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[@CasualHistorian]

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[@Grapymoron]

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[@justinjones7506]

Hoover didn't help himself with how he handled the Bonus Army. An incident that FDR ruthlessly exploited.

[@kingcharlesi8170]

Granted, a mob of ww1 vets forming a slum a block away from the capitol had no good ending.

[@justinjones7506]

@@kingcharlesi8170 Hoover had ordered MacArthur not to escalate the situation, but the arrogant bastard did it anyway. Hoover refused to court-martial the man for rank insubordination, but went along with it. Hoover might not have been the villain that people believed him to be--far from it--but this was a failure on his part and he paid dearly for it.

[@Foolish188]

@@justinjones7506 Not as dearly as the victims.

[@DebbiesSanctuary49]

@@justinjones7506 Correct! Mac Arthur was subordinate to no man!

[@EvilHomer101]

Big Mac should have been drummed out of the army long before wwii

[@gallendugall8913]

What about his inventions? The hoover vacuum cleaner and the hoover craft.

[@cozycherry1790]

Or the Hoover mobile or the Hooverville.

[@Flow86767]

@@cozycherry1790 lol

[@malcolmabram2957]

There is absolutely no connection. Of course, he was by no means alone to have that surname.

[@cozycherry1790]

@@malcolmabram2957 Well thats just hoover rediculas.

[@spanglelime]

The hoovercraft 😆

[@dispergosum]

I like how Hoover was a successful geologist before he went into politics, which took him all over the globe. I think he was also involved in the Boxer Rebellion as a citizen.

[@txvoltaire]

From what I understand, Mr. and Mrs. Hoover even learned to speak Chinese, and when they left China, they used this used this knowledge to speak privately!

[@connorshelton9535]

@@txvoltaire yep

[@jaystrickland4151]

He helped build the fortifications at the ligation and also rescued some Chinese children caught in the cross fire. Dude was a badass.

[@tomfrazier1103]

H.H. and his wife Lou were the last Presidential couple whom spoke Mandarin Chinese.

[@professorpewpuew]

Hoover was a great businessman and a first class citizen who privately helped feed war torn Belgium. His organizational skills are beyond question, but when he stepped up in the Great War it was the beginning of the end. His continued push for price floors in agriculture flattened the farming industry, which has never recovered its former independence of taxpayer subsidies. This was all well before the Depression. His Keynesian policies and failure to direct the Federal Reserve to action in that calamity is only icing on the cake.

[@jaystrickland4151]

You cannot really call his policies Keynesian as Keynes didn't publish his theory until 1936.

[@MrSthotwhelz]

From a wheelchair user the FDR hold my crutches was LOL.

[@gregb6469]

One thing Hoover did, which he refused to publicize, was donate his entire salary as president to charity. To my knowledge, the only other modern president to do so was Trump.

[@NewDealChief]

I kinda already knew about the Hoover Myth, but i wanna see an in-depth explaination from other channels.

[@natethebluesman]

same

[@Catbot99]

No different than how the Holodomor has been taught

[@michaelpfister1283]

So. Hoover invents the original "new deal" and unleashes wave after wave of deficit spending. It doesn't work, the economy tanks further and further. Along comes Roosevelt, promising "A New Deal" while hinting that he wants to do what Coolidge did - reduce taxes and government spending and let the people get on with recovering - and the electorate votes him in overwhelmingly. At which point Roosevelt doubles down on Hoover's failures - all while blaming Hoover for the failure, pointing at the very marginally growing economy, and promising that a better day is just ahead. Sounds very familiar....

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

"Along comes Roosevelt" must count among the most frightinducing words in the English language

[@connorshelton9535]

Haven't watched the full video yet, but I was taught that Hoover wasn't a do-nothing so much as he was trepidatious towards massive spending projects and providing direct economic relief (probably cause he f*cked up the economy with the Hawley-Smoot tariff) and also put too much faith in Wall Street's/big business's promises to not cut wages drastically and fire workers at the start of the Depression.

[@RickJaeger]

Hoover (apparently) was not a fan of the tariff, but he yielded to political pressure from his party in Congress. It was passed through both houses by strong majority votes (>60%). He ought to have refused to enact the tariff, but it's sort of understandable that he did not.

