You Don't Need More Control (and why I switched racquets)

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TennCom

TennCom

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@90sshuffle
@90sshuffle Ай бұрын
I very much agree with this video. I literally serve and volley and use a one hand BH, used all the difficult racquets including a Phantom 93 18x20. It was an ego thing(and it was fun to play with). After losing again in my big annual city tournament, I decided it was time to get help. I ordered demos of all the "power" rackets and some of the highly reviewed "control" rackets. Almost as a joke and because I liked the colors I ordered a demo Prince Ripstick. I never thought id play well with a 100 sq inch rocket launcher...but I was humbled. I liked it more than all the other ones(I actually played a small tournament switching rackets and overwhelmingly played best with the Ripstick). I completely second Beckett here and encourage even 4.5+ players to try some of these "easy" rackets out. *Thanks to Beckett for recommending Grapplesnake. I absolutely love this string
@Maiqel
@Maiqel Ай бұрын
I'm probably a 3.0-3.5 (or less) and since I've retaken tennis a couple years ago I always favored heavier and controlled sticks. I even started going down and down in headsize, even to old 90s, 85s, 80s... My gf had a cheap 103 racket and then one day she grabbed my Angell 95 and was surprised by the feel. So I decided to pick a better racket for her. She really just likes to rip balls to relief some stress so I settled for a Evo Drive 115. And I obviously had to try it, just for the fun. And indeed, man it was really fun indeed. A 240g (us), under 310 SW, 16x17 😂 115 in2, 27.5", 27 mm thick monster with really easy access to spin which rips balls into oblivion with so little effort. Especially on serves. Still nothing compares to the feel of a 330g Phantom 93P 18x20, or a 340g Pro Staff 90, and I also enjoy punishing frames as for me, tennis is fun as long as I keep learning and improving more than just winning, but "beginner" frames are such fun. Everyone should put down their pride and try them some time.
@Stu49583
@Stu49583 Ай бұрын
Control does not necessarily mean "painting the lines". It means for me "keeping the ball on the court" and not hitting long or wide. A control oriented racquet of small headsize and/or 18x20 helps with that immensely, so for me percentage play can only be done with control racquets. I have more than enough power on my own, so I value control a lot more.
@Maiqel
@Maiqel Ай бұрын
@@Stu49583 that's perfectly fine too, to each his own. Control can mean different things to each of us, is not really easy to define. It generally is used as a synonym of lack of power, because low power generally means not hitting long and often not wide either (most angled shots will land in if they don't fly too deep). For a lot of people tho, that "keepin the ball in" will come from spin more than low power, also from a big forgiving head, because it will also help sending the ball over the net. A friend of mine who plays very loosely and generates big power can't keep the ball in with an APD. I almost can't hit long with it because I don't know how to hit without spin with it. The same way, some people feel flexy frames to be more controlled because they pocket the ball and it flies more aligned with the direction of the swing when redirecting pace. Others feel stiff point-and-shoot frames are more controlled because the rebound angle from the stringbed is more predictable. Anyway, I don't think one has to take this video as a literal "we would all play better with a 290 PA Rafa", there are plenty of styles for playing tennis and plenty of different rackets to suit them. I think the point is most of us tennis enthusiasts feel like advanced tennis demands a players frame and are to proud to try an "easy" racket, but that kind of racket may actually make us win more points, or at least enjoy tennis more. I have played yesterday with an old 85 or maybe 89 sqin Pro Kennex Fiber Ace. It flexes all over the place, so when you misshit the ball it punishes you greatly and it rarely makes it over the net. It feels great when you find the SS though, so rewarding. I really enjoyed the experience as I was just rallying and we were trying to keep the ball going back and forth as much as we could. Had I used it in a match, it probably would be more frustrating. I love playing with it tho, as I find this kind of frames are great teachers. Again, to each his own I guess. But nobody should be afraid of trying out any kind of frame (not saying you are). You'll never know how it'll work out until you swing it!
@tripp5576
@tripp5576 Ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more with your philosophy on feeling satisfied with the tennis you're playing as opposed to wins or losses. Great video as always!
@repoman7804
@repoman7804 16 күн бұрын
Re: "it's not really about winning or losing. it's more about did you feel like you played well" is exactly how I feel about tennis sessions. I once got double bageled but had a great time as I played and even won a lot of great points despite not winning a single game. Choosing a hard-to-use racquet to force ourselves to move better and/or blame the racquet is an interesting theory but not something I see among my tennis peers. OTOH, choosing a "player's" racquet just because we want to copy players better than ourselves I see all the time. In any case, I agree with you that there is probably a non-players racquet out there for most recreational players that would improve their game and make it more fun.
@joaovalentesilva3104
@joaovalentesilva3104 Ай бұрын
You're theory makes sense, although I'd argue that not all players would benefit from a more powerful stiff frame, even if that may apply to the majority. As someone who used stiff 16/19 100s for 15 years, I see the appeal of using one, but ever since I switched to a 18/20 98 racquet earlier this year, I feel like it truly helped my game. I always have had good net clearance and enough spin, but the lack of control was what was hurting me
@Stu49583
@Stu49583 Ай бұрын
I have tried dozens of powerful racquets, I even have a Pure Aero 100", yet I play the best tennis with my Prestige Mid 93". For me percentage play means keeping the ball inside the court. I can't do that with stiff powerful racquets. Plus they also hurt my arm.
@p4r4n0id_4ndr0id
@p4r4n0id_4ndr0id Ай бұрын
@@Stu49583 I've been using 18/20 98 frames forever now and the switch is just impossible for me. I simply hate power and spin rackets lol
@silentrhymes7490
@silentrhymes7490 Ай бұрын
So true, I have been playing all my teen years with the blade 98. I found that with the blade I was always trying to look for a winner and did too many errors. Now I picked up the new speed mp with a 330sw and have never played better, much more calm and focused.
@Mrmelody85
@Mrmelody85 Ай бұрын
Really interesting topic! I started playing again in my early thirties about six years ago after not playing for many years. I bought myself a Pure Drive 100, but found myself missing long and not taming the power. I thought I needed a more control oriented racquet so bought myself a Pure Strike 98. After a couple of years, I went back to the Pure Drive and found myself hitting sooo much better than with the Pure Strike. My technique had improved a lot, I was applying way more topspin and was no longer missing long. It turned out that the problem wasn't a thick beamed 100sq inch racquet at all, but my own shoddy technique! I've tried a few other 100 square inches since then, currently playing with the Wilson Shift 99 Pro and absolutely love it. Perfect balance of power and control for my game.
