You Don't Need Carbon // The Knolly Chilcotin

[@VanCan]

Norco Sight, Rocky Mountain Slayer, and more here! kzbin.info/aero/PLtEmaErO4luRKa6prfoLSmSjCqe474WAe

[@WildMeff]

The fact that VanCan just does a casual bike spec breakdown while sending jumps, drops, and crazy skinnies kills me everytime. Dude is such a beast

[@JonnyNorthmore]

Tyre logos aren't lined up with the valves. Literally unrideable.

[@oliverbourne9599]

😄😄😄😄

[@antoanangelov5672]

Agreed

[@BikingwithJP]

he's weight balance the wheels 😉

[@barrysidings615]

Jonny Northmore gonna handle like a pig!

[@tonykasunic1]

This

[@swankysnail]

Man you seemed incredibly comfortable on that bike compared to the enduro.

[@connorarmstrong1308]

@@alexkane84you know nothing about the story, noel invented a new suspension design and patented it, then it was used by intense without permission and now as a reasonable company would do they are suing intense for patent infringement. also there is a lot more to the patent than what was mentioned in the pinkbike article

[@repp181]

@@alexkane84 loool you seem pretty salty Alex, need a little bit of pepper with that?

[@repp181]

@@alexkane84 alright take care young man

[@repp181]

@@alexkane84 lol and they faked the moon landing?😅

[@repp181]

@@alexkane84 ahahah wow the 'your mom' comments now ! You just lost the tiny bit of credibility you had left. Go to sleep now kid.

[@DeadsetYT]

Riding in the wet & killing those skinnys. You are genuinely insane. Love ya work mate!!

[@zacg2953]

4:39 "this rock? its not perfect for anything... its *meant* to be avoided" cmon man why are you bullying a rock lmao

[@raivkka4313]

After cracking my Carbon frame I went to a Knolly, don't see myself going back to carbon. Knolly's are rugged & high quality. One thing they are is a heavy frame so I would suggest building with the lightest wheelset for your application. After dropping the Knolly on some sharp edge granite and getting barely a scratch, I feel I have made the best purchase for me.

[@BikingwithJP]

How did you crack your carbon frame?

[@antoanangelov5672]

@@BikingwithJP 2 feet drop probably. Or he sneezed too hard

[@raivkka4313]

@@BikingwithJP Not sure, noticed it while riding across a flat smooth hiking trail but probably dropping the bike. I'm a 60 year old XC rider so I'm not a shredder, which is why I was so upset about the breakage. The exact part that broke was the seatube on the rear triangle.

[@BikingwithJP]

@@raivkka4313 wow so fragile sounding, I would have been very frustrated and angry in your position too!!

[@mauort6870]

In defense of carbon and Knolly.. Not all carbon is created equally. My 2019 Knolly carbon Warden is a fricken tank. I cased a huge gap drop - in a viscuous fashion-I'm talking concussion ,torn shoulder, bruised hip. A lesser bike would have lost the head tube.. my Knolly was unperturbed. Still shredding

[@7dragongames]

Knolly and Banshee make the sickest Alloy bikes for sure.

[@nhuknhuk2729]

I ride a Knolly Warden for 3 years now. I still love it❤️ Nice Video by the way

[@evolution2ride]

Thanks for turning me on to Kinetic cycles. They had a bike I was searching high and low for. I would not have found them if it wasn’t for you and now my son will have the bike we have been holding out for! 😄

[@owenkennedy7854]

I’ve always wanted a knolly, this bike seems like it would b perfect for me. Imma have to look into it.

[@bigalmartin1]

Just got a 2020 Warden LT a couple months back. Knolly definitely puts out solid quality product.

[@mauort6870]

I have a Warden carbon 2019. Dreams. My riding skipped levels just from added trust in the bike really building my confidence

[@owenkennedy7854]

@@mauort6870 I believe it. Some of the dopest looking and best performing bikes ever. Iconic af too.