[@Hamsteak]

@@RickJaeger and that's when congress was more in control then the executive branch

[@JenniferinIllinois]

I nearly spit out my drink when you said 'Hold my crutches". 🤣🤣🤣

[@AllStarJD]

Been lied to about Herbert Hoover? Nobody's even told me of the guy.

[@vinsgraphics]

Hoover was a mining manager straight out of Stanford (first ever graduating class, when Stanford was free). He worked to acquire and set up mines in Australia for his British employer; one was the Sons of Gwalia mine in Western Australia. He was there only a short time, 1898, before moving on to China. His house is still in Gwalia, and is currently a museum and bed & breakfast inn. The mine initially closed in 1963, and Gwalia emptied out, becoming a ghost town. The nearby town, Leonora, is the shire seat, about 1000 people. I grew up here in the 1970s. We took over an abandoned house in Gwalia, no power or water, and brought it up to code. I went to school in Leonora until 1978; we moved since there wasn’t a high school there yet. The mine reopened in the 1980s and is still running today. It’s the deepest gold mine in Australia and the deepest of its kind in the world (where full-size 60-ton trucks travel from surface all the way to the bottom, over a mile underground, a 2-hour journey.) They continue to dig the original lode discovered in 1898, and expect to continue another decade or so.

[@200131240]

I think your backlash against the myths about Hoover and the New Deal, though right, is taking you into another type of myth. Some New Deal programs helped, others didn't, and some made things worse. And that's to be expected, it was our first time trying those things. Going off the gold standard is probably the main event that ended the Depression, but that doesn't mean that fiscal policy measures didn't help. Nowadays, we generally invoke monetary policy against recessions first (its faster, more direct, and easier politically), but fiscal policy (which is much better designed today than back then) still has an important role. Look at 2008: we exhausted the capacity of monetary policy, then did too small of a fiscal stimulus, then quickly started cutting the federal budget over partisan politics. That made the recession worse than it had to be. Its great that you're trying to be interdisciplinary, but when we do that we run the risk of misunderstanding the other field (that's not the field we have the PhD in, after all). The economic sources you've cited here are really bad. They're outdated political screeds from a heterodox offshoot of economics called Austrianism that the discipline moved on from half a century ago. It's only kept alive today by political conservatives who want to use it as ideological justification for a strictly limited government. There's no serious research coming from these guys. I think you should really take more time to talk to academic macroeconomists and read current work before you dive into a whole new field. Good interdisciplinary work is just hard. I think that's why so many people are afraid to do it, which is to all of our losses.

[@bobdude7111]

This is a good, thoughtful comment. Just thought you should know. :)

[@Joker22593]

It sounds like you're making an appeal to the authority of academia, or an appeal to the amount of research on one side, either of which doesn't make something true. Looking from the outside, I'd say the biggest problem in economics is that it never learned how to measure non-monetary costs and benefits very well. Why do people give to the homeless? An economic answer is that somebody does so to gain "moral utility". If we aren't learning how to measure stuff like "moral utility" on a micro scale, economics will be blind to most human interaction.

[@200131240]

@@Joker22593 Yes, reasonable people do indeed rely on expertise and evidence to understand the world.

[@Potatotenkopf]

@@Joker22593 What you're relying on STUDIES and ACADEMICS preposterous.

[@herrerasauro7429]

@@Joker22593 You're so blind by tautological shit like "moral utility" that austrian spew is, that you're unable to see the forest for the trees and have an issue with the "homo economicus" hypothesis. "Homo economicus" is an ideal type, it's blind to human interaction by design, because economics aren't trying to explain each and every human interaction and therefore shouldn't try to do it, there are other fields that try to deal with it. You shouldn't treat economics as the Emerald Tablet, because it's not.

[@MrBumbo90]

Most under-rated channel on KZbin right now.

[@kidkous]

He did great things in Russia in a time of hungry, which I think is why we buried him in the Depression. What he did or didn't do, seemed minor to the need, and was minor to his prior reported miracles, which were certainly exaggerated, making him go from a savior of Russia in the early 20s, to a doomer of America in the late 20s and 30s. Throw in some Xenophobia and Anti-communism, and Herbie was always doomed.

[@malcolmabram2957]

The trouble is that policies have a long term affect, the result of which it is the next incumbent who gets the credit. Trump was praised for a bludgeoning economy but the seeds for this were sown in the previous administration.

