YOU DO NOT NEED A NAS - And Here is Why...

[@WhoDeanyUnchained]

Thanks for all you do. 7 years ago I thought I didn't need a NAS, but thanks to help from the website I took contol of my data and even more with my NAS. No regrets!😄

[@nascompares]

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar!!! Thank you for supporting what me and eddie do (in so many ways too, positive vibes and a donation - you humble us!). Thank you for being bloody brilliant

[@bewildurd]

For all of the people dumping their NAS gear now, if you send it this way, I'll dispose of it for you 🙂

[@yensteel]

Or here! I'll dispose it in the living room, on a cabinet...

[@deadlymarsupial1236]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@StenIsaksson]

Well, if you leave a hard drive on the shelf for 30 years it will have lost data because it have magnetic platters. The magnetic "field" will loose it's power over the years and eventually your data will be corrupted. That's why you have a thing called scrubbing where the data is moved around and re-written again so it wont get corrupted. Same thing with SSD's. The electric charge in the cells will slowly disappear.

[@cruiserusa]

Agree. It looks like a misleading statement as he only mentioned one of the possible faliure modes: the wear out. In the end what really matters is to have 3-2-1 backup strategy.

[@flyingdragoncar4975]

while i am sure they won't make it too 30 , i have definitely powered up drives from 10+ years just fine. I wouldn't want to be away from my data that long.

[@john_hind]

Come on, they are not talking about archiving! This is powering the disk up for say half an hour every day to do a backup.

[@andic6676]

If you leave a hard drive powered continuously, will data "fade" still?

[@yensteel]

​@andic6676You still get it. It's best to occasionally check or use a system that's fault tolerant. People rarely encounter this issue on their PCs as they upgrade so frequently, but the issue is definitely there, whether the disks are spinning or not.

[@GogoVictoria]

As a video editor, I did tinker with the idea of only using cloud storage for files but it's just so prohibitive. If I were just doing office paperwork then cloud is more than enough

[@yensteel]

Perhaps Hetzner is an option? I would encrypt the data before uploading though. Rclone and cryptomator can do that.

[@IamShopping]

Great video. Exactly my case. One moment I thought about just backing up my files and media and the next moment I'm deep in YT videos about different 4 bay NAS options. Maybe just an external USB drive is quite enough. And cheaper.

[@ErpelusMaximus]

First you buy a NAS, the usecases will come automatically.

[@gaaldornick]

I have 2 NAS and 1 DAS at home....very, very happy 😊....no cloud forever

[@johnnycaps1]

Nice honest, complete analysis of the upside and also the downside of using a NAS vs. some of the other alternatives. Thank you.

[@hottroddinn]

For someone who has just started to think that I don't need a NAS and tinkering with the cloud storage solution, I can tell you. It's suddenly become a pain in the hass! The first 2-3 hours was a BREEZE! Copying data from my local desktops and laptops to the mapped drive on my linux distro. It was blazing fast upload. Now, it simply doesn't budge when I try to copy/move data. I'm well within the quote and there are no data limits, but suddenly there is a bottleneck in my own VM which has all the space and power? It's now choking on cache pool and it's been inconsistent. This has been a good experiment but definitely not letting go of my NAS.

[@jtd8719]

I've got a 10yo 2-bay Syno on my home network. I don't keep anything locally on any of my 4 home PCs that I can't afford to lose. All my "production" files are kept on the NAS or on the work server if I occasionally work from home, and I periodically do incremental backup to a standalone USB drive which I keep on my desk so I can grab it to go in case of emergency. I'd like to replace the Syno with a DIY build and maybe with a flash cache for higher local transfer speeds.

[@TheDotBot]

The great thing about a DIY build is that if the NAS hardware fails, you can still rescue the data. Especially if the data is stored on external hard drives. Just unplug them and plug them into one of your other PCs, and you're good to go. Drama over in 10 minutes. Not so when a NAS fails.