@mtczrnk
@mtczrnk 11 күн бұрын
Thank you for your insight. I am a 2012 PD user, returning to tennis after a 10-year break. I know I am going to need a couple new sticks when I'm back to competitive playing. A natural choice would be new PD/EZone, but I entertained the thought of switching to a more "control"- oriented frame. Your comment reassured me I should keep using power frames, maybe ditching Xcel/XOne Biphase for a less OP string.
@samsbookbook3425
@samsbookbook3425 Ай бұрын
Iam "new" to Tennis and i like to inform myself :) thx for the video. What i have learned so far. "Racket Brand / Racket Series / Racked Type / diffrent Strings / diffrent way to string them / 16/20 / 16/19 ETC". Its impossible for a normal player to test everything. Pick up a racket that you like and feels good for you and get better
@alexandreroriz_
@alexandreroriz_ Ай бұрын
This video, caught me. I’m having some truble playing with a pro staff 97 v14. Heavy, unforgiving and now leading me to some elbow pain. It’s a great racquet and I’m kind of used to it but i think I can get benefits of a more forgiving and powerful racquet. Thank you for opening my mind to this
@tamagonbagel6569
@tamagonbagel6569 Ай бұрын
I had to compromise. I tried switching to a power frame because the easy depth made me outlast way more opponents. But I really struggled the feel of a wider face and thicker beam since I grew up with Pure Storm. I had zero confidence on offense. So I've gone with playing the most powerful "control" racquets I can find (Pure Strike 100, CX 400 Tour, Prince Tour 100), and with more powerful string setups. That's worked pretty well.
@frannypack8879
@frannypack8879 Ай бұрын
Sounds like a great adjustment. I played with a pure storm for most of my teen years and ever since they discontinued it, I've been finding a good replacement for it. I'm currently happy with my vcore 95 (with leather grip) so far, but I have considered one of those powerful "control" racquets like you said.
@rbarreira2
@rbarreira2 Ай бұрын
I don't need more control, but I do need the confidence to swing out. The comfort in control rackets is also really nice.
@brandonferris8934
@brandonferris8934 Ай бұрын
Very insightful, subtle, nuanced, thoughtful, and deep.
@thomasboldt4669
@thomasboldt4669 Ай бұрын
Wow - so true about feeling good and not caring about win/loss. Really well said
@TheTennisDaddy
@TheTennisDaddy Ай бұрын
This video resonated with my entire year so far…10yrs without playing prior to this year apart from a handful of hits in 2021 when I purchased the 360+ Speed Pro since I’d used Speed Pros for years prior…Tried almost 20 racquets since January(bought 13😅)after watching videos on ‘The best one handed backhand racquets’ and even doing my own video on that…95-98sq racquets were all I tried and ended up loving the Extreme Tour and recently the Extreme Pro after flirting with the Prestige Tour 2023….After playing matches(and for me I realised this is key to deciding on a racquet) I was finding I was just always going for too much on every shot, early on after my first actual match with volume serving, I developed some bad golfers elbow and through physio and string tension/type changes, it wasn’t going away..An old coach/friend mentioned to go with ‘100sq, wider frame like your old Speed Pros’ he says🤦well here I am full circle using and loving the Speed Pro again, pain free and though it’s a ‘control’ racquet, for me it’s more user friendly in out of position balls and really powerful anyway with a bit more weight than my Extreme as I don’t like the Extreme with weight, so I’m not swinging crazy on everything with the Speed but I’m getting more out of it…once my arm got better I directly compared it with my Extreme Pro, 5mins in with the ET and I could feel the discomfort again so overall the 100sq was a win win for me and one handed backhands are awesome with it too so I don’t know why I ever changed😅
@FUZZZ-DNA
@FUZZZ-DNA Ай бұрын
hey same boat I stop playing back in 2014 nd started again this year and these thin beams are annoying me man
@mollyseymour10
@mollyseymour10 Ай бұрын
I’ve switched from a pure aero to a pure drive and I adore this racket I’ve never looked back
@transamination
@transamination Ай бұрын
To some extent, power and spin are control. If the racquet allows you to generate spin easily, then you can get that ball to dip in more frequently on your shots. It allows you to hit more difficult angles because the ball will dip in at the last second rather than shooting long and flat. More free power in the racquet allows you to swing more up rather than through, again generating more spin and more loop on the shot.
@Yo_keebs
@Yo_keebs Ай бұрын
I’ve been loving the PS18x20 Gen 4 lately. Love that the super controlled string bed is paired with a non constant beam, making it have power still and decent spin with a controlled response is just super nicee. Its a lot more forgiving than the whiteouts and gravity
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
new strikes are so goood
@vijaynarsapur147
@vijaynarsapur147 Ай бұрын
You should also try lower tension with a control racquet. I had the same issue...solved it differently. Found out how to make a radical mp play more like a pure areo by adjusting tensions.
@craignelson5689
@craignelson5689 Ай бұрын
Very interesting topic and perspective. I'm in my early 30s and only picked tennis back up a year ago after playing in high school - and I've quickly gone from ~2.5/3.0 to now playing around a 4.0 level. I love the equipment aspect of the game (just like I do for golf) - hence why I'm a member of your channel! My perspective on control racquets is similar to my iron selection in golf - because I'm actively trying to get better at the sport and improve my technique, I lean towards having a "better" player's equipment to give me more feedback and encourage improvement. I don't go all the way to the extreme - i.e. playing with blades in golf, or something like an RF97, but I choose equipment knowing there might be something objectively better for me to play with right now. I went with my Pure Aero 98s as a 'better player's' choice - even though I know using the Aero 100, or a Pure Drive, or some other thicker/larger racquet would make it easier to play more consistent. But now, as my game keeps improving, I'm entertaining going for something even more controlled - like a radical, rf 01, or percept - to help encourage me to round out my game, keep swinging full, and develop more of a flat game to complement my very spinny go-to playstyle.
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
I'd almost say treat yourself to a 95 if you are going for the enjoyment route. There's something extra fun about taking head size that small. You can really feel the lightness in the head and the flexing of the frame is much sweeter.