[@Foolish188]

Hoover was always into raising food prices for farmers. Somehow, it escaped his notice that poor people ate food. Poor people, a hundred years ago, lived on the edge. And Hoover pushed them hard, many were devastated.

[@DebbiesSanctuary49]

So were the farmers! The "Dust bowl" for example.

[@Pan_Z]

FDR did the exact same practice. He pushed for price floors so farmers wages would remain high. Hoover & FDR both had the false assumption that if wages remained high, it would stop a depression. In reality it just leads to high prices & unemployment, which progressively get worse as no one can afford anything.

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

FDR crushed American Farmers. Laborers being prioritized over farmers is a common trend in post-industrial society in general

[@footballingandhistoryenthu8699]

The most unique aspect of Hoover's presidency is that he seemed to favour Government intervention exactly where it wasn't needed (Smoot-Hawley Tarrif Act), and oppose government intervention exactly where it was needed (Fiscal Stimulus, and support for a banking sector that held the life savings of millions of Americans).

[@sebastienholmes548]

You can debunk the hoover myth by simply telling people about the forgotten depression.

[@melissaroscher1080]

Just finished a book and it mentions how Truman called on Hover for post ww2 help. Wasn't he respected in the Philippines?

[@tomfrazier1103]

President Taft was more esteemed in the Phillippines. He was Governor there during some of the U.S.Administration there. Taft Ave. in Manila was renamed Daitoa during the Japanese Military Administration.

[@tonyauxier5411]

Great analysis of Herbert Hoover, and in brief, of FDR. Also, a good application of history in comparing this situation from nearly a century ago, to the current one.

[@NewDealChief]

I feel like the reason why Hoover didn't succeed the way FDR did was because Hoover was too hesitant to intervene and was too trusting of Wall Street to help.

[@johnmarkharris]

FDR didn’t succeed, WWII killed the New Deal and that helped more than anything.

[@evensong3356]

If someone says X did nothing to solve Y or X solved Y completely then they usually don't know much about the subject, complex problems rarely if ever have a simple solution.

[@theMOCmaster]

I was also taught these lies in school, that Hoover did nothing and the New Deal ended the depression, had to unlearn it when I was studying each of the presidents closely. Great video.

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

Probably because the current Public Education System took form during the New Deal which Hoover was not always an enthusiastic supporter of

[@mr.g1758]

Great presentation. Millions have been brainwashed into thinking government can fix economic dislocations but they cannot and should not try to police things relating to employment and interest rates.

[@chainehistoire7616]

Well, I am impressed I never actually asked myself how the Hoover dam came to be Great video without to much details but a very clear message and enough evidence to back it up

[@adamestes5227]

The Hoover Dam was originally called Boulder Dam (the city of Boulder City, Nevada, was originally built as a settlement for workers on the dam), and the dam was only named for President Hoover in 1947 by a joint resolution of Congress.

[@chainehistoire7616]

@@adamestes5227 yes, and doing some more research it was a project dating back some decades in the late 1920ies that Hoover speeded

[@adamestes5227]

@@chainehistoire7616 correct. The project started in 1928, but construction didn’t begin until 1931, and was completed in 1936. A lot of laborers came from all over the country with their families, since it was a steady source of income in some of the worst days of the Great Depression.

[@Usual_User]

My God I was playing new Vegas lately and I was like "hey, I know hear it before")

[@jasonkiefer1894]

@@adamestes5227 That's because when it was completed FDR was president, and he was NOT going to let it be known as Hoover Damn. Roosevelt was the one who named it Boulder Dam, is a classic dick move.

[@broadstreet21]

Hoover's problem was perception... somehow he failed to give the perception he was doing something to fix the problem. He was said to be a poor communicator, but he seemed like a good communicator in these clips. In hindsight, whatever he did wasn't enough.

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

Why wasn't it enough? Much of the crisis was created through "overblown rhetoric and calls for drastic action", otherwise known as Propaganda

[@matsal3211]

Seeing you and watching the cynical historian really points out to me that there is no such thing as a non-partisan historian. there’s always gonna be a historian who are gonna be liberal towards FDR and conservative against FDR but I somehow want to still believe that a historian can be non-partisan.

