You Don't Need College to be a Project Manager

[@jkbrown5496]

The only thing a college credential gets you is the check off on the HR spreadsheet. In the past, up to about 1972, a college degree was a relative guarantee of a good job. But that's 50 years ago. But even a century ago, professor Percy Marks looked into what a college "education" gave you back then. "A man learns more about business in the first six months after his graduation than he does in his whole four years of college. But-and here is the "practical" result of his college work-he learns far more in those six months than if he had not gone to college. He has been trained to learn, and that, to all intents and purposes, is all the training he has received." --Marks, Percy, "Under Glass", Scribner's Magazine Vol 73, 1923 Outside of PECS (Physics, Engineering, Computer Science) college these days tends to impede rather than enhance the ability to learn.

[@Mslunetoile]

I liked your comment so much, that I saved it

[@cruiser6260]

The reason the professor found college grads better able to learn was because in the 20th century you had to get top grades to get into University in the first place. Today that still applies to vocational degrees. When there is an occupation that requires licensing, not everyone who wants it can make it. It isn't that people who major in whatever impossible to fail degree they do have their ability to learn stultified, they just were never especially bright to begin with. What also matters is if they are going to work in the government, they have the right indoctrination. They have been taught what to think to shape the future. We don't have a feminised world without an emphasis on women's studies in universities

[@granthill2980]

@@cruiser6260 Most college kids today go to college to party and see how many people they can screw!!! Real admirable!! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

[@dirtydan1861]

One of my coworkers has managed projects for years in engineering and does not hold a college degree. She doesn't have all of the technical know-how but is more inquisitive and knows how to read people better than most actual trained engineers (a valuable skill to have if you are in charge of people). She admittedly is a little rough around the edges but is competent at her role as a PM.

[@rh5776]

She doesn't have all the technical know-how". What did you just say? You tell this to the inspectors?

[@georged5420]

​@@rh5776I was thinking the same thing.

[@eightsprites]

I worked for those (both men and women). Its super annoying when the tech knowledge is lacking.

[@Savage_Thinker]

It's super annoying when the techs can't understand the engineers let alone people who can't understand the art or science

[@KD0MOO]

She should be fired.

[@haucks]

Be a plumber. I paid my plumber 450 bucks to fix my kitchen sink after it stopped producing hot water. I tried to fix it myself first but couldn't get it to work. It took him a little less than an hour. I make the equivalent of around 400-500 an hour as a specialist physician, but I had to go to 4 years of undergrad, 4 years of medical school, 5 years of residency, and 1 year of fellowship. During that time, I accrued over 300k of student debt, which I just finished paying off at age 39. I am not sure how long it takes to become a plumber, but I suspect its shorter than that...

[@jerad4336]

It takes 4 years to become a journeyman plumber.

[@BiffJohnsonIII]

Whats your orthopedic subspecialty?

[@idrathernot_2]

​@@jerad4336usually paid the whole way as an assistant, even better if your in an apprenticeship program of sorts.

[@GoonSquadLifeMember]

@@jerad4336 Yes, But unlike 99.999999% of college students, trade apprentices actually earn a living during that time.

[@marioarguello6989]

You volunteered to be a slave, knowingly, you only have yourself to blame.

[@francoiseeduard303]

I never went to college and it was 1 of the best decisions I’ve ever made. Have I been unemployed for the last 12 yrs? Yes. Was my last job working at a restaurant location of a certain infamous fast food chain? Yes. I still stand by my decision and don’t regret it.

[@thorstenmarquardt7274]

You are probably some humanities graduate doing a useless job that chat GPT can do faster and better

[@josiah5776]

From what I've seen from decades in the corporate world, you don't need a brain either to be a project manager. There are, of course, exceptions. The only advice my parents gave me was, "Work for the government." I didn't heed it.

[@djoh615893]

I was in the military for 16 years, and dealt with a lot folks from every walk of life both in uniform and as a civilian employee or contractor. The government ADORES corporate-speak, shiny new concepts (almost all are rehashed) with slick acronyms, and pretty much whatever would be appealing on Instagram and KZbin. If you go work for the government, you'll get tuition assistance and reimbursements on your certifications if the office isn't outright paying for you up-front. You'll get flown out to conventions and conferences that are relevant to your duties and expertise. The pay isn't the greatest, but it is better than a lot of places you could work. Many of the civilian workforce are professional enough, but you do come across some really rough people who cannot be fired for some reason. They are just.... there.

