You can't go Prone in a Chest Rig?

[@SilverShamrockNovelties]

I think the misconception comes from the booger-eaters who wear their chest rig on their stomach instead of their chest.

[@SilverShamrockNovelties]

Your issued interceptor ESAPI plates also didn’t offer any protection against direct fire to your head and shoulders when you were in the prone. But that’s not what the conversation is about.

[@ironwoodworkman4917]

Not really, they make offset sights, for a reason and when you are using them you will be low with cover like a trench or behind a stump. Please call me a booger eater, Better than dead because you have no experience or have a low IQ. BTW I am not saying he is wrong in this video, About finding cover. Just saying, this guy has not slugged it out in the trenches of Ukraine and I am sure he could learn a lot. Heck, I hope, I do not become a know it all. I think they call that death or something.

[@gunfighterman1-5]

Or they're just plain FAT

[@SilverShamrockNovelties]

@AboveAverageMan97not to be argumentative, but none of those are rifle rated.

[@skydivingcomrade1648]

They have a stomach that won't let them get prone

[@trava4156]

“Suppression without movement is a waste of ammunition. Movement without suppression, is suicide.” OEF USMC VET

[@Pouk3D]

Damn.

[@Leothelion357]

100%🫡

[@Rebelcry]

Me too

[@rednecksniper4715]

Put that shit on a tshirt

[@sgtmac110]

Set piece, move piece. Repeat until you are on the other side of the objective.

[@SavageAirguns]

Lol, you know how much crap they strapped on me as a Grunt SAW gunner? 600 rounds on my molle gear, 2 grenades, a squad radio, a signal jammer on one shoulder, an extra barrel over my other shoulder, backpack with camelback and 2 100 round patrol pouches, flare pen, personal sony video camera, helmet, eye pro, I was also a combat lifesaver so I had a giant buttpack full of medical supplies, bullet proof vest with front/back/side plates, groin protector, throat protector, flexy cuffs, and anything mission dependent. I still could get down in prone and shoot. In fact, I love when they posted me on a corner or in a compound so my heavy geared ass could lay down and take the weight off my shoulders.

[@GruntProof]

Boom

[@wes11bravo]

Ugh, I used to hate humping that stupid green vinyl spare barrel bag.

[@Mstr.Nobody]

With all that crap on, getting into prone was probably looked forward too, dayyym!!

[@SavageAirguns]

@@Mstr.Nobody They say get in the prone... I'd thank God.

[@torstenzeeb6176]

I was lucky to have a M151A2 jeep with TOW mounted on and ammo jeep in my days, until we had to pretend that our vehicles got blown up. So we hoofed it like a grunt, plus training in Panama's jungle.We did not have all that stuff like todays army have. ( 9th Infantry Division 1980-83) Peace and love to you brothers of arms!

[@asmith7876]

l'll never forget the Drill Sergeant stepping on my head during Basic to teach me to "keep my head down" while low-crawling 🤣🤣🤣.

[@CarlosIowa]

I had the same drill sgt?

[@flopus7]

Age old battle between people who have never done it vs people who think they'll be fighting a conventional war with a country backing them

[@behindthespotlight7983]

Amen. It’s mid-April 2024 and I can’t get the typical mc’merican man to read a 300 page book to better understand the train wreck that’s coming right at us. Everyone thinks there’s this “guerrilla war” right around the corner and there well may be. But most people need to start with “I need to drop 40 pounds and be able to jog a mile”

[@EverGlorious22nd168]

​​@behindthespotlight7983 Shame dense attitude here in Britain except here, they won't listen to former infantryman on how to set up militias, etc. Let's just say, it'll be their funeral if they don't listen and learn.

[@roycehuepers4325]

​@behindthespotlight7983 agree on the weight, but honestly, walking for miles with some 500 yard dashes is more realistic in many part of the US... at least here in my area of central Texas.

[@flopus7]

@@roycehuepers4325 you're not supposed to run down linear danger areas. Cheers from the heart of texas

[@nadaniceguy-]

@@flopus7 Yes you are. You are not supposed to do standard infantry movements down linear paths but if you come across one and need to cross it, you need to run across it. Atleast this is what I was trained to do in the USMC.

[@AZMarine513]

I enjoy your presentation of the material. Straight forward, simple and without the typical "operator" attitude we see on many channels. If you were this patient and clear in instruction in the Army, you were likely a very good leader. Semper Fi from an old Marine.

[@126.Seconds]

🙏🏻

[@Steven-js8yk]

My belly has been keeping me from getting down into the prone for the past 2 decades, never-mind a "chest rig".

