You Got Your Computer Science Degree... Now What?

You just got your Computer Science degree after 4 or 5 years of struggling through those difficult math classes, taking all those useless electives, and spending tens if not hundreds or thousands of dollars to get that piece of paper. Now what? Unfortunately, a Computer Science degree today really doesn't prepare you for what you actually need to land a job but I'm here to tell you a lot of other things you need to do if you want to start your career as a software developer.
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⏳ Timestamps ⏳
00:00 | Now What?
01:05 | The Harsh Reality
03:44 | What To Do About It
08:41 | How To Be Competitive
10:52 | What You NEED To Work Om
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#computerscience #programming #coding

[@TechWithTim]

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[@PixelThorn]

Guys and girls, this KZbinr has an incentive to convince you that your degree is useless, and actually you need to buy his courses actually

[@FeverYonge]

He is not saying it is useless, he has CS degree himself. He saying it is not enough to get a job and he is totally right. As a previous CS student myself I totally agree with what he said, especially on tha part that there are people with a CS degree that would sweat and fail if you ask them to write a script to multiply 2 numbers entered by the user. Yet they passed all test and got the degree

[@shindoxxx]

I'm a Computer Engineering student and I agree with whatever he said in the video. There are several problems with the degrees; like you can cheat in the exams, you can use AI to do your projects, most of the time minimum grade to pass is very low and they use curve grading so that pretty much all the students can pass the courses, a lot of university courses like general electives are completely useless and most courses are not related to your area of interest.

[@kingdomVI]

@@FeverYonge varies some cs degree teach you a lot or better swe degree. I do feel Tim is coming across wrong overall I agree his channel is a business and he wants to sell courses. and him having a CS the irony yikes

[@gold4963]

Yonge is correct. I'm a CS graduate, and I've been working as a software developer for over a year now, fresh out of college. College didn't do much in the way of teaching me useful software development skills as much as making me take random and useless (but sometimes interesting) classes. And yeah, the coding you do is quite basic. What got me my job was my degree, yes (it was required), however, what made me stand out were the personal projects on my resume that I was able to talk about during the interview. Even that was lucky because they were projects that I did not finish and make as much progress on that I wanted or should've BECAUSE of college. Although I have no debt from college, I feel scammed for the time and effort I put into it, even if I got my job. Because I feel that my skills aren't as sharp as they could've been if I cultivated them myself. Don't get me wrong; I like my job, and I'm thankful for my degree. But wow, college is wildly overrated, and I regret not looking at other options. I was only one of the lucky ones.

[@gold4963]

Yeah, I'm actually watching the video now. Tim's exactly correct. Especially about learning on the job. It's the harsh truth. :/

[@sjimenez81]

I’m just 5 minutes in and he’s called what CS degrees teach useless many times. If you want to say that a lot of it won’t help you get hired that may be true but it’s definitely not useless. I’m completing my master’s in CS (I have a bachelor’s in music so didn’t want to get a second bachelor’s) and what I have learned is not useless. If anything I now feel like I have the foundation to learn CS topics more easily and with actual understanding. Not to mention I was applying for jobs for a year before beginning the Master’s program and the vast majority of jobs require a degree or years of experience.

[@gabrielbarrantes6946]

Keep learning kid...

[@jermainemyrn19]

If a self taught person walks in with a bunch of commits and projects, he's getting the job over showing a degree.

[@Obzrve]

You can go to school and work on projects. It’s student that better teach the professor and KZbinr. You’re surrounded by software students good and some amazing.

[@FeverYonge]

You paid a lot of money for your degree and spent a lot of time, so you are biased in defending it, i understand it totally. But nowadays there are alternative ways to spending that amount of money and time in getting a CS job. One of my CS professors told our class right away since first semester: "You can find all the things we are teaching in online resource and they are all free. Here you are just paying for the structured curricula and co-op semester opportunities that our college offers. If you are not interested in getting that co-op opportunity in the later semesters than you are losing your time here".