[@bigalmartin1]

@@owenkennedy7854 Clearly AK has some issues with Knolly.....LOL

[@mauort6870]

@@alexkane84 you seem to know the whole story.. I'll definitely defer to your council.

[@VincentJGoh]

I wanna see you on that new Norco Shore. Also alloy-only, and the Shore-2 has a sick paintjob.

[@kaifassett6408]

you should demo a commencal clash or meta if it’s available

[@charlielehan1017]

definetly, love my 21 meta

[@mrvwbug4423]

@@charlielehan1017 Amazed you were able to get one, they are backlogged until march according to their website

[@charlielehan1017]

@@mrvwbug4423 pretty much everywhere is. I pre-ordered one a couple months ago

[@lima.duduardo]

8:21 THIS WAS AWESOME!!!! Cheers from Brazil, Nic

[@eppelster]

ordered mine coming in december . cant wait just love to ride

[@DJDJ-qd8uo]

The trail and ambience looks so great here, 8:30

[@colecampagna6302]

I’m rough on bikes and will absolutely keep buying aluminum frames 🤘🏽

[@mattf8736]

Remember last year when he said he was going to get a alloy bike next year, I think we know what he is getting.

[@shanecurnyn4612]

Super fun to watch. You look really at home on the knolly

[@repp181]

that 8:15 to 9:15 stretch was pretty cool!

[@CornellHarris]

Loving all 35lbs of my alu transition patrol. Pedals great uphill and plows on the down!

[@LastAphelion]

Still rockin it? Would you get it again

[@CornellHarris]

@@LastAphelion Definitely!

[@jamesbrettjarvis5050]

ive never understud why knollys arnt more populor there beautiful, PYGA bikes also beautuful but rare ,they both get solid reviews as wel,both do raw finish frames sexy as hell

[@shemshem9998]

everyone: wait, so it's not necessary to have carbon? me, someone with a sub 3k budget: always has been.

[@alexkirby280]

have you had a look at privatier bikes 2.9 k decent bikes and alloy

[@clmfilms8103]

Than there's me riding my hardtail....

[@nosreuter]

Sweet indeed! Would be surprised if this won't be re-presented in your 2021 "new bike day" video ;)

[@NickyNicest]

Might be regretting that after the broken evil

[@DRSpalding]

A leeettle too much back brake there at 10:44 on the wet wood, eh Nic! Wild ride!

[@_Vicarious]

I've got one ordered. January can't come quick enough.

[@mbelfry]

Did you debate much between this and the Fugi LT ?

[@_Vicarious]

@@mbelfry No not really. The Fugitive LT has a little more overlap with one of my other bikes. I've been waiting for Knolly to specifically release a bike like this Chilcotin so I didn't hesitate when it was announced.

[@mbelfry]

Ya, right on. How tall are you and what size did you order?

[@_Vicarious]

@@mbelfry I'm 6'3 and ordered an XL

[@VelkePivo]

Me too. Just ordered a large frame in raw.

[@nicom4996]

Amazing riding mate, can't wait to ride my bike again

[@forestinfocus1926]

This makes me want to shred! 🔥

[@matrixracing8268]

I was watching this and thought it was a 2022 video 😄

[@ronsanderson99]

Some big sends!

[@thepedalsadvocate7389]

Kinetic Cycles and Lynn Valley Bikes are my favorite bike shops. And a BIG shout out to Giant White Rock.

[@whatgoesup8972]

Such good riding! I haven't been down Ned's in years, that bike and your riding seems to smooth it right out - nice!

[@repp181]

whats the name of the trail and here can I find it?

[@alexharro]

Lookin real good on that bike 🤙

[@tackhammer222]

Found your channel earlier today, amazing! What a rider you are! Sub'd!!

[@adam7x1x54]

That berm jump gap was sweet

[@Josh-bz3he]

That same short ladder bridge on Neds almost ate me last week. Lol.

[@ncadvr]

you should have 624k subs, I am shocked you don't have more. Keep up the great content.

[@Willemmoseley]

Your ride this sooo much better than the Enduro. Nee bike time!