[@067Kurtis]

Thanks for all the great reviews and informational videos like this. I think I can swing DAS and not a NAS. It’s something I can tinker with in the future, I should just have back up right now and I can do that with a simple hard drive and adapter. Thanks for all the seagulls too lol

[@4eyesleo]

Some statements are pretty provocative :) For example, "you write data to a drive, you place it in your friend's home, and after 20 years you still have that data"... Not necessarily. A friend put a lot of data on 5 2.5 inch 500Gb hard drives and put them on a shelf. After 7 years only 2 of them worked as new, from 2 drives I rescued the data, and I didn't succeed to rescue any data from the last one. Now the data from 4 disks are stored on one NAS, backed up to another and one copy lies in AWS Deep Glacier storage. That's what is called peace of mind.

[@joemccall8991]

Maybe I'm an edge case but living in an area without broadband and hating subscriptions are two huge reasons to have local storage. Couple that with cloud companies getting in bed with fascists (yes, I'm a Yank) makes me want to avoid their services completely. I like local, open-source, DIY and complete control of my data, thank you very much.

[@annebokma4637]

Exactly 💯 👍

[@GerbenVanErkelens]

I'm fed up with everything being subscription based. I therefor looked for something I can run on my own and even use as we server etc. I looked for hardware with a decent software suite (qnap in this case) as it could also run unraid and has a ton of expansions I could use (extra m2 slots for example). Although the investment was pretty large I should have it back by not needing all those subscriptions for photos and storage 😂

[@rufus_mcdufus]

I remember years ago the idea of having a network-attached disk. A simpler device than a NAS, just a disk that sits on the network. If it could talk to other disks then it could form an aggregated device like a RAID. With network speeds now getting capable enough and potentially not far-off the ball park even of USB/Thunderbolt, this idea becomes more appealing.

[@tomdearie5165]

Even with my high-speed fiber-optic internet service, cloud storage is simply too slow for the large data loads I have as a photographer. Also, after 40yrs in computing, I no longer trust external proprietary services with mission critical storage. They’re fine for small mobile-necessary bits of data, whcih I have backed up locally. I do use a DAS system, which has been very effective and super reliable.

[@psychic1999]

Use Tailscale and all of the connectivity issues melt. It's game changing especially now you can gen your own certs. I also keep 10Tb in the cloud for DR but hey its under $50USD for the year.

[@justbob8294]

At best a subscription service should only be a off site backup. Subscription services always raise prices even as technology gets cheaper every year.

[@Bob_Smith19]

YES I DO! You will never convince me a subscription service is better than local.

[@45KevinR]

I guess one of the votes for local storage would be the continued cost/availability of fast upload speeds. Even in the broadband improving UK they do love to sell you fast download with a limited upload. And for some/many (especially in the US? Or in rural UK) there's still only ADSL, or very expensive fibre if they are lucky. I recall the experiment a few years ago with an sd card strapped to a homing pigeon. A related video you guys could do, would be the easiest & cheapest ways to get to a reliable 3-2-1 backup depth. There are plenty who forget to *maintain* one level of backup, or at least an on NAS copy - the additional layer is even less likely to get done! Lots now doing their work straight off the NAS/DAS these days too, so that's only a 1+ level of data protection. [I taking the definition that "1 copy" is the live file with no raid]. Let alone the risk that all 3 copies are in the same room.

[@marcel_max]

We have a NAS at the recording studio. Here we do mostly audio recordings but we also have a few video editing jobs once in a while. Clients are mostly around us but we have a few clients around the world, which are old friends I met when I lived in Shanghai. For some reason they like to stick with me. The network system here is good enough to store everything in a DS423+ and do the audio mixing and video editing directly from the NAS. Each client has its own account and can download/upload files anytime they want. Oh, we also have only one basic 15Gb google account just in case but rarely use it.

[@trowawayacc]

You are right we need a homelab!

[@waynebickell1793]

I just received a Synology Beestation! I'm sending it back right away!

[@Gael_AG]

I guess it's wild to use both .fast DAS for very demanding workfkows and Cold important datas and a NAS for the other uses

[@burnsyd17]

Not just locked into the brand's file structure, but VERY often locked out of upgrading to even a new model from same brand. Like I've got a older gen 4-bay TerraNAS, and can't move the drives to the current model 4-bay I bought (wanted the more RAM, faster CPU, faster ethernet) as the older model can't be upgraded to the current OS and that older OS isn't compatible (as far as I can tell) with the new model.

