You Have My Permission

Queen Catherine Parr asks Henry if she may invite his children to court more often.

[@justinandbritneyJLA]

I like this woman she is very intelligent and she thinks with her head and she is mature...

[@zaladaneifyable]

Armida, i liked her really much, but she wasnt really coherent. I understand she made sure that Elizabeth was raised as a protestant because of her mother but Edward?...his mother was catholic and his father was killing people like her

[@gidzmobug2323]

@@zaladaneifyable Anne was raised as a Catholic, but she helped push Henry towards the idea of breaking with Some. Part of what drove Henry to eventually dispense with Anne was her continual meddling in affairs (of state and otherwise)--something which he warned Jane against doing.

[@teniola9304]

Catherine Parr was really a brave woman here. She didnt genuinely loved Henry, she used her position, intelligence, knowledge, wisdom, maturity to run her rulership..

[@Elly3981]

I think Catherine Parr cared for King Henry but yeah, she wasn't in love with him. How could anyone be after what he did to his previous wives? As for Henry, he was already very sick and weak by the time he married Parr and needed someone he could trust to take care of him.

[@jeremyjealousy]

But she didn’t do it further herself, in reality. It was more to gain a friendship with the kids and allow them to see their father more. No?

[@20PINKluvr]

Just noticed that his dinner table is getting more and more big and full

[@20PINKluvr]

Also he was at his unhealthiest during his 5th marriage

[@davidpar2]

Just like Henry!

[@TudorsQueens]

At that time in his life, they say he used to eat 13 dishes a DAY, they said he was in very bad health and very obese (they say when he died, his waist was 1.40 in length)

[@MsWiccanpriestess]

@@TudorsQueens and before he was buried his 28 stone corpse exploded in his coffin.

[@TudorsQueens]

@@MsWiccanpriestess OMGGGGG😱 I didn't know this Thanks

[@EvanSol919]

I'm not sure why Catherine Parr always seems to be potrayed by older actresses when she was only in her early 30s when she married Henry.

[@IBeMelissa]

That's true actually. This actress looks like in her late 40s and I've seen a few other portrayals of Catherine Parr by older actresses...it's strange.

[@fizman22]

It's supposed to signify that she's probably the most mature queen Henry has had since his first wife Catherine of Aragon. Especially in contrast to his immature previous wife Katherine. Henry didn't seem to marry Parr out of lust like he normally does, but simply because she was suitable.Besides Catherine of Aragon she was the only one to act as Regeant while Henry was away. Anne Boleyn would have been capable of this also, but likely would have gotten herself killed even faster since everyone hated her. She was way to outspoken.

[@eureka0521]

fizman22 they knew that, it was just underhanded crying

[@redshadow4145]

Yes Catherine Parr was the same age as Mary Tudor in fact previously she had been one of Mary's ladies in waiting.

[@cocodakilla]

fizman22 and a bitch. She made katherine and marys lives hell because of how insecure she was. No wonder ppl hated her.

[@zoefang4563]

Katherine Parr's my favorite of the six wives--shrewd, intelligent, compassionate, caring=she's the PERFECT stepmother. None of Henry's children had an issue with her. Out of Henry's wives I had the most compassion for Jane Seymour. She was loving, tender, modest, intelligent= the stepmother Mary always wanted and she died after she gave birth. Jane Seymour deserved better.

[@aaliyahaldc3760]

Zoe Fang WRONG she treated Elizabeth TERRIBLY after Henry died

[@aads1823]

I do not like Jane Seymour sorry

[@malak.3853]

Golden Superstar Opinions.

[@aaliyahaldc3760]

Itz MalKitty it’s actually a fact please do research it was under the influence of others too be harsh towards the children

[@fizzydizzystudios4768]

@@aaliyahaldc3760 Catherine's husband Thomas kept constantly harassing Elizabeth, for all we know Catherine kept Elizabeth distant to protect her from him.