@roc_co
@roc_co Ай бұрын
Buy a Prestige Tour 2023 and thank me later
@docstranger9520
@docstranger9520 Ай бұрын
This is why I settled on the Shift Pro. It has all the characteristics of a spin friendly, power racquet but with an 18x20 string pattern and a variable stiffness which 'activates' when hitting flat or volleys. At 347g with leather grip it has massive plow through potential yet is headlight for manoeuvrability. I use grapple snake tour sniper at 53lbs. It's a shapeshifting beast of a stick.
@micah2237
@micah2237 Ай бұрын
Those shots you hit @1:20 looked super powerful and confident- more than anything I've seen you hit before. I agree with your assessment of why players start using flexible frames and small head sizes, but I have an additional theory: I think we end up coming back to the kind of racquets that we grew up playing with since those are the racquets that defined our games. So when modern players get the idea that they can get more control with classic "control" racquets, their game goes to shit because they can't get the spin and stability from the racquet that was the bedrock of their game. I also just switched from a vcore95 to a tempo 298 Iga which has been awesome for my game. While not a 100sq in, it's a hell of a high RA, crazy high twistweight to boost my confidence, and a relatively thick beam. Control racquets should be called "bootstrap racquets"- we don't need the help, after all
@ABall518
@ABall518 Ай бұрын
What string and tension on the Iga? I have one, bought on a whim, but think my string tension was way too low (53/51). Currently play with Whiteout 18x20
@micah2237
@micah2237 Ай бұрын
@@ABall518 53/51 actually would be too high for me. I'm using 48 currently which is just about right for my game, but maybe it's because I rely on spin for control. I've tried Volkl Cyclone Tour 1.30 and Restring Zero 1.28, and like them both for different reasons. How's the Iga compare to the Whiteout?
@ABall518
@ABall518 Ай бұрын
@@micah2237 haven't played a ton with the Iga, that hybrid setup made the stringbed feel like a trampoline to me and the frame "rattles" for lack of a better word. That's why I was thinking of giving it another shot at a higher tension. Whiteout feels nice and crisp to me with OToro at 53, and that frame is kinda what I've settled on. Was gonna take out the Slinger bag this afternoon and will bring the Iga out with me
@micah2237
@micah2237 Ай бұрын
@@ABall518 someone else I hit with tried out my tfight iso 305 when I used to play with that racquet, and said it rattled as well. I think that might be the nature of tecnifibre racquets, but I kinda like that, I guess.
@ABall518
@ABall518 Ай бұрын
@@micah2237we must be on the same wavelength 😂 I originally thought the TFight 305 was my end all be all and got 2, but the swingweight during matches became difficult for me if I was tight. So that brought me back to the Whiteout
@verlatenwolf
@verlatenwolf Ай бұрын
Still playing with the vcore 95 and loving it every day. So much fun! Maybe you are right though but I dont like a higher launch angle. Also I have a single hander which works better with a 95 imo.
@andrewwhitman4289
@andrewwhitman4289 Ай бұрын
wow this video came out at the perfect time. I’m currently a 4.5 and use the yonex VCP 97 310g and since I was more mature and in my late 20s I thought going to a more control ordinated racket would suit my needs. This in fact is not the case and my mindset changed when i tried out the Percept 100. P100 racket is more forgiving and gives me "free power" in stickying situations. At the end most of us now are current rec players and are not playing religiously like the pros/futures folks.
@greenlampshade8909
@greenlampshade8909 Ай бұрын
That must have been a very odd journey while looking for a more control-oriented racquet. The VCP 97 310g is a very unforgiving, control-oriented racquet. It offers little to no more than what you give it. How long did your search take before realizing you were already playing with one of the most controlling and unforgiving racquets out there?
@bigdaddy812
@bigdaddy812 Ай бұрын
As an older player who rekindled love for tennis a few years ago I hesitate to go for a light stiff power frame out due to 2 reasons: 1) potential to develop arm issues 2) the feel I get from my 23 gravity pro is like no other. I place a lot of value in the feel I get from contact but that’s just me.
@maggie81510
@maggie81510 Ай бұрын
I came to the same/similar conclusion after trying many rackets (like 20-25). I've settled on the Shift 99 300, coming from the Prestige Pro 360+ 95 sqin and many other rackets such as the Blade 98 v8 and v9 16x19. The 99 on the Shift is more forgiving, the spin is better, the 23.5 beam is slightly thicker than the control frames that I was focusing on. With the prestige, I could hit the ball right on the line. With the Shift I just focus on hitting in the middle of each side with spin and depth. It's easier to volley with the Shift, it's easier to hit good approach shots, it's easier to have a less grueling match with 20-40 shots per point. The Shift is very maneuverable and plenty stable and I love the feel. The Shift also inspires much confidence.
@rileytrost3499
@rileytrost3499 Ай бұрын
Love the topic and I too have done the same, used a TF40 315 with 18x20 now I use a modded Boom MP and feel much more confident in my tennis and feel like I can truly play better
@mattthornsbury4264
@mattthornsbury4264 Ай бұрын
Love your content! I found a lot of help myself for anyone who wants to still get the feel of a 98 tight pattern (granted I have a pretty large full stroke 4.5 player) is getting a string setup that gives a little more pop and spin on my 18x20 thin control frame. It still lets me attack with flat balls but defend with some heavy topspin when I find myself out of position. But then again I only played with the Aero 100 which really was great but I overhit so often, I do agree there are some great 100s out there that I haven't spent much time with. Really interested in trying the 100 inch Percept or Gravity MP.
@danielenzoo
@danielenzoo Ай бұрын
I was also so stuck on thinking I needed control frames until I tried a pure aero for fun (the 300gram 100sq inch one) and I was sold immediately lol
@brewswithdrew
@brewswithdrew Ай бұрын
Love your ideas about gear and everything, what's your opinion on pros using control/
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
For them it's tougher because the adjustment period can take months. So there's a cost/benefit analysis that needs to be done. Someone like Medvedev, who uses a 95 but hasn't really been finding the wins because he admits to not having the put away power should definitely consider going to something more powerful in my opinion. The fact that Sampras has come out saying he regretted not switching racquets speaks volumes IMO.
