"You Hate ZZZ Because It's for Smart People"

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[@plang-plang5035]

Basically they expected Eldern Ring, but found Mario 64

[@mcflufferkins]

I consider that an absolute win!

[@armoredsquirrel946]

the same way I don't want that FromSoft game to be like every other ubi/ea game, I also don't want that every game to be Elden Ring, I'm playing both rn, the Elden expansion and ZZZ and the experience is completely different from one to another and i love that, i love (and hate) both games for completely different reasons and that's how it's supposed to be

[@ArthurMorgan.1863]

The problem here are the people who has SUPERIORITY COMPLEX and based their decision on their cult-based content creators. LOL. They loved gassing each other up and starts a hate trend! They don't want other people to enjoy the things that that's not enjoyable to them.

[@ProxyZZZ]

true

[@RyukagiRen]

every time i play TV section... i just use my Imagination what my Agents doing on the field, beside... it so stylish and i having fun with it. For Combat... all i can say its SO satisfying, those Perfect Assist give me Eargasm every time it Proc

[@peckneck2439]

This is pure and unfiltered copium. Most writers that are actually good at their craft will tell you that "show, not tell" approach in storytelling is always superior because it allows the user to immerse themselves in the world and narrative easier and better. ZZZ's TVs do the opposite as instead of showing you the story, as you said it yourself, it makes you "imagine" it instead which completely ruins the enjoyment you would otherwise have. For example, there was a segment in which Belle got lost and you sent your agents to find her. In that segment's TV section, you were constantly bombed and needed to make you way to the target while avoiding the bombardment... and it sucks because all you do is clicking on the screens. It would be infinitely better and cooler and cinematic if you could actually see and experience this moment during normal gameplay as you actually use your own reflexes and skill to avoid the bombs from the point of your agents. I'm not saying TVs should be removed, i'm saying that TVs shouldn't be used for everything.

[@RyukagiRen]

@@peckneck2439 ze hell you rambling about..... just say you don't like it.. ez.... use your brain....

[@shanroxalot5354]

​@peckneck2439 Don't ever give this guy a book. "What do you mean the author didn't make a blockbuster movie instead of a 2000 page book 😢?!"

[@ProxyZZZ]

[@bronyaenjoyer]

i always enjoyed the tvs, less at the beggining but i never found them unbearablem in contrary, i found them fun

[@user-xq6vs9df4r]

me too, in the beningging i felt the same way but half way through chapter one i feel indifferent about it

[@Rat_Fบcker]

i just finish golden bangboo quest arguebly the longest TV quest right now and i love every minute i spend in it, the whole situation just sound surreal it's really entertaining

[@RyukagiRen]

@@Rat_Fบcker ah dat Commission, it make me grinding money lul

[@CarrotSpunk.]

The TVs makes so much sense considering the game's lore. Its a way of navigating the hollows without being corrupted since hollows corrupt intelligent beings such as Humans and Artificial Intelligence to cause mass destruction on a wider scale in such a short time. I'm so happy that they integrated the lore into the game's gameplay! It makes us feel so much important to the game's story and us the players are helping the characters navigate the hollows and keeping them safe and I am having so much fun with the game because of this making our decisions have an impact on the outcome of our play style.

[@Cross-Cut513]

As a casual player, and a 100% completionist, i like zzz a lot (this is the second gacha game i play, first one is hsr). Its not open world, thats the reason why i dont play genshin or wuwa (open world is not my thing), and the battle is not too complex. The game is slower pace too, i find it enjoyable. Character & environment have more personality & detail. As you said in the video, people tend to rush things, compare to things, have a hard time accepting different things, etc etc. The most important thing is that you enjoy the game, if not then this game isnt for you. This is my opinion, sorry for my bad english.

[@MinCalm]

As an indie-pilled roguelitecel, I see no issues with the TV mode (except maybe that the dialog and transitions cause to much stop and go).

[@RED_XLR]

So more like, "You hate ZZZ because you're stupid." I personally don't hate the game, so I guess it makes me a smart person. TBH, though I know it's supposed to be a rogue-like or rogue-lite, but I don't feel it. It's not a bad representation of what rogue-likes and lites are like, but it isn't good either. If they wanted to make it feel more like Rogue, they should've actually let you explore the TVs, which are basically just tiles in a 2D game, and let you find your way through the maze-like floors. Basically, they shouldn't show you where the exit is, but they do for some reason. That's the major thing; it makes each floor feel less random and more scripted, which goes against a lot of the rogue formula that makes it rogue-like.