[@fliporhold]

Ww2 helped weeken government price controls which strengthened manufacturing when the war ended government didn't reimpose draconian controls Taxes were high.. But you could get a tax deduction for almost everything.. Credit card interest? Deduction

[@surfernorm6360]

what are you babbling about - credit card interest interest?? there were no credit cards at the end of WW2

[@bfisch81]

Great job as always. Keep it up!

[@stevearchtoe7039]

FDR: These Hoover policies don’t work! Let’s repeat them for 9 years!

[@EricCoop]

We now have questions about FDR having polio. He did regain partial use of his legs, which suggests he more than likely had GBS.

[@hope-cat4894]

Well now I'm upset that all this wasn't brought up in school. I hope we no longer continue to spread this myth in schools anymore, and prevent new ones from spreading too. By the way, one of the reasons I enjoy watching channels like yours vs. learning in school is the lack of pressure to pay attention for tests and I can take my time with the information instead of quickly moving on to the next topic. Not important, just wanted to state my appreciation.

[@HappyTimes-1933]

this video is a myth

[@Usual_User]

@@HappyTimes-1933 Evidence?

[@Septimus_ii]

There's a lot of things to learn in very little time during school history lessons. Adding nuance to Hoover's reputation isn't a high priority

[@bobbyhathorn8847]

NoNoNoNoNo! What happened was, Hoover told his buddies, "You know what'd be fun? Let's start a Depression!" Then, 6 seconds after FDR got voted in, the new prez said, Y'all, the Depression is over!", and the very next day there was a Chicken in every pot. Of course, I'm being cheeky, ans the Brits might say.

[@evandafoe1222]

I find it rather bold of him to assert that the new deal didn’t end the depression claiming that historians say so and proceed to cite not a single historian saying so...

[@mkendallpk4321]

In truth WWII helped end the depression. Money from the Allies and the jobs created to make munitions were what started the climb out.

[@kles44]

Evan I wish I could provide you sources (I can't at this moment) but talking from personal experience in the American school system, we are taught that Hoover did nothing and let the depression happen and that Roosevelt's programs were all successful and helped America exit the depression. I remember clearly from my own college history class going over Roosevelt's programs as if they were good merely due to the intent. I was never taught a out the success or lack of success until I did my own research.

[@ClyDIley]

Look up Thomas Sowell's conclusions on the depression, from what I remember the recession was easing until Congress passed Roosevelt's expansions and the FED got off their ass and proceeded to nuke the economy into the ground for the next 8-10 years.

[@gregb6469]

Read NEW DEAL OR RAW DEAL by Burton Folsom.

[@LaddDentalGroup]

Much needed video!! Love your content man

[@thegeneralissimo470]

If any of you ever get the chance, I’d visit the Hoover presidential library in West Branch, Iowa.

[@basileus5865]

I just finished reading America's great depression by murray rothbard and was looking for something more on hoover finally found someone talking about the myth of hoover's laissez-faire awesome

[@ActingHerReaction]

False harm causing statements made without adequate research into the truthfulness of it all? Check check check! Bruh my man Hoover needs to crawl outta his grave and sue the crap outta some people.

[@kasunex1772]

I''m definitely open to reinterpretations of Herbert Hoover as I feel that most historians are far too hard on him. However I was pretty confused by this video for most of it. The idea that FDR was first politician to lie or to have the press back him up in his lies is pretty ridiculous and an extremely shaky grounding for what is a complete reinterpretation of a famous historical figure. And besides, by this logic, how did FDR gain so much popularity if he was doing the exact same thing as Hoover? And why is FDR portrayed so machiavellian for doing the sorts of things that practically every politician ever has done? But after finishing the video and seeing the comparison to Trump, I see what's going on here. It's cherry picking, plain and simple. Hoover did some things just like Trump did some things, but nobody thought they did enough. It didn't feel like the government was doing anything. So because verbal discourse is verbal discourse, that got oversimplified to saying that they did literally nothing. FDR did way more once he got into power than Hoover had done, and so the contrast mattered more than fair interpretation of facts. This video does a good job of explaining that Hoover did more than we think and give him credit for, but it did a piss poor job of putting that into context. The whole story is presented, borderline literally at times, as poor innocent good natured Herbert Hoover being bullied by the big mean plagiarizing FDR. It's laughable. Edit: just checked the sources. What a shock that the books are all written by right-wing historians (two of which are literally associated with the libertarian Cato institute). Those books are not about Hoover, they are about criticizing FDR for the sake of a political agenda. Shocking. What a garbage showing.

