You Can't Perfect Your Aim in the Practice Room

[@giovannicodeluppi2168]

nobody's gonna talk about that 11/10 transition? 3:30

[@typo5938]

that was really good

[@Cosmic-Clod]

I hope they do something with the copy machine. Where once powered on instead of standing in place and copying the player it has a similar AI to the octoling enemies in story mode , just slightly better and with the objectives of killing the player, avoiding being splatted and inking surfaces. This doll would be a lot better for aim practice in a controlled environment

[@hallaloth3112]

This would be great.

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

Fr tho the copy bot is so disappointing

[@mohamadkabbara7114]

Also would be great if you can choose what weapon the copy bot uses. Then you can practice against a wide variety of weapons instead of just shooters. Same applies to sub weapons.

[@hallaloth3112]

@@mohamadkabbara7114 that would be amazing. . .

[@saliso470]

There is a big difference between the constant velocity of the dummies and a almost randomly moving player. Especially for snipers it can make you think you are better than you are. They also aren't shooting back and painting your feet.

[@ayskaripepperooni2770]

Also they have way more cover which becomes really apparent with splatlings.

[@hallaloth3112]

It's why I still struggle with trying to even practice Chargers. I want to, but turf bores me, and while I don't care too much about my rank. . .I at least want to maintain it!

[@Naito9874]

They're also not moving on one axis

[@nanorex_gaming]

Having just started playing X, I'm realizing that my reaction time is just complete garbage. I'm completely unable to track an unpredictably moving target well enough to win a 1v1 most of the time compared to being able to plan all my actions in advance in Salmon Run

[@ravioliburritochampion1610]

It's easy to have a false sense of aim skill given to you by the training room. I remember the first times going into the training room with goo tuber, tri stringer, splatanas, etc, hitting the one shots consistently against all the targets, think "oh, I'm damn good with this weapon", then go into an actual match and getting absolutely shat on because all of a sudden what I'm aiming at is moving around, impending my own movement, threatening to kill me, and I couldn't react in time to hit my one shots before they killed me.

[@Driftwood-ML]

I'm not sure how much of a difference this makes practically but I think it's also worth noting that the training targets are significantly larger than actual inklinks/octolings (have your character stand right next to one to see the difference). I image that it can make it easier to misjudge distance in an actual match (though at least it would make you overestimate your distance at least).

[@thederpysqueege]

I think the hurtbox may be the same, but if they aren’t i wouldn’t be surprised.

[@Driftwood-ML]

@@thederpysqueege Just did a quick check and I think you are actually right. The border seems to stop where the four curved lines on the target ends so maybe this isn't as big of an issue as I thought.

[@celestialspark5697]

Regarding that last point, looking at the Splattershot in particular, provided you remain grounded, its first three shots only have a 1% chance of going wide enough to miss the center of the reticule, while anything after that gets increasingly less accurate rather quickly. Landing the first shots also means not having to fire even more extra shots because you randomly missed. I've noticed a common trend when talking about movement is that virtually all discussion of techniques assumes the player has a shooter that can just shoot its feet at will. I've seen almost no discussion of how other weapons should deal with that situation. This has been a point of frustration when I'm, for example, playing Ballpoint or Stamper and get my feet inked by an inkjet indirect, and need to be able to move before another shot is fired.

[@buckethead8660]

Use your subweapon

[@nathanfeldman210]

@@buckethead8660as one of two existing painbrush mains, I might as well not have one 😢

[@FreakishBoo]

As a splatling player, I struggle a lot in those kinds of situations. If I don't have charge, I might be able to use my sub weapon to paint my feet, but for the most part, I'm a sitting duck. I've found it's mostly better to just stay out of those situations the best I can and play further back behind cover, or to go in with one of my teammates.