[@S1e73n]

People hate to learn I going to miss the T.V.

[@Squ_iddy]

Personally I'm so tired of open world games. They're good every now and then but it's so tiring and abysmal for a gacha game. That's why so many Genshin players were (and are) burnt out. It's why I feel overwhelmed when trying to muster up the energy to play Wuwa. I wouldn't even consider myself a casual player, I like a challenge and I like playing the game for more than 5 minutes. But if I have to spend 2 hours walking around an open world just to find enough chests for 1 pull I'm gonna lose my mind. Combat aside, I love how they made the gameplay feel like a roguelike with stages n all that. It feels like Honkai 3rd, and I'm someone who was on the fence of if I even wanted another gacha to play.

[@sleepen207]

The biggest problem with ZZZ was everyone had soulslike psychosis for some reason, expecting every boss to one shot you if you made a single mistake. This led to people spamming, saying the game was easy, not being able to recognize their mistakes. The devs always said the game has a low floor and a high ceiling, yet people were shocked when they started the game and immediately experienced it. If you don't play your characters well later in the game you will get bad ratings, or if you take too much damage you will simply lose without characters to heal you back to full. Challenge does exist in the game, just not in the form of one shots and soulslike difficulty because it was always marketed as an accessible gacha...

[@Rat_Fบcker]

The real problem of ZZZ is people don't know how to quit and move on

[@DML013]

ZZZ is a great example of the phrase "easy to learn, hard to master" and it's the best what we can expect from this type of game. Thinking that it's an easy game just because it doesn't punch you in the face from the start is a huge misconception.

[@mcflufferkins]

Thank you for making the connection of ZZZ actually having a ROGUE-like aspect, based on its origins of the genre itself. Clearly its gotten out of hand like many other genres of late, only being loosely tied to the concept (like perma-death or meta-progression for the -lite variants). The TVs behave very much like Rogue and it's very much a "-like". I will say the main gameplay loop reminds me of Hand of Fate, where the main loop is a card-based, board game styled rogue-like, broken up with brief action combat segments (sound familiar?). Now, I get why many dislike the system, especially if they come from Genshin, HSR or Wuthering Waves, and especially of the younger generations that haven't properly experienced dungeon crawlers and other faithful Rogue-likes, but I also feel like there's been a lot of unfair negativity concentrated on this main mechanic due to that mismatch of expectation vs. reality.

[@DaiZenKarl]

The main problem of ZZZ is that players had the wrong expectations for it, they didn't even had 4 seconds to read what was going to be, everyone just saw the trailer and said: "oh yeah, genshin 2, so it must be open world" when developers said at the start it was going to be Honkai Impact 3rd like, a.k.a. small scenarios and fighting, even the TV mode is like honkai 3rd game loop, so yeah, people are just showing their own ignorance when criticizing the game as they can't read to save their own life, yeah on their stand ZZZ is a "bad game" but critizing it on open world standards when it wasn't even supposed to be like that is a bad take, is like critizing a "managment" game on "adventure game" standards.

[@Unluck-f4u]

"combat focused game" said hoyo for zzz

[@darcontheassassin2.06]

@@Unluck-f4u It's still combat focused, the tv's are just a transportation method inside of levels

[@betapie666]

@@darcontheassassin2.06 no? its tv focused game

[@housemana]

@@Unluck-f4u lmao found the guy who expected elden ring in gacha land 🤣

[@fahikan]

​@@betapie666 it's a combat focused game. There's literally more combat stages than tv stage

[@famimame]

The problem of ZZZ is the entitled gamers thinking they can fucking change direction/vision of a game by ranting and lashing out. Imagine forcing a rouge like game to change into an open world. How about these mfking people made their own game?

[@Rat_Fบcker]

how about play 4 different openworld rpg gacha that already exist

[@famimame]

@@Rat_Fบcker Exactly. Yet they still complained.

[@DamBB_]

We need to popularize this video

[@miguiREC]

And I know for a fact if their favorite content creators said "the tvs are so innovative and unique" they would be repeting that too lol

[@dandyshark6094]

now we need actual CC like this instead the one who just making drama that got popular, nice vids bro , u deserve to be known!

