You'd Better Check If You Have These Before getting An Alignment!

You'd Better Check If You Have These Before getting An Alignment!
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I just installed a lift kit on my 1995 GMC Suburban and took it to the alignment shop. They told me an alignment was not possible without removing these 'alignment tabs' sometimes called 'alignment lugs' or 'alignment knockouts'.
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[@sourwords1808]

You're telling me, that you used a coupon on something that already costs less then $10? I respect that!

[@jimmyaber5920]

Positive camber when the tire leans outward to put more load on outside tread, negative if top of tire is further under fender and would load the inside tread. caster is almost always positive with few rare exceptions. Caster is an angle between spindle pivot points which is the two ball joints on double control arm types and ball joint and upper strut mount center on MacPherson strut type. The line between those two joints will intersect ground in front of tire in direction of travel. The other angle involved is Steering Axis Inclination ,SAI, and also known as KPI from when vehicles had kingpins. This is an angle in a 90 degree turned axis between spindle support points. This usually will be a line that would strike ground outside the center of lower ball joint. Greater SAI gives stronger return to center when wheel is released but also gives more kick into wheel as the leverage for force striking wheel is greater. Positive caster and the SAI will yield a torque that makes each front wheel turn to center. SAI is affected by camber setting as that changes the ball joint angle in that plane. Balanced caster and camber between left and right will yield a turn to center balance or equilibrium and car should go straight on a perfect road with no lane crown. A common practice on RWD vehicles is to give the right side a small amount more caster to offset the crown (slope) built into road to make water drain. This would make car drive straight in rh lane and add a faint amount of steering correction for lh lane travel.

[@plugger4945]

Your videos are priceless,Thank You! I like how you’re not afraid of tackling a difficult project. “Hey,if he can do it,so can I “.

[@risky1]

Seriously Dude !!! You have the BEST VIDEOS !!! I did my 91 Chevy Heater Hose Intake Manifold fix yesterday. It happened just like yours did. 1St 2 attempts stripped out. 3 attempt pulled it right out. Started the truck for 2 seconds and blew out all the flakes and it's back together!!! THANKS A MILLION !!!! You da MAN !!!!

[@VanisleNSX]

It's good to see that those tabs popped out so easily for you!

[@lamarpruittjr129]

You got lucky. First, on your vehicle your brackets are on side of frame so they are easier to get to. My 94 Silverado has them located on top of frame. Second, and mostly, mine didn’t break out near as easily. Air hammer, chisel, channel locks; then more of the same. In the end, had to polish holes with a bit to get bolts to go all the way to each end. Congrats.

[@TOMAS-lh4er]

I bought the GM tool that pops those tabs out !! I found it in a pawn shop for $5 !!!! .they didn't know what it was ! thanks Jimmie ,i knew what It was from watching this video and knowing about the tabs THANKS!!

[@TheDUGGAN36]

I like your honesty statement in the beginning

[@TH3C001]

I, like you, own a GMT400 truck, specifically I have a 1997 C1500 Silverado. The truck is 26 years old, has 250,000 miles, and I’ve had all the control arm bushings replaced, so naturally I thought I was being fucked with when the alignment shop said they couldn’t set my camber, and then quoted almost $300 to remove “factory knockouts.” Seeing what I need to do now, I think I’ll just give them $300 lol.

[@justingarcia9444]

Oh man. If only knocking out the tabs were this easy on my 99 suburban. Unfortunately mine were not tacked in like yours. I had to buy a special knockout tool that didn’t even work well. Spend hours using a punch and grinder to finish it off

[@danb.3397]

Actually done well. Good commentary and pace with good video.

[@erikturner5073]

From 94-96 Suburbans and Tahoe/Yukon trucks went through major as well as some minor changes as well. Still there great trucks!! I have a 99 GMC suburban and also a Chevy Tahoe the same year. Both are very clean trucks with upgrades. They definitely stand out and have no plans or desire in getting anything newer! Last of the square style trucks. Can't beat the classic look!!!

[@triforcelink1310]

Literally the first video I could find that actually shows how it aligns, thanks

[@brandonhughes9808]

Thank u. Usually don't come out that easily. Great video.

[@theANGRIERone]

Lookin' good! Nice when having to fix something is easy, even though it's kinda like doing it twice. And you can never go wrong with having an air hammer. I use mine for a lot of stuff on my truck. Damn near necessary here in the Midwest.

[@MadeInTexas]

Done many of those knock outs and find it easier to use a 22 mm wrench 🔧 to pop them out Using the open end to push them out. Sometimes they didn’t stamp them good from the factory so that’s when you have to used a air hammer to knock them out but still leaves pieces that have to be cleaned up with a carbon bit. I always hated doing the knock outs. And I’ve seen them all the way a far as 1998 Chevy and GMC 🙂✌️

[@1RoadGarage]

Thanks for the great info!!