[@peterschmidt9942]

If you're just accessing files and find the plugging/unplugging of drives a bit of a pain or want to share files locally - most routers have USB ports where you can plug the drive in and access that way. A standard drive won't last as long if it's running 24/7 but it's an option. You could also just set up a small PC as a file sharing computer. Personally having run various NAS devices for the last 10yrs, I don't think I could be without mine - even though I probably don't run it to it's full capabilities (it's basically a media server and backup). And I'm still learning other ways of getting functionality out of them.

[@runemllegaard1544]

Personally I think Tape drives are better when it comes to backing up or transporting large amounts of data.

[@TheDotBot]

A NAS in a home office setup used to make sense when SSDs larger than 256 GB were prohibitively expensive, now I don't see the point when it's probably cheaper to use an old PC repurposed as a home theatre PC hooked up to the TV and/or a used laptop as backup if the main PC fails, and keep them synced up with the work PC. At least they're doing more than just NAS. Also... looking at Amazon reviews, especially budget NAS units fail and if that happens, the data is GONE. Especially in cheap RAID solutions, which are notorious for failing.

[@kjltube]

I only found out about Das solutions when investigating for a Nas. Das systems are probably a lot less exciting but for me my USB C Das does the job for data/photo backup and cost me peanuts used ($100 for the 5 bay Terramaster with a hardware raid option). It’s as fast as 10Gb internet, has no security threats and as you say “does what it says on the can”. A Nas on the other hand I would unlikely buy used, and would spend weeks deciding upon due to the multitude of functions (that I mostly don’t need). The cost would be at least 3x more for the hardware. I was concerned my Das was noisy being so close to the Mac, but have since bought a high quality usb C cable 2m in length and run it through the wall to the room next door 😂. Regarding spinning disc reliability, do they fail more quickly if kept running, or more often if left parked. I guess the answer is “it depends” lol

[@tokyojerry]

One caveat with a DAS vs NAS is the inability to access your home network resources remotely while OTG, unless of course you sign up for a paid subscription service.

[@john_hind]

The whole reason I started looking at NAS is, because Apple! But very little KZbin material about NAS options seems to be Apple focussed. Apple's internal storage pricing is so outrageously gougy that even expensive NAS solutions look like good value in comparison! What I was looking for was a box with a number of SSD slots for the first-tier storage and one or two hot-swap HD caddies for off-line backup. It would have a fast thunderbolt connection for the Mac mini that is my main workhorse plus a network connection to make the same data available to my other machines (1GB would be fine for this, but 10GB would be nice for future-proofing). The main benefit of the NAS is to make the same data available to everything, and the ability to autonomously handle backup to the second and third (cloud) tiers. I did not find anything meeting my specifications and found instead alarming numbers of comments about compatibility problems working in the Apple ecosystem. I ended up assembling my own DAS with a two bay HD enclosure and two separate Thunderbolt 4 enclosures with 4TB SSDs inside. I still think the industry is missing an opportunity to produce a modest capacity but high performance NAS system on this scale specifically for the Apple market!

[@tomschmidt381]

We have used a recycled PC as a home server for years. Currently I set up a Thinkpad T420 laptop running Win 10 as a poor mans home server. Main use is as the destination of automatic backups from my wife and my computers. To do this I stuck a large HDD in the DVD drive bay, main drive I converted to an SSD. Beside file sharing the server also runs a NTP time server and private web server with a bunch of static info. Glad you touched on power consumption. I used to use an old recycled desktop as our home server but switched to a laptop to save power. The downside strategy of this is if a voltage surge that destroys all the electronics at home we are out of luck. To address that risk I occasionally use a USB drive to copy files on the server and keep it unplugged. So other than a house fire we are good. I don't really see the need for a NAS but perhaps I'm missing something.