[@Salamangkero]

Thank you! That means a lot to me

[@blodyrabit]

I agree, i like the tvs phases, also think are needed for the game mechanics and provide personality to the game, i don undestand the people claiming for the game and tvs demanding to chance a game the way they want, this is the game if you don like the mechanics this game is y for you.

[@CarrotSpunk.]

I'm thinking the same thing but I think a lot of people don't understand the lore of the game which is why the TV gameplay is so necessary because hollows corrupt intelligent beings such as artificial intelligence and humans. The TV gameplay is a necessary tool that helps the characters to safely navigate through the hollow without being corrupted in this make the player feel that they're really important in the game story.

[@paolino4141]

I don't play the game, I dance to the game 🗿

[@darkabyss8066]

"ZZZ should be open world!!" "Bruh, just go play Genshin, GTA or WuWa or something"

[@bencenagy5459]

"The TV mode is dumb" Genshin, WuWa, PGR, Aether Gazer, HI3 and HSR exists

[@Alex-bc3gz]

The main problem with zzz is that for CC farming drama is easyer than creating good content

[@shunhead]

such a good video gs. Lowkey just changed my whole view on the tv’s

[@Salamangkero]

Thank you!

[@Ashes_to_Ashes200]

I personally don't think it would be hard to make rogue like elements not boring. It's a good concept and making it top down and clunky just doesn't make sense when you could make it immersive and similar to modern dungeon crawlers would give the same formation of levels but have the advertised gameplay more prevalent.

[@housemana]

homie its act one. sit down and stay awhile if u are interested . otherwise good hunting and farewell, keep it movin

[@Ashes_to_Ashes200]

@@housemana I'm interested to see it improve. Which it can and should with how large and lucrative Hoyoverse has become. I don't feel like something with an obvious fix should be left alone

[@DPStry-unit]

Am sorry but when did they advertise or even state it was supposed to be a rogue like game, i mean they even said it was a combat heavy game in the live stream

[@unguidedamateur7744]

Do you really compare rogue-like games with TVs..? Like really? The amount of depth in TVs, compare to mid rogue-like games is like a puddle on the street. And do i need to mention builds in rogue-likes? Which is limited because of gacha system in ZZZ. And i'm not gonna mention variations in dungeons. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of funny mechanics through the missions. But funny, doesn't mean you'll enjoy them more than one time in a row

[@andersongomes3211]

I read a comment on launch. A guy so mad because he had to do the story and couldn't explore the game...

[@dai.xya_edits]

i really don't get why people go out of their way to hate on this game so much. i did not enjoy the tv mode since I focus on story, open world and combat strategies the most. does that mean the game is bad? hell no. I'm just sad that a big part of the game isn't too enjoyable to me even tho i'd love to play it for everything else. since I have way too many games and also my life to focus on, I just don't play the game unless I really feel like it. it's really not that deep. i will probably still interact with the fandom since I'm interested in the characters and the story

[@404Yanchi]

Everything you explained is on point about the tv and everything, but one thing for sure is, the enemy needs to be harder, not tanky wise but do more damage, i need to feel good when i beat a strong enemy that is able to 1-2 shot my units. Kinda hard to ask for when the game is more on the casual side. And yea challenge mode still feels easy to me, enemy are just more bullet sponges

[@Salamangkero]

I agree. Sadly the game needed that entry level skill to sell, but at least we get to play the game I guess

[@enju3588]

Hope they don't add healers lmao

[@famimame]

Challenge mode are only for story, it means you're not even pass the tutorial and into the late game. One fun idea I can think of is adding DMC Heaven or Hell mode into this game on mechanically challenging bosses.

[@Rat_Fบcker]

well it's to sell mobile user after all but on the plus side there is no healer any damage sustain during run are hard to recover

[@myrtlekenazjanairo9411]

I love the game but I hate the TV system. Good combat system. When you get stuck on Lvl 32 and one of the side quest is like a detective play in TV system which I'm so dumb and not that smart enough to solve the case is like wasting time. If you have a whole day of playtime, which I don't and only have 1 hour max then this game is not for you. The game also needs a lot of patience and grinding. If you can't wait then spend some money( I don't because F2P forever). The game even gave me Soldier 11 twice for pity which I was rolling for Ellen(I got bad luck on Gacha lmao).

