azula was firelord Iroh will not agree to fight her, his ideology was "a brother killing a brother for power". If Iroh was evil Ozai will be no match. And for the people that say azula fears Ozai I have a question??? Doesn't Ozai fear his father???

[@FranciscoHOS]

@@bomonyongokon9335 You're just trying to manipulate what Iroh thinks then. It's clear as day that Iroh says he's unsure if he would best the Fire Lord, and even on the off chance that he does beat Ozai, history would see it as another brother fighting a brother for power. That ideology is only part of the reason why he states Aang has to fight Ozai, along with the fact that he's unsure if he would be able to beat Ozai. I do agree that the point about Azula fearing her father is inconsequential, as that can just be applied to child abuse in general and not to Ozai's strength. But it's pretty clear just how strong Ozai is compared to the other fire benders in this universe.

[@Storyman09]

Ozai is, quite frankly, scary powerful. He might not be the most intricate or nuanced villain, but as far as serving his narrative role as an incredible, impossible, insurmountable wall for the Gaang to struggle against at the end (and being voiced by Mark Hamill, the most important narrative role ;P ), well, he excels at that. The skill section was highly interesting to me. Didn’t realize he had that much control and precision. That the lightning bolt he shot at Zuko, under only a sliver of sun, contained more power than Zuko’s chi in his whole body was shocking (no pun intended) and cool. Makes me wonder how, in relative comparison to Ozai, his kids ended up so much weaker and less refined than him… And Azula and Zuko are no slouches. Do you think if Azula, Zuko, and Iroh all fought Ozai together they’d be able to take it or no? And, follow up, do you think Azula could or would grow up to match him in her prime?

[@naturalinstinct4950]

Its possible, considering she's barely making it to 20 years old and Ozai is at least 40

[@mr.nonamefalloffchair6443]

I honestly believe she has the most potential of any bender in the show for their respective element considering she was solidly above essentially the entire gaang for most of the show even when ganged up on at the age of 14

[@malonee]

@@mr.nonamefalloffchair6443 I was going to say, I don’t think Azula is just “so much weaker”, she’s literally only 14! Not even in prime age yet, while he’s twice her age but still in his prime 😂

[@bramderacourt9499]

Tbf Zuko and Azula are way younger thab Ozai abd Iroh yet they were already masters of the element in their own right. I bet either one of them in their prime would stomp Ozai.

[@diamantemrobinson]

Azula no doubt would've surpassed him

[@jamest1242r]

Ozai showed how powerful he was when he wasn't even close to full power or 1% and shot lighting comparable to Sozin's comet power at Zuko.

[@Jjop017]

I never knew the fandom thought Ozai was unskilled or a bad bender. I could understand the Iroh vs. Ozai debate having more people favor Iroh, since we see him more, he learned true fire bending, etc. Even then I thought the general consensus was Ozai is either #1 or #2 best fire bender in the series for most fans. I've never entertained that Azula was more skilled or powerful than her father. Ozai generating lightning so fast always stood out to me, since we never saw Iroh or Azula do that. I never questioned Ozai being the most powerful fire bender in the world.

[@RjZyon]

True fire bending doesn’t matter

[@iamsam322]

Maybe lightning redirection isn’t easier physically than generating it but Iroh teaching Zuko how to redirect it after he fails to generate it implies it’s easier to unlock because it doesn’t require the same level of focus and peace of mind that lightning generation requires

[@sebas8225]

I imagine the reason Aang could do it on ozai´s comet enhanced lightning was because his water bending training helped, Zuko could only nail it because it was eclipse nerfed lightning and Ozai did too soon, had he waited a few more secs and he could´ve guaranteed the kill on Zuko.

[@commanderblargh6300]

10:00 If we can't assume a limit on Ozai's power based on what we don't see him do, than we certainly can't assume a limit on the dragons based on this one scene, especially since the dragons aren't even performing an attack, they're just making ceremonial visuals.

[@justinanderson2460]

This is sound logic however, you're misrepresenting the training used. The Ozai>Dragons comment was specifically relating to Ozai being explicitly stated to be The most powerful Fire Bender in the world DESPITE the fact that the Dragons were still alive. The comparison between the Dragon's Flame vs Ozai's Torrent was foe the purposes of scaling that particular feat rather than as some kind of proof that he was superior to the Dragons.

[@azronger7214]

Great job. Glad to see this finally see the light of day.

[@avatarmufasa3628]

Having read your blog on him before, def recognised your structure when detailing Ozais strength, reputation and skill

[@semicolonizer]

Lord Sidious

[@moe37939]

They should make a series of Ozai’s life, I’ve always loved his character ❤

[@UnapologeticallyMuslimah]

They will make you love him though lmao.

[@MarIam-fg1pm]

Same, and not that I think he's not an abuser or anything but I think he has a sad back story like every villain that wasn't told and would like to see more of him

[@UnapologeticallyMuslimah]

@@MarIam-fg1pm this is exactly why I don't want a backstory. It will make you love Ozai as a person and we know he's evil. Azula, yes. Ozai, no. I love Ozai as a villain

[@MarIam-fg1pm]

@@UnapologeticallyMuslimah its just kinda unfair, weknow nothing about him.. even though azula has been so cruel the whole show and just for 2 small scenes people felt sorry for her. Ozai is a very important character that deserved to see the show from him not from his family the show made him so shallow and fans see him as mab who's just evil like he was born this way

[@MarIam-fg1pm]

@@UnapologeticallyMuslimah so at least to see the guy much more I feel like we didn't see him enough his scenes were so few

[@nelsontorres6855]

I have seen that Ozai and Aang fight sooo many times and I ALWAYS thought Ozai dodged the air that erodes the rock column. How could I have missed that and how the hell did he get up after that? It literally broke apart a giant rock.