[@hammyh1165]

Cube does a nice alloy 170mm 29er with top end kit for the same job , brilliant downhill and not too bad uphill. I have a couple of friends with them and they love them.

[@MrSupermugen]

cube are stuck in 2016 with their geo.

[@kyleglaab7555]

Nice riding!

[@roondoggers87]

Love Knolly. I ride the Endorphin and don't see myself ever changing brands. They have unbelievable traction.

[@janetcharlish6483]

I feel ya! I have a Delirium and I definitely will be sticking to Knolly for my next bike

[@mauort6870]

Same with my Warden. Though i am a little pissed thst Noel has zero intention of building an e bike

[@bensun432]

This bike looks too good!!

[@matthew_dag6201]

Hub sounds so good

[@dougr550]

Interesting that they went 10mm shorter reach on this than the Warden. Everything about this bike just looks right and you sound like you're in love!

[@nostr8ghtlinzs596]

Whatching jump off trail and back on i was like dam.... thanks some good riding! Not like I could ride that trail to start with...

[@trailladymtb7700]

looked effortless! I really like this bike. I hope you get this one. But the Rocky's are pretty good.

[@lukelackermayer]

Can you do a wet weather gear riding vid? what gear you wear to stay dry.

[@VanCan]

NF makes the gear I use! bit.ly/Ride-NF

[@BasicBodThor]

Just picked one of these up from Kinetic Cycles. Definitely don't ride like you right now, but I aspire to haha.

[@VanCan]

Nice! It’s a sick bike!

[@baddriversofcolga]

I completely agree on wishing there were more nicely spec'ed aluminum bikes. I personally think carbon is overhyped, and I kinda wish it didn't exist as I think aluminum represents a better value for most people. Not to mention how much easier it is to recycle than carbon if it does break... And now it seems we have a trend of more bikes only being released with carbon frames which is sad to see.

[@chawkins45ify]

please demo a evil wreckoning v3 and a slash. I'm stuck between those and a warden mullet

[@anthonyfonzi5031]

Bike looks pretty sick.. A couple questions. 1. How tall are you and what size are you riding and 2. Does the bike feel composed in fast tech? I am looking for a bigger bike to compliment my SC hightower and my one issue with my hightower is it can feel a little nervous at speed in tech.

[@VanCan]

6ft. Large. I thought it was stable. Maybe less so than the enduro but not enough to care.

[@mtbville]

Excellent video 🤩 trail looks fun too 🤙

[@slain27]

omg.... after 18 years im moving back to the lower mainland.... i need to know where these trails are

[@MrOlafMat]

If you ever get a chance, try Kross Moon. They are a Polish make and could be hard to get near you, however I am in love with their suspension design (RVS). They only make alu frames of those but come in 3 specs/pricepoints. I got the cheapest one but am upgrading it part by part. Anyway, cheers from Poland!

[@oliverbourne9599]

Wheelbase and Reach is very very small by modern standards on them though don't you think ? 458 reach and 1215 wheelbase on a L !?!?

[@AndZzo101]

Nice bike! Great riding in the wet dude! Noice

[@Tdezayo]

Idk man, Specialized says I need a full carbon run bike 🤷‍♂️

[@nate390]

The top tier aluminum frames (Knolly, Banshe, Canfield) make me sweaty. The raw aluminum is too sexy.

[@antoanangelov5672]

I know right I was considering banshee legend for next bike but the geometry look a bit old

[@funband1t198]

Have you seen the Last Coal? Enduro Frame in AL with a weight of 2.9kg.. But I think they dont ship to NA

[@nate390]

@@antoanangelov5672 They recently redesigned it I believe, its right there with other DH bikes, possibly slacker than most.

[@BikingwithJP]

5:55 - you handle those wet skinnies like they are nothing! 7:10 - the tree split open is my favourite skinny and the series at 7:30

[@bentyler5704]

OOOOOOFFFFF 37 pounds for both bikes wow. Mine is 33/34 thought it was heavy lol.