[@gunfighterman1-5]

TRUTH. I was once up to 238 and suffered from the same thing but now I'm down to a lean, mean, fighting machine 190 lbs. Getting prone in full battle rattle is no prob now.

[@gunfighterman1-5]

Then get to the gym and clean up your diet. It worked for me. I was up to 238 just 8 wks ago and now I'm down to 190 today just by eating quality meats, fish and lots of veggies(low carb) plus intermittent fasting. I hit the gym 2-3x a wk or just walk briskly a few x a wk. Simple. On my "off" days I don't just lay around I make them active days by taking my two German Shepherds out for a hike. 10K steps !

[@runningman1156]

😂😂

[@gunfighterman1-5]

@@runningman1156 funny, really ?

[@Uncle_Jacob]

If anything, the chest rig will just even everything out. LoL

[@kristynchuckhenderson3158]

A 200lb grunt in LBE with an M60 can completely find cover behind a rock the size of a basketball if properly motivated. A ZSU23-4 can provide that motivation. Verified.

[@jojosans5849]

nah fam, that zsu would vaporize him.

[@petervitkov361]

Wait a minute... isn't the ZSU23-D a quad-barrelled, self-propelled anti-aircraft gun? What maniacs use it to shoot at grunts on foot? And even if they wanted to, as far as I know, the ZSU23-D can't aim its barrels anywhere below...straight on. Though I guess if it's parked on an angled slope, that becomes a problem...

[@Tank50us]

@@petervitkov361 The Shilka absolutely can depress the barrels. Not by much mind you, it is a Russian vehicle after all, but it can do it. Also, yes, it has been employed in an anti-infantry/light armor role. During their stay in Afghanistan, the Soviets realized there weren't any planes for their Shilkas to shoot at, but plenty of tall cliffsides and structures that Insurgents love to be on top of. So, they took the radars off, and started pairing these "Asghan" Shilkas with their APC/IFV patrols to specifically deal with those hostiles. 4x 23mm autocannons are going to make one heck of a mess of some dude with an RPG that's a little slow on the trigger.

[@pliskenx51mm83]

@@petervitkov361 I've seen them used in street battles in Syria in Gopro footage. Let us also not forget Russia also now has a fighting vehicle that has dual 23mm cannons. Its literally called the Terminator and they built it specifically to fight infantry and other IFVs.

[@fishyfish6050]

​@@petervitkov361 The Russians used them that way in afghanistan and against the chechens during both of the wars

[@0311-B]

I joined in 1995 and retired in 2018….as an 0311 and later 0321. Our gear changed as time went on with the environment. I started off with an LBV/LBE to Molle/IBA to a heavy plate carrier to a slimmed down plate carrier and a battle belt. The amount of equipment never changed just how we carried it did. I’m up they see me…I’m down hasn’t changed since rifles and the soldier’s shooting became accurate.

[@robdavidson4945]

I was 0341 in 1975 - 1977. We were issued the old flak jacket then they loaded us up with lots of ammo and because we were mortars add base plate or tripod or the tube and other stuff. Going prone then getting up to run beat you to death. I glad to see that the powers that be got you younger Grunts lighter gear. The down side is that it appears they also loaded you up with more stuff so your combat load looks about the same weight or more. Embrace the suck. Semper Fi.

[@smitty2821]

Every pound saved in gear is a pound to add ammunition or water. There is no weight reduction.

[@dramspringfeald]

"why are you in an open field?" Cause the nearest tree or hill is 7 miles out

[@dramspringfeald]

Actual update, the county just as of yesterday removed all the trees on our road.

[@Toactwithoutthinking]

Thats a question you should ponder and not snap back at.

[@joshua.pinon.]

Wya? Southwestern kansas?

[@dramspringfeald]

@@joshua.pinon. high desert plains.

[@IamsavedbyGodsgrace]

New Mexico for ya..except the mountains. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 6:23

[@recon1986]

The only way you conduct "I'm up, they see me, I'm down" is if you have superior suppressive fire lol. Facts!

[@TheAwesomeArtofWar]

Gotta love Keyboardwarriors. Never stepped foot in a combat zone, never signed up for the military, but are more qualified in everything they saw a Video on once.

[@Tank50us]

Funny enough, there are plenty of people who see these things in KZbin, and go "I'm gonna try that on the Airsoft/paintball field!"... they end the day covered in either welts or paint going "Yeah... that was stupid."