[@trevinodude]

Dude had some insane durability, that’s for sure.

[@xiphosmaniac]

i vaguely know what scene youre talking about...and my headcanon was that he essentially mitigated it with some quick fire shield or something, kind of like how aang put his air bubble up to mitigate the knockback when ozai broke his rock tomb

[@juanfernandez7409]

Never heard anyone say Ozai was weak always been a beast in my eyes

[@renai9539]

theres this dude im in a tik tok argument trying to say ozai is pathetic n couldnt even sneak zuko.... cause he totally expects zuko to have an ability only iroh has... that i doubt iroh goes around showng off to the only people who use lightning

[@renai9539]

@@wesbradley-taubner9066 that.... was my point...

[@WaterKirby1994]

What non avatar has been shown to be better at Fire Bending than Ozai? The Avatar State is a cheat as your past lives are bending for you. Every avatar could summon Wan's techniques, although it would be Wan's bending rather than theirs. I can understand if someone mistakenly thought Azula was better for having blue flames & being a prodigy who likely never reached her peak. Combustion Man was weak & just unorthodox, nowhere near a contender for best firebender.

[@FutureIndustrieseditz]

You'd be surprised alot of Azula simps out there🤣

[@sebas8225]

@@WaterKirby1994 I´d really argue that even with the avatar state had ozai been smarter he could´ve killed aang, first, when Aang got on that boulder, Ozai could´ve cooked him alive from above or straight up used lightning from above, due to his charging time Aang wouldnt have been able to do anything because he had to keep the boulder strong he would´ve likely been hit by it with no chance of redirection due to the angle. Other win conditions for Ozai would be to use lightning against Avatar state aang, because no matter how powerful he´s in the avatar state the comet enhanced lightning will go through that sphere like it´s nothing and once it hits him, because he´s in flight and using multiple bending types, he will not be able to properly redirect the lightning back at ozai without a foothold as it´s literally impossible for any bender to redirect lightning on air, not even in legend of Korra do we see the feat, a foothold is always necessary because the lightning has a knock back eff on anyone who receives it and to attempt a redirection while keeping flight with other bending active will disturb and prevent the redirection process in it´s entirety as no bender can do anyother bending while redirecting, this is due to the fact they are already overcharged with Chi. Remember Ozai was such a threat every Avatar except Aang immediately went for lethal force in the avatar state, they knew no matter how superior in bending they all were in the avatar state Ozai would always have a win condition with lightning if he hit and it couldnt be redirected even once, the avatar would guaranteedly die, thats a pretty serious threat

[@nicholasmcmahan-watson9405]

Ozai was the one CREATING the fire curtain in the throne room and the rest of the fire in the throne room is all his bending. He is the firebending GOAT.

[@Artryom]

In the words of a wise man… *clears throat* ….. “HE’S THE GOOOAAAT, THE GOOOOOAAATTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” Thank you.

[@sebas8225]

@qbgrindddd Azulon also did the same.

[@coreywigent7693]

People LOVE to downplay Ozai. He truly was a master and the most powerful and skilled firebender alive.

[@alexalexander6223]

yes i 100% agree with this this fandom highly undervalue ozai's power and skill. I'm glad this video clears it up, the only other character i think gets more or equal amount of being underappreciative is Korra herself which is till this day is crazy lol.

[@AntoineBandele]

Don't get me started on Korra...

[@lilbroomstick7032]

korra is incredibly underrated I agree, I think she just faced much harder opponents... which she learns from...

[@Mysticshosh42]

@Lil Broomstick Don't tell that to Korra haters lol

[@avatarmufasa3628]

Far too many Korra haters

[@davesenatus5566]

Probably the worst avatar 😂. I mean she’s good in the sense that she was opposite to aang. Aang started his journey knowing nothing yet became a complete prodigy by learning the elements in less than a year. While korra started with almost all of them yet could only use water and fire effectively.

[@jovemokuryu3048]

Another great video. Yet, even still, I disagree with the assessment that Ozai is a poorly written adversary. He was designed with the specific intention to test Aang's resolve, pushing our pacifistic protagonist far beyond his comfort zone. Aang is a character who believes that, no matter the circimstance, every life is valuable. As such, portraying Ozai as a genocidal, megalomaniacal tyrant is the perfect final antagonist. Unlike Zuko he isn't misguided, nor does he have any redeeming qualities. Unlike Azula he isn't merely a tool for another but is acting with full autonomy. Unalaq, though a cool villain in his own right, is not a foil to Korra in the same way that Ozai is to Aang. With all this being said I believe that Ozai is one of the greatest villains in the series. His impact on the overall verse cannot be understated, even outside of his raw powerscaling. Again, awesome video

[@uberhikari6294]

i dont even consider him a villain, ozai seemed to be a good human being

[@Anthonest1]

@@uberhikari6294 b8

[@Nubin2000]

Ozai is also the result and personification of Fire Nation imperialism. Cold, ruthless, vicious, cruel and ambitious. I think Ozai could be Iroh, Zuko, and Azula together. Zuko and Azula get negative diff if a Firebeinging struggle. Ozai also can dodge Azula lighting and and probably won't use his own in this fight. Iroh is passed his prime even despite his prison training arc. Ozai eventually and quickly overwhelmed him. 3v1 Mid diff in Ozai favor of victory.

[@uberhikari6294]

@@Anthonest1 its true

[@uberhikari6294]

@@Nubin2000 Ozai spared the life of ursa, and the life of that yuyan archer who was hired to kill ikem... Ozai was a pure hearted kind human being, not a evil man.