[@mattmastler6735]

Install a voltage relay to protect the whole house from a power surge. I don't see a problem

[@tomschmidt381]

@@mattmastler6735 We have a bunch of high end point of use surge protectors that have a relay to disconnect the load in the event of unusual power line conditions. They are in addition to whole house surge protection. That being said in 1992 the utility transformer that feeds our house took a direct lighting hit. I was picking up pieces of exploded porcelain lightning arrester out of our yard for months after. I doubt any relay is fast enough and also able to quench the arc to be useful 100% of the time.

[@peterschmidt9942]

We have always had a lot of power surges and blackouts being rural. For that reason, I bought a small UPS to help aviate when the power pops off for a couple seconds so my computer gear (NAS, PC's, Router, Modem) doesn't get interrupted. Saves the headache of waiting for the modem and router rebooting constantly while the powers playing silly buggers.

[@bartus88]

Just bought the components for my first NAS, which will arrive tomorrow. Guess I'll send them back.

[@whya2ndaccount]

"Put it on a plane and 5hrs later you get your drive" - I'm guessing that's not including Customs and Couriers at both ends (add several days)?

[@stonehenge313]

great discussion guys!

[@GregoryLopeman]

You guys are the absolute best! I really appreciate the content in all its forms. Thank you so much for what you do.

[@DrivingPhilippines]

Using Backblaze B2 to backup my DS218+, about 6TB of photos, data, family videos. Cost is about CAD$50 monthly. Still torn between having to buy an additional NAS, put in a different location, power, internet etc. Would set me back about $800 plus extra monthly costs. I've had WD 4tb USB drives but have filled them up, and also a real risk of theft or even damage due to flooding or extreme heat. Question: Keep paying monthly for offsite backups to B2, or buy a separate NAS to backup to?

[@RandomNoob]

A NAS and Tailscale is just as simple and straightforward as using cloud storage even when away.

[@john_in_phoenix]

I prefer wireguard myself, but you are correct. When traveling, using wireguard to encrypt everything is quite useful.

[@RandomNoob]

​@@john_in_phoenixTailscale uses wireguard anyway so the actual data link is exactly the same, the main benefit is the coordination server which means you don't have to punch a hole through your local firewall and it even works behind CG-NAT.

[@bikerchrisukk]

I sometimes wonder what would have happened if I hadn't gone NAS (for biz and personal). I used to have a retired Windows workstation that had plenty of space for drives. I had 6 x 2-3TB drives full of data and used BackBlaze to back it up, it was convenient - have more data, buy another hard drive. I used Cloud for 'live' folders/files and had 1TB Google and 25GB of Dropbox. Because I mainly used Dropbox, I was always having to move files to Google, then to retired workstation. It was tedious, but it worked and it was cheap.

[@maz_uwu]

Speaking of a DAS, what are the best options? There’s way less info out there on these devices. I want to take my stack of random external SSDs and move to a cleaner and more reliable/redundant setup but I don’t need networked access at all

[@PlayingItWrong]

I wish you'd told me this first!

[@littleshubunkin7926]

I have a large photo collection. I have copies of it locally, in Apple iCloud, and a synology NAS. Just to be safe.

[@myhometvaccount9365]

for the majority of home/home busines users with one pc/laptop backblaze unlimted personal backup at $100 a year is a real no brainer, simple install etc with no need for techy input

[@jonesconrad1]

I just bought a thunderbolt enclosure , and share it off the mac studio, its small enough to fit in my bag so i take it with me if i want to use from the laptop away from the house.

[@ProtouchCarCare]

What enclosure did you buy?

[@haydenlee8332]

The biggest reason someone might not need a NAS: *Your files are nowhere near exceeding 2TB.* at that point, you can just carry around an external HDD/SSD. They are quieter, more compact, and more portable (and these can easily handle up to 4TB these days). HOWEVER... things change if your files start approaching 4TB or larger, because there really isn't any external HDD/SSD larger than 4TB at all, or portable enough. Also, if you intend to use external HDD/SSD between multiple OS, you are still stuck with ExFAT file system.

[@peterschmidt9942]

Seagate do a small 5TB drive and have done for a few years now. Although it can be cheaper buying the 2TB drives if they're on sale

[@jorelplay8738]

Having multiple external drives die on me, losing everything on them, I'll never trust anything to an external HDD/flash drive

[@dæmnKris]

I'm buying a NAS because I want to build another computer and my desktop is already epic. I just have a 14TB HDD in my desktop that is almost full, gonna be nice with 36TB more usable storage in Z2. Gonna be fun to learn TrueNAS too, haven't really messed with ZFS and pools and such before.