[@keelahrose]

"I would not like my son" (weird pause) "Edward to come to court too often" (slightly less weird pause) "for fear that he might catch infection." (sad noise)

[@gidzmobug2323]

Henry did not want Edward at court too often because really was afraid that Edward would catch something. Henry was worried when he caught something himself.

[@susanwaugh3885]

@Katheryne Koelker Your missing the point here he doesn’t mind his daughters coming and catching something but not his son.

[@lalexander1144]

Edward was always weak and sickly. Henry went through great lengths to keep him somewhat bubbled. Mary was also often sickly as a child, but Elizabeth was stronger.

[@SR-iy4gg]

@@susanwaugh3885 His daughters weren't sickly, for one thing.

[@cfinley81]

@@susanwaugh3885 Edward was overprotected by Henry for fear that he would become ill and there goes his male heir. And young Edward had JUST overcome an illness that nearly killed him and compromised his immune system. (Experts believe it was Malaria) So I get it.

[@captainreagar]

He does quite well in acting a man many years older than him

[@VCYT]

I found out this scene is true, as she did petition for his children to visit.

[@gidzmobug2323]

Except that I do not think that either Mary or Elizabeth were ever referred to as Princess again. Jane Seymour had petitioned for Mary's return; had she lived longer, I think she would have done the same for Elizabeth. Both were eventually restored to the succession.

[@amasion2882]

Hannah Dyson : From everything known of Jane I cannot believe she would intentionally shun Elizabeth, wish her harm or blame her for Anne’s transgressions (which she probably knew were false anyway.). Young royals were rarely brought to court to protect their health. Henry largely ignored Elizabeth due to his resentment of Anne. It’s plausible that, had she lived longer, Jane would have encouraged Henry to accept Elizabeth.

[@thereisa]

@@gidzmobug2323 I think they were re-instated to the line of succession sometime after Edward was born. They have a scene with Mary and Elizabeth about it.

[@gidzmobug2323]

@@thereisa Yes, both Mary and Elizabeth were reinstated to the succession. But they never regained the title of "Princess". Till their accessions, they were known as The Lady Mary and The Lady Elizabeth

[@thereisa]

@@gidzmobug2323 Fascinating! I assumed Princess and Prince were the precursor to Queen and King - Didn't know you could be in the line of succession without having the title. TIL :)

[@Foxkitten86]

They did a marvellous job of conveying the danger. Henry was a monster.

[@jacobzaranyika9334]

One of my favourite miniseries of all time. Beautifully done. After watching it when it came out, I had to get the entire show on DVD for my library. Years later my son got addicted to it. Money well spent.

[@tianabrown3074]

Henry VIII did NOT look like that.

[@Cissablack708]

Yea he was not any where near that sexy. Like at all.

[@natiliee.s.5476]

We all know that this show is completely inaccurate. But you are absolutely Right.

[@MelissetteV1]

Actually though the hair color is off & Henry had gained weight &had a fuller beard by this time this portrayal is not that far off.And in his prime Henry was considered very strapping & good looking, helped by the fact that in his younger days he was an extremely active & excellent athlete.

[@ingriddubbel8468]

What? Short, slight and dark haired? This actor sucks at playing Henry.

[@fcv4616]

@@Cissablack708 Actually, in his youth Henry was famous for being very handsome. He was really tall, muscular and had good, masculine features, (he was red-haired though, unlike in the show). He eventually gained a lot of weight though, and aged quickly because of gout.

[@CaitlinSk]

Its funny that they never say "oh you shouldn't have" bc it would have been taken as an insult

[@eureka0521]

lol i noticed that, Henry showered them girls with so many damn gifts too

[@WWIzd]

Expect for the hair, she resembles Katherine, and one of my favorites that played her.