[@elderliddle2733]

About the sensing feat: Ozai has the greater feat. There are people in the world that can sense storms coming due to pressure changes. My mom had a neck injury and since then experiences severe pain when thunderstorms are coming. It’s never been wrong. Ever. It’s possible that Iroh can sense those pressure changes as well. But that’s not a bending feat. As you pointed out, firebending isn’t outright gone, just weakened. It’s entirely possible that Ozai could still firebend during the eclipse, just not enough to kill with it. If a rank and file soldier is able to make a small puff, imagine what Ozai can do.

[@sebas8225]

I´d argue that his ability to sense the comet and nail his breathing timing with the solstice was crazy as well, everyother firebender was breathing in way after the comet already showed up but ozai did it right when it came it really showed his efficiency as a firebender no mistakes in his bending.

[@colebresnehen38]

Never understood people saying Ozai is poorly written or over the top evil or something. He, as does the rest of his nation, shares the same views of cultural and racial superiority that many real life tyrannical regimes do, like a certain one from Germany, as well as Imperial Japan, which the fire nation is obv based on. Idk how he could be too evil or not nuanced when perhaps his viewpoint and reasoning is more real and scary than we’d like to believe

[@WaterKirby1994]

Ozai's more physically overpowered than real world tyrants, could you imagine if Putin had bending? At least Ozai's position of power has logic behind it being that he was royalty, still plotted his way to a throne, & had physical strength to back up his regime. Reality makes less sense than Fiction, it's like many of them are Long Feng only more successful. From what I understand deception & long history of poor leadership are enduring.

[@beastmaster7372]

i always interpreted Iroh taking multiple deep breaths not as him gathering power but preparing himself mentally to start the fight

[@FranciscoHOS]

It's probably a combination of both, like Antoine said, that amount of fire bending requires a lot of mental strength as well, to be able to concentrate fire together that much.

[@bigbangrafa8435]

Seriously, people thing Ozai is trash? He always felt incredibly powerful to me, not only because of how much people hyped him up but also because the few times he appeared on screen he showed both precision and magnetude in his bending. If losing to THE MOST POWERFUL BEING IN THE PLANET makes you trash than every single being ever defeated by an Avatar is "Sokka Level".

[@AntoineBandele]

Yeah, when folks make flippant remarks about “OzAi LoSt To A cHiLd” i want to roll my eyes so hard.

[@madestmadhatter]

I think it's a reverb thing, the show builds up how mini is he is, so fans start pointing out that there are probably a few who could stand up against him, so other fans start down playing those characters ability, so the now offended fans start to exaggerate how weak he is, so now the other offended fans act attacked and further diminish the ability of others.

[@sebas8225]

He lost a 1 on 1 with the avatar still a better feat than other v8illains.

[@OLu_Bastin]

Can I just add with lightning redirection, I think Ozai's arrogance when observing Aang's redirection attempt was valid. Aang noticeable struggles, I'd say even more than Zuko when redirecting the lightning, which is observable as he audibly reacts somewhat painfully as he strains to contain the energy of the lightning. I think the ability of lightning redirection is possible for most firebenders but as Iroh said, it is still very dangerous and quite difficult especially when dealing with energy output on Ozai's level of magnitude

[@sharxtheguy1383]

I feel like redirecting lightning is more difficult than generating it. Since redirecting requires you to withstand the lightning in your body, instead of charging it up and releasing it

[@sebas8225]

Bingo, on top of it, you need to keep a foothold while dealing with knockback from the lightning and not try anything else while redirecting it. This rule probably even applies to the Avatar state as the chi from the lightning can disrupt the chi from the Avatar state and thus redirecting the lightning with a foothold with no other bending type active is likely a rule even the avatar has to follow unless he/she wants to risk death.

[@chris_kyleartist279]

I think your Channel was the first time I heard the quote from the creators explicitly saying that “Ozai is the most powerful fire bender.” I try to tell people in the fandom that die on the Iroh hill.

[@EaglemaskJayfeather]

I personally pronounce Ozai’s name the same way as you so I don’t understand what is wrong with how you say it

[@AntoineBandele]

🤷🏾‍♂️

[@bodakrainbowztv]

Yes I’m confused too

[@nightingale4786]

it's the same way ron says 'wingardium leviosa' wrong before hermione corrects him: the vowel sounds and accents are correct but the length of the syllables are 'wrong'. it's ohhhhh-zai, not oh-zaaai. tbh it's really no that big of the deal, it's a damn fictional character for crying out loud and it's nowhere near the massacre of pronunciations from that movie that shall not be named lmao.

[@dramaturge231]

@@AntoineBandeleSometimes you put the emphasis on the second syllable instead of the first. :)

[@avatarmufasa3628]

@@nightingale4786 actually funny story in the movie Ron says it correctly when he was meant to say it wrong (rupert grint that is). The actor in the following scene then says both because hes referencing that Hermione corrected him, so we know for a fact this is a film error

[@lordmango6060]

The comparison between Ozai and the two dragons was a bit dicey because in that part of the video you were comparing their raw power against one another. One could only assume how strong those dragons would be under the comet's influence. Other than that though, the video is solid my guy ✊

[@justinmaitland7335]

Due to their culture, Ozai HAS to be the strongest... They have ritual battles built into their society at the highest levels! Uncle Iroh is better balanced, but due to this his powers are spread, not focused. That being said, I think Iroh would win in a fight as the power gap isn't big enough for technique to fail.