@The4.0Guy
@The4.0Guy Ай бұрын
I agree with this general idea as a rec 4.0 player i'm also switching to 100 sq inch racquets after a decade of 98's but.....my opinion is that winning rec tennis matches is about not missing, not hitting winners and the trouble with power frames is when you get tight you may not be able to apply the spin you need (even if they are spin friendly racquets) and it will sail out, whereas with the underpowered racquets you will more likely just hit a weak ball that stands a better chance of landing in. A lot of rec players overhit sitters or just plain miss after being given another ball. As you can see i'm in the winning ugly camp, this logic doesn't apply to those that just want to go out and practice.
@onlyfedrawr
@onlyfedrawr Ай бұрын
i only started playing again this year, no competitive tennis background, so this idea of "control" rackets are new to me. i played with the kfactor tour 90 most of my life, switched to a babolat pure drive, and now back to a wilson six one 95s. i always thought control was moreso in the string tension you used and that just rackets have their own inherent "personality".
@islandmerchandise3017
@islandmerchandise3017 25 күн бұрын
I agree. Sometimes cracking a few winners and risking some errors is worth it statistically. Even at pro level this is true. And it's more fun than playing safe robot tactics. Plus I don't find power racquets uncontrollably. Pure drive is fairly accurate for example. And if you got a big serve then defiantly go for a power racquet and just try to break. Simple strategy when it works.
@stephenericwalsh
@stephenericwalsh Ай бұрын
My Pure Drive (or Pure Aero for the last few months) is my out of position racquet. I could use a less forgiving racquet during coaching or co-operative rallying, but once the game starts and I'm out of position for fifty percent of shots, I need the free power. And because I'm not going to change racquets between coaching and playing, I need to stay with the 100sq in stiff power frame all the time.
@nagaray120
@nagaray120 Ай бұрын
Wow scary how timely this video came out!! I (5'2 female) played D1 college tennis with the PD gen 2. Then gave up tennis because I was fed up. I recently came back to play again after 15 years. I play pickleball twice a week so I am only planning on playing tennis once or twice a month. My struggle is that my timing is always off for the first 30 to 40 minutes (I look like a complete beginner struggling to get the ball inside the court). However, after that initial period, my game exponentially gets better. Last time I was even complemented for my serve (thanks PD!). I think that playing two racket sports makes it hard to transition from one to another. I am not sure if I should just get a new version of the PD or go for another power racket with a tad more control so my adjustment is easier. I am thinking about the PA 98, the Boom or the Shift 99. I enjoy more playing with topspin than flat. I am curious about your thoughts :)
@greenlampshade8909
@greenlampshade8909 Ай бұрын
Playing 1/10 to 1/5 of the time a sport that requires greater technique with a differently weighted and sized racquet (paddle) and differently constructed ball that plays differently on a differently sized court, you wonder if a new racquet might minimize the small adjustment period when you return to tennis? 🙆🤷‍♀🤦‍♂ Seriously though, good luck in your search.
@nagaray120
@nagaray120 Ай бұрын
Thank you for the comment. Definitely a challenge but my tennis/pickleball partner does it effortless 😊
@greenlampshade8909
@greenlampshade8909 Ай бұрын
@@nagaray120 Intrigued. Now it's a mystery in need of solving. What's the difference between your tennis strokes and theirs?
@racketman2u
@racketman2u Ай бұрын
Great post. it does raise more questions than answers, judging by the diversity of opinions in the comments, but there's one consistent theme; the best stick is one that works best for you when you play matches. Having more control won't help if you can't finish the point, having more power won't help if you are missing too often, and match play is the final test.
@johnnylee8337
@johnnylee8337 Ай бұрын
As someone that used control racquets since 2014, which includes the Wilson BLX 95 2012, Pro Staff 95S, and every Pro Staff since the v10, except for the Tuxedo and v14. Being inspired by Roger and having a OHBH, I always enjoyed the control from those racquets but needed some extra power when defending, now that I'm closer to my 30s. I did some research and may have found what I've been looking for; Furi Arma Pro 98. A racquet with a box beam frame, stiff and solid like a Pro Staff, has good responsiveness and some forgiveness compared to my Pro Staff v13, and with extra power. I bought one last night and I can't wait for it to come in lol.
@johnnylee8337
@johnnylee8337 24 күн бұрын
Quick update! Beckett was right on this one lol. I guess I don't need anymore control racquets. I usually hit with my cousin, who is an aggressive baseliner and hits with a lot of power. Hitting with control racquets, I had a difficult time getting depth on the run and got punished for being out of position. After hitting for 2 hours with the Arma Pro 98, it's the most fun I've had on a tennis court in a long time lol. Easy depth and power but with good control and a responsive string bed. I know immediately if I'm shanking a ball or if I've hit a decent shot. It definitely was on the stiffer side but not anything that I wasn't already used to. I think my racquet journey has come to an end lol.
@BigDeerave
@BigDeerave Ай бұрын
As a junior, I have always used thin beam 90-98 in headsize racquets. After my university days, I stopped playing all the time and when i eventually was ready to play tennis again on a more recreational level, I found i could no longer play super solid tennis with a weighted Head prestige pro (~345g strung). So I changed to a Wilson Blade 98 (black 2013) and weighted up the handle. Now I'm looking to change once more as these Wilson's are well past it. I have never loved the idea of a 100 sized racquet. I have always felt they look bad (too over-sized) and are best suited for new age juniors or those that need "free power". I also wouldn't be able to tell you the last time I even hit with a 100. But I'm definitely curious about them now.... I definitely won't be going to a huge beam 100 like the best-selling babolats, too stiff and just too much of a leap for my next change. For me, monoverability, plow-through & soft feel are the most important aspects to a racquet. I am an aggressive baseliner who hits my forehand with loads of spin and a largely flat two-handed backhand. I can roll over the wrists to create extreme angles cross court on the backhand which is why I like a whippy headlight sticks. Does anyone have any recommendations (I'm in demo phase)? I really liked the Percept 97. That felt like a 100 to me because of it's boxy shaped head. How does the Percept 100 compare to the 97, are they similar?
@slavik2121
@slavik2121 24 күн бұрын
Try Head Gravity pro. 100 sq in headsize control racket
@dazhang8106
@dazhang8106 Ай бұрын
I always find this topic about power/control interesting. Prevailing theory says you should play with a control racquet if you "generate your own power", yet plenty of pros who generate way more power than us still use 100 in² stiff power racquets. Some even use oversize. Going by the prevailing theory, their shots would fly way over the fence. There was one video from Intuitive Tennis where Nick played a set with a RZR Bubba 137 strung at 40lbs. You'd think he'd miss every shot waaaay long with that absolute "rocket launcher" of a racquet, yet he was able to "swing out" and play high level tennis with it.