[@TheAwesomeArtofWar]

@@Tank50us It gets even worse. At least in my area. Some of these geniuses think THEY know better which type of gear operators wear. The so called "Battledisplayers". This would be fine, if they weren't toxically attacking other people and active service members, telling them "You're wrong". Saw this plenty of times. Some dumbfuck telling me what my comrades in the SOF I served on base with wore. I couldn't tell them WHAT they actually wear of course. They wouldn't have believed me anyway, but the threat of spilling state secrets was greater to begin with. Oh well. Can't win them all.

[@Tank50us]

@mightymqb4800 yup. Because doing so means more time shooting, and less time walking back to respawn

[@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093]

Gotta love the "vets" who barely fought vastly overmatched goat herders who had basic 60 year old small arms and think they've been in "combat."

[@robertlarsen6516]

. Blessed Easter, gents.

[@126.Seconds]

🙏🏻

[@Kinetic.44]

The origin and definition of things is where the truth is. Catholic is not Christian it is a blending of pagan abominations by Constantine. Easter is the pronunciation of Ishtar and sunrise worship is in honor of Baal. Easter is pagan. The eggs were originally dyed with 3 month old baby blood by the priests of Easter, from their sacrifice to Ishtar/Ashtarte the tree/star fertility goddess, mother of all harlots/idolatry

[@Kinetic.44]

Easter is pagan

[@voidstrider4106]

​@@Kinetic.44history is hard. Short answer:no. Eostre is a time of month like Jul. The Christian holiday predates contact with Germanic pagans. It does take place during the month of eostre. People who actually claim to be neo pagan generally know this

[@treacyinks2436]

I've been yelling this to most people that I train with, fundamentals first, know your basic infantry skills and of movement, concilment, Cover!, and tactics...everybody who hadn't served in 11brovo or type units think spec ops tactics equates to superior survivability,3To 5 sec ,and get the hell off the danger ao...anywhos love your channel hope you push more wisdom out to the REMF.Airborne.

[@boblaidlow8931]

Back in 2002, we were taught the “high crawl” and “low crawl”. GP demonstrated both in this video. I think the US Army took what Carlos Hathcock, the famous sniper, did in Vietnam, (low crawling into enemy lines, shooting then low crawling back undetected over 3 days) and the US Army thought, “Good idea. We’ll teach this tactic to every infantryman.” GP said in earlier comment, “context matters”. I would say low crawl only works if the enemy is not looking for you. If they know you are there, you need to be doing a different tactic, [pointing your weapon]. Also, MAC-V SOG guys practiced hip firing. They noticed that first soldier to fire on target won. So they practiced hip firing with BB guns until they could shoot quarters at like 10’. Then they switch to their combat rifles. They said that “trick shot school” took about a week. Lessons learned and forgotten.

[@thinkfirst6431]

First part of nam in basic the Army used BB guns and metal disks to teach point and shoot. The problem was it was a skill that took more time to develop than was allowed not that it was a bad idea.

[@mikehendricks2933]

EXCELLENT real world Advice! Don't let yourself get in DANGER AREAS to begin with! There are BETTER METHODS to approach these field problems. USE YOUR HEAD AND THINK!

[@126.Seconds]

👌

[@GLEN1061]

Yes, like "why are we even doing this"?

[@williammecham7038]

My old ass cant get into the prone position without a chest rig and if I manage to fall into the prone position that's where I'll stay . I've fallen and I can't get up 🤣

[@cal5566]

I was one of the commentators that asked for your perspective on this very topic and you delivered, kudos.

[@markthomas1810]

I saw first hand how easily a small amount of movement could be helpful... I had a combatant 40 yards out and by the time I switched off the safety and pressed the trigger, he had taken his left foot and moved it to the rear, essentially, becoming a third of the original size toward me... As I fired three quick shots I saw sparks from the metal pickets that were downrange behind him... The last round I got off seemed to also mis the intended target..( but this one was at a full profile, still moving away ). It was like what the f just happened... Later I found the fourth shot went through his side and his fore arm leaving him unable to grip a fire arm again... The big take away for me though was how easily a small amount of movement could keep incoming rounds from hitting the target... and at a very close distance. This might be way out there but, I believe that if caught in the open I would rather " Range walk " and try to put effective fire on the location that I was receiving fire from... Nothing works better to stop someone from shooting at you, than accurate fire, and nothing works better to avoid incoming fire than movement... If I lay on the ground I'm just a target... If I'm walking brickly and sending accurate fire I'm a threat and dangerous...!

[@wonderfulunicornqueen4603]

Stand fast for freedom

[@Crittek]

According to KZbin it seems like people suggest the following: No plate carrier, no chest rig, no belts, no backpack, no sidearm. Apparently we should all run a rifle in a sling damn near naked with maybe another mag in your back pocket.