[@sinkingdeep]

i think we need a room where you fight a robot with agent 3 ai

[@legitknight30]

Or at the very least, advanced Elite Octoling AI, I think Inner Agent 3 AI could be a little too much for newer players

[@cauabarbosacairrao370]

We need of a better AI made to actually try to emulate the behaviour of a player, actively trying to avoid your shots while having an actual aim

[@esmooth919]

5:43 I have this problem, too. I always find myself missing shots because I'm not as close as I thought I was. Another problem I have is, I always aim for the head, even though I know you can paint their feet in order to cut off their movement. My muscle memory never thinks to do that first. I'm always trying to kill them as soon as I can, on some DPS type stuff

[@sunshinemocha93]

For how much easy it was, I think Inner Agent 3 from Octo Expansion is still a good training compared to training room. Ever since I started playing Splatoon 3 I forgot to visit that fight like i used to do and now im struggling as a consequence and my games have been worst ever since.

[@esmooth919]

I've always said that these training dummies weren't the best, compared to human players. And even then, I still would have liked to be able to practice against bots who move similar to human players... But I guess those days are long gone, huh? Everything is online only

[@miimiiandco]

They already have the AI for the enemy Octolings in story mode.

[@shadowtd9982]

@@miimiiandcothere like VERY rare the only example i can think of is after alterna and even the there not that good

[@esmooth919]

​​@@miimiiandcoBut you don't see those octolings very often, now do you? As an owner of a hybrid portable system that is not going to always be online when you travel, it really would have been nice to have offline versions of the online modes against bots. But whenever I'm not near a Wi-Fi signal, or an ethernet cord, half of this game is a paperweight. The same can be said for the first two games. And it hurts even more, because the Wii U is going offline next April!

[@malcovich_games]

@@esmooth919 At least we know the levels that have lots of octolings (that fog one with the cube, in particular). The one feature that would be cool if they added it, would be to let us skip any section of After Alterna if we've beaten it already, so we can go to the last one and fight the octoling gauntlet.

[@Lazzuuu]

​@@esmooth919 I have shitty wifi and can almost never play, so I definitely agree!!! I think it also sucks that we pay like 60€ for the game, but we can only play ONE mode unless we pay 20€ every year:( but hopefully the dlc will give us more to do if we cant play online!! Also the Wii u is gonna go offline???😢

[@RyanMariners]

You know what they say. Practice makes perfect!

[@malcovich_games]

More of, practice makes permanent.

[@RRVCrinale]

This explains _so_ much. For what it's worth, the moving targets did at least teach me positioning, if not how to aim at a realistic target - attacking is usually when a target moves slowest or their speed is most predictable, so pick moments like that to engage and force them to pick between two bad choices: engage you at a disadvantage where they will at best trade, or retreat under fire, where their survival is not guaranteed and/or they concede the ground anyway.

[@splatmeme4270]

Honestly I just use the training room to warm up a bit before the match to get my muscle memory in gear. I do most of my practicing actually in Turf war matches.

[@usb6000]

Using the splatana, I put a piece of paper on the screen and then try and track my target with the audio cue and the little motion I can see. There's nothing better when that pays off when you splat someone through a booya bomb. If your team member is going to blind you, you might as well use it to your advantage.

[@carlos41519]

They need to give us more official tools especially in recon. They can let us record inputs in recon and let a dummy copy it. This will help players learn how to place shots and fight around cover for any weapon. Also recon could let us switch weapons and gear mid recon. Would be bug help imo

[@strohkoenig]

And most importantly: match codes for recon so that these prerecorded movements can be shared with others!

[@umbreonfan0369]

Thank you. I've been wondering why i'm perfect in the training room then when I queue in a game all that training disappears.

[@flight5091]

You also don't have to deal with distractions. There's so much going on in a real match that isn't there in the lobby. Enemy ink isn't just physical impedance - it's brightly coloured enough to strain your eyes a bit more, and opponents are harder to see against it compared to the high-contrast target dummies. UI elements, splashes of ink, stray shots, explosions and other sub/special visual effects, your own allies... all that can impede your vision in a real fight, and even a little bit of it, even momentarily, can impact your aim a surprising amount.

[@giganticmoon]

If they had AI that’s at your level for practice, that would help. How would it work? You have robots right? They can act like the targets here, moving, or still, but you can turn it on, and it can either go on easy, advanced, or adjust (either your skill level or you can change it’s settings.) Make sure to save the settings if you want to keep it.