@pacu9
@pacu9 Ай бұрын
I don’t think anyone in the top 100 uses an oversize. Mostly 98”, a few 100”, 97”, 95”
@bodzio2304
@bodzio2304 Ай бұрын
oh my! I thought you were moved at 10:13, seriously ;) what a change, from heavy rackets personalized for you to something easier! :O man, those balls and strokes were awesome!
@jeromecote245
@jeromecote245 Ай бұрын
I guess these days what is now considered a control racket would have been a power racket 15 years ago. With modern tech, there are many examples of rackets that are middle of the road with ample power, spin and some restraint when you really want to hit hard and scrape the cover off the ball without hitting above the fence. These for me are the best choices for intermediate to advanced recreational players. We see the up and comers professional players with these frames. The older pros are just too comfortable to switch to new frames even if it would probably benefit them. Keep up the good work my friend.
@brandomaxwell
@brandomaxwell Ай бұрын
I'd venture that playing with a precise control stick like your beefed up Whiteout 18x20 is how you got good enough to now accurately wield a power frame. Likewise, I find swinging a Prestige Tour in practice to be the best possible training for swinging a Radical MP in real matches. I wouldn't give up either frame for the world.
@makaan5516
@makaan5516 Ай бұрын
I probably don’t need enough control, but once I get a power racquet, I just spray balls and can’t keep them in enough even playing relatively safe. So for me lower powered control racquets helped keep the ball within lines while enhance my control on serve substantially
@chrisburke9932
@chrisburke9932 7 күн бұрын
I use a wilson rok 98 or a wilson ultra v2 97. I tried using a thicker beam in the prince warriors with ports and the prince beast, these rackets gave extra pop but were negative on the arm; I had some elbow pain after; whereas i never had this with the thinner beamed wilsons. I strung the princes at 46 in multi filament.
@marquelleboone4764
@marquelleboone4764 Ай бұрын
I have been religiously a head racquet player. I really loved playing with the radical and speed pro. But then bought the boom and was surprised a bit. Which the. Two years later lead me to demoing the Rafa origin and Wilson RF97 v13 racquet to demo (felt like I was betraying the racquet company I’ve loved and trust) but then I realized between the two I kept picking up the Rafa origin (I like hefty racquets) but man the Rafa origin was such a fun racquet that I never wanted to put down. So I feel bad switching from the rackets I played with since high school (29 y/o now) to Babolat but kinda regret I didn’t explore other racquets sooner.
@tennisvids
@tennisvids Ай бұрын
I have some experience with this topic and I agree. I play good defensive tennis with a 100, but I wanted to play attacking tennis and found the vcore 95 pretty good for this against players with medium pace. But against players with high pace and spin I got destroyed. Sold it, back to 100 for me. Lately using one with even more power and spin, the Prince ripstick. Also played well and hit some beautiful passing shots and lobs with my dad's Ti S6 🤔
@footballnut1
@footballnut1 Ай бұрын
One area I find troublesome with a 100 thick beam is my 1hbh. It just seems to get sloggy. A thinner beam 100 helps. Maybe over time I’d adjust. So what’s your final specs including string and tension?
@Christian3174
@Christian3174 Ай бұрын
I've had same issue. Own a blade, pure strike, ezone 98. Blade was probably best until I found the tf40 305 which is my new go to. With custom leather grip, very precise. The speed pro was also decent but prefer feel of tf40
@jamsjerfy
@jamsjerfy Ай бұрын
great video. i recently found something similar i've been playing a pure aero 300 for a while, and sort of judging myself for it. so i got a loaner PA 98 from TW and messed around with it a bit. it was too small of a grip (i'm a #4 and can't find demos of those) and had very different strings to mine in it, but something great happened. i had a "good" half a day playing with it, then decided "let me play my 100 now", and it was a revelation. i think i'm going to buy a 98 just to basically use as a training tool just not as extreme as my functional saber. maybe these smaller, more "pro", or control oriented racquets (i know the PA 98 ain't a CX 200...) can be "swinging with 2 bats" trick.
@jamsjerfy
@jamsjerfy Ай бұрын
also, @TennCom do you add weight/etc. to the Rafas?
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
Yeah. I have weight in just the handle of one, and handle and 12 on the other. Only a few videos ago is a full customization video on what I've done, but the specs are 338g, 32.9cm, 338SW.
@bodzio2304
@bodzio2304 Ай бұрын
@@TennCom o shit, it's a beast racket!
@jamsjerfy
@jamsjerfy Ай бұрын
i accidentally had a spec like that on my first pure aero. it was a grip #3, and i added a bunch of over grip and the head tape and somehow the beast was static 340 and 333 SW. played with that for 6 months before weighing it and then thought “well, that was harder to play with than necessary”.
@kkarx
@kkarx Ай бұрын
If you are a rec player who does not compete and just want to rip the ball and place it exactly where you want then a control racket is the best choice. If you want to hit hard then get a power racket. If you want to compete and win matches then you will obviously have to find something that helps you to win. I personally would always pick a 100 sq racket for competition because it gives me much more confidence than 98.
@rbarreira2
@rbarreira2 Ай бұрын
This also depends on your strength levels. If you're strong but don't have pro-like technique, a control racket could actually give you more confidence by allowing you to swing "all out".
@Tommie22x
@Tommie22x Ай бұрын
with no spin??
@rbarreira2
@rbarreira2 Ай бұрын
@@Tommie22x You can get plenty of spin with a control racket.
@psbretones
@psbretones Ай бұрын
Agreed. I'm back after a very long time, have wrist pain from an old injury, and for the time being I just cannot handle my good old Extreme Mid-Plus. Also, I may be wrong, but I think it isn't a good choice for an eastern grip. I found a CX Team, thin beam, lighter, paired with some thin multi strings and oh boy, that old school feeling is back. I can swing with confidence, the ball pops and I feel what's going on. I see this racket as a transition. It's good point to start building up with joy. ¿Your view?