[@savioblanc]

You don't need college to be a project manager - absolutely right. The problem is you do need to show that you have a Degree in Project Management from an accredited university to get hired as a Project Manager. So in the end, yes, you do need the college degree to get your foot in the field you wanna make your money in.

[@christofl6523]

This is what the "no college" crowd never considers.

[@bluephoenix8470]

No you don't. There are tens of thousands of Indians on Linked-In who just have their degree from some no name school in India. They are Director, VPs and Project Managers. They simply get on with the American subsidiary in India and then transfer over here. They are put in charge of big projects.

[@savioblanc]

@@bluephoenix8470 you didn't refute my main point, which is - you need a university degree on your CV to show you are "qualified". Of course, an accredited university is usually a better option but as long as you show there is a degree, you will be more likely to be hired than showing no degree qualification, wherever the heck you got it from

[@noname75013]

I have a MBA and a PMP and BSEE and MSEE (elec. Eng.) + a professional engineering license... when I got hit with a layoff due to Corp restructuring my education and credentials did not help. I had to start over in a new field and build back up. In retrospect I have mixed thoughts about the amount of education I went through. One one hand I can't do what I do without it.... but I know my creativity, imagination, and optimism was beat out of me. I don't know exactly the correct answer but I'm sure it depends on each person and falls between the two extreams. U need enough so you aren't a dumbass but not so much that you become a dumbass.

[@idrathernot_2]

I have a PMP too, he's mad if I don't have enough money by midnight..

[@mattjagger4360]

I was a tradesman from 16 - 35 some years I earnt 120k (UK) bricklayer, plasterer, plumber eventually. Got physically fatigued. Went to university for a construction project management degree and an MBA. It was worth it. But I went later on in my life and capitalised on experience on the tools and site management, made everything easy in the degree itself and you can also laugh at the net socialism and Marxist tropes within lectures. 😂

[@BMC_377]

I was fortunate to randomly decide to get an engineer degree and that has been great to me financially and in thay is helped me sharpen my brain, probably didnt help with women but thay aside im glad I did it. Honestly, though it was because it was only one of a handful disciplines offered that had a career outlook that made sense economically.

[@dollarcostbackpacker1226]

Funny title. Did two years corprate with project manager title. College dropout, just competent.

[@granthill2980]

1 in 3 people between ages 20 to 40 still live with Mommy and Daddy. BECAUSE THEY HAVE 100K COLLEGE DEBTS!!! The jobs are'nt there!!!!!

[@disenfranchised2.073]

Go to college to learn something new or to learn how to do something that you can turn into some form of self employment. Not to say working for a corporation or the government isn't a good idea but always have a backup plan. Don't assume your degree is a guarantee for any type of employment and you'll do just fine.

[@redvraven3285]

I would buy a BS and Grad degree from a closed college for any future peomotions. Get a liscense plate frame and wear said colleges Alumni sweaters and Tshirts.

[@redvraven3285]

Learn a trade, i went to college, lost 5 years of earnings. Use my knowledge from growing up in garages and junk yards to make $38 an hour in the metal processing field. College is a SCAM. Degrees are oversupplied, REAL skills are extra in demand. So many people can not fix a door handle, it is not funny.

[@georged5420]

I think you're on to something...

[@kni9ght]

I went to college for 8 years, listening to cappy gives me buyers remorse and now am writing books

[@granthill2980]

Hope they sell so you can pay off that massive debt!!!

[@kni9ght]

@@granthill2980 I hope so and got a grow on the side has well, down with the system

[@thorstenmarquardt7274]

who tf buys books

[@kni9ght]

@@thorstenmarquardt7274 62 copies sold

[@joblo1978]

None of the project managers I know even have PMP.

[@chrispbacon3042]

As a Handyman who didn't finsh high school and charges more than $45 per . I think it is time to correct this and go get my degree in Lesbian Dance Theory. My life is just a joke with no degree and no goverment debt.