[@DPStry-unit]

Wait what?! 🤯

[@nanotsuki]

i think while you can play optimally and defeat 30 lvl enemies with 01 lvl character.. the fact that you don't really punished for just spam click with 30's level character is what people complaining. People usually play optimally to circumvent a challange, when the challange is not exist and you can do the same result albeit a bit longer just by spamming clicks people won't be incentivized to actually use the mechanic. While i can see why they do that because in the end this is mihoyo, they need to appeal to casual too not just the hardcore people (in fact i think their biggest consumer is the casual one) and i personally don't mind the more easier combat as long the animation and execution feels good, which they nailed it for me. For the tv's naaah, while i like it IN the hollow which is their actual rogue-like mode. I don't like how it's interupting the story, i still think they can implement it better. This is after all first and foremost a gacha game, people pull for the character. By doing the tv thing in the story it's reduce the time they use the actual character they pay for.

[@jaydenlu6508]

My favorite part of the tv mode is the puzzles. They are as fun, if not more, than the combat for me.

[@tsuaririndoku]

Finally someone who knows that this game isn’t bad. People compare this game to WuWa. Here’s a shocking thing you’ll hear. Wuthering Waves is not Zenless Zone Zero. Shocking right? I think the game is actually fun. I have a lot of fun on the game ever since I played DMCV as a Hack & Slash Based. I love ZZZ because it has identical energy to DMCV. The TV is not an issue for me at all. It’s actually quite fun and 99% of the time it isn’t as annoying as what many people believes it be. The game is easy because there’s not a lot of punishment. Which is fine by me. If you want a Punishing game. Just play PGR or Honkai Impact. Not all games has to be sweaty hands of Tryhards. No every game needs to have Dark Souls level of difficulty. My logic of video games is a game that make you relax.

[@FukoChi]

can i ask for the sauce in 1:08 ,kinda having the idea to make a rouge like game for my programming project

[@Salamangkero]

That's rogue. That's the original

[@FukoChi]

@@Salamangkero tysm

[@larryloser361]

the tv sections aren't fun for a video game format, i wanna see whats happening not play a shitty half dnd with out the excitement of my friends being there to get into shenanigans with, i prefer the mission types where the agents are constantly running through the dungeon or hollows i think they should lean into that and made it so the the dungeon shift and change in trippy ways idk just wishful thinking i guess still fun when i do get to play the game tho also the tv part is not the actual meat of the game if it was why would they advertise it as combat heavy. like im not saying get rid of the tvs but they could at least make some of the exploration mission types just bigger more intricate versions of the one mission where you had to mess with the fan blades or access the traffic control station to move trains around so your characters could make it through those missions were the best ones ive encountered so far and i think the tv game fits better in the scott outpost shit cuz those tvs are actually fun probably cuz it makes me stop and think before just mindlessly clicking through

[@CarrotSpunk.]

Then find another game.

[@tankturretshots]

this is why rougelike games are not for the average player.

[@bojo7667]

The problem with ZZZ is that it's so fun I can't stop playing! another problem is that the gacha is too generous. I got ellen in a 14 pulls and her weapon in 17pulls on top of that I got back to back ssr in standard. I can't stand the character designs too. Characters are too good looking I can't focus on the game man ZZZ sucks I hate it so much

[@Salamangkero]

You got the positivity of a polar region I love it

[@bencenagy5459]

"The gacha is too generous" You're satan

[@tigerfestivals5137]

Fucking THANK YOU. People saying to "remove the TVs" are so shortsighted when its so obviously a core part of the game.

[@CarrotSpunk.]

They don't understand the games lore that's why they are trash talking. Hollows corrupt intelligent beings and the proxy is a core part of the game helping the characters to navigate throughout the hollows without getting corrupted.

[@bencenagy5459]

If you don't like it, play Genshin, WuWa, Aether Gazer, PGR, HI3 or HSR. There's a gacha ARPG for everyone at this point.

[@silverjuly9339]

I agree with the thumbnail for once. If you are the problem, remove yourself. Then no more problem. Edit: No don't delete yourself😢. What I meant is don't play the game if you don't like it.

[@0kaiKai]

Well said

[@Salamangkero]

Thank you!