[@jean-philipperameau4220]

Wow, you're such an intellectual! Just say "right-wing historian" and SLAM DUNK! DISPROVEN!

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

Read Bernays on Propaganda then reinstate yourself. It's not "organic support" that made FDR who he is The reason why FDR is comparatively popular can be seen as a result of him proclaiming to save society from his own manufactured crisis. In short, he appealed to the masses with his personal charisma and this appeal was further enforced by careful manipulations of events and implications of blackmail. To quote one of his close associates: "Anyone who is not with us is against us"

[@kasunex1772]

@@user-hu3iy9gz5j that is a deeply unconvincing counter argument.

[@kasunex1772]

​@@jean-philipperameau4220i believe i said a whole comments worth of things beside that.

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

@@kasunex1772 Then wouldn't it be easy for you to respond? Wolfgang Schivelbush's "Three New Deals" is another source of insight. It outlines Mussolini and Italian Corporativism, British Labour, and to a lesser but not wholly insignificant extent Weimar and Nazi Germany's influences upon Roosevelt's policy making

[@genghiskhan5701]

I say World War 2 saved FDR's image and propelled him to the likes of Washington and Lincoln in collective memory. Let us see if China would do the same thing to Joe.

[@yaisef1]

Well if ww2 was what really ended the great depression, doesn't that mean the new deal wasn't big enough?

[@zacharymarentette5269]

FDR multiplied the national debt by over a factor of 10 during his presidency. And while a significant portion was certainly for Lend Lease and WW2, in what world could such a number be considered "not enough" especially when the debt was inherited from an already established bug government interventionist President Hoover?

[@RickJaeger]

"bug government"

[@blu3_enjoy]

@@RickJaeger lol

[@GooglyMcDoubleface]

He gave the hint with Gerald Ford about Kamala harris. 8-10 could be when kamala gets in as president. scary

[@Kresh42]

As an Iowan, i feel redeemed.

[@littlerichardthetruekingof1028]

He definitely did more than people say

[@gregb6469]

Some argue that he tried to do too much, and instead should have learned the lesson of the 1920 depression, which ended fairly quickly, and without any government intervention.

[@oaa-ff8zj]

12:46 no that’s Lincoln

[@tylerholz5468]

I love it that your taking a step against the American ccp

[@Foolish188]

People need a History lesson on Unit Banking. Responsible for most of the Panics and Depressions in American History.

[@sheldonwheaton881]

The Belgium Relief Fund comes to mind.🗿

[@Hamsteak]

Great video 👍

[@briannawaldorf8485]

See I never was taught hoover was a fat cat capitalist - I was taught he was well intentioned but incompetent. Which this video super supports. He didn’t realise how much he was fucking the economy but he was trying really hard to fix it. I was under the impression that Coolidge was the fat cat capitalist.

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

Coolidge did at last agree to intervention but I suppose capitalism just resolved itself before that. Shame Hoover didn't get a hand in to reincarcerate the fading crisis, don't you think?

[@tobygoodguy4032]

Finally ... someone was born to defend HH. In other news, very schweet parallel comparisons between 'crippled' 32 and demented 46.

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

Interesting. Not something I was wholly unfamiliar with, but certainly interesting.

[@mk-tg1fn]

Comparing the mischaracterization of Hoover with Trump's inaction and constant missteps with covid is a real reach, but at the end of the day, to the winners write history not the losers.

[@matthewlawlor1742]

Great video! I definitely disagree on a few points, particularly with oversimplifying the New Deals impact and the modern connection. However its nice to see the correcting of a myth and a wonderful history channel on KZbin. I'm a history teacher in NY I'd love to use parts of this for historiography. (If I teach US one day)

[@LlyleHunter]

I agree. The Reconstruction Finance Corporation made the US Federal Government the single wealthiest entity in the world and certainly worked

[@LlyleHunter]

Buying back gold certainly had an effect in controlling the value of the dollar

[@stephenpierce2242]

Wow great video! Visited his presidential library in Iowa and they didn't talk about half of this stuff! I do disagree with you though about the New Deal and it's effectiveness

[@johnalbent]

Milton Friedman demolishes that myth about Hoover. It's when history gets politicised.