[@DavidBrown-wo9ip]

I think it’s cool that it’s over 34 years since I was in, and still understood everything you were saying. The summer of ‘88 I’m in Germany. I’m my platoon leaders RTO, carrying a PRC-77. LT decides he “needs more organic firepower at his disposal,” (he was a former high school history teacher, that’s how he talked). So he decides that I’ll also carry one of the first Gen M249’s, as well. Every time I went prone the radio would push up on the back of my helmet, making it so that I’d have to raise my eyeballs up so high, that my pupils would have looked like they were at the highest point just under the top of my eye socket. To make matters worse was I was in shape, but never built for speed, but I was able to hang. I kind of felt like the LT hung an extra target on me, daring some Russian or East German sniper to earn a twofer.😎✌️

[@latigomorgan]

I was in Germany in that same time frame. Got out in March of '88. My 1st gen SAW had a serial number in the 400's. It wound up bent around a tree and I was given a brand new M60 to replace it. Even as a 60 gunner, they'd load us down with crap. Assistant gunner? What's that?

[@geronimo5537]

You have never fired in the prone position until you have fired an ak sideways aiming off the charging handle.

[@kursantstrzelecki2958]

The good old "I just realized how I wanted to hug Mother Earth" moment.

[@fireemblemistrash75]

This. Those ak mags suck shooting prone

[@williamneal7210]

Lesson from Ukraine: Don't go prone in front of a drone.

[@znovu_oleksiy]

Judging by the amount of ukrainian fpv-drone footage, lots of russian soldiers would like to disagree with your statement. :)

[@ciaranpelfrey5853]

Yeah, I agree. Currently in Ukraine rn, and you basically never wanna prone anywhere. It’s terrifying.

[@TexasBarnRats]

Sorry, but our prone profile while shooting was less than HALF of what’s shown at 11:12 . My era was instructed by folks influenced by Vietnam. I recall being taught that the #1 fatal wound during direct contact action was “canoe head” (a round ripping across the top of the skull). We were taught to get down so low that your 20-ROUND magazine was resting on the deck and the stock was darn near on the top of your shoulder. Furthermore, our nose was down on the charging handle. When the 30-rd mags started to become common, many stuck with the 20-rounders as long as possible. Now there may be very different philosophical and tactical considerations between Grunt Proof’s sand box-era model and the jungle warfare model of my era. Would be interesting for someone with more knowledge to compare / contrast the two.

[@GruntProof]

Yup. Context is everything. The MACV SOG guys talk about not always going prone because things disappear in thick jungle.

[@christopherkey3488]

Bro idgaf what the contrast is, I’m not getting canoed if I can help it…fuck that. So we are keeping the front nice and slick so we can get as low to the ground as possible.

[@SilverShamrockNovelties]

@@christopherkey3488the SHTF hospital is a bandage and prayers. Getting your gourd split is a merciful end. Your best chance is get your head behind your tool and make the other side duck for cover.

[@arighteousname5882]

Your veitnam "era" is outdated and not even relevant given the evolution of gear and equipment. Nobody cares about what your veitnam instructors preached seeing as thought you probably didn't even have that knowledge tested assuming you served after the Vietnam war. You said a whole lot of nothing to be honest. You're point was vapid

[@MylesKillis]

Wear a Kevlar

[@lewis9888]

At 68 I doubt if it will matter much to me. All of my chest rigs and plate carriers are set up to carry six 30 round rifle magazines and 3 pistol magazines plus IFAK, canteen and other items. My team will be here on the farm when SHTF. We are planning on bugging in, although we have a plan b and a plan c if needed. Keep Prepping my friends.

[@surfinoperator]

Of course, I can get prone with a chest rig, right now. I'm a elephant, my head is swollen after brain surgery/cancer, my belly is full of fluids during chemotherapy..... I just need a bomb crater to get flat & prone😂😂 Never ever stop fighting and going forward, no matter what!

[@karlgunn1209]

Prayers get well

[@EverGlorious22nd168]

Top man.

[@surfinoperator]

@@karlgunn1209 THANK YOU!

[@surfinoperator]

@@EverGlorious22nd168 ...a old grunt never ever stops fighting 😉🤘

[@ronmann2681]

I remember all the points you spoke of. You aren't mocking the stupid enough! Great job!!

[@jasonprairie9968]

You know Randall, all of these couch gunners need to get a 7-8 and find some old infantry grunts and have a conversation. Well done, stay safe.

[@zershyn]

I just happened to come across your channel, I really appreciate you common sense approach to these topics. I think most of these things just get repeated so much no one actually question's them. Great work.