[@das6109]

I was considering this route because I already have a Bachelor's. I have some questions for ya. Where did you take your masters, did you find you could keep up with the material even though you didn't take CS in undergrad, and how has your job hunt been with the master's. Do employers treat you better or worse you think then someone with just a Bachelor's in CS. You have full time relevant work and if so how long was job search and when did you get job. Sorry for 20 questions, trying to decide if this makes sense. I got into some competitive LS and MBA programs for the fall, but I think those fields may shrink substantially due to LLMs so I'm very hesitant to invest that heavily on what might be a dead end. I've already done quite a bit of coding, but no real credentials.

[@kolamber94]

Thanks for another video, Tim!

[@Dee-zy2xv]

Enjoyed the thorough assessment

[@spkim0921]

I went the other way around: I got a software development certificate at a local institute of technology where I learned python, java and c, then i got the web dev cert where I learned html, css, js, react and node, then I got the comp info sys cert where I learned math for computing and sql. This is the point where I got a tech job, then I took comp architecture, discrete math, os, data comm and algo. Learning actual tech stacks used in industry then learning actual computer science also works. You can build your portfolio, then fill the missing cs knowledge gaps.

[@hilsCYBER]

Bro life is a simulation, I just graduated and was wondering what’s next..waking up and this video pops up in my notifications😮

[@gracep2910]

Bro hasn’t heard of algorithms

[@degerdi]

No degree here, dropped out of Drexel after showing my teacher how to set up his virtual machines so he could teach the class how to set up virtual machines

[@Dee-zy2xv]

that was some unexpected turn i would imagine lol😂

[@AvikNayak_]

You shouldn't drop out from college. At least get the degree.

[@degerdi]

@@AvikNayak_ I make too much money to justify going back to school

[@AvikNayak_]

@@degerdi then it's fine. You are an exception. But for the majority that's not the case. That's why I said not to take risk.

[@gabrielbarrantes6946]

Having a CS degree nowadays is like reading 20 years back, useful but totally expected for you to have and nobody will be impressed if you have it... In my country 15 years back speaking English was so huge that could actually land you a job, nowadays is almost not asked because everyone speaks English as a second language lol

[@AvikNayak_]

In my country if you don't have a cs degree it's almost impossible to get an engineering job.

[@SkyFly19853]

that situation is very very true. however, I decided to be a video game developer and developing my own video game with my team... degrees are useful if the person wanna migrate to another country since this process requires having university degrees. I am trying to move Canada or similar places for starting my video game development business.

[@gold4963]

Gosh dang, man. Being a guy who did the whole four years and have been working as a software developer for over a year, you're ON POINT. Everything here is accurate, from how useful (or useless) the degree is, making projects from nothing, specializing your coding skills, how you learn on the job more than in college, etc. The interview tips are also golden; that's what I did to get my job. XD Guys, pay attention. While your CS degree isn't useless and does help you a bit, it isn't the golden ticket you think it is. This guy is giving golden advice here.

[@cluberic]

Someone may need to see this. YES there is a difference in pay with a Computer Science Degree and easier degrees like Information technology or something like that.

[@Jocke1234]

I skip all 30s ads, but watched this 15minute one with pleasure :D Nice work dude!

[@iamuseless0]

Sir i completed btech in july 2023, since then i am unemployed and gap is increasing, i am learning different skills but am not in the eligibility criteria of most of the companies, sir please suggest what to do about the increasing gap

[@pridemoose]

I'm in my 5th year of studying Computer Engineering and I feel like I don't know much. I'm about to graduate, but I've only learned a few things about C, C++, Haskell, and Prolog. This knowledge doesn't seem sufficient to land a job, even in the hardware field, which feels very vague to me.

[@jenex5608]

Woah 5 years

[@pridemoose]

@@jenex5608 5 years, its long right

[@M0J0-RL236]

There is some more nuance required here. Comp Sci graduates still have better rounded knowledge of fundamentals, or at least they should. Runaway tuition charges is definitely a problem. University is also about HOW to learn instead of what to learn. Networking is also a huge benefit. I would much rather take a cs degree than a super specialized code monkey boot camp that will always leave the person at a plateau eventually. Tim also has a vested interest considering he is literally fearmongering about a problem and selling the solution

[@paultaylor658]

Tim keeps mentioning in his latest videos that only certain people have the right mindset/aptitude to learn code. How does one know if they possess such a mindset and separate struggling because something is hard vs not being smart enough to do the thing?