[@ShortShit132]

Lol, I feel like thats the first time Henry said "Your welcome" XD

[@m7dasplatoon539]

She is the kind of mother who wants his kids or in this case stepchildren to focus in studies and government and less daddy issues

[@Emii]

i love the tudors i hope that showtime will have more history periods of the different kings and how they ruled on tv.

[@anja1627]

Emii I would want to see Henry VII and Elizabeth of York portrayed. I loved and enjoyed the BBC's Shadow of the Tower (1972) so much. Despite its budget restrictions, its content was just amazing. Acting, rich dialogue, plot, etc etc. Hope there's a reboot. I just want to see the father and mother of the Tudor Dynasty portrayed in series because I think we've already got too much of their son and grandchildren. :D

[@leahinbloom]

Dane Mitch there is a series that has been made recently called 'The White Princess' :)

[@zaladaneifyable]

Emmii, i loved the show!, its so well done and mostly according to history. But still they changed many thing with Catherine Parr, Thomas Seymour didnt love him, he was very abusive and a pervet who tried to marry Elisabeth before her. And Mary and her were alway great friends, she even named her only daughter Mary

[@xxxxxx5062]

I read that in real life, mary never fell out with catherine parr bc she's a protestant. she still loved her and got along with her and they lived together for a while after henry sent them away and died

[@arcadiacom7442]

Learn more about British actress Joely Richardson in the role of Catherine Parr 😛 queen Catherine's good sense, moral rectitude, compassion, firm religious commitment and strong sense of loyalty and devotion have earned her many admirers among historians😈

[@annettemillward-johnson5294]

Yes she was very intelligent. She was the first woman and Queen to have a book published under her own name. It was called Prayers or Meditations……..

[@BSGT1293]

That was nice, after been lonely for years Mary and Elizabeth would see again their father.

[@gidzmobug2323]

Mary did see her father when Jane Seymour was Queen. She did not care much for Katherine Howard, though.

[@user-uh4gh4md5u]

I heard that Howard often treated Elizabeth like a sister and Mary more like a person that she could nitpick

[@xxwhispersxx2856]

I just realized Joely Richardson is the daughter of the great Vanessa Redgrave. Her sister was Natasha Richardson, who tragically died around this time this season aired in a sking accident and her former brother in law is Liam Neeson.

[@heatherwaetzig2633]

Wow really that's amazing. Vanessa Redgrave portrayed Mary Queen of Scots back in the 70s.

[@happybeagle]

I love the Tudors~

[@allanfifield8256]

Trying to eat with all those people standing around, yeech.

[@gidzmobug2323]

That is how it was done back then. A royal was used to such behavior, as he or she had been taught that it was normal.

[@overwatchstories3302]

My favourite wive of King Henry VIII is Anne Boleyn.

[@shaguftanaqvi1361]

Me too

[@418bhavyakriti6]

Me too

[@sidbid1590]

Catherine of Aragon

[@Asia-zd1rg]

Mine too! I also loved Katy Howard and Anne of Cleves

[@star7689]

Same I also like Jane Seymour

[@mahidevranhaseki]

Such an underrated character. Even Catherine Howard has more fans even though she's only a child with no interesting attributes. Catherine Parr on the other hand is an amazing woman. I never understood why she's not admired like Catherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn, or Jane Seymour. She is intelligent and has a political figure just like Catherine. She shares similar values to Anne. And she acts obedient to keep her head just as Jane did. She's the combination of all the women Henry ever loved. I think he chose her as his final five because he felt guilty for all the things he did to his past wives. He made amends by marrying Catherine Parr. Also, it is known that Catherine of Aragon was the godmother of Catherine Parr and Parr was named after her. The connection between them and the fact that their character is so similar may indicate that Henry went through all those wives just to end up with one just like CoA. I think he considered CoA as his one true love and loved her more than anyone else.

[@SR-iy4gg]

That's a whole lot of speculation. Also, I wasn't aware that ANY of his wives were "admired." More like pitied.