[@TOMAS-lh4er]

HI Made ! Why are those tabs in there to begin with ?? I think I follow why they come out ,in order to turn the adjustment !! but what did they do in the first place ?? thanks

[@MadeInTexas]

TOMAS They hold the vehicle to the factory alignment specifications. After time the suspension loosens up and wears in So the tabs that we call knockouts have to be knocked out in order to set the vehicle back to the factory specifications The only problem is when you remove the tabs it is much easier for the control arm to be knocked out of alignment when hitting a potholes. Usually charge about half hour to one hour each side on top of the price of alignment

[@TOMAS-lh4er]

@@MadeInTexas GOT IT !! thanks for the reply !!

[@NotME535]

What you had was positive camber (or so it looked like to me). Positive camber happens when the top of the tire is "going away" from the vehicle. That does not help in tight bends. Negative camber is what is usually required by most vehicles on the roads, it happens when the top of tire goes towards the frame of the vehicle Some vehicles need positive camber, usually trucks and vans, as it is needed for heavy cargo, when the vehicle is loaded the camber becomes negative, granted it ever so slightly. You also have some other angles in the suspension of the vehicle and steering of the vehicle. They need be well tuned in order for some good corners and good handling, as well as safe motoring. In some countries (Portugal for example) the steering needs to be aligned so that the vehicle will pass mandatory periodic inspection. Doing an alignment with a piece of string is not a way to do an alignment at all, it is only good enough to get to an alignment. An alignment is milimetric, it needs to be done correctly. I hope this information suits and helps you. Cheers.

[@eQuisFi]

Well, now I know what to do with my gmc suburban -95. Thank you so much 👍

[@AngelWolfSoldier]

Got torsion bars on my 02 ram. They suck to reinstall, but I am glad you were able to make them work for you.

[@zcraz1998]

You have what is known as a short long arm suspension up front.... so basically the more your truck "squats" in the front the bottom kicks out more causing wear on inside... also when you lift the front it sucks the bottom of the tire in causing wear on outside.... also the "toe" will change meaning the front of the tires will either turn in toward each other causing wear on outer edge of tire or away from each other causing wear on the insides.... basically have an alignment done when any change is performed, and or regularly (like when you get tires)..... like springs in a bed with a fat person never getting off, your springs or torsion bars are gonna sag over time

[@jakesalerno1932]

Mine were no where near that easy to get out, my neighbors learned some new words that day 😂

[@squirrelkilla7371]

Had issues with companies like this before. Bought lowering coils for a V6 truck, but no where did it state that they were for a V8 and the company had no idea they were wrong.

[@lcmb25]

Looking good! I’ve got a 98 K3500 and I wish someone made a 3” lift for it!

[@IdahoIsaiah67]

just what i needed, good someone cared enough to make a video on it.

[@danhambrick6331]

Would look good with a set of Mickey Thompson ATZ 's.

[@EricErnst]

Negative camber is when the tops of the tires are leaned in. It desirable to have a small amount of negative camber. Race cars usually have much more than street cars.

[@LookInDJProduction]

Thx for this video showing how is principal of alingment.

[@aaronpowell4885]

Good to know what to look for in the future. All the 88-98 C/K's I've worked on the suspension of had over 100k, and must've already had an alignment at some point!

[@TheRealElmoSkateTeam]

Mine hasn't and it's at 172 haha

[@anthonyperrotto4412]

Here’s a idea for your next mod / video Ceramic coat You need to use your polisher / very DIY I did it on my truck and it looks great

[@TXREDVR6]

Rule of thumb 95 is face lifted 94 pretty much everything is a 94. Late 95 into 96 is different all together might look the same from the outside but it’s completely different.

[@punker4Real]

1995 was a OBD1.5 thing that is why the 1996 changed wires changed new computers etc.. basically they were just using all the "left over" parts to build new ones

[@boosted2.4_sky]

1:50.. So the alignment shop couldn't simply punch out the tabs and do the alignment?

[@danhambrick6331]

Probably would cost a whole lot more than just the alignment price....

[@boosted2.4_sky]

@@danhambrick6331 Even if they wanted to crack my head for 40 or 50 bucks... I'm already there.... 👉 knock em out

[@cup_and_cone]

Lazy shop. I mean ya, they're not the plastic tabs on the newer trucks, but to decline over a couple minutes extra work is ridiculous.

[@DaveSomething]

nope, torsion bars stay jumpy... did on mine.

[@TOMAS-lh4er]

GOOD DEAL !! THANKS FOR SHOWING US ! I see that removing them creates a full-size slot on that side !! but I don't follow why that end of the bolt needs more room ?? When the tabs were still in , did that prevent that "cam " washer from turning ?? AND how was it aligned at the factory when the tabs were in ?? Thanks, for helping me follow how that works !