[@droneguy69]

I received my CS degree October 2023 and I hardly look for work in the field.

[@Tsosbra]

In Course Careers I only noticed languages for web development. Are these the only languages you teach people ?

[@TechWithTim]

No we teach other languages as well in the specialization courses

[@arrheniusleibniz]

I'm a civil engineer and the thumbnail might make sense.

[@jigsaw2253]

Stay in your lane kid

[@sushank3753]

😂😂😂

[@alainx4712]

Bro i want a road map for learning python

[@DrCognitive]

First, love your content. So I say this with all due respect. The problem is that *most* companies that I've seen while perusing jobs is that they require a degree. Usually a bachelor's. Even though some of what you're saying is accurate, you might (probably) get filtered out in the first round when they get thousands of applicants. Think of it another way. If you have all the same skills and abilities as another person, but you have a degree and they don't...then you're the one they will probably interview.

[@SuperMajck]

A bunch of fearmongering from someone who hasn’t finished a cs degree and wants you to click on their videos, buy courses etc.

[@Dee-zy2xv]

Please refrain from speaking dumb crap and sounding like an idiot

[@paulXmbingu]

No he's telling the truth. Whether he's selling a course or not.

[@AD-wg8ik]

​@@paulXmbingu Good luck finding a job in the future without a CS degree. Nobody is saying you need a degree to learn how to code. But as competition increases, so does the barrier to entry.

[@paulXmbingu]

@@AD-wg8ik FYI I have one, I got long time ago. You can also get into tech-preneurship if you broaden your scope of thinking beyond getting a cs degree and being employed.

[@AD-wg8ik]

@@paulXmbingu I said the future. If you got in earlier that's great, but that's not what I'm referring to. Market saturation == higher barriers. This has always been the case for every career. While entrepreneurship/self-employ is valid, it's significantly more difficult to make a living that way vs being an employee.

[@himankgaming7555]

As an indian computer science graduate, i can say that is true as fuck. My batchmates didn't even knew how to code and expected some sort of job after pursuing the degree while i choose to develop my skills as web developer After graduation i landed on a job while they were still confused with thier career

[@x_avimimius3294]

Hi tim I am currently doing computer science in India and learning about AI , ML .Can you give me an insight to build production level projects . How to start , how we can document the project , and other aspects of building project .

[@KayderimGameplays]

Look for internships asap bro, this is even more important than your degree

[@JJ-bj6hg]

Internships is king

[@KayderimGameplays]

@@JJ-bj6hg Yeah, that's why i'm so fucked, i didn't do it while i had the chance :((

[@x_avimimius3294]

Nooo Self learning is the king

[@GregHogg]

Tim, best thumbnail ever 😂

[@TechWithTim]

Haha thank you

[@mrgamer-lu1im]

Hey tim I'm 16 years old about to graduate high school I'm wondering if i should still persue a computer science degree because I have been programming for 5 years, I have built a lot of projects. But is it still worth it to get a computer science degree?

[@jermainemyrn19]

With that much experience, it's pointless for you to get a degree

[@FeverYonge]

if the programs offers co-op opportunities yes, otherwise no

[@yassineboumiza1031]

When to use classes and when to use simple function wity arguements instead????🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@ushapedcurve3831]

In relatively big projects its better to use classes.

[@colbyberger1881]

Cs, IT, CsE degrees are not useless. Anyone can do it. College is more the a degree, it gives access to networking. That's what's most important. So go to college, not go to college, so what ever you want. Both conditions spend time networking and finding people in the industry or build projects with others.

[@FeverYonge]

Now its time to get a real job and pay off that debt. The fun is over. One of my CS professors told our class right away since first semester: "You can find all the things we are teaching in online resource and they are all free. Here you are just paying for the structured curricula and co-op semester opportunities that our college offers. If you are not interested in getting that co-op opportunity in the later semesters than you are losing your time here".