@t1mech1ldtc60
@t1mech1ldtc60 Ай бұрын
Agreed, I think he might have missed the 🎾 on this video. I get the idea that this gentlemen needs the racquet to do more as opposed to the player making the difference.
@HardCandy-d9q
@HardCandy-d9q 5 күн бұрын
I.m.o lower level players could benefit from a control racquet where higher level players would get mire from a power racquet this is actually a great critique and will probably go over most peoples head..Then I think of a player like Djokovic and it makes me question myself but then again the game at higher levels has slowed down in the last 3-4 years..I’ve never had trouble producing my own power as that’s my best quality so I’ve never thought of maxing out power with power racquet, power strings this vid has made me think.. I’m definitely going to see how it gos..Great presentation and information..
@HardCandy-d9q
@HardCandy-d9q 5 күн бұрын
I’ve always thought since I’ve got the power it would be better to get more control I’m going full power I’ll report back..
@7robertdavies7
@7robertdavies7 Ай бұрын
Very good. I used a Blade 98 18x20 and just as you suggest, I found it "punished" me, but helped to improve some aspects of my play. However it was hard work for a rec player and I have switched to a Blade 100L which is much more comfortable.
@gustavocarrizo6476
@gustavocarrizo6476 Ай бұрын
Totalmente deacuerdo, usé muchos años una wilson blade 98 v7, siempre la sentí muy flexible y con baja potencia, le agregué plomo al marco y mejoró bastante. Ahora tengo una wilson ultra 100 v4 y no tuve que hacerle nada para sentirme comodo, solo encordarla y jugar, tiene mucha potencia, se la siente muy estable y sin perder casi nada de control...
@connormcnicol-day3128
@connormcnicol-day3128 Ай бұрын
I've switched from a Wilson Ultra 100 to a Yonex Ezone 100, but think I just need a little more control so will be considering an Ezone 98. Definitely feel my game has come a long way since switching to Yonex, but feel I just need more control on those shots.
@dennytsettos8052
@dennytsettos8052 Ай бұрын
I love this video because you speak such truth.
@villek6639
@villek6639 Ай бұрын
Yes, makes sense. I've gone to a more powerful frame (though still a low RA and quite heavy Prince ATS Tour 100 310) and strung relatively looser. With my earlier Phantom, I felt I needed to move better, and if I did, I got the rewards, and with a more powerful frame, I would lose form and end up losing the match (and/or the feeling I played well). Still, I have memories to losing to so many Pure Drive players, which sort of has always been nagging. It is a fact that I have played my best with the Phantom, but now back to tennis after an ACL surgery last year, I feel I need to focus on getting my feet moving and keeping loose, the rest will come, and a more powerful racket is where it is at. And I only need to win less than 60% of the points and understand that there are probably more "off" match days than "on" days. So to summarize: just focus on not hitting wide, forget the rest. :D
@AJZolezzi
@AJZolezzi Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing this video. Your channel is very nice! Between this Pure Aero Rafa and the Pure Drive, which one is better for you? The string patterns I think that they are very similar.
@johannsmith5697
@johannsmith5697 Ай бұрын
Inused the rafa racket on Wednesday and the head heaviness and spin generation were so fun! I got head speed pro! So now I want both! Its a great racket, im interested to get it again
@brickfoodies
@brickfoodies Ай бұрын
I heard a lot of people saying: use a control racket upgrade your technique and create your own power and spin. I think you can also work the other way round. Choose a powerful racket, upgrade your technique and create your control or tame your power. Isn’t that the difference between Nadal and Federer? They both work in high level tennis.
@macross8767
@macross8767 Ай бұрын
Ok… so when’s the review of the Astrel 120 coming out? And why did you decide to switch?
@jameshaldeman9181
@jameshaldeman9181 Ай бұрын
For me that 100 is a pure drive. Any generation any type. Always insanely reliable for me. But this is an interesting topic, I think this also depends on how you play your game. Grew up with a POG107 which is surprisingly controlled and heavy. Redline everything out of habit now lol. Constantly trying to find that perfect ratio of control and power. Been really loving the Rad Pro and PDVS. Enough power for ease of play, enough control to let me swing like a caveman (especially because ive been doing tons of strength training recently lmao).
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
Caveman technique is optimal. Society has been going down hill since the stone ages.
@highgate14
@highgate14 Ай бұрын
I think its the reverse. Power racquets are a crutch and rather one dimensional. As a fit adult I'd take the control any day and have more shot variety and confidence in execution. Ultimately its about what you can handle and I find circa 300 frames unplayable due to their low swing weight. .
@jakubmichta7919
@jakubmichta7919 Ай бұрын
I also agree with this video. I try to switch to Blade or Pure Aero 98 but my Wilson Pro Staff X is the best option for my all around game. I know there are opinions about X that is „fake” Pro Staff but i think that these type of racket (100, 16x19, quite stiff) can give you a lot of confidence and fun. I felt sad when you said that you think that Wilson will not continue X in the next years….In this racket i felt one weak in serve, but in the rest this racket is superb. P.S I discovered this racket after your video :)
@andrewutz3674
@andrewutz3674 Ай бұрын
Very insightful video!
@lcervantes8505
@lcervantes8505 Ай бұрын
Good theory. Yes, control racquets - ProStaff, Prestige - rather force one to use good/proper/correct form, and reward with good results.
@Sakrich
@Sakrich Ай бұрын
What strings you have in ye aero? Have u tried it with lynx tour?
@Stuen4y
@Stuen4y Ай бұрын
Played with an old school liquidmetal radical mp all my junior years then topped playing for over 10 years. When i came back last year I knew i should be going for 645/100 had size given even the pros now play with larger rackets. Got the Speed Pro Auxetic and with power strings like Wassbi my game feels great. It does require high seing speeds though. I agree that when i get stiff the spin just disappears and i notice it mostly on my weaker backhand side.
@Seeesong
@Seeesong Ай бұрын
Played 1 year with Speed Pro, it is very good racket, but now I understood it was to heavy to swing for a long running games, the quality drastically fell once tired. Switchex to Boom Pro accidently( the same weight actually but different balance) and found it much easier to swing, and now I do not feel tired even agter very long games (or even many games in a row). Found the comment like this by one of the bloggers as well.
@bmxracing7919
@bmxracing7919 Ай бұрын
I’ve had almost the same journey… I agree!