[@mastrocecchianimation8815]

I love when you analyze the capabilities of a character in his universe in such detail, I particularly appreciated the part of the control of the firebending from the feet to fly, surely those who took care of the scene wanted to convey just what you said. Ozai is unquestionably really powerful, if only for the fact that it resists for a not so short time to an Aang in the state of the avatar and also enhanced by Sozin's comet. Even thinking that Ozai's firebending is similar to that of Aang in those conditions is more than remarkable. Also with regard to physical qualities the only character with a similar physical resistance I think is Korra in the clash with Zaheer, each of the many falls she makes in the rocky plain would have killed an ordinary human being, but it is still the avatar in the avatar state,so even more points for Ozai

[@CoachChef]

I always knew Ozai Power was crazy, The fear respect others and the fire nation have for him is it just because hes the fire Lord it's because obviously he has immense power which enforces the fear they have for him

[@k.o6157]

Ozai did not redirect lightning zuko would have killed him during the day of black sun part 2

[@cosmicdoggo9296]

If only he aimed up and you know actualy want it to kill him

[@sandro5535]

During the invasion we saw Ozai put a fire at least as great as seven soldiers combined. So his raw power is at least 7 times that of a regular user and combined that with extra agility and tactic. He is a force to be reckoned with. PS What about Jeong Jeongs control of flight? It was pretty impressive too heh?

[@xiphosmaniac]

jon jon is an absolute beast no one talks about it because it doesnt need to be said LOL its one of the known facts

[@sebas8225]

Jeong is probably around or just a bit below Sozin´s level with firebending, Iroh, Azula and Ozai being considerably higher

[@haydeniskander5306]

​@@sebas8225 Jeong Jeong was producing massive fire walls with enough density to push TANKS, while SIMULTANEOUSLY firebending from his FEET. Even without the Comet, he created a massive fire wall in "The Deserter." Not quite on par with Ozai, but certainly in a similar realm of power and control to Iroh, and in my opinion superior to Azula.

[@TheoBrownMusic7]

Best video you've ever done good sir!

[@AntoineBandele]

Aye! Are you the first subscriber to hit Avatar Antoine status!?

[@TheoBrownMusic7]

@@AntoineBandele 🤣🤣

[@easternlights3155]

The best Ozai versus scenario that I've seen is that one poll on tumblr where everyone just agreed that during the eclipse, Hakoda could deck him with one punch.

[@ajinc.6398]

I think Ozai strength is similar to what Iroh would have been in his prime. We can assume Iroh is at least 10-15 years older than Ozai, meaning Iroh was probably capable of the same feats at that age. Interesting to think about.

[@tonymarail6830]

Ozai gets lowballed? I think most just think he is a lame character, but still consider him to be one of the strongest benders.

[@kammitch3131]

I sometimes wish we got to see more of Ozai powers. I like the idea of not showing his skill to the end of the show but man would it be cool to have seen him obliterate a couple ppl in like a flashback or something.

[@MrStefanops]

Despite having seen Katara blood bend, Zuko still thinks Iroh is the only one who could possibly beat Ozai. The Gaang and Iroh don’t even entertain the idea of fighting Ozai without either Aang or Iroh. Not to mention that Iroh is unsure if he could even beat Ozai. Yet everyone is ok with Zuko and Katara taking Azula on their own. Basically, based on the Gaang and Iroh’s estimations: Ozai >/ Iroh > Katara plus Zuko > Azula.

[@avatarmufasa3628]

Katara can only bloodbend full moon and they have a deadline. We also have to consider that Ozai would be heavily guarded and getting to face gim at that time would be a challenge (even without a time limit).

[@texcorps9432]

It's always been weird to me that people think Azula stands a chance. Sozin comet Azula wouldn't even do as good against Base aang whereas Aang absolute needed the avatar state to take on ozai. It seems people just mix up disliking a character with downplaying their power level when it comes to Avatar. Korra more or less gets the same treatment

[@haydeniskander5306]

I think a major factor in Ozai's favor was his precision fire jets giving him AIR SUPERIORITY. Aang is accustomed to being able to outmaneuver opponents, and Ozai's ability to fly during the Comet simply took that away from him.

[@dramaturge231]

Even though dragons are thought of as the original firebenders, colloquially in the show “bender” is used to refer to humans bending the elements. When the people of Republic City felt oppressed by benders, this of course did not include the sky bison on Air Temple Island. Therefore, I don’t think it’s correct to extrapolate that the directors meant Ozai was also more powerful than each of the dragons. He could have been, but I don’t believe they meant to include dragons in that statement. I also don’t believe we have enough examples to say Ozai’s fire is generally stronger, because the dragons weren’t even trying to attack Aang and Zuko, plus it wasn’t during Sozin’s comet. Also, Ozai hasn’t been shown to be able to manipulate the different spectrums of flame color like them. To put out such a variety of energy in the same blast and also not burn Zuko and Aang was a masterful technical feat.

[@xiphosmaniac]

agreed, theres a reason the dragons were hunted to extinction. You make very valid points here that line up with how i thought, but didnt know how to express. The control of the different spectrums of flame, simultaneously, was probably my favorite "Wow" moment with the dragons.

[@FranciscoHOS]

In terms of flame colors, as the masters of fire bending and being the original benders, it makes sense that the Dragons are able to do that as they're probably the most skillful at fire bending. That doesn't take away from Ozai being the most powerful firebender though, regardless if you consider dragons benders or not (even though in the show the animals that started the various types of bending are called the "original benders"). While I do agree that I think that dragons are probably the most skillful fire benders, the fact that they can be captured and hunted (and that the idea of one person, Iroh, as being capable of hunting and killing the last dragon (yes ik he didn't)) probably shows that a fire bender can be more powerful than a dragon at fire bending. That doesn't takeaway from the skillfulness and power of dragons either, because it would require an extremely powerful fire bender to be compared to a dragon (like with Ozai).

[@Rjlamar-yr3pt]

Learning by the dragons doesn't matter much Look at azula.Ozai.Jeong jeong and look at zuko and iroh

[@ChiadikaobiExcellent]

​@@Rjlamar-yr3ptexactly it's just philosophy.