[@andymccorkle9469]

Keep going an it's looking like my 99 suburban.

[@x-man5056]

Since you didn't show it, I think anyone considering tightening their torsion bar key to raise their vehicle; Raise your front wheels of the ground and count your your torsion bar key bolt turns when making this adjustment. If you don't, you won't be the first guy who stripped or broke that bolt but you'll be just a PO'd anyway. Word to the wise.

[@mbarter1991]

I actually have to do the same exact thing. I went to get a cheap alignment shop they did it but it was not right brought it back they redid it. Still wrong. Said it’s a gearbox issue. But it’s a new gear box a few months ago. Went to the best alignment shop where I live and they said knock out those things you just did! We will see how it goes

[@gerardoorozco9286]

How did your go, I was told the same exact thing. I put the 3in lift, took off the original control arms and put the recommend ones for the lift, took out the knock out tabs to get more adjustment for the eccentrics, Did inner and outer tie rods. But I'm still getting the positive camber? Anyone have any suggestions? When I went for alignment they told me the same thing, that the bolts were maxed out!?

[@jimmysjays9220]

I swear your the best ever I love your video I just can only wish some one like you would do a series like this on my 97 gmc sierra but the truck that we have are roughly the same thank man much love

[@deanwharepapa8561]

Excellent work Jimmy

[@dude7838]

Also known as "knockouts" the vehicles are not aligned on the assy. line. They use these knockouts as a general rule of alignment when assembling the vehicles. Modern GM's use of plastic inserts. Easy to look at and see if a full proper alignment has been performed.

[@hondanation9375]

So do you have to punch out the tabs on a stock height truck to get it aligned or only for lifted trucks?

[@chrissupport]

I went to an alignment shop yesterday and the guy said yes - that it can't be aligned properly otherwise. It's possible they don't have to be adjusted so much w/stock height, but the cam in slotted side can't be adjusted more than ~1/8" (the amount of slop between cam washer and mount/bracket. My truck runs straight, but I want to knock them out so caster can be adjusted if needed.

[@oBlackCoffee]

I literally just had the same problem after my 4in lift on my 97 Sierra, it was $100 for them to take out the tabs with labor and $50 for the alignment. Not too bad I could've done it myself but I didn't have the time.

[@tony45292]

I wonder if the 2wds have those tabs I might have to take a look at mine tomorrow

[@zcraz1998]

It does unless they were taken out for an alignment

[@tony45292]

I doubt mine were ever taken out I did a coil spacer lift on it about 3 years ago and never had it aligned it would probably explain why my front tires have a negative camber to them

[@oldtimefarmboy617]

Steering tires should be tilted slightly inwards at the top and at the front. That is because in order to enable the steering tires to turn there must be some free-play in all of the moving joints. That way when the tires start rotating, centrifugal force will cause the wheel to straighten up and hold firm against against the joints so the wheel does not wobble at speed.

[@ronspencer676]

When i had mine like that it made one of my tires hard jump when making slight turns at highways speeds especially on rainy days. So i set my casters down to center the arm bolts and its been good. Not perfect but good. I run 37/13.50/20s so its always a hastle getting it right

[@themechanic4222]

Basically camber bolts

[@PanzerPlatform]

Next time get a piece of string, and do your own front end alignment.

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[@_i-kr6eg]

Im sure you wannabe car enthusiasts. Stfu

[@Mac-mu9cs]

To be expected from rough country The directions are often lacking even from the “better” kits.

[@azeissler1987]

We need to see the 32's or 33's Jimmy!

[@matthewjeschke]

I am not too worried if you are right or wrong. hope you are right. thing is you are honest, make a gd video, and I love seeing build videos on burbans ;) I have a tahoe I am building and there arent too many ppl talking about them out there.

[@josephdowney4919]

Can you do a long term review on this rough country lift? I have heard nothing but bad things about these lifts, but I think they are the only option for GMT400 that include the upper control arms and diff mounts and not just keys.

[@bigtd7399]

Thanks 😮

[@bryanwilborn1406]

Thank you that helped alot

[@ricardoramos1242]

I'll see you too, on the next one

[@VincentVader]

So why couldn't the guy at the alignment shop just knock those tabs out and do the job and save you a bunch of trouble?

[@fredflintstone4715]

When was the truck made? Don't they start making 'next years' trucks a good 6 months early? Maybe a few tweaks were made later into the year(s).

[@punker4Real]

mid year thing

[@j.v.7273]

Jimmy - when you put the 33 your MPG will suffer. Hope you don’t drive much. I’m getting close to 10 now. 305/45/22 on a 96 Burb

[@jaywhittemore5878]

Looks good. New meats & it will look awesome

[@mc1992]

I'm trying to lower my 97 4x4. Which direction do the control arms need to be adjusted to fix negative camber?