[@herrerasauro7429]

As an economist studies specifically economic history and has written about this specific time around the world, leading up to and after the 29's crash, it's not new knowledge that the perception about Hoover's policies and his portrayal were very different things, but I find it very important to undo the myth, yet the conclusions are so out of left field and dismissive of true economic debate that it reinforces what has been said on the video: historians seems to truly are bad interdisciplinary studies and in doing so you're dispelling one myth just to create another.

[@theflop8266]

I think of the vacuum

[@36cmbr]

Ok. This is good digs. You’re working up on a donation.

[@iBMcFly]

Says the guy with a globe in the background. 😂

[@anskadberg]

In my research, Herbert is likely the most astonishing human being who has ever lived. America now, would be totally lost if it weren't for the good karma, and practical foundations upon which he put under our country, to offset the Communist objectives of FDR, Churchill and Stalin, as we were marched into WWII as soon as FDR got into office. Herbert's book Freedom Betrayed is an amazing scholarly, and historical work. And, as we watch the socialist/Communist uprisings on college campuses, the seriousness of Herbert's prophecies and warnings should be heeded, if we are going to save our nation, and the world.

[@mathieuleader8601]

you know I thought J Edgar and Herbert where related

[@Benjifan2000]

I've always been taught that Hoover did stuff to help, but everything he tried made the Depression worse. I refuse to believe that Trump did something when he caught Covid around the time of the 2020 election.

[@stevenmike1878]

dam thats crazy my history teacher: hoover was trash and did nothing and made the depression worse but in reality: he would be the spider man holding and slowing down the train scene. then deadpool later walking in and stopping the rest of the train, taking the credit and saying spider man was just sitting there, doing nothing, watching the whole time, and he kinda started the incident in the first place.

[@MrSthotwhelz]

Hooverville

[@SatoshiFibonacci]

Bidenvilles

[@VJMorph]

That wheelbarrow you are pushing is getting awfully squeaky mate.

[@HappyTimes-1933]

is this a British/Australian expression

[@larryreese6146]

A lot of older people who actually lived through that depression and who were actually affected by the policies and measures taken by F.D.R. would violently disagree with you. If poor Mr. Hoover was totally misunderstood it was because they were starving and their perception was that not enough or nothing was being done.

[@trackingthecoreofstuffandm2310]

Causal do you realize that sales are based on revenue accured from spending

[@matthewperry5121]

Good job mister

[@thecatbat]

I am just learning that Herbert Hoover and J Edgar Hoover are different people.... I am gonna shuffle away in shame as I tell myself, its okay, you're Canadian over and over... as if that is an excuse hahaha damn. Wow. I am an idiot.

[@hewhohasnoidentity4377]

That's okay, I'm sure 60% or more Americans don't know who either of them are. " Ahh, the guy the dam is named after?" Reality is both of them have stories around them that would seem beyond our imagination today.

[@gregb6469]

The different first names wan't a clue?

[@daxbruce3491]

What can Trump do? He can't call Biden out on his lies, his base won't allow it.

[@gespensttype-r68]

I do appreciate what you said concerning Trump. I think he handled the Pandemic poorly, but you are correct in saying that his Administration DID do something. I feel that when one is criticizing something, it's easy to exaggerate the wrong done, and thus spread a lie unintentionally. Trump caused a lot of Chaos and often signaled the desire to just pretend the disease did not exist, effectively turning something that effects all people in to a wedge issue. But his administration did help with the vaccine...though even this was handled clumsily, as well as the nasty bit where the Trump administration didn't want to help "Blue states".

[@Potatotenkopf]

-Clumsy -Didn't want to help blue state (densely populated centers) -Signaled the virus didn't even exist or would go away on it's own / -At least he helped with the vaccines ;( that's something

[@Potatotenkopf]

@@night6724 1. South Korea is an example of an efficient response, yes I know Korea and US are very different but I also know the US has way more resources. 2. You don't know if covid would simply go away, I think it's going to turn into a flu type disease. 3. I mean if you get covid and your lungs get completely fucked to the point you can barely go up a couple stairs even as a young 20 year old I'd say it is worth sacrificing some personal freedoms for short term. 4. Vaccines don't work if the people don't get vaccinated and trumps side of the isle has encouraged all/most of the vaccine hesitancy, meaning even if he did push the vaccines out it doesn't matter since his people squawk and squawk about how vaccines have magnets or how they're going to kill you in a month.