[@sw0rdbyte]

great video, especially the parts where you shared the limitations of the training room - i always like to do warm up drills for 5-10 minutes w the dummies, thinking that'll help warm me up but i feel like now i can be more intentional about what exactly im practicing in those warm ups. awesome info 👍

[@LegendaryHeroponRiki]

for me it actually did improve my aim alot

[@sey_81]

another thing to mention is that outside of the copy machine, all the dummies are fatter than players. if you have a good feel for the dummies you´ll notice the thinness of the copy machine quickly in comparison, as it matches the actual standing hitbox of a player.

[@SquidSchool]

I've looked into this with the help of a dataminer, and they tell me that the parameters for the hitboxes of players and target dummies are exactly the same at least for the purposes of being shot at. Their collision with other objects in the room is different, but that's not what's relevant here.

[@sey_81]

​@@SquidSchool what are the numbers they gave you? what I got told was the cylinder part is 0.95 high and the caps (and cylinder radius) is 0.35 cylinder is offset 0.35 from the ground (meaning the bottom of the capsule is exactly at floor height) going by splatoon 3s distance units, where 5.0 is the distance between lines in the lobby there´s also the fact that squid form is fatter for sure, and the numbers I was told about are for human form standing/firing. I could imagine the squid form matching the dummies I guess maybe?

[@hallaloth3112]

I've been trying to take into account 'first shots' in the training room when I bother not trying to play simon says between matches. Know how many shots it takes to splat, you get that many shots per target (+1 if you want to be generous). Bonus points if you keep yourself moving/jumping to simulate actually being in a 1v1. It becomes a lot harder to land those shots. . .especially with jump RNG taken into consideration.

[@HK_on_YT]

The biggest difference that you did not mention is simply lag even if you have the best internet connection in the world because it can be (and often is) affected by other players' latency. I've had fights using Squeezer where I hit a non-moving opponent 6 times (confirmed visually and auditively), which would have splatted them twice, but they were still not splatted. Or I was splatted by a player two seconds after having splatted them using the Nautilus 47 without me having been hit (visually or auditively) during the fight and then seeing in the post-splat cam that I was apparently splat by a ghost.

[@Boomtendo4tw]

Oh I get direct hits all the time but that lag pro has me dying from players still under the ink

[@AlexSamaras]

Would it be a good habit to form to immediately main strafe or sub strafe when you miss a shot in the training room? Like rather than correcting aim from the same spot to try to pop the target dummy, immediately dip into the ink and strafe and either target a different dummy or target the same dummy from a different angle? . Obviously, the best practice is to get into matches and try, but still, I'd like to try to form good habits and muscle memories while waiting for matchmaking to determine my fate. ;)

[@sw0rdbyte]

personally, i think dipping into the ink and strafing is good practice instead of just shooting from the same spot. against better players who may or may not have good aim, main strafing is too obvious of a move, so doing a little swim left or right (being unpredictable) to get into a better position after missing a shot will secure a kill. that's my thoughts on it!

[@SquidSchool]

Yeah, definitely don't keep shooting after missing! As soon as you miss, do something that would throw a player's aim off immediately.

[@SJrad]

Yeah I noticed that the targets have a bigger hitbox than actual players

[@SquidSchool]

In terms of how large the target that can be hit by shots is, that's incorrect according to a dataminer I consulted. twitter.com/squidschool_spl/status/1709599758950511034

[@zeatehkcasualaccount]

give us copycat players in recon modes you coward splatoon devs

[@Evan842Complex]

But why not train with After Alterna?

[@NotSnak]

Costs 333 eggs to play that level every time and its long

[@Pearl7sp]

what if we use after alterna for aim drills?

[@GWConspiracy]

I wonder if they are purposefully withholding more advanced training rooms to keep the average skill level lower & more accessible to all ages. Requiring learning to happen in matches can slow down the power scaling of the playerbase

[@GraveyardShift-tl6ri]

wouldnt surprise me tbh. keeps the entire life of the game alive longer i would assume too.

[@Fqrbid]

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