[@nahirlulu3710]

SHE WAS BEAUTIFUL WOMAN! HENRY IS HORRIBLE!

[@user-uh4gh4md5u]

NAHIR LULU Henry died before anything could happen to her

[@Ethericrose]

I dont care what people say about him. I adore him.

[@squamish4244]

Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded...SURVIVED.

[@crazyloverofcats]

@1college07 because history even dramalization of history is fascinating!!!!!!

[@hachile6320]

Can someone translate for me the passage about Elizabeth?

[@emmanlineses7314]

Five down I'm a final wife....

[@lvrraine]

I saw him to the end of his life.. IM A SURVIVOR CATHERINE PARR-

[@iateyourtoesehe]

I BET YOU WANNA KNOW HOW I GOT THIS FAR I SAID I BET YOU WANNA KNOW WE GOT THIS FAR HEY!!

[@juvialockser7390]

Six... 👍 I love it too

[@veronicashertoine1810]

He really had a bias against poor Elizabeth

[@gidzmobug2323]

I think he did warm to Elizabeth over time. Besides, younger children were not often at Court (they would be in a separate wing of the palace--or in another palace altogether.

[@Nicollie1062]

@HistoryLover1550 war of the roses would be a superb series.. elizabeth woodville, the kingmaker, anne neville, george/edward IV/richard IIIplantagenet, cecily neville, princes in the tower...all the battles...edward of westminster, margaret of anjou... I mean, the list goes on!! I would literally beg them to make a series like that!!

[@Annais1211]

Nicole Aramova It has already been made and it is "The White Queen".

[@idontgiveafaboutyou]

Annais Maia it’s only about Elizabeth Woodville and not the actual story of the WOTR

[@kerrilyons7432]

white princess. its about that, its about how they united the 2 roses.

[@huelu982]

I hope you knew you’re exiled for messing up with a married couple...

[@MultiMissLucy]

@PrincessMaryJaneKOA Was Princess Mary and Lady Elizabeth But in one of the episodes Mary says to her sister Elizabeth that they're heirs of the throne after Edward. First Mary then Elizabeth

[@zaladaneifyable]

Elizabeth that was a mistake, Elizabeth wasnt ever called princess after her mother died because their married was considered null by his own father, the head of the church in England.

[@gidzmobug2323]

Linkexx Both had been removed from the succession after the marriages were annulled. They were both later restored to the succession. But they were not called "Princess" once the marriages were over.

[@aureliachircu7452]

Is Lee Williams playing in this episode?

[@PrincessMaryJaneKOA]

0:45. What is going on there????? LADY Mary and PRINCESS Elizabeth???? I am totally bias toward Princess Mary, but shoudn't it be either Lady Mary AND Elizabeth or Princess Mary and Princess Elizabeth???? I cannot keep track of these changing titles!

[@gidzmobug2323]

GeorgianPrincess I suspect that the two titles to be used interchangeably. Officially, they were both "Lady", as both marriages had been annulled.

[@amysolley4268]

I believe it might have been used in the sense that age was taken into factor. Mary was in fact a grown woman by this point, whereas Elizabeth wasn't quite there yet. In fact later on after Elizabeth lives with Catherine Parr... Well let's just say that the things that were recorded to have happened were deplorable and that Catherine perhaps might not have been as amazing as people think she was by watching the series.

[@liyah5726]

I also think it was due to the church and their influence. Henry was clearly Protestant by the time of his marriage to Catherine Parr. Elizabeth and Edward were recognized as Protestant and thus, they were seen as legitimate (even despite what happened with Anne) but Mary was not. Hence the interchangeable use of titles for them.

[@SR-iy4gg]

biased, not bias

[@cmm5542]

Technically they would both only have been called Lady as they had been declared illegitimate. Calling them princess at any time in the Tudors is an anachronism to make it clear to modern viewers these ladies will one day be queens of England!