[@d_prac]

As a machinegunner, I much preferred a belt rig. I deployed with two torn and prolapsed disks in the lumbar spine. Wore an 8-point harness with body armour seperate over the top of the harness. 800 rounds of 7.62x51 belt is 20kg of ammo. That’s a very awkward load to place entirely on the shoulders. Belt rig puts it on the hips.

[@XrayMike17plus1]

I wouldn't worry much about a chest rig when that 30 round mag doesn't let you get your weapon up and into the fight from a prone position without more exposure than caused by your chest rig.

[@darklyripley6138]

You can slightly cant the rifle so that the mag doesn’t hit the ground. This is day 1 stuff you should already know. Also, if you’re shooting from the prone, you are probably safe enough to have your head up slightly. So you don’t seem to understand when low crawling is actually used.

[@RedSkeng]

Tbf your not running drills correctly if you can’t tilt the gun to an angle while prone shooting

[@chrisowen5497]

I was only trained with Alice gear, LBE and medium Alice rucksack. I’m curious about the chest rigs, but I haven’t decided to dive in yet. At 54, I may just stick with what I know forever. Great video! I love the explanations, as I see all kinds of crap on the net.

[@arighteousname5882]

Yeah just go ahead and stick to what you know which is outdated military surplus gear from the 80's that. I mean why would you adapt to change and get with the times and evolve with the gear that has been battle proven over the last 20 years of war over seas.🤦🏾‍♂️

[@MaggieKeizai]

@@arighteousname5882 That old outdated stuff is battle proven, too. Against chest rigs, even. An old pro with old gear who knows what they're doing will absolutely demolish a larping chud with gucci gear and no clue. If you think that keeping mags on your belt is somehow wrong... you haven't been paying attention.

[@arighteousname5882]

@@MaggieKeizai uhm ok. That's has nothing to do withbwhat I said

[@arighteousname5882]

@@MaggieKeizai ok Boomer🫵🤡

[@MaggieKeizai]

@@arighteousname5882 Has everything to do with what you said. It just whizzed right through your ears and over that glass-smooth brain of yours.

[@herknorth8691]

If you're really worried about it, they make split-front rigs that you can unzip/unbuckle and flap out of the way when you prone out.

[@tubeguy4066]

@@matthiasthulman4058 Eagle split rig is the best

[@Ellifiknow]

I bought a chest spring rig from ACME so I can fire on the way down and it will bounce me right back up so I can keep going.

[@encinio1]

I appreciate the fact you are pointing out the realities of what actually occurs in a fire fight. I do have one counter to this video and that is, those who don’t know will more than likely never know, because they will never find themselves in a situation to have to know. Dumb is fixable, stupidity is incurable.

[@Mstr.Nobody]

Bruh, your wrong, all the movies & vids i watch from my moms guest suite, (basement), show your clearly wrong....😊

[@billiep4338]

😂

[@josephg.3370]

😂

[@torstenzeeb6176]

😂

[@robertlarsen6516]

Haha! Guest suite!

[@steveturner3999]

Experience is the best teacher for sure. Thanks again for getting that experience while protecting our asses back home.

[@bewbew0016]

Agreed. Additionally, when we're wearing chest rigs without plate carriers, it's generally for security by speed. So, holding and fighting (especially out in the open) is not advisable. It always comes back to knowing why you're wearing what you're wearing, and why you're doing what you're doing. Of course, with certain things, different units have different philosophies. So, (and this definitely applies to minutemen/CitMil) when you have special units comprised of guys from various branches and units, we do additional training together to make sure we're all on the same page and are operating under the same philosophies. A lot of guys have had different experiences during GWOT. I'm simply speaking from mine, but not saying anyone else's was wrong.

[@briancostello2783]

I second your thoughts and know that by logistics I don't and cannot expect to sustain an infantry style role lmao

[@coryhoggatt7691]

I’ve never heard anyone say “you can’t get prone in a chest rig.”

[@sanecanadian2351]

5:00 digging your mag into the ground will give you much more support and lowers your profile. Modern magazines will not cause a malfuction if you apply upward force to them.

[@brian2312]

Great block here. This should be played for flipping West Pointers and OCS "leaders". We learned and changed our gear and racks so often in the Korengal it was absolutely mission dependent loadouts for the last year we were there.

[@billparks7368]

I like your basic but detailed explanations on surviving contact.

[@erickaesman4001]

Great info. I see some links to your gear but not all the clothing you wear. Looking for some Grunt Proof recommended stuff.