[@justinmendoza3150]

I always thought Fire Lord Ozai wasn't only the most powerful "Fire Bender" but the most powerful overall bender in the entire show. Hence, why the world hoped the Avatar could return because only a fully realized Avatar could defeat him. I also believe Aang would have lost to Fire Lord Ozai had it not been for the Avatar State despite having 3 additional elements and being a master airbender

[@idminister]

Something that was soo dumb regarding the lightning bending in korra... 1)that it has become soo common, in AtLA it was not presented as a secret technique but as a high level one. 2) as someone who has studied electrical power generation; using lightning bolts is a terrible and weak method to generate electrical power. far better would be earth/metal/water bending on a rotor-stator setup

[@AntoineBandele]

This would be my response to you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHjQfqiwbN99mNU

[@Infrared-nyne]

Crazy how this video made Ozai suddenly one of my favorite villains in all of my childhood. I have a whole new appreciation for him now

[@jadeGooders42]

I definitely believe the fire nation kept the advanced op techniques for the royal family, lightning is unheard of but in Korra it’s common. Ozai was on x games mode

[@sebas8225]

But even in Korra we dont see blue flames or Dual lightning so yeah there´s that. I imagine lightning got widespread due to the need for electricity and metalbending demand, firebenders needed lightning as a way to compete with metalbender demand. Maybe Azula widespread lightning teachings?

[@Magneekic]

Wdym you don’t say Ozai weird? That’s how they say it in the snow lol

[@AntoineBandele]

For years I've been told I say his name weird LOL

[@god_complexx]

@@AntoineBandele I think it’s because you have a little pause in between o and zai

[@charliespurr7325]

You will learn respect, and suffering will be your teacher.

[@elliegrace6410]

I think the reason people underestimate Ozai is because they underestimate Aang. Azula basically defeated Aang, and Aang defeated Ozai, therefore Azula can defeat Ozai. Something along that line of thinking. They don't realize how much growth Aang went through (he couldn't even properly firebend at that point) and how crazy powerful he became once he could control the Avatar state. I can't wait for the movie in 2024 which shows him as an adult because then we'll get to see him at his peak.

[@AntoineBandele]

Transitive property without context does not work. For instance, without context, this does not make sense: Dooku > Obi > Anakin > Dooku > etc. Plus your use of ABC logic is quite poor when you are using Prime Obi-Wan and Old Obi-Wan as your foundation.

[@avatarmufasa3628]

@@AntoineBandele I just ask about Rock paper scissors. Sometimes people have just better matchups against different things, with different tradeoffs. With something simple lime top speed, transitive properties work but with a complicated state of affairs, its only a factor

[@elliegrace6410]

@@gunchar06 Exactly my point. It doesn't make sense.

[@elliegrace6410]

@@AntoineBandele I'm saying the people who think like this are wrong. I just think people who have only watched the series once might have this line of subconscious thinking.

[@coop7008]

Azula wasn’t stronger than Aang, it was just a bad matchup for him due to how their personalities clashed. Aang is a pacifist, Azula is a ruthless killer. You hardly ever see Aang really go on the offensive, and that’s a bad strategy to employ against someone like Azula.

[@MrStefanops]

Great video! Couldn’t agree more. Ozai is very underrated and still is the most powerful nonavatar state fire bender

[@matthewpletsch7523]

So... It's weird that people think he's weak. The Fire Nation has a huge emphasis on power, with Benders literally being the upper class. Ozai wouldn't be sat on his throne if he couldn't handle himself.

[@Jacob-ABCXYZ]

"Can intimately feel his firebending power in his soul" that must have hurt after losing it

[@alsims2007]

I never thought ozai was weak. He's definitely the strongest fire bender outside of iroh. I always put them on par with each other, maybe I'll watch the old video to see if there is evidence it should swing towards Ozai. I still think peak iroh is stronger than peak Ozai. We are introduced to Iroh after his peak. Training in a jail cell for a couple months is not his peak and at that level he isn't sure he could beat Ozai implying there was a possibility he could

[@n1wakeboarder42]

Cool video, thanks for making this. Also your pronunciation of Ozai is fine

[@rarerelent]

Ozai really wouldve been outta here without plot armor😂

[@MasterSonicKnight]

Lemme add one fact to all of that from what i remember, no fire bender, including Ozai, are able to fly without the power from Sozin's comet, which just further proves how extremely talented he is naturally and absurdly disciplined to be able to do all of those extremely precise maneuvers on the air, keeping up with someone who's literally spent his entire life floating around from place to place. Ozai flies around as if he's been practicing for decades, but that's his literal first and only try at it.

[@coreywigent7693]

Well I think he must of had some training flying with his firebending. Azula briefly flew with her firebending during the boiling rock episode to get to the gondola

[@sebas8225]

Not only that but he can fly on two feet and charge lightning at the same time, not even Avatars are shown to be able to replicate the feat.

[@sebas8225]

@@coreywigent7693 Azula has higher temperature blue flames to do it, the fact Ozai is doing it with orange flames when he has a higher size is more impressive.

[@Snake_Editzz267]

4:47 Call me crazy, but the movements of Ozai's mouth here matched what Antione was saying.

[@Londronable]

Iroh was NEVER going to answer yes on whether he could beat him because of the reasons he explained the minute after. Even if he could he would never say so in that moment. This does't mean Iroh could beat him, but it's also not an argument against it imo.

[@madestmadhatter]

Thank you!

[@firstnamelastname9237]

That’s not necessarily true. He could refuse, without saying he might lose.

[@thescrambles617]

I haven't read the blog or watched the video too long after 8:38. Ima have to disagree with you there. Fire lord Azulon had just died while Iroh was out of the country; making it easy for Ozai to take the throne. Iroh didn't bother to fight with Ozai with one of the main reasons being that his will had been broken and he'd been grieving over the death of his son during the siege of Ba Sing Se. Having the title of fire lord in this context doesn't necessarily mean that Ozai is stronger.