@joeking4006
@joeking4006 Ай бұрын
What’s the hybrid you got there? Looks like o-toro in the mains and what in the crosses? Lol Hey I came to this realization three months ago. I asked to play with extreme mp randomly one day and just felt the ease of tennis come back to me after using blades and vcore pro’s all my career. I picked up an extreme mp on vacation but I demoed the rafa after watching your videos and bought it on the spot. Love the feel and power 😁
@SaqibSheikh
@SaqibSheikh Ай бұрын
This is a good point. Players need a bit more power and spin nowadays
@patrickmclaurin
@patrickmclaurin Ай бұрын
PAR 290 is a power racquet that’s light enough to control. I bet there are plenty of people who say they can’t play power racquets because they pick ones of the same weight class as their “control” racquets, not realizing the only control they had was a lack of power.
@trentmccormick6171
@trentmccormick6171 Ай бұрын
Ultimately, for 99% of the people watching this video they are going to win or lose based off of # of unforced errors. For most people a "control" racquet reduces the number of errors that they hit in a match. For example, I switched from the Ezone to the Blade 98 and make *far* less errors while speed and spin of my shots has only slightly gone down. And, in fact, when a match gets tight and I become nervous I can hit even harder with the Blade. That said, I have a flatter forehand than you. It's similar to your friend Allie's. You have a western forehand and learned to play with Pure Aeros so it makes sense that you find control with spin.
@waynelai354
@waynelai354 Ай бұрын
You can keep multiple types of rackets in your bag; you don't need to give up rackets completely. Decent opponents will adapt and change their play style in a match to counter what you are doing and you need to adapt and cycle through patterns too. Different rackets make it easier to succeed in different situations. I find it easier to sustain a rally and play a midcourt game with my blade 18X20. If the person is better than me at that, my new RF-1 is a lot easier for me to serve harder and still get the ball in as well as knife slice and volley so I'd try moving in. Yes I can do it with the blade too but the RF-1 is so head light and stable at net for me it gives me an easier time in the moving forward and attacking situations. And my old primary racket which is a Microgel Radical MP with 5 year old strings and tons of lead is so "dead" that I can drop the ball in any part of the court off any incoming pace. No one really practices regularly against some of the shots that come off that thing so it's a great way to get the surprise on them in a tiebreak situation. We can do all of that with the same racket but we need to adjust ourselves more. But switching from a control racket to a power racket in a match, for instance, can throw off the opponent tremendously as long as you are used to both and leveraging the advantages of both and used to switching within a match.
@topspin4hand
@topspin4hand Ай бұрын
Never felt it was an ego thing, at least for myself. I think control racquets just force you to do everything better and be aware of what you're not doing correctly but you need to be aware of these things no matter what racquet you're using otherwise you won't improve.
@billwall9886
@billwall9886 Ай бұрын
Aren't control racquets better for pain and injury reduction? I would trade a few missed shots to stay on the court longer as opposed to playing better but having to take time off for injuries.
@Maiqel
@Maiqel Ай бұрын
Yes, yes to every word. Great video. ❤
@victorliu9783
@victorliu9783 29 күн бұрын
I switched mine to Pure Aero Rafa 290 from Blade 98 v9
@joshlevasseur5314
@joshlevasseur5314 Ай бұрын
While I agree with most of this video, the thing I struggle with most with 100s and even 98s and it wasn’t mentioned in the video is the serve, the most important shot in the game. For some reason I cannot make the serve work with large head frames. Best serving frames I’ve ever used have been 93in- phantom and 360+ prestige mid. I’m still trying to find a 100 that serves as well as those.
@SickAttorney
@SickAttorney Ай бұрын
I know I don't, but I can't stop using my Dunlop 2021 cx 200 tour 18x20. It's just too fun
@Christian3174
@Christian3174 Ай бұрын
So keep using it
@fretstain
@fretstain Ай бұрын
I've been trying to switch to the vcore98 from the vcore95 and the issue I've been having is that I don't trust the 98 enough to really swing out on it. I'm sure it's mostly a technique issue - but I do feel like despite the heavier ball of the 98, I don't hold back when I use the 95... honestly it's annoying haha
@rykile
@rykile Ай бұрын
I agree so much to this. My “control” racket is the Blade v8 1820, and here in Malaysia singles league tend to be mixed gender and I was losing matches purely because I was trying too hard to paint the lines only to be neutralized by opponents over and over again until I run out of gas and make mistakes (aka stacking the odds against myself). I am currently using the Percept 100D as an effort to transition to more “powerful” setups, although I still keep the Blade as there will be times where I lose my discipline and start messing up even with the “easier” setup. Also looking to transition into something even more powerful than the Percept 100D 😊 So control setup as a coach, power setup as a weapon (or should I say “toy”?)
@zacattack5243
@zacattack5243 Ай бұрын
Picked up an old pure drive plus 2003 and my serve, volley and defence are so much easier with it. Figuring out the spin to wield it properly on forehand and backhand at the moment
@1504Blue
@1504Blue Ай бұрын
I don’t like the feel of stiff racquets and I’m not willing to risk injury to my wrist or elbow. Clash is ok but breaks down in high level play- if you’ve hit with it you know what I mean. I find the most confidence in 100 inch open pattern control frames like the Blade 100 Gravity MP and older Vcore Pro 100.
@zahmikk
@zahmikk Ай бұрын
So, what's the current spec of this racquet?
@philiplb
@philiplb Ай бұрын
I agree. Give up some feel and control but my game improved by going to a 100sqin stiffer frame.
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
what did you do to?
@92edro
@92edro Ай бұрын
Coming from 93s (blade, Prince phantom) and 97s (vcore pro hd, prince respone 97), the prince warrior 100 changed my game. Bought one cheap off ebay and the rest has been history. Its launchy at times but i can miss with any racquet 😂. I keep demoing and buying other stuff but nothing compares to that damn textreme warrior. She is thicc and strong and I love her dearly hahaha.
@CacheCropp
@CacheCropp Ай бұрын
Good timing because I’ve just been thinking I need to try some power oriented rackets. Also, Andre Agassi was quoted saying you should play the stiffest racket you can (that doesn’t cause you arm problems) with the lowest tension strings you can, (without causing you control issues). What do you think about his advice?