[@davidtucker4044]

Sometimes life is not about need but about want. I want a new NAS!!

[@adelalatawi3363]

is this april 1st?

[@BobboNaught-YT]

Btw, I think Tailscale is making remotely accessing our NAS easier than ever, and more secure than ever

[@boeingfan7179]

I think the cloud options suck, but as someone with a Synology NAS I have to say I’ve never know a single piece of tech that has confused me more than it does. I did not find it simple to set up nor do I find it simple to know if it is running as optimally or securely as it should be.

[@DavidM2002]

I can just see your new YT channel : YouDoNotNeedANASCompares

[@nascompares]

Don't temp me Dave...I have £20 in my wallet and I can access crazy domains, just like anybody else....

[@7rich79]

A couple of other arguments against NAS, for arguments sake: - ease of use: I can ask a "normie" to download an app for a cloud service, and setup is limited to having credentials. NAS, however much wizard based many are, is not something eaily guided over the phone. - availability and reliability. The likelihood of a distributed datacenter going down is likely less than the device in your home dying. And then, the delay in getting access to your data again is going to be shorter for a cloud solution, and without needing to involve support centres or sending any devices back. For me personally, the way I utilise my NAS there is simply no way a cloud service would be able to replace it at a reasonable cost.

[@Nikke-ym4wp]

I've been wanting to build a NAS for a while now, but I haven't because of cost and i don't have much usage atm.

[@Вадим-к6ж8р]

Hello. What headset do you use on this video? Is your voice recorded over it's microphone or another one?

[@GroundDwellerStudioS]

Well, I have photo backup and movies and TV and music on mine. But I probably didn't need the second one... 😅

[@annebokma4637]

A nas could power down HD when they aren't used? Have a few ssd and use HD for colder storage and copies. Besides, just as a DAS a NAS can be turned off when jot needed/in use. Or is there a reason it shouldn't? After a flooding on the ground floor my nas on my first floor was rurned of for 6 months, no problem at all

[@RealLordy]

At 7:00 ; Indeed. This is why I will never buy NAS appliances. I will be bashed for this: but if you think about it, most people use Windows as a daily driver operating system. It has all NAS functionality in it you require as a home user or small business user: Storage Spaces. In its simplest setup you use a 2 way mirror with just 2 disks. If the computer fails: just hook up the drives to another windows machine. The volume gets detected and you are back up and running in less than 15 minutes. Yes, this way you loose 50 percent of storage capacity, but it is no fuzz and requires almost zero knowledge and you are not really locked in (well, ye, you need to have a windows machine, but who does not have a laptop or desktop with win10 or win11 on it around? I do understand it does not have the performance and capabilities of e.g. true nas etc... . However, if you are purely talking about storage, plain simple storage: this really is the most simple solution possible and accessible to most of the people? No? I do run a NAS in my basement based on Windows server. The part that is used solely for storage is built as described above. Tested even the moving of the HDs to another machine just running the win10 desktop OS: zero issues. Never ever faced issues with NAS or backups of the NAS. Hell, Windows 11 even supports data deduplication in addition to the above 🙂. Might be worth doing a video on both Win11 and Server 2025 on how to setup storage environment. And when doing a vid on Server 2025, please do include info on how to setup a tiered system for mirroring (and include info on advantages/disadvantages of using multiple columns in the setup)

[@Nedski42YT]

If you can connect processor controlled device to another processor controlled device you have a "Networked Attached Storage" device. The "Cloud" IS just another NAS. The more specific question is what kind of NAS do I want in my local network? I have multiple computers connected to my local network. They are all running some version of Microsoft Windows. The performance and price is sufficient for my needs. Third party hardware with a unique fork of Linux does not seem to meet MY needs.