[@pwndulquiorra]

In general, I only have two real criticisms of the argumentation in this video. Both of them are minor but because I'm ultra pedantic I'm going to mention them anyway. The first is the idea that Ozai didn't think he was in much danger with Zuko. Now, I might be wrong but the way I remember that scene going down, Zuko had made it clear that his intention was not to actually kill Ozai, simply to be heard and to leave without being pursued. So if Ozai didn't think he was in much danger, that might've had something to do with it. The other thing is with Iroh's quote on whether or not he could beat Ozai. The full quote is as follows: "Even if I could defeat my brother, and I don't know that I could, it would be remembered by the world as a brother killing another brother for power." In other words at least part of Iroh's apprehension toward fighting Ozai was in how meaningless the battle would be. He doesn't fully dismiss the idea that he could beat Ozai but he does dismiss the idea that the fight itself would accomplish anything even if he won. Personally, I don't even think Iroh is stronger than Ozai, I think they're more or less in the same tier in terms of skill and general ability, Ozai just has youth and condition on his side since Iroh is much older and spent a lot more of his time being Zuko's parent. Dad bod is a very real thing for a very real reason, that's all I'm saying.

[@justinanderson2460]

Absolutely agree. I've felt this way since I first watched the series all the way back when it was first released. I've always loved that youre one of the people who gives Ozai the respect he deserves and while I was a aware of a lot of this, some is new to me so I thank you for the new debating ammunition. Ozai is the most powerful Fire Bender in the verse and arguably the most skilled as well.

[@FranciscoHOS]

I definitely agree that in terms of lightning manipulation, redirecting lightning is probably the easiest to do. Creating and attacking with lightning requires the actual creation of the lightning itself, and then directing that lightning outwards. Redirecting is just taking in already present lightning and changing its direction.

[@bubblegum8959]

I think their biggest mistake with Ozai was season 3 for the first 2 seasons we only heard his voice and everyone was talking about how scary he was in season 3 they should've played into that a little more the second they showed his face that's when they should've shown him kill someone infront of us or showed his skill and showed his intelligence more or even show his skill in a "training exercise" against Zuko or Azula something like that where when we go into the fight we know oh shit this guy might be the best firebender in the world and not only that he gets this insane boost from a comet oh shiiit

[@daraghokane4236]

He doesn't actually need a feat like that he's king controls strongest military on earth, that's enough. He looks like a normal guy that was the point

[@bubblegum8959]

@@daraghokane4236 if it was enough people wouldn't think he was a pushover and that Azula a 17 year old girl could beat him

[@daraghokane4236]

@@bubblegum8959 it straight up wouldn't matter if the fire lord was bed ridden and paralysed he's still strongest man king strongest army and strongest economy, I could beat hittler and any king with a gun or a rock if I someone get to face them one on one with nobody around

[@daraghokane4236]

@@bubblegum8959 technical every abel bodied person in the fire nation could potentially kill him he's not bullet proof or poison proof. But none of them want to turn on there king

[@daraghokane4236]

@@bubblegum8959 here is how he could kill his daughter say I fire lord say my daughter is a enemy of the fire nation. Or kill her on her sleep

[@speedyflames7106]

Have you ever done Zaheer vs Ozai? Couple be an interesting matchup since both are some of the most skilled in their respective element, and both can essentially fly

[@sebas8225]

Zaheer loses if Ozai hits him once with lightning during the comet or without, outside of that, Zaheer has good winning conditions outside of comet against just avg firebender Ozai because his flight is way impaired.

[@CalvinBloopers]

“ITS JUST DRAMA.” Every power scaler needs to here that

[@AntoineBandele]

Yeah... and that's when I don't really get down with those type of debaters. When they take what happens on screen TOO literally.

[@CalvinBloopers]

@@AntoineBandele IKR. I like you mentioned Ozai’s creator comments, and people are still like, “No, Iroh.” Lol I’d be interested in seeing old Fire Lord Zuko vs Iroh. With and without Zuko’s dragon.

[@TheJedaiHero9000]

Happy New Year's, Antoine Looking forward towards your content here this year

[@Ledecral]

Ozai was always meant to be a force of nature villain. Some saw him only as the final obstacle, but he’s the one who banished Zuko, made Zhao an admiral, created Azula, and with him being the head of the military, it’s assumed every threat they faced from the Fire Nation came from Ozai. He was the eye of the storm, but as said before, it could have been better conveyed.

[@sebas8225]

He kinda was wasnt he? Making straight real life Storm lightning bolts, throwing huge ass comet like projectiles, huge ass flames, etc... he was a monster.

[@Disco_Man_Doopop_Doubly]

『 THEY NEEDA QUIT PLAYING WITH HIM, MY GOAT 😤✋🏾🔥 』

[@arturo435]

The problem with Ozai is that we barely see him throughout the show, and the two times we see him in confrontation, he doesn't come out on top (Zuko during the eclipse and Aang at the end)

[@trevinodude]

True enough, but it’s like people forget the context of the two confrontations. When Zuko redirected Ozai’s double lightning (with lots of difficulty, I might add), Ozai had yet to see redirection in action. He looked so surprised, implying that Azula never told him that Iroh knew how to redirect lightning, or if she did… he never expected Zuko to be able to do such a thing since he always struggled in firebending when compared to Azula. Zuko also left pretty quickly afterwards, as if he knew that once Ozai’s bending fully returned he’d stand no chance against his father. As for Aang, the Avatar is the most powerful being in the whole verse… especially after one achieves the 4 elements Avatar State. However, before Aang achieves this transformation, Ozai definitely had Aang fighting on the back foot. Even with three other elements at Aang’s disposal… he had struggled to do any damage that mattered in his base form. Ozai was just that dude, but considering the fact we never saw him in his element against a strong opponent, people tend to forget how insanely well he performed in his short scenes of conflict.