[@planseafishing5986]

You stretched on this one! But you had me for a while

[@batuhankose9618]

Thanks for the telling us of crucial points of what should we care of beyond just the degree. Very helpful video. I hope for you best

[@Gigi-zy1kx]

Appreciate your video, I am a construction manager for a electrical contractor in a non-senior role. I don't have a PMP cert or an engineering degree. I know this may be in bad taste but my annual starting salary with my current company was 180k + bonuses and medical, dental and all the other bs. These days I land around 230 to 240k. I never touch a hand tool or break my back. my office is air conditioned and we are non-union. I have been learning python lately tbh. It's fun to learn how to code

[@faru2301]

love from kerala💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚

[@schoolstuff5235]

Study Software Engineering, not Computer Science! Can't stress this enough.

[@Dee-zy2xv]

I believe that is what he alludes to in his videos

[@ergysdervishaj1495]

What are you doing in US? In italy university teaches us everything that you mentioned

[@coin5207]

It's bizarre. I can't tell if US university are actually this hopeless or if he is blatantly being disingenuous to keep people from enrolling there and buy his course instead.

[@jigsaw2253]

He studied in Canada not US

[@bored_daisyxo]

He’s trying to sell his course. Majority of these topics are taught in my CS program as electives. Now it could be different for other US universities but it’s on the student to research the CS program before enrolling. However I do agree that you have to do some learning outside of university, and create more projects. In my CS program, it’s actually very common to see CS students learning outside of the classroom and know modern frameworks.

[@FeverYonge]

@@jigsaw2253 Either way he is right. I studied in Canada too and can only confirm what he is saying.

[@FeverYonge]

Well, I guess the job market in Italy is much better than in Canada and US, if you CS degree got was all you need to get a CS job. Do not move to North America!

[@juanmacias5922]

Projects, projects, projects.

[@s8x.]

no internship after graduating. it’s time to accept reality and flip some burgers and do dr*gs!

[@FeverYonge]

Internship is basically the only thing that would make a CS degree an option.

[@rafaelg0225]

I don't disagree that you dont need a degree to know how to develop, my cousin didn't go to college but spent countless night learning to code while I was getting my degree in B.S CS, he now makes around the same or a bit more than me. I do think that university gave me a broader understanding of computers and how they really work, from my processors and logic design, Operating Systems, Automata and Touring machines logic, AI with Lisp and C#, etc.. this thought me discipline and deep understanding of how things work and made me a better developer and better asset for companies not only looking for someone that can code, but someone that can think. I graduated almost 15 years ago, and at this point I don't get paid 6 figures to code, but to share my knowledge with the more junior-mid developers, when we have an issue or something to work on, we let them figure out how they would solve it, then the more senior devs give our take of the solution and we discuss the pros and cons of each.

[@FeverYonge]

graduating 15 years ago and graduating now, its totally different, we are not in the same market as before, so yes 15years ago it totally made sense to get a CS degree

[@rafaelg0225]

@@FeverYonge you are correct, but my point was that for me university gave me a chance to interact with others like minded and discuss broader points I wasn't going to get learning in my bedroom like my cousin did. But you are right, things have changed 👍

[@sativagirl1885]

Randomly dial telephone numbers in Silicon Valley. Break into WOPR, and play a game of chess. What's that- you did not learn the AT codes to program a dialer???

[@TheLuigiplayer]

This couldn't be more accurate... Eventhough I've started programming when I was 12 and got my bachelor's degree this february, I just can't land a job.

[@aloSolo]

Employers still want you to have a CS, then convince them in the interview that you are the RIGHT person for the job. You got this.

[@FeverYonge]

If you are looking for a GOV job only, some have a CS degree as a condition of employment

[@darctalus6661]

No degree here. Making six figures as a software engineer. 25 years experience from literally teaching myself. Get out of your degree and save yourself some money. Uni will never teach you how to get employment.