[@hunterwright386]

Same here

[@andrewmaljaars2693]

My v1 Knolly Warden is just over 29lbs. Going 29er sure seems to add a lot of weight.

[@bentyler5704]

@@andrewmaljaars2693 I just ordered a Yeti sn150 which is 19er but only weighs like 31 or 32 pounds. 29er and how the design the frame make a difference.

[@cwalt74]

not much lighter than my DH bike....doh

[@darrinkulyk9560]

My CW is 25Lbs Just Got It Weighed it At Work .... ill have it in the 24s NP 😎FAST Bike

[@patrickjaquemet9732]

How does it compare to the warden you reviewed last year? If you remember how that thing went anyways 😅

[@gamaportales6113]

Nice vid! Which trail was this?

[@davidhargrave778]

Try an get your hands on a Raww Madonna, I'd be interested to here your opinion on it, its a big enduro rig more akin to your enduro than this bike. Sick video!

[@jeroenhoogendoorn6942]

You should demo the 2021 trek slash

[@tonykasunic1]

This

[@davidhughes7856]

nice save at 1045ish

[@kendragon7768]

Anyone See how much more poppy and excited Van was?

[@geneuter6327]

Hello, How tall are you and what size of bike do you tested? I am 5'10 and exactly between Size M and L in their size chart. I think the seated position on size L is a bit to streched out because of the long top tube. What do you think?

[@tomquick7422]

Knolly for your next bike?

[@THEholmeat873]

Great vid bro

[@michael1617]

You should switch to this bike you look way more comfortable

[@lukeservedio69]

I think I've watched pretty much all of your test ride videos several times and it seems, of all of the bikes you've ridden, you got along with the Chilcotin best. You seem to be super confident on this bike, so I'm curious why you didn't end up getting one. I'm considering one of these (in 151 config) but also a Sight as an aggressive trail bike for big mountain rides. Any thoughts?

[@VanCan]

I like the chilcotin a lot, but the 167 config was a lot of bike to haul around for me. I'd like to try it in the 151 with some lighter tires.

[@patrickrobinson4073]

Great videos! I'm actually trying to decide between a chilcotin and an enduro. Which bike is the better climber? My local DH park has lots of steep jank, is the chilcotin a better jank crusher?

[@VanCan]

The enduro is a bit stiffer so feels snappier on the climb, but the chilcotin feels so plush on the descent.

[@patrickrobinson4073]

@@VanCan thanks!

[@stevenjam7119]

Which did you prefer the warden or the chilcotin? I got the new warden then the chil came out and im thinkin of switching....or owning both lol

[@VanCan]

I liked the Chilcotin a lot more

[@stevenjam7119]

@@VanCan well shit lol. Thanks for reply man

[@JaggedTusk]

How would the Chilcotin do as a park bike? I'm considering buying a downhill bike but I'm not keen on the idea of having a bike that sits unridden for 9 months of the year.

[@VanCan]

It would do great in the park!

[@JaggedTusk]

@@VanCan I think the Chilcotin is also dual crown compatible if my hands are getting too beat up with a 170 Zeb.

How bout the Fuji Rakan/Auric LT?

[@jasongauthier9942]

Anyone try the 150 rear config? If so, initial thoughts?

[@James-dn1hu]

Similar to commencal that they’re sticking with aluminium and make some proper high end bikes. Also they’re quite heavy.

[@antoanangelov5672]

U killed me at the end 😞

[@antoanangelov5672]

Weight winnie

[@James-dn1hu]

@@antoanangelov5672 nah I’m not a weight weenie I’m just stating it for the people out there who are. Personally I think a lighter bike feels too skittish and with less traction

[@erikerdyana7946]

Hai!! Im from Indonesia.