[@Rjlamar-yr3pt]

We don't see iroh.Jeong Jeong. Pakku fight anyone other than fodder and Iroh only has hype.

[@sebas8225]

@@trevinodude I truly believe Ozai´s defeat was when he stopped using lightning altogether, because Lightning redirection requires a foothold and disabling all other active bending (happened so far with everyother character including LoK), and it´s comet amped it´s unlikely that even in Avatar State Aang would´ve succeeded in redirecting it while in flight, this is likely why all avatars except Aang got seriously going to the kill on Ozai because they knew no matter how powerful the avatar state could be Ozai would always be one lightning away from killing them even with the sphere, this is a great threat level feat as Kyoshi didnt even Recognize Chin as a threat worth putting down right away and instead gave him a choice to back down, not with Ozai tho!

[@_Asleep_]

Who lowballed ozai he's literally the entire plot point to stop. Man was oozing powerful energy before his face was even revealed. That's crazy to me.

[@lam7207]

11:16 ATLA has Novelizations???? I've been an Avatar Fan since 6th grade and I feel so stupid for not knowing it had novels....

[@lam7207]

@Wes Bradley-Taubner Oooo I'll be sure to keep it in mind! Oh btw just a question about the Book 3 Novel shown in the video, do you know where can I find them? Sorry if this seems like a dumb question.

[@AntoineBandele]

Here you go! www.amazon.com/Sozins-Comet-Final-Battle-Avatar/dp/1416958274/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3N9U30PSF9RAR&keywords=Avatar%3A+The+Last+Airbender+-+Sozin%27s+Comet%3A+The+Final+Battle&qid=1672630362&sprefix=%2Caps%2C299&sr=8-1

[@lam7207]

@@AntoineBandele Thank you so much!

[@o26kaichu20]

Amazing video. Even though I didn't know this was an ongoing argument, I enjoyed every moment of it, and all my respect to OP for the work and for letting you adapt it! I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people want Iroh to be stronger than Ozai, but this change would miss half the point of their narrative and rivalry. Like half of the reason Ozai wanted to yank the throne from Iroh was because he felt he was not only more skilled, but a more dedicated student. And quite frankly he was right! He was also willing to go waaay further for power than Iroh ever would have and THAT'S THE POINT. He sought power to the extent that it cost him his humanity and neay cost his children the same. Iroh ALMOST went down that path, but his repentance is WHY we adore him. ANYWAY with all that said, I love a good deep-dive & there are definitely points here I never even considered so. Amazing watch -- keep up the good work, both of you!

[@vanillasalt8284]

There is a pretty good scene in the book 2 episode “the chase” that shows why Iroh would lose. When Azula strikes Iroh with lightning he goes down and becomes unconscious and injured for some time until nursed back to health by Zuko. In day of the black sun, Zuko redirects Ozai’s own much deadlier lightning right back at him. Yet when struck by his much deadlier lightning, Ozai doesn’t go down instead he seems pretty stable and instead just looks pissed off as watches through the fire to see Zuko gone. Ozai is much more durable and can handle being injured by powerful attacks such as lightning much better than Iroh

[@KamakiriTsume]

This is why people hate the Death Battle community. "Iroh said he can't beat Ozai." No, Iroh said "I don't know" He also says like a second later "The Avatar has to do it, because balance." Who is probably more in tune with Balance then the Avatar is. Iroh was seeing the spirit world before Aang knew how to enter the spirit world. Ether you're the troll, or you're not acting in good faith.

[@abrahamedelstein4806]

0:42 You might think so but you're wrong. Ozai is strong, but he isn't stronger than Iroh, neither is Iroh necessarily stronger than Ozai, it's deliberately left vague. Zuko seems to think Iroh is stronger and Iroh said he didn't know if he could, but what's Iroh really saying in that situation, he is trying to get it through Zuko's head that it's Aang's fight and since it's not his fight they should not gamble on it. Actually, add that to my nitpicks with the Finale and why Katara and Zuko should have been with the main Gaang taking down the Air fleet, Iroh could have made the case that fighting his brother, he would have been fighting with one arm tied around his back, but the implications are muted by the fact that Iroh then sends Zuko to fight his sister.

[@nicolasdizon3116]

the thing with redirection is it can kill you if you do it wrong

[@AntoineBandele]

Exactly. It’s dangerous to play with. But it is not the same a generating lightning “from scratch.”

[@sebas8225]

@@AntoineBandele Yeah but you need a foothold (or it´ll fail like Zuko showed when jumping to protect Katara) and to not bend anything else while redirecting it, meanwhile you can generate Lightning in flight with propelling as Ozai shown. Redirecting is easier if you meet the right conditions, but Generating is better if you use it right.

[@Frankmejor]

I think there is evidence to confirm your point about lightening redirection being an easier technique than creating it….. when we first learn of the technique Iroh teaches it to Zuko after Zuko failed to create lightening

[@AntoineBandele]

I stand by it until I see otherwise.

[@isaiahcaston4539]

I agree with most everything except the idea that redirection is easier. You're controlling a vast amount of energy in a short amount of time, you have to guide it through your body, which is still controlling it to an effect, all the while keeping your wits about you and staying calm. Lightning seems more like a reflex at a certain whereas redirection takes constant focus and technique. Any joe-schmoe can shoot lightning once he learns it, but even in Korras time, the redirection skill is only seen in Mako, who isn't even related to Zuko.