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
100% agree: you want the most power you can control
@daniel10s
@daniel10s Ай бұрын
Several years ago an ex college player showed up to a 5.5 match at my club with a Big Bubba and it blew everyone and his opponent away. Got all of us rethinking what a "high level" racquet is. Saw several people testing OS frames in the following weeks.
@chendz109
@chendz109 Ай бұрын
Do you think there is any truth to the argument that a less forgiving racquet helps serve as a feedback mechanism for proper mechanics, good footwork, and otherwise strong fundamentals that add up to create a good shot you otherwise couldn't produce with the racquet?
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
I think there is truth to that statement when there are mental blockers preventing the user from fully committing to the power frame. A bit of a cop out answer, I know, but I can't see why a player wouldn't be able to transfer the refine mechanics to a power frame unless there was a mental blocker. I don't think there's any special magic to a control frame that allows the user to swing more efficiently.
@chendz109
@chendz109 Ай бұрын
@@TennCom I think what I mean is, some argue you need better fundamentals to produce a better quality shot with a control racquet. The idea is that this serves as an indicator of whether you’re actively using these fundamentals vs a power racquet where you can still hit a pretty good shot off center, off balance, etc. and thus may not even notice or just not need to improve your fundamentals further. I don’t necessarily agree with this argument but I hear it often. Basically, the same argument people use for using a training tool like the Saber
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
@@chendz109 yeah that’s a strategy I used for several years. I think the key is finding something that gives you the feedback you need plus extra forgiveness. Tougher now with so much dampening tech but I think things are looking up. The Carve 100 is another frame I tried lately with big power and big feel.
@lyndseyandandrew5771
@lyndseyandandrew5771 Ай бұрын
How would you compare the PA Rafa to the Regna 98 in terms of “ease of use” - assuming you had the regna at a lower tension and with a more dampened grip?
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
I find the Regna to be quite demanding. Harder to use than my Whiteout as well. I do string the Regna 4-5lbs lower as well but the sweetspot is tiny and spin doesn't come easily. The Regna feels about as forgiving as more of the 95's in my collection but there's a specialness to the feel and surprising power on centre which keeps the frame in my bag.
@lyndseyandandrew5771
@lyndseyandandrew5771 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the context. I also have gotten addicted to the feel, sweet spot results, and aesthetics. And the fact that I don't see any others in the wild :). But I'm a low to mid level 4.0 and could use the help. wild :)
@TongDoes
@TongDoes Күн бұрын
I get the most powerful racquet I can control but if I have wrist/elbow issues would you rather gain the softness from racquet or from strings. Stiff racquet soft low tension strings or softer racquet with tighter stiffer strings?
@TennCom
@TennCom Күн бұрын
Its always a tricky balance. Different players will be more sensitive from one or the other. Sometimes its not even the stiffness of the racquet that hurts, but rather, the weight distribution which overstresses the muscles. Its also always good to video yourself if you haven't. Very eye opening and humbling to see what you actually look like and often leads to very rapid game improvement.
@wadecarroll3572
@wadecarroll3572 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the reality check Becket
@p4r4n0id_4ndr0id
@p4r4n0id_4ndr0id Ай бұрын
I tried spin oriented and all-rounders rackets, but I just can't play with them. I'm used to adding the power myself and I get too many long balls. I just hate it. But agree that most players don't need a control racket at an amateur level.
@juanantoniocanohidalgo5070
@juanantoniocanohidalgo5070 Ай бұрын
Super video, can you compare Pure Aero Rafa 290 with Boom Mp 2024 in terms of power, heavy ball and maneubrability? Many thanks
@TongDoes
@TongDoes Ай бұрын
Cool video, got me thinking then how power or control differs from more powerful/spin 98 sq inche(16x19) to more control 100 sq in 18x20. If I’m going from a 100sq inch 16x19 but seek a little more control, which route to take and why.
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
I don't think either is exactly better, but I would recommend looking at the Aero 98 vs the Percept 100D. Both blend forgiveness and control very well
@roma02rus
@roma02rus Ай бұрын
Think of moving to PA Rafa from my lovely TF40 305. Love it a lot, but feel lack of power and shoulder pain(not sure if comes from a racquet to be honest). How it compares to your solinco (which i guess is very similar to tf40) in terms of comfort? Does it feel too stiff or hollow?
@DelZ3030
@DelZ3030 Ай бұрын
I switched to the vcore 95 because I like it! I accept the tradeoffs. When it's right, it feels soooo right. 😤
@chrisc5587
@chrisc5587 Ай бұрын
Do you add a little weight given how low the swing weight probably is?
@JohnSmith-pb4ri
@JohnSmith-pb4ri Ай бұрын
I'm sticking with the 98 inch rackets. It's not all about control. It's about feel and touch.
@scras26
@scras26 Ай бұрын
Great video. I’ve been scared away from using a 100 inch racquet as I have the thought in my head that 98s are better for a one-handed backhand as they are faster/whippier, so I got a pure aero 98 as a more powerful 98 that can generate spin, but maybe worth trying some 100s.
@Sinisterg60
@Sinisterg60 Ай бұрын
I went to the vcore 98. I have a one hand backhand and have been trying to get away from using 95's and extreme control rackets. This vcore 98 has given me free power, the ability to hit tons of spin and plenty of margin. My game instantly got better. Now I just have to lock down a string setup.
@TennCom
@TennCom Ай бұрын
I play this guy with a deadly 1 hander. Steps in and takes my big topspin forehands on the rise with his 1hbh. He uses an Ezone 100.
@Sinisterg60
@Sinisterg60 Ай бұрын
@@TennCom maybe I need to step it up to a 100 lol!
@adriantanskanen3914
@adriantanskanen3914 Ай бұрын
Some people get more control with a power racket because they can focus on the control and let the racket deal with the power.
@tallcatshortdog
@tallcatshortdog Ай бұрын
Definitely agree here, I'm a strong 4.5 bit not quite a 5.0 and have been playing with a 100 inch racquet for years and the best part of my game is my control. So great hitting deep balls within a foot of the baseline consistently and moving them side to side. Puts my opponents under so much pressure.
@Anthony-lt8ww
@Anthony-lt8ww 24 күн бұрын
Great video. I agree that choosing a more demanding racquet can be an ego thing. The ironic thing is that no one you're playing with is judging your stick of choice. No one is complimenting you for playing decent with your 360 gram 97 inch thin beam racquet lol
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