[@watsonthedog264]

“My current Enduro build, with a carbon frame, wheels and handlebars only weighs a fraction of a pound less” Me: Oh ok that must be like 33ish pounds with how burly it is. “They both come in around 37 pounds” Me, but annoying this time: 37 pounds? Good god, well that’s why, you’ve got a heavy bike

[@darrinkulyk9560]

My CarbonWarden Is 25 lbs

[@stevenjam7119]

Fuck i just got a warden hahaha

[@kimballrippy4452]

24t chainring?

[@peterzajaczkowski7411]

Can you ride and review the commencal meta am 29??!! pls pls pls I have a clash now. Pls ride the meta am 29

[@bananna856]

@VanCan. You Don't Need Carbon....but you need to pay the carbon price!!😅😂

[@lukelackermayer]

i want more bikes made with longer wheel bases because this didn't even look like a 29er until you told me!

[@cesarivansuarezgarza2333]

Do you think that’s similar to commencal bikes??

[@VanCan]

Never ridden one

[@cesarivansuarezgarza2333]

@@VanCan future review on one?? :)

[@chawkins45ify]

how did it compare to the warden you rode?

[@VanCan]

I like this a lot more

[@chawkins45ify]

@@VanCan any specifics why? I've been thinking of a warden mullet for handling but this bike seems pretty solid as is

[@HowToGetMoreMetal]

Ripper!

[@VelkePivo]

Size large? Sorry if I missed it.

[@VanCan]

Ya. I’m 6ft and was on a large

[@GustavoGarcia-xy2fu]

Would you go 151 or 167 in the rear? Why?

[@VanCan]

151 I think. Just better for all around riding

[@GustavoGarcia-xy2fu]

@@VanCan thanks!!

[@jacobklessens5959]

How does it compare to your Capra?

[@xotiic592]

Did he get a new bike

[@maximosmorgan9727]

Are you testing out this bike in November/December?

[@TekNullOG]

He posted 5 days ago, Dave has a jacket on and it’s wet so I’d say yes.

[@MrManderson75]

#noplasticbikes !!

[@mtb_ryds]

You always need carbon. Fantastic plastic is life. Metal is dead to me.

[@darrinkulyk9560]

The Vibe From CF Is Awesome I LOVE IT 😎

[@swietiboyxd]

How is the pedaling of the new Chilcotin compared to e. g. a Specialized Enduro, a Santa Cruz Megatower or other comparable bikes? I've read, that Knollys 4by4-Supspension design follows a different philosophy. I am usually pedaling on wide open footpaths like fire roads to get to the trail entrances.

[@VanCan]

It pedals pretty well but a little worse than the enduro and mega.

[@swietiboyxd]

@@VanCan thanks for your evaluation! I will keep that in mind and I hope to hope to get my own hands on one Chilcotin any time soon 🙃🙃

[@fergthefreerider6333]

11:32 u can see how big the gopro effect is here

[@bk83082]

There are many riders out there who will never spend more than $2-3k on a bike, so we are all very relieved to know that carbon is not an essential necessity.

[@meganNefarious]

Not essential, but very nice ; )

[@bk83082]

@@meganNefarious yeah I'm not a carbon hater, it's an excellent material. But the title of the video says "you don't need carbon" as though prevailing logic suggests otherwise. Another youtuber said "make sure you have an enduro bike with 160mm of travel for this trail" which is ideal, but I rode that trail in the 90s on a hardtail with cantilever brakes. My point is that elitism in the sport is the norm, and I don't think people realize that poor people like mountain biking too.

[@hunterwright386]

37lbs?!?

[@nicolocano5012]

Try commencal meta am

[@prslol1]

I'm here for the fake cracked frame stories (or the ones where they conveniently leave out dead sailoring into the back of a landing) in the comments where people act like carbon is glass.

[@tmaskaly_15]

You should get a Pyga Slakline. It is aluminum and super sick! I felt so smooth and comfortable on it compared to my Yt jeffsy. It is also a better climber. I can throw that thing around so easily and it is so fun to ride. If I were you I would look into them. Their Instagram is: @pygausa

[@tmaskaly_15]

Best bike I have ever ridden. My friend likes it better than his Capra and Zink’s old tues that he has.