[@Potatotenkopf]

@@night6724 1. Quick small scale contact tracing, forced social pressure for masks(not this do what you want bullshit)very harsh population dispersion in high density areas or cities, telling people to stay in home, immediate foreigner control especially from China regardless of nationality. 1.5 Biden literally just got in you can't blame him for deaths that started under Trump. 2. You absolutely cannot say lockdowns don't do anything because you have no way of assessing how bad things would be in an alternate reality without lockdowns. 3. Yeah maybe for healthy people it's 98% but for anyone with prior conditions, (ie. Asthma, obesity, allergies) its much more dangerous, also if 98% means 5 million deaths I'd rather not imagine what 97% 90% looks like. 4. Telling people to, "do what they want" is weak beta lib shit, yeah guess where those young African Americans all live, in FUCKING REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLD STATES, they may or may not be picking up on republican messaging. I call out stupidity where it is and I most certainly yelled at a couple dems when they said they wouldn't get vaccinated if Trump was involved so I don't care which party is being dumb ill yell at them. 5. Most disease deaths are merely related and not directly caused by the disease, why would a disease kill you if you're it's home, most people die in the battle between their immune system and the disease. 6. Telling people to do what they want literally does nothing, telling an obese person to do what they want will kill them, telling a drug addict to do what they want will do literally nothing.

[@Potatotenkopf]

@@night6724 Korea didn't have an official lock down the same way North Korea is officially democratic, all but in name.

[@Potatotenkopf]

@@night6724 true, but they also didn't talk about how masks were tyranny

[@johnmarkharris]

What ended the Great Depression? WWII 14M young men were taken out of the workforce making unemployment zero. Most importantly, WWII killed the New Deal. This resulted in the end of the Great Depression because the New Deal kept the Great Depression going. 👍🏻

[@stupidminotaur9735]

i never got my 600 dollar stimulus

[@Jokkkkke]

This whole idea that the New Deal was ineffective and therefore the government should’ve not attempted something in this vein isn’t at all the consensus today either though. If you look at the recent global turn in the history of the Great Depression, you see that countries who intervened earlier and more aggressively had more success in overcoming the downturn, for example Japan and Argentina. Also, you can see the disastrous effects of austerity turning recessions into depressions today in countries like Greece. What you’re saying is outdated at this point. Think monetarism vs the much more recent post-Keynesianism

[@jean-philipperameau4220]

The problem is that countries are not practicing austerity when they need to. It's just constant 24/7 government stimulus, subsidies, favors, etc. You're supposed to practice austerity in good times to save up for a downturn, and literally no countries are doing that. We practically have quasi-socialism via bureaucracy at this point.

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

Now I'm just speculating but perhaps "early and aggressive" would in practice means "small intervention during brief period"

[@YogGroove]

Pretty Sure this guy got his degree at PragerU. Majored in Apologia.

[@annache250]

Well, as much as I think the New Deal didn’t end the Great Depression, I think you’re ignoring the Second New Deal and how it created the foundations of our modern welfare state like social security. Also, many mainstream economists argue that during times of recession and especially depression, government spending is needed to push up demand. After all, even the Trump appointed Fed chair Jerome Powell repeatedly stated that the deficit is important but that the government needs to spend more now. Also, many economists argue that what ended the Great Depression was the largest government spending program up to that point, World War 2. I honestly think that the worse thing FDR did was too little but I don’t blame him because Kenysian economics had yet to be proven.

[@Foolish188]

If you can't blame the last President, who you gonna blame?

[@whm_w8833]

I mean, Hoover dam said it all. Edit: FDR’s campaign staff called Hoover a socialist. Ok that’s rich. Edit2: Wait, the New Deal didn’t work? The historian and economist knew about this. Ah, no one got that memo. Edit3: Oh man. This is getting more disturbing about FDR...