[@peckneck2439]

TVs themselves aren't the problem. It's the amount of them. There is absolutely no need for them to be featured in every single story and exploration commission.

[@CarrotSpunk.]

They are necessary in terms of lore because hollows corrupt intelligent beings and the TV exploration is basically an in game interpretation of the characters navigating the hollow with the help of the Proxy.

[@peckneck2439]

@@CarrotSpunk. Be that as it may, it's still affecting the gameplay negatively and it could've been done much better. For example, devs have stated themselves that the current TV system will be replaced with a system that will attempt to combine both traditional exploration and the TV rouge like system into one mechanic(you get to move around the randomly generated hollow stages freely, but you will also have the condensed TV system in the corner of the screen serving as a "minimap") which is EXACTLY what they should've always done. That way not only you get to actually play as your characters within the hollow, lore also remains respected as the condensed version of the TV system still maintains its job at helping you navigate the hollow except much more immersively now.

[@CarrotSpunk.]

@@peckneck2439 Sounds like a reasonable change but to me I never a problem with the TV system I think it was a unique mechanic but the mini map is super reasonable.

[@wtf.is.this.new.alias.system]

play devil may cry it costs less and has more than press attack button to do damage hahaa

[@mik0z474]

The coping side of ZZZ

[@bencenagy5459]

Yall only want combat? Okay then, play PGR, Genshin, HI3, HSR, WuWa, HSR or Aether Gazer. Hell, even Monster Hunter or DMC could be good for you.

[@francisxavier8374]

game takes too long to get to any amount of challenge, so zoomers are convinced all enemies are training dummies

[@Rat_Fบcker]

the great ADHD filter and i love it after a few month the whole situation settle down and all we have left is the people who actually understand the game

[@hithisisq]

You want exploration? Play genshin or star rail. This game isn’t for that, in fact it’s the reason I like this game at all. I don’t like open world or exploration based games, I like puzzles, story and combat. This game is just not for everyone

[@hithisisq]

Also, I always imagined that the tvs were in a way, from the proxy’s view

[@LostWallet]

you see? this is how Mihoyo trap brainless players. they make them "feel" like they are "good". when they are in fact not. these "good players" havent play an actual hard game in their life, and this game make them "feel like they are an actual good player", which make them feel better about themselve and sticking around

[@kim_jong_un2]

zzz has problems, unimportant dialogue options, energy and not being able to skip some cutscenes

[@TsukatsukiRio]

unimportant dialog options are a common thing to every hoyo game. you can skip mostly everything outside of overworld dialogues, which you can still "skip" by just smashing button, these dialogues don't hold you for long like genshin and HSR does.

[@VeneDee]

I thought this video would be somewhat smart. But this guy believes himself being smart while not being so. Proxies don't play the game, 'real' humans do. If something isn't fun, it's not a good mechanic. The mihoyo falsely advertised z3 to be a pure action game. And lastly, do you think people are stupid to not understand the Daze bar! wow a smart guy

[@nurlurn]

maybe just move on, zzz definitely not ur game. i enjoy the mechanic, it's simple and easy to jump in. it's fun and interesting for me tbh.

[@VeneDee]

​@@nurlurn Perhaps. I was never a fan of Candy Crush Saga

[@Rat_Fบcker]

​@@VeneDeeyeah me too but instead of leave bad review on play store i just stop playing candy crush and move on with my life

[@sadcatto3]

If something isn't fun for you, then it's not for you. As simple as that

[@VeneDee]

​@@sadcatto3 Well, can you blame me if I was falsely advertised about the game? I wouldn't have played if I knew it was a puzzle game

[@RakuenGIL]

zzz was jsut really overhyped tbh my expectation for the game really downgraded pretty much is worse than genshin at this point or even worst hoyogame ever released

[@maxum00]

That is the worst take ever. If you don't like the game then that is your right, but to say this is the worst hoyoverse game released, is just not true.

[@xayal]

wdym overhyped? Everyone doomposted it even before release. And after release you see how many people say they don't like it

[@Rat_Fบcker]

so just stop playing and go back to genshin then the natlan is almost here why waste time complaining about the core game play that you don't enjoy

[@emanyzal9813]

More fun than Genshin imo, I'm pretty sick of it tbh

[@shotgun6808]

actually this is kind of a celebration knowing that most of the genshin shills won't touch ZZZ. good boy, just stay on your habitat