[@Prophet7592]

When you were full face down, all I could think was "Tactical starfish!" 😆

[@JustSir430]

I worked on an LEO Tac/Narcotics team and we were in and out of vehicles a lot and some were small under cover vehicles with limited room. I learned real quick to keep the amount of stuff I had stacked on my chest to a minimum and as flat as possible, especially if I was driving. We'd wear soft armor with over vests or chest rigs and a gunbelt. We didn't carry near as much gear as a soldier nor require near as much ammo may have to carry. As they always say, the mission drives the gear. My typical load on the chest rig was 2xAR mags, Radio, Taser, a pistol mag to supplement the 3 on my belt, an admin pouch, extra flashlight, flex cuffs and cutter.

[@mikesimms5750]

I really wish prepper/sheepdog guys loaded their kit more like cops than soldiers. Soldiers are meant to fight. Cops only fight if they have to. For a survivalist, which makes more sense to emulate? For me it's obviously the cop, equipped to go home and not go to wherever the bad guys are.

[@JohnJones-op8uf]

"Tax Payer Funded Vacation to Get Shot At" LOL well said!

[@americanmilitiaman88]

When I was a seabee we were issued the modular tactical vest. Sure it offered decent protection. But it was heavy and very difficult to get prone while wearing a Kevlar and getting in and out of vehicles also hard. And in the Mississippi heat becoming a heat casualty was almost guaranteed and leaders were unwilling to allow situation dictates. Multiple seabees with prickly heat rash and needing IV fluids during summer field exercises. Being able to move quickly and utilize cover and get up move and down quickly is just as important as the SAPI plates

[@superfish0012]

This whole misconception is pushed by Big Belt Rig to sell more belts.

[@jonmueller2117]

Great instruction. Your service is much appreciated!

[@philliplopez1501]

I think the problem seems to be that most people don't understand the difference between "prone" and "low crawl". "Prone" means you still have work to do. It's not an excuse for a nap. You have to be able to observe and engage targets as necessary. "Low crawl" is litterally hugging the ground as you are taking fire...and yes, you are moving towards the target...or at least cover in that direction. This concept of get down and hide is childish and will get people hurt fast. Soldiers are there to do a job. Set your gear up to do just that. Best of luck, Phil

[@bobbie4862]

Thank you. I get so tired of hearing this. I am a big dude and can still get prone with double mags on the front of my PC.

[@montanatacticalhomesteader6623]

I think I will add some 3 to 5 second rushes in my workout routine as soon as this Easter dinner settles.

[@Swish82]

This is the part where the "What if" police come out.

[@paulnejtek6588]

"what ifs" are not any kind of fallacy. If it's a legitimate point that contradicts what's being said then it's obviously legitimate. This seems to be some silly idea from the last few years and ppl are tripping over themselves to jump on the wagon.

[@sciencerules281]

The way I always thought of it was practicality and sacrifice. In the same way we sacrifice speed for armor or armor for speed depending on the circumstance, we sacrifice getting completely flat for a practical means of carrying accessible ammo and gear to be as effective as possible for returing fire. Rounds down range.

[@rustyshackleford9320]

Chest rigs are awesome. I just ran one for a week in the field with double stacked mags and it really doesn’t make too much difference in how low you can get… as Randal explained, rarely are you doing the low crawl… but the access to ammo makes a huge difference.

[@zerberus_ms]

Even from the perspective of a gamer I can say that I LOVE when my enemy decides to just go prone, instead of fighting. It makes the enemy a stationary target, like a firing range, and gives me sweet time to aim for as long as I need.

[@BrOckSams0n]

Spent quite a while in the infantry, and virtually zero time in the prone in the open. Most of the time spent in cover was actually at a very awkward crouch behind something too low to kneel behind and find cover while also too high to lie prone behind and still engage the enemy.

[@Metalrogue]

Good video. I've been out since 93. But some things don't change. Stay out of the open, shoot, move and communicate. Know the difference between cover and concealment. Keep your battle rattle under control.

[@wes11bravo]

Ahh, the "Shoot Somebody" position. I'm up, they see me, I'm down...

[@brunorojas3992]

Works in video games XD

[@witcher1973]

In our day in my country we called it "lug en grond verkenning" loosely translated as (air and ground recon) bounding, you asses targets and cover while down and firing, you adjust and re assess while up. Even a termite mound or log or a shallow ditch spotted while up is in fact some cover. Tedious as hell and tires you out real fast.

[@blogface100]

After hitting the ground a dozen times you will be breathing so hard you can't hit an elephant lol.

[@Jerry10939]

Hay you still have to be able to low-crawl. I was a Grunt too. There are times you are behind cover and you need to be kept low. You can’t hit anything when running or even moving. Or at least not shooting well. Yes, you avoid danger areas, but sometimes you have to move in the open where this no cover or concealment. I was in when we still used the old LBE. I kept my canteens in the rear and my ammo pouches on the side, because it was uncomfortable to have anything on my front. I was in Desert Storm.