[@DavidM2002]

Even if you can't otherwise rationalize a NAS, just spent a few hundred dollars to buy a small Synology NAS and run Active Backup For Business to backup all of the computers in your home. The next time one of them irretrievably crashes and burns, those few hundred dollars might just be the best money you ever spent to be able to run a bare metal restore. QNAP has a similar backup method. And if your business or employment depends on that computer, time is money and that lost earnings stream might easily pay for that NAS. I recently had one of my desktop apps get completely trashed. It took about 30 minutes to get my desktop back to where it was prior to where it was the night before. That was worth hundreds of dollars to me. Think of your NAS, in this setting, as an insurance policy that you hope you never need.

[@v2joecr]

Durability is not better if you are using solid-state drives as all solid-state drives that I know of have data rot where if it doesn't get power periodically, the data can just disappear over time.

[@lavavex]

I don’t need a nas, I need a server

[@TrTai]

I do think 2 main things that I very much disagree with, personally, cloud services run a non-zero risk of just evicting you without your data, or in the bit more likely case, you just losing access if something happens and you cannot log back in. Could be something as simple as fat fingering your birthdate on sign up so they can't verify that it's you when you try and recover. Most people will be fine for as long as it matters and that's important to consider too, but how much are you going to hate forgetting to back up your kid's precious moments and something does happen down the road, just something to measure against. Secondly, while you should absolutely have fully offline backups of anything important, and there is some data that should only be online when it is needed, there's a lot that can go wrong only keeping a flash drive or an HDD on a shelf for extended amounts of time, certain pieces of media hold up better to the conditions than others, my family keeps copies on DVDs as well for example and there's still issues but they've held up for about 10 years, but HDDs I've gone back after about 2 or 3 and they no longer work repeatedly, either corruption, physical issues or what not, good ssds should generally hold up a deal better. Still I think every point made here is important to consider especially where the barrier for entry is there, even if it's just frontloaded then it sits on autopilot for the rest of it's life.

[@michaelrousseau4373]

Data rot is a real thing not necessarily a good idea to let a drive sit on a shelf for 10 years with out regular data checks

[@drac.96]

I ordered a NAS TODAY, and I see THIS.

[@scottekoontz]

Our will arrive this week. I love these discussions, and we've been through most of the pro/con already.

[@BLUEONEHYGRA]

Its also do i need more/bigger NAS? It is getting expensive really fast when you really need more space. Or just buy a Usb HDD as cold storage?!

[@BenReese]

Oh, Eddie DOES exist!! He's mentioned in every video, but I just assumed he was your AI assistant or something 😜

[@nascompares]

Nope, he's super real. Does a tonne of stuff on NASCompares.com, as well as the Digibite YT channel

[@flyingdragoncar4975]

I use cold storage and have no use for a NAS. I have 3 copys of every TB . Which i update every week. i honestly don't want the extra power bill.

[@haukikannel]

So I am expecting the next part… whe you need nas.. or when it start to make Sense!

[@elai3147]

a rackmounted nas looks really good though

[@Digital-Dan]

NOW you tell me!

[@robertnewtonlektrikpuke9666]

first time voting negative on one of your videos. like below, subscription service/cloud - never, never, never. I won't even justify myself if you don't know why. More than one computer in the house, you NEED a nas. want to keep everything accessable to everyone/thing on you LAN, you need a nas. I'm tired already.

[@wretchedworm]

so what is the best DAS for single user home user?

[@Andy-fd5fg]

At the most basic level... any USB 3 (Doesn’t have to be USB-C) spinning rust drive, from any of the big players. For longer term data integrity spinning rust is still the way to go. SSD and Flash drives need power now and then to refresh themselves. Don't be fooled by any of these unbranded devices. They may be cheap.... but you have to ask yourself why they are cheap?

[@rufus_mcdufus]

I would love not to have a NAS . My requirements, mainly for my wife who is a photographer, are good/multiple backups and network access at home from several devices. Once I can finally get decent broadband with maybe gigabit upload/download then cloud could solve the network access issue, but we’d still need a nice and easy backup strategy in addition to cloud. I like to think there is a better IT solution waiting to be developed, but NASes are the best we have for the time being. It’s frustrating.

[@madfury3179]

You didnt make any numbers to compare prices of local storage, NAS and subscriptions.