[@normalhether5806]

🎉🎉🎉

[@FeverYonge]

Absolutely, the prof even told my class right away ... if you are not able to secure an internship through our program, you have basically lost your money and time here

[@themadmen1717]

Just learn from youtube for free guys no need to buy no Tim course

[@TechWithTim]

Definitely an option! You can always learn for free just requires a bit more work and discipline

[@krischarles4326]

Courses like these are more about buying a curated curriculum, instead of building out your own curriculum through several sets/subsets of free sources Convenience has value for some to the point of the price being worth it.

[@FeverYonge]

You will not learn much through KZbin. Videos are just for inspiration and reviewing things in you free times, its a way to waste some time in a productive way.

[@Obzrve]

I respectfully disagree. While a computer science degree alone may not guarantee a job, it provides a strong foundation in essential concepts like algorithms and data structures. Many employers require a degree for entry-level positions, and it offers access to career services, internships, and networking opportunities. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, computer and IT occupations are projected to grow 13% from 2020 to 2030, adding about 667,600 new jobs. A computer science degree also equips students with critical thinking and problem-solving skills necessary for advanced roles in AI, cybersecurity, and data science. Though practical experience is important, the structured learning and rigorous training of a computer science program remain valuable credentials that enhance job prospects and provide a competitive edge in the tech industry.

[@FeverYonge]

Are you kidding me? So you encourage people to spend 5 years and 50K in learning the foundations of CS and be disciplined in your studies? And Jesus Christ, please stop referring to government Labour Statistics or at least do a research and learn how they are made

[@harmansavla7510]

Hi

[@Aaron.Seabolt]

A lot of common sense was spoken into this video. But it felt like a Segway for his own course since that guy landed a job four months after taking his courses. You know, the same thing everyone KZbinr says that has their own courses they want people to pay for. Like internet made coder. Aside from that, overall a decent video.

[@harmansavla7510]

Can you please create a detailed roadmap for Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence and Robotics with Python?

[@marcobachini3130]

Btw the expression on your face was not that different the day you got your degree and the first workday at the construction site 😅

[@TurkishZombie]

I graduated today.

[@alexthesb2241]

​@MxolisiMatyila-ym2pzthere is more countries than just the usa bozo

[@KayderimGameplays]

@MxolisiMatyila-ym2pz CS is usually 8 semesters, if he started at june 2020, he should graduate about now

[@TurkishZombie]

​@MxolisiMatyila-ym2pz Our semesters are between October-January and February-June.

[@xlafxx]

Damn I graduate in 4 weeks 😂 perfect timing

[@AD-wg8ik]

Congrats!

[@wadytupiza6640]

The awful truth... 😢

[@bigemul]

There is another sad truth: if you don't like Java, JS and their frameworks, you will struggle a lot. Few offers are for Python or C# developer positions, and most will be for Java/Angular, so that companies can cast a wide net and put a lot of candidates in competition with each other. Even C# is not much in demand for anything other than video games. I'm not even talking about C++ and Rust, which will only be in demand for jobs that require very specific skills before the interview, skills that can only be learned on the job. But this makes this channel almost useless, because it makes you believe that you can do anything with Python, whereas, even if this is the case for personal projects, it's hardly in demand as the main language in the professional world.

[@dhmhtrhsaourelis8695]

probably you should pay more attention to those math courses cause you describe correlation poorly :)

[@FeverYonge]

Dude I have PHD Math graduate in a online employment program i'm doing. Nobody in IT industry cares about that math degree, go become a math teacher if you have one.

[@coin5207]

My guy. If you are calling things you learn in university which you don't end up needing in the average developer job "useless" you clearly haven't understood the purpose of university. The purpose of an undergrad university education is to convey general knowledge about the field you're studying. In computer science specifically it's there to convey to you the basics of its respective sub-fields and then teach you the skill to efficiently broaden your expertise in a specific field, either before the job or on the job. (And as CS is a sub-field of math this obviously includes math too) The degree is not there to teach you the most up to date frameworks that might be outdated again by the time people graduate. As for the "things companies are looking for" i.e. independent work, problem solving ability, writing clean maintainable code, efficiency, working in a team, working with git - all of these are things *any* decent CS program should teach students (*that are willing to put in at least some effort). And especially points like working in a team for a software project are not something you can learn on a 5 week online course.