[@Kingshit69]

Ive always felt like one of the biggest downsides of ATLA was characters like Kuruk and Ozai look like jokes and are mocked by the vast majority of the fandom that dont even know about the extra material

[@deinsilverdrac8695]

Ozai is not stronger than a dragon. The logic is stupid People hunt lion, elephant, grizzly and tigers. That doesn't mean that those people are stronger. Only that they use weapon and some tactic and traps to kill the animal Same here. A firebender will probably not go alone naked in a dragon cave to kill one. They will use weapon and all tactics they can

[@ryanratchford2530]

I can’t believe this is even a thing

[@SharkyShocker]

I think that it's foolish to say power matters the most in a bending fight. I don't think most people would agree that "The air bender that can make the most powerful blasts will be the winner". Physical fighting capabilities and style often matter more. I don't doubt for a second that Ozai with soldier level fire bending would still demolish most opponents using technique and skill.

[@kylechu4115]

In 22:52 it looks as if Iroh is indeed welding two different lightning bolts.

[@nematoad]

I don’t think Azula or Zuko being scared to face Ozai really means much. For one It’s they’re father, and two they are still young while Ozai is fully grown man with way more years of experience. Regardless of me disagreeing on those two points great vid. More long form videos like this would be nice 👍

[@bomonyongokon9335]

Ozai was afraid of his father too

[@ericschuller908]

My mother is a huge fan of Avatar and she loved this video analysis.

[@jokaman03]

I'm not sure if it has been stated anywhere, but could Ozai have learned firebending from the dragons? I always liked his calm and calculated demeanor, but as calm as he has to be and as precise as he is, I wonder if he may have learned from them. He is manipulative so it is possible that he could have deceived the dragons. The fact that he is so intune with firebending and his chi makes me wonder this.

[@AntoineBandele]

I think it's actually more impressive if he never met or learned from the dragons. That would mean all his skill and technique is all his own.

[@bruh6778]

ozai is just that angry. the reason he was so ruthless against aang was because he was mad that aang was finessing him

[@Kostas_Dikefalaios]

You think they would think of him as being worthy bro?

[@cosmicdoggo9296]

Nah dragons can read you and you cant lie to them they would know his true nature

[@BlaxkSun]

21:21 right here, Ozai literally knows the moment a small part of the sun is exposed. In a chamber, UNDERGROUND!!!

[@Noob-bn6my]

Thanks! For the new avatar video ❤❤

[@AzazelTheMisanthrope]

Glad to see that you have continued producing content since the Darth Maul video.

[@jigglebiggle2799]

As soon as you said ozai could beat iroh I left

[@AntoineBandele]

Tough pill to swallow for an Iroh stan, I know.

[@tonymarail6830]

But Iroh himself said that too.

[@AndreaRupanSansei]

Great video and interesting analysis. I'd say I agree on almost everything, except the fact that lighting redirection is an easier feat than lighting generation. Here's why: yes, lightning generation is considered a highly advanced firebending technique, and a potentially lethal one, but in the end it's "just" peak firebending. Whereas lighting redirection is a custom technique invented from scratch by Iroh during his enlightenment journey, mixing firebending with waterbending philosophy, and a technique seldom seen even from that moment on. I hate bringing Legend of Korra in, because in my opinion it has ruined the flavor and the uniqueness of it, but it's a fact that in the show lighting generation is used by commoners in factories, that means its bases can't be too impossible to grasp. Lighting redirection is always a rarer form, and the fact that it derives from two bendings combined in my opinion makes it a more difficult technique to learn overall. What do you guys think?

[@PhirePhlame]

My opinion on the ease of generating vs redirection is that it's complicated. Sure, it's a simpler task to redirect a bolt of energy instead of separating positive and negative into separate pools and controlling them, but at the same time redirection is the only one of the two that requires you to take the force of an oncoming lightning bolt. Real-world lightning strikes with enough force to shatter wood, to put that into perspective.

[@TheLegend25011]

Ozai is more powerful but iroh has adapted to different techniques

[@Balrog-tf3bg]

The biggest thing for me with Ozai was the reveal. He was… just some guy

[@adamtremblay9126]

I understood the underestimating of Ozai from the vs vid, but I like the exacts in this vid. Now that we have a more clear picture on Ozai's strength, I'm interested in seeing some more versus's with him, like him against P'li, Korra, or even someone like Obiwan would be sick, since Obiwan is not immensely talented with the force, tho maybe a master of the force like him would nonetheless stomp master benders, idk. I wonder how fire would work against the force, if there could be a supernatural ability tug of war, or whatever u want to call it, like with the force when Anikan and Obiwan blast each other, or if the force would go straight thro fire.

[@rowanturner5920]

I definitely would say that azula had far more potential than ozai and is more talented

[@tonymarail6830]

Probably, but we will probably never see her in as old as Ozai was.

[@qb6570]

Iroh was definitely displaying humility....and his answer came off as 50/50 NOT a definite lost. Furthermore iroh is in his mid 50s for Pete's sake..the fact that there's even a toss up on him vs Ozai is impressive!

[@matthewbaba9804]

I feel like you made some good points but there is no way ozai beats Iroh

[@sebas8225]

Depends, Ozai knows Iroh can redirect his lightning after zuko´s feat, so yeah, Iroh could get killed.

[@giansabbadini1626]

Ozai was meant to be shown as the peak firebender of his time by the show. Bozh iroh and Azula had the ability to generate lightning, the true most pure form of fire bending, but even them needed time to separate and channel the energy and could shoot it using just one hand. Meanwhile in the day of the black sun, Sozin is able to dual wield lightning, channeling it in less than a second and with barely any sun showing behind the eclipse. That comparison was meant to show us how strong he actually is in a way we still don't know the full extent of his capabilities.