[@klein2252]

"We noticed you didn’t smile during the interview." I had a stroke last year, I am physically unable to smile. Are you refusing to hire me based on my disability?

[@ahocka]

I have my Master's in Project Management. I really did not need it but wanted to be more educated than the rest of my family. If you are a technical PM, you make on average 40 to 50 thousand more than business PM's.

[@SimicChameleon]

You are not missing out in college unless you want to aim in accounting, stem, medical or the trades. College is more of a chore for taking care of general eds but taking class for majors.

[@ordinaryavgguy]

You do need a degree if it's a corporate PM job. That's the reality. Plus they'll want PMI certifications.

[@juliebella1221]

If you don't have a degree, your resume is thrown in the waste bin or never looked at or responded to online. I got my four year degree in two. I'm a double major because you have to go all 4 years to get the clout. I thought, oh, I'll just do summer and winter classes and get this out of the way - nope - they want a certain number of years. Two year anything is worthless as far as pay scale goes. A tradie at the top of his game, maybe makes 150k and that's if he's destroying his body, heavy equipment and wear and tare. Say that same tradie has a minimum of a 4 year degree, he can go into management and make millions. Just like the military - because I had a college degree - I automatically outranked the majority of the military personnel. Those that enter the military without college degrees are the slaves, grunts and bullet catchers. It takes years to get where the person in the military with the college degree gets automatically. You could be in the military 10 years, without a college degree, I still outrank you. You get different stickers and they have to salute you if they see said stickers on your car or wherever. In the civilian world, they won't let you in without the degree. There are so few jobs now, that they require a Masters. And say in Civil Engineering - a Masters will only bump your salary up about 10k a year vs. someone without their Masters. So, saying you have your Master Degree in the STEMS is a joke - after lockdown - all have their Masters because they had no jobs for the students so they lowered the requirements to put them somewhere for another 2 years. So, you pay another 20-80k to get your Masters in a STEM program, waste another two years of your life, for what? A 10k pay raise a year. LOL!!

[@xlysxy]

Let's be honest here, they've watered down the term project manager. I've been a PM for many years working on managing multi million dollar projects. I'm an engineer, been working for years as an engineer, 100% of the project managers working with me are engineers and have PE licenses. I've made between $300-500k depending on the project, that's a real project manager, not whatever these people do.

[@Leftists_are_Losers]

FWIW, Aaron, love your show. Keep kicking ass. Just tell people the truth and watch them throw temper tantrums as it contradicts their pansy-ass world college indoctrination…

[@djoh615893]

I'm graduating in this coming Spring with an Information Systems degree that emphasizes cyber security. We get a little certificate saying that the course met NSA security standards. We basically get an introduction to some ideas like password cracking, networking, hashing, and some other things intended to help you be more aware of what network and data vulnerabilities might be happening in your setup and need to be addressed so that hackers don't get your data. Even with that, the courses DO NOT mean that you know anything worth getting paid for. If you do any challenges "capture the flag" style, you'll know that you don't know crap unless you are already working on those skills and building them up of your own accord. I could say a lot more, but you already know those things if you are watching Cappy bust balls on KZbin.

[@granthill2980]

It used to be at Beech Aircraft where I worked for forty years that for every four years on the floor equaled one year of college to advance yourself. So 16 years on the floor was equal to a 4 year college degree. Then about 15, maybe 20 years ago they stopped that program. I think there were so many college grads flooding the market and crap started getting politically correct they stopped it. But the ones that advanced from the floor were so much superior than the actual college grads with the same amount of time worked, there was no comparrision!! And they were still paying on their student loans also!! It was funny to see how the college grads got humbled so many times because of their lack of knowledge!! Imo, college is for fools unless your going to become a rocket scientist or something. Also, the one's that advanced through the company made 4 or 5 years worth of wages more than the college grads while they were going to college and came out and started their carreer with 80 to 100k in debt!!!

[@deaschowieda]

11:36 😂❤😂 KZbin was created for this moment and purpose! ❤😂😂😂😂

[@rh5776]

Please don't. We've already got our fair share of unfinished, price-overrun projects. Don't make it worse.