[@FAFOSanders]

Truck looks awesome ...😎

[@user-ny4zm8on7u]

Can you please explain transmission thermostat in SUVs 2015 & above what is benefit of it & can we delete it Last what is the normal operation temperature?

[@lifeofbryan2561]

I’m in your area, where did you get your alignment done? I’m ready for mine. Thanks for the great video!

[@danktank1959]

They wanted $600 for the knock outs. So I could lift my c/k3500 dually. Doing it this week myself than installing level kit after. 2000 c/k3500 dually

[@jeyweb4236]

Can you see the tabs without taking it apart?

[@masterful7574]

Cuepon is not a word

[@JuanHernandez-ni6bj]

So if my wheels are camber like should I take those tabs out before taking it to the alignment?

[@therealwillie2024]

Bro those guys at les schwab know less than u do most times. I was told "if I can get it on the rack I'll align it"

[@staceybeausoleil4866]

Perfect video

[@alexmora9603]

Do I have to take my tabs off on my 1997 silverado it's toeing from the top of the tire out eating up my tires from the outside my truck is lowered thank you if you can answer my question

[@joaquinsolis7071]

So you got rid of the bilsteins or was this before ?

[@pedrogonzalez7196]

hey Jimmy where I live there are two surberban with 4 inch r c lifts and let me tell you that's the perfect height you should have gone with that instead just saying

[@outlawjos3ywales]

Jimmy is it me or didn’t ur truck used to be all white without the blue trim in the bottom. If so when did u have it painted?

[@javiermarin668]

Les schwab wants to charge me $200 just to do that.

[@johnjoerich]

TKS very informative

[@TinkeringTom91]

1995 Truck probably assembled and production in 1994..

[@vopry]

Good work I keep going

[@L30n4rdo6]

Hey Jim, I really love your Suburban and now that you lifted it, I have a couple of questions. Are you going to install bigger tires? and if so, what kind of tires?

[@1RoadGarage]

Yep, bigger tires. I'm looking at Falcon Wildpeaks right now..

[@Badgirldeb30]

Jim don`t get the wildpeaks when you go through water the truck will feel like it's hydroplaning I have these on my 99 Tahoe. garbage! go with starfire sf 510 or General grabber or even black lion

[@1RoadGarage]

@@Badgirldeb30 really? What size are you running?

[@Badgirldeb30]

@@1RoadGarage 265/70/16 was running 285 70/75 16 with slight rub on front at full turn

[@kwcearley7]

where did you get your A-frame arms? I have a dodge ram 1500 2001

[@drwombat]

Ok so then how were these tires and front end EVER aligned with those tabs in there surely this isn't the first alignment ever?

[@dude7838]

If it still has the knockouts in the frame its never been properly aligned. Likely a tire stores "Free Alignment" - AKA toe and go

[@puppetmasterblaster]

A KZbinr responded to a similar question above. In order to same time and money on the assembly line they just threw in the cam bolts into the round (knock-outs intact) hole. That put the newly assembled vehicle close enough into factory alignment specs. Honestly if you havent modified or lifted your truck/ SUV you probably dont even ever need to mess with those knockouts.

[@FabiusMaximus1000]

When you get the tires on you have to start wearing a flat bill cap. It's the law.

[@1RoadGarage]

Hahah

[@TheMcdrewb]

95 sub can have 94> or 96< depending on what month and factory....I got a c2500 6.5 td suburban....and there knocked out !

[@ZAEGAINS]

Need sum bigger wheels 🤩

[@cemetery76]

so he didn't get the alignment and now his tires are chewed up

[@danrandle65]

the alignment guy didnt what to take the time to do that little work?

[@dude7838]

This truck is actually clean. Here in the rust belt of Cincinnati "Little Work" would be at least an hour, maybe an hour and a half plus eccentric bolts if they break.

[@drillbittreed10]

Your first mistake was using Rough Country and calling them and ask them for advice

[@michaelwaters5168]

What would you recommend? There are not a lot of choices for this year truck as many manufacturers have discontinued due to lack of demand on this aging platform. I have a 95 K1500 Z71 and I have been searching for an affordable solution myself.

[@drillbittreed10]

@@michaelwaters5168 I have had nothing but bad luck with them. I wish I could tell you of someone who is making them for your truck. Like they say something is better than nothing.

[@oldhvacguy8427]

Hmmmm, my alignment shop wanted 400.00 bucks to remove the tabs on my 1994 K1500 Z71. The reason was because it takes a special tool to CUT the tabs out. Did they BS me? Anybody else have this problem?

[@1RoadGarage]

No specific tool to my knowledge.

[@zcraz1998]

There is a special knock out removing tool, but it is not necessary.

[@condeerogers5858]

Put 17's or 18's on it. Try it , they look good.

[@guero76761]

Fk those things lol 😂

[@jameymote4598]

👍 😎 👊