[@dave24-73]

Only a fool backs up to the cloud. Cheap to get it up there and an arm and a leg to get it back. Not to mention you have no idea what they do with it. Once you add subscription costs, it works out cheaper to get a NAS. Most NAS sip power these days. Worried about mechanical use SSDs. In my experience you don’t need special drives, I use regular ones and 10 years on no issues.

[@peterschmidt9942]

I think it depends on the drive manufacturer. I had a regular Seagate external backup drive hooked up to my NAS to do weekkly mirror backups. After about 18months of being on 24/7, that drive just stopped working. No indication things were going bad, just couldn't access it one day and backups were failing. I thought maybe the power supply - nope. USB interface - Nope. Couldn't access any data on it at all.

[@luminaire7085]

So no point to a have a NAS channel then eh?!! Cheers from Canada.

[@organismseven3700]

I was waiting for the UGreen NASync DXP4800 Plus to be sold in the UK. It nows seems to be vapourware. Can't find it for sale anywhere. Was it just a kickstarter experiment by UGreen? Have they stopped manufacturing and selling them? Did they discover issues that they need to fix? Will they ever be available again? Anybody have any answers?

[@darrenhaken]

I think you can buy them in the UK?

[@IamShopping]

I think Ugreen realized that it needs the next generation already. While HW is not bad, the feature configurations are lackluster. They just can't compete with Qnap, Asustor, and others. 4800 Plus doesn't even have PCIe extension port. Qnap's competitor has one (TS-464). And Asustor (Lockerstor 4 Gen2) additionally to PCIe even has 4 M.2 option (4 HDD + 4 M.2). Ugreen has inferior HW configuration and inferior SW. It should introduce upgraded generation to be able to compete. So, my guess is Ugreen works on the next gen and halted production of existing one.

[@LiLBitsDK]

I feel attacked :D of course I need a NAS :D and first

[@LiLBitsDK]

and sending 100GB data takes what? 10min? it takes a helluwa lot longer to fly... sure if we talk 100TB... but he did say 100GB..

[@taffyinla]

@@LiLBitsDK have you tried getting 100GB uploaded from a Vegas hotel wifi during CES. It can take all night and it may fail multiple times. It really is bad.

[@LiLBitsDK]

@@taffyinla I have 100GB data on my cellphone... would be done in a jiffy ;-)

[@taffyinla]

@@LiLBitsDK Sadly that's questionable too. CES brings in 140,000+ people on top of the normal load on the cell networks. With all those people, the cell networks tend to grind to a crawl especially for upload. Even with bonded cellular, it can be tough to get 20-30 mbit upload reliably.

[@prime_dew]

well my pc is semi nas/home server at this point

[@D.hodge87]

Plex says otherwise…

[@debugin1227]

Real homelabbers run sans

[@superapecross]

My ears think you might want to buy a compressor, please.

[@alain-m2t]

Reason to have one: daily backup, never use their surveillance cloud services This channel is sold out to big brother

[@nascompares]

Wait ..what? How? Elaborate

[@alain-m2t]

@@nascompares I never followed any of your big brother recommendation - none! I guess it is the same for normal people who just try to survive and have some secured network and some low cost backup.

[@anaesthetics]

​@@alain-m2thard to tell what you're upset about here.

[@mico5003]

Please don’t do stupid thumpnails!

[@robertt9342]

Great points… unsubscribed 😂

[@nascompares]

Nooo.... *waves sadly in the rain*

[@11ThreeDoctor]

...heres why you don't need this channel! UNSUBSCRIBE.

[@nascompares]

I kinda hoped the irony of the title was enough to make the point

[@11ThreeDoctor]

@@nascompares X-Apple Employee here, Jobs Time period. I'm just saying too :) I found my Fav tea sipping NASGuru while acquiring my Ugreen NAS 4800+ IF your curious I AM the 113th face job of your fav DOCTOR. DOWN to the point that I completely live it and BBC is the only one I grant my life to tell after I Disappear. Live too long...

[@alch3mi5t.]

if you think you might need a NAS, build a NAS. Easy as that, BUT, If you think you can't build a NAS or learn to, you don't need a NAS.

[@rssvg]

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