[@kevinstrade2752]

You said the golden answer...use what works for you! What ever you are comfortable with. All gear has advantages and disadvantages.

[@vince5494]

Another great video. During my time I started off with the LBV in OSUT, then was issued the FLC and TAP which I used most of my career. I agree that it is silly when people say you can't hit prone.

[@DeadOrcGoodOrc2355]

The main concerns are mud and shrapnel. Hug the ground, move while they reload mortar, keep magazines clean.

[@BasedWoodchipper]

Lies! Chest rigs are useless. Sell them quick and cheap. Very cheap. To me.

[@TAVAAR7]

My preferred go to TAPS has 2.5-3" added thickness. If you're wearing a chest rig as a chest rig not a belly band it actually adds some nice stability while prone. And if you're actually doing SMCS the amount of time it might be a discomfort is minimal.

[@runningman1156]

never been in combat but what you say makes total sense brother.

[@MochiMoose]

I think the only legitimate concern in this context is to be as low as possible where your helmet can potentially absorb frag but even then…. With 1-1/2” to 4 inches infront of your body, you can still get your head all the way to the ground. It’s a strange argument against chest rigs. I have a split rig, or I run LBE with slick plates, so getting low hasn’t been a concern to begin with, but I agree. I just don’t think it’s really an issue for those with a typical chest rig or two rows of mags/equipment infront of them.

[@JARG]

Can’t get prone in a chest rig… bro hold my beer, watch this!

[@hrafnkolbrandr]

I kept an extra mag pouch on my hip just so I would have something a little easier to reach when proned out around or up against low cover and found it pretty useful. Most of the time though, mags out of the chest rig worked just fine.

[@tmmccormick86]

I have 2 separate rigs and have since my 1st deployment- one is a chest rig for urban/assault/vehicle work, and one is more of an H-harness set up for recce style missions. The former is fitted to armor and the latter fitted sans armor. Has nothing to do with “getting low” and everything to do with comfort while crawling for prolonged periods or laying in a hide sight for hours and hours. Bottom line is it’s personal preference and people shouldn’t let someone on the internet dictate personal preference to them.

[@rabblerouser1117]

I use a PC with triple double stacked mags in the front. All my pouches have flaps so I can slide easier and my pouches do not act like a shovel as I slide. I am skinny and it's somewhat uncomfortable but I deal with it. I drop on my side and kinda roll into the prone so I don't bust my ribs all up.

[@gregmcmanus1975]

some other bullshit that never sat right with me is when you get bitched at by a lane walker because you shot at a target from behind a bush instead of getting up on a knee just to squeeze off two shots, like the bush is gonna get me killed or something

[@ТайнаТайн]

maybe they mean the situation when you hear a falling shell or mine and therefore try to stick to the ground and reduce your profile as much as possible

[@PatriotsArk]

Well said ,All these Internet operators think they are going hug the ground. We found prone to be difficult mountain grade

[@arighteousname5882]

Or in high grass

[@JeffHanauer]

Question: what brand of paint did you use on the rifle camo job? I have found that cheap brands like Krylon will fade and when there are two colors that make one color, blue and yellow make green for example, the yellow will fade first and I end up with camo that has blue tint. This is true as well for fabric dyes.

[@GruntProof]

Rustoleum

[@butthatsreality]

Went through your Gear I Use page and did not find those gloves....

[@wanta1776]

Just get a split rig if you're that concerned. They're also good for airing out your rig when get sweaty, easier to put on and off, etc

[@rh451]

The only time hugging the ground is a good idea is when taking indirect fire. You can’t return fire on an artillery battery 10+ miles away with your rifle.

[@Panhead53]

Vietnam Era we got LC-1, flak vest, accessories. I still have my LC-1 ready to go with 20 rd magazines. Proper camo and reading a terrain helps. 11B, 19D.

[@ss-xb5ev]

We wore the old LBE and Alice pack during my time of service. I am not sure what a difference a chest rig would make in a low crawl situation, but I guessing that it can still be done.

[@HamSandwich277]

I feel like the impact of thick equipment on the front of your chest matters more to position and hold of the weapon than it does for probability of getting hit.

[@Wojtek7060]

Could you make a video how to start a big ass fire with just a multitool?