[@fatcatontario]

Let's just say the MOST folks lie about their degrees on resumes and interviews and MOST companies don't bother checking. Here is your 80k advice.

[@christofl6523]

Yes. Years ago they found that 60% of CEO's lied on their resumes and didn't even have a degree.

[@fatcatontario]

@@christofl6523 dealing with one of them at the company I work for. One of the dumbest and despicable humans I've ever encountered.

[@sylwesterirla9246]

thanks

[@TheRicoCallao]

Exactly

[@scottre3220]

Deliverable = Results

[@xys007]

Calling college a day care was golden. ;p

[@MoltenMetalGod7]

This all stems from the fact that employers are too lazy to train. I get there might be hard engineering or other skills related to the project itself but the actual project management component can be taught as can all the stuff that they use to manage it. I don’t know if this is still a thing but back when I used to know people that were things like draftsman or engineering techs that worked on projects alongside the engineers they didn’t have degrees they either had community college certifications or some Had gotten a lot of training through being with the company so long and promoted up the ranks.

[@anmol1771]

Give it a year or 2, majority of tasks in project management will be taken over by GPT. I am already seeing it. Just like checkout counters in retail, when you used to need 10 cashiers, now only 1-2 do it, same is coming for project management.

[@AlexRojas-db6yd]

This guy is wrong. College isnt about education it is about power and deciding who gets access to the middle and upper class. Yeah, you don't "need" a degree to be a project manager but the power structure and society INSISTS THAT YOU DO SO IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE POOR AND GET STUCK LIVING THE LIFE OF A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN THEN GO TO COLLEGE. Yeah there are other options like the military or starting your own business but im sick of people shitting on college when they have no idea how the system works and it always seems to be edgy Gen X guys

[@howzittoyah]

Found the college professor.

[@AlexRojas-db6yd]

Some of us are just upset we didn't get to go to university and are sick of other people talking it down so much. I don't like what universities have become either however the truth is they still provide a vastly superior standard of living compared to just having a high school diploma. All you need to do is not pick a bad degree. Even a very generic degree alone will double your income and allow you access to white collar jobs which in turn also grants you access to white color hours and schedules and thus lifestyles. Remember not all of us have tomorrow off my guy. Thats mostly a middle class and above thing

[@georged5420]

I agree I think more people should get degrees. As a tradesman I love How the majority of people don't know how to fix a damn thing. 😂

[@AlexRojas-db6yd]

@@georged5420 You posted this as a joke but it's actually the truth; We do need people in the upper class like doctors to hire tradesmen so that the tradesmen can exist in the middle class (or higher through social mobility) Without the doctor there may not be a demand for tradesmen and as such the person who could have been a middle class tradesmen is now a low class retail worker. (none of this is judgment, im just describing the strata of economic society and how the free market works) AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE ALL SPECIALISTS WHICH MAKE US ALL INHERENTLY RELIANT ON OTHER SPECIALISTS FOR OUR EXISTENCE.

[@fastbackgt4821]

Aaron Clarey is a Gerald Celente Light... 4.0% alcohol content.

[@pauljensen4773]

If you go to college, get a degree in construction management or civil engineering.

[@jbremer29]

engineering and healthcare best fields to study

[@SoulOctavius]

Kinda? Dating apps dont work because its all just pictures and texting now. Its a for-profit business model. These companies dont care about you finding a relationship. People staying single and wasting all their money on these apps is exactly what these companies want. Now if people were just forced to turn on their cameras and take only videos or live streams showing their face? Then that would kill most of all the trolls, bots, catfishers, etc... Then only be allowed to interact with 1 person at a time. Dating apps should be just like speed dating IRL where you have to talk to every person you meet for at least 1-3 minutes. Then everybody gets a fair shot. That would fix a lot of this mess instantly.

[@Watchmyplaylist]

Algo

[@stankywoods3287]

pure fax

[@rajunaidu7751]

project instructor management professional

[@redfather5342]

Can someone explain wtf a project manger is

[@Lukas-ui8xs]

Yeah you don't have to go to College to do the Job but you won't Get the job without the paper

[@sylwesterirla9246]

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