[@bloodyplebs]

Dude did you lose weight? If so congrats

[@mathieuleader8601]

history is won by the victors

[@aaronjones8905]

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[@trunkage]

I was saying since 2015 that Trump was another Hoover. Protectionist with the aim to help workers. Forcing companies to keep wages high. Talking about Infrastructure spending. Probably the biggest difference is that Trump wanted to subsidise companies for higher wages

[@GLORYNEVADASMITH]

Very good history , Spot On ! So Hebert Hoover got a bad break . Of course with 20/20 Hindsight , I understand that Hoover didn’t rush in to supporting failing banks ; The calling in of German War Debt is concerning Internationally ; and as you noted , the tariff act didn’t have the intended results .

[@noire6845]

Out of the topic, you look alot like MiniLadd

[@78910idontknow]

Man I love your takes, videos, and general skepticism. Gotta make one complaint though. At the end when you're talking about the Biden administration saying trump did "nothing" I think you're grossly misunderstanding the situation. To me at least, they're obviously speaking hyperbolically, and they're totally correct. The trump admin response was minimal, chaotic, and downright criminally negligent. I feel like this is really close to the classic radical centrist response of "bOtH sIdEs aRe ThE sAMe" when it's patently untrue. Not saying you're trying to do that, but this comes accross portraying Biden like he's on some grandiose scheme to rewrite history, which is a bit ridiculous.

[@yumyumwhatzohai]

Orange man bad boo hoo

[@iamtobler]

His administration shut the country down before most Democrats even suggested it, pushed to create the vaccine faster than any other time in history, held constant press conferences giving the public information on progress and safety measures, and started the distribution of the vaccine after less than a year... How on Earth is that being ‘criminally negligent’. Im sorry but it seems to me that left leaning people are just so anti-trump that they would say say he ‘did nothing’ no matter what he did. I dont like Trump, but claiming he did nothing or was criminally negligent is so ridiculously false man, come on... And Biden knows exactly what he’s doing when he says he ‘did nothing’. He’s lying and trying to re-write the history...

[@sammagic1115]

This video is incredibly underrated. Fantastic work.

[@sodality3970]

"Inflation Joe" , God save us from this administration .

[@SuperRip7]

Hoover lost. But I guess the FDR campaign money silenced him.

[@rogerdines6244]

This is a somewhat like Churchill's treatment of Chamberlain: in order to perpetuate his legacy as a great man, Churchill, or his followers, took it upon himself to try to airbrush Chamberlain out of history: yes; Chamberlain was the wrong man at the wrong time; but, given peace, he would probably have been one of Britain's greatest Prime Ministers-Churchill admitted that Chamberlain served under him well as Lord President of the Council, and, had Chamberlain not got the economy on a sure footing as Chancellor of the Exchequer in the pre-war years, Churchill would not have been able to fight the war he did.

[@1signalstrength]

This is revisionist history. Hoover himself blamed the depression on "shocking abuses in finance and banking" but he did nothing to correct those abuses. The New Deal put in place economic safeguards like social security and imposed regulations on the financial industry that the republicans had failed to enact during the margin buying of the 1920s. In 1932, Hoover supported a sales tax that disproportionately hurt the poor at the very moment poor people were starving to death. Hoover refused the demands of the Bonus Army and then used the military to remove WWI veterans from their camps on the Anacostia River. This resulted in the US Military attacking its own WWI veterans that Hoover should have protected. My grandmother used to bitterly complain that Hoover had tried to "starve us out." No wonder the Democrats won 5 presidential elections in a row after Hoover. This You Tube video is unpersuasive.

[@Arbiter099]

based

[@MordredSimp]

Once Again I trust the government run education system less and less

[@themadoneplays7842]

Still both Trump and Hoover failed thier jobs there is no denying that fact, Trump should have had more action during the crisis as did Hoover.

[@gregb6469]

What exactly do you think Trump shold have done? Be specific.

[@themadoneplays7842]

@@gregb6469 well not treating Covid like a joke is a start. He claimed it would be over by summer yet Covid still killed many afterwards.

[@dallasblues74]

Who is John Galt?

[@tstbad59]

Some things I know, some things I learned. FDR sucks

[@SuperRip7]

Hoover had no charisma. He left the White House soon after.

[@Tymbus]

Ah yes, the Eighties - when the rich got stratispherically richer and the poor got poorer