[@sa-amirel-hayeed699]

It's very simple, don't start fires with a fucking multitool, make yourself a ranger lighter. Bic lighter, paracord, duct tape or gorilla tape, chapstick and cotton balls. Soak tiny cotton balls in the chapstick and stick them in the chapstick cap. Tape one side of the paracord to the lighter and tape the other to the chapstick. Make multiple wraps of tape neatly around both items. When making a fire, tear off a piece of duct tape, smear the inside with chapstick, put a cotton ball on top, light it with the lighter. Instant fire anywhere.

[@Старийкінь]

This all is correct only if we are talking about an enemy armed with small arms. But who will you shoot at when you come under artillery or mortar fire? And it doesn't matter if it's an open space or a shrubbery. Especially on the type of hard and rocky ground that you have under your feet. Shards, pieces of stone and wood will fly five inches and even lower. Armor, vest and magazines on the chest will take two or three inches only at the point of contact with ground but, the shoulders will be pretty high. In addition, running under mortar fire is another quest. Again, I'm talking about a certain type of warfare and a certain experience

[@JBsX39]

I took a rifle class with a mayflower gen4 chest rig and a ruck and was able to go prone no problem. I also am out of shape. It was uncomfortable but doable. After the class I made the decision to build out a LBE molle with a split front. Still a chest rig but way more capable for prone and holds a lot more.

[@southernpartisan1772]

I like chest rigs and jungle kit/ PLCE gear. For me, the PLCE can be preferred in the summer with 90% humidity. Having the airflow is great. If running a chest rig in the summer I highly prefer an open front. It really gets hard to breath down here on the coast sometimes.

[@xforce708]

Good info. I’ve never been LEO, nor have I served. But I will if I have to. At 56 years old I still would. That said, I did join a group last year and it was short lived. But OMG the bickering on rigs. Lol. One thing I truly learned is there’s a lot of scenarios when you’re thinking Minutemen vs soldiers with logistics and all the things a radio call away. Some guys were running as little as four mags but complaining I was running 14 😳. I admit I don’t know what I’m doing, but I was thinking if you’re gone for days and no one is bringing supplies…. Two on the belt, 8 around the chest and the rest on my back and one in rifle. I guess it’s all according to the mission. But I actually felt the double stacks in front aids my prone shooting. As a long time hunter I’d go a long way to stay out of the open. And deer ain’t shooting back. What is your thoughts on a Minuteman load out? My thoughts were I can always scale down for a specific mission. But SHTF….

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

Good 'ol IMT's, good stuff brother, easy peasy going prone with a CR.

[@wendigoactual8325]

Hundreds of years fought in belts and chestrigs. Suddenly in the past twenty years you cant fight unless youre in the thinnest lightest smalles possible armor and plate carrier possible. 2-3" of you being on/off the ground is a negligible amount at 100-500 yards and beyond.

[@chadhudson2046]

I’m only here to look for Bigfoot in the tree line.

[@Stormy2510]

While I generally agree, the biggest problem (in my personal experience) was accessing and reloading a mag while in the prone. It's slower and clunky and usually requires you to roll somewhat onto your side to do it.

[@kerrybay7995]

Having a first-line mag on a belt somewhere between 9 and 10 o'clock helps with that. If you run a belt and CR in tandem, that is.

[@patrickemery5077]

I like my chest rigs because they don't rely on hook and pile to hold it onto my body, yes they have their hindrances like how they add a lot of extra weight to the front of your body and they slosh around while running but I believe it's a fair option for when you don't feel the need to use plates or don't have plates. I also recognize the benefits of a plate carrier such as added protection and the real estate that comes with the surface area and after I find a carrier that doesn't rely on a Velcro cummerbund or if I can find or manufacture a cummerbund replacement that will allow me to use the Velcro less I will definitely be using my plate carrier more often.

[@NM-235]

I was wearing a rack chest rig over OTV in Iraq in 04. Yes you can go prone just fine. Wearing everything on a belt doesn’t work with full coverage body armor, which is a necessity any wear stuff blows up, and makes running/climbing harder.

[@TheEmperorsChampion964]

I personally prefer to have the weight around my hips, but I will keep some extra mag pouches on my chest. Just train with your setup and see if it works for you

[@silentstryker1590]

I always figured it was a consideration because of incoming artillery fire.

[@VanillaGorilla21]

You get low because that’s all you got while you try to gain fire superiority before you break contact out of the danger area .

[@Shoots-A-Stick79]

Trolls, please stay in the basement and log off.

[@torstenzeeb6176]

👍🍻🥃

[@Katana_Gryphon]

No, staying in the basement is the opposite of what they need. They need to go outside and touch grass. Live in the real world.

[@Shoots-A-Stick79]

@Gryphonification No. They need to stay below ground. Trolls are like moles. A royal pain in the a$$.