[@Dee-zy2xv]

Why would you need general UNRELATED knowledge to a field of study? Please make it make sense. "As for the "things companies are looking for" i.e. independent work, problem solving ability, writing clean maintainable code, efficiency, working in a team, working with git - all of these are things any decent CS program should teach students (*that are willing to put in at least some effort). And especially points like working in a team for a software project are not something you can learn on a 5 week online course." You can learn this on the job and it doesnt take 4 years to do that. You just proved his point. Any "decent CS program SHOULD" ...there's a problem right there

[@coin5207]

@@Dee-zy2xv I'm sorry do you lack reading comprehension? I said "to convey general knowledge about the field you're studying" I'm quite obviously talking about knowledge that's RELATED to CS. If you think topics like calculus, algebra, state machines, logic, computability... i.e. all the things he's talking about you don't need in a low level developer job (that might be replaced by ai in 2 years) are "unrelated" to the field of CS, then it's YOUR FAULT for not researching this field well enough before you go into studying it. Again since some people forget: CS IS a sub-field of mathematics. "You can learn this on the job" These things he listed are the prerequisites you need BEFORE you get the job in the first place you absolute genius. What respectable company is gonna hire you if you don't posses any of those skills unless you're a Nepotism child. And no it definitely doesn't take 4 years to develop these things I'd say most university students through their degree get to a basic level with those things within the first year, at least in central and western Europe where the standard of the average technical university is decent. _Any "decent CS program SHOULD" ...there's a problem right there_ there is no problem at all. The problem starts when you take your experience from bad universities and try to project it onto every university out there. Any decent program will teach these things UNLESS as I said the student is not willing to learn and get better.

[@internallyinteral]

​@@Dee-zy2xv the person who wrote this post is obviously a professor and probably earns under 50k

[@Dee-zy2xv]

@@coin5207 Alot of this "conveying general knowledge " is filler trash and a means to upsell classes and courses with a field of so-called "study". Which is the very reason colleges are getting checked in recent times. I think we are actually agreeing more than not especially with the related vs unrelated subjects which was the point of Tims video. Nepotism..? I think we all fall under that in one way or another so nothing is outstanding there as we are all humans. Nope I am not a genius but wise and intelligent enough not to blow 80K-100K for college that will teach a fraction of what I invested in. Last point ...Its pretty obvious that there are other options to add/in lieu of college for students willing to get better and willing to learn. ""What respectable company is gonna hire you if you don't posses any of those skills unless you're a Nepotism child""... **Look at Google, MicroSoft, Meta and such a great portion of these employees/employers ( even the TOP DOGS) do not have college degrees/computer related ones. Apparently they must have had those skills regardless of a degree **

[@coin5207]

@@internallyinteral I'm a 22 year old CS student about to finish my bsc this year. Yes I do have a job relating to CS. Yes what I learn at university is mostly enough for me to do this job. No I'm not a professor so I have no agenda in what you do or don't do at university. If you are so against reason that you would rather be influenced by someone who SO OBVIOUSLY wants to sell you a course than someone who's telling you what the actual purpose of universities is (and this is not just my opinion, no university will claim they are there to specifically train you for a specific job, they are for general education) then I'm sorry I cannot help you if we disagree on the most basic of facts. If you guys don't understand that in the very near future with AI on the rise these junior roles you are specifically targeting with your training might soon be found less and less frequently, I also can't help you. If you go into the job market with only that one skill you specifically learned, what on earth are you gonna do when that one thing you specialised on gets automated? Do you seriously think you can learn anything in a 6 week course that Chat gpt can't already do better than you? Please. Tell me one thing I wrote in my posts that is incorrect and I'll eat my words. I'll wait right here! Edit: grammar

[@NayaWrap]

I hate CS. I regret picking that major. I worked for decades and I hatred it the whole time