[@helenarichard]

Where are the dalmations?

[@chooseyourpoison5105]

It's almost like actors and actresses can play different roles . . .

[@Vesnicie]

Old Johnny boy has never managed to sound anything but Irish, has he? I guess that explains Henry's red hair in Holbein portraits.

[@DramaQueenBree]

Snuggles McSquishbottom The Tudors are famous for their Red/Blonde hair. It was inherited from Henry’s Mother Elizabeth Of York

[@puddylump41]

@@DramaQueenBree Red hair was prominent in most of the royal families of Europe during the Renaissance period. Particularly most notably in the English, Spanish and Scottish royal families. Considering these royal houses were related and they were all cousins, its not really that surprising i guess.

[@DramaQueenBree]

@@puddylump41 I am aware of that. I just recall whenever it comes to the Tudor dynasty their red/blonde hair was talked about often as it is stated that Elizabeth of York passed it down to her children.

[@SR-iy4gg]

Henry was not Irish, nor did he have an Irish accent.

[@DramaQueenBree]

@@SR-iy4gg you don’t need to be Irish to have red hair. I said the Tudors were famous for the reddish/blonde hair. Queen Elizabeth herself was famous for this hair I believe.

[@freyasslain2203]

If you look at the portraits of Catherine Parr , she in my opinion , was the best looking of Henry's wives . She stood at six feet tall with waist length red hair , and model thin. If she had been born in this century , she would have been a supermodel , or at least a runway model for some famous Haute Couture fashion house .

[@SR-iy4gg]

Where on earth are you getting that from? Her coffin would indicate she was no taller than 5'10," which would have been remarked on had she been that tall, which is unusual even today for a woman. Most likely, she was closer to 5'4". Also, her hair was blond, not red.

[@freyasslain2203]

@@SR-iy4gg That's not what I read.

[@chooseyourpoison5105]

Say what? Katherine Parr was roughly five feet four. A lock of her hair is also preserved at Sudeley Castle and it is dark blonde, not red. We know she had a liking for fashionable ornate gowns, magnificent jewellery and elaborate shoes, so it's a safe guess that she liked to take care with her appearance; but saying she looked like a supermodel is taking it a bit far.

[@freyasslain2203]

@@chooseyourpoison5105 thats not what I've read . And I've read alot of books on the matter .

[@michellekinder3051]

I think if she was alive today....a doctor or a lawyer, or a judge or a politician or a ceo or a journalist or anything as she was extremely smart.

[@nuttapongphetpradub8005]

The only biggest mistake of this show is the costume of the queens. But all of them especially the acting and casting was perfect.

[@gidzmobug2323]

"Princess Mary" and "Princess Elizabeth"? They had both been downgraded to "Lady" when their mothers were divorced. Were they restored to "Princess" at some point?

[@gidzmobug2323]

@Joc A Yes, but they were still Ladies till their own accessions.

[@misakilouise8140]

I mean they can't force the actor to gain weight.

[@xxwhispersxx2856]

Padding and fat suits are an option tho.

[@LauraW102]

Wooohoooo! LADY Mary and PRINCESS Elizabeth!!

[@zaladaneifyable]

none of them were called princess at that time

[@tomwotton9]

I never saw this series, are they really suggesting this is what he looked like by the time he got to Cathrin? For Gods sake, he was an old man who could barely walk!

[@loriannwhite8384]

There’s a reason why the producers of TT, didn’t want to show Henry 8th real aging & gout. It would showcase how ugly he really is/was.

[@EM-lz9kg]

They have Catherine right correctly as she was highly intelligent , yet JRM is ludicrous as Henry viii was hugely overweight & his legs were in full badges due to Ulcers he would’ve had a full on blown diabetes he couldn’t walk and had to be carried and he was always with his fool summers

[@imanuglybitch3086]

I see majority of comments have said, King henry VIII does not look like that, yes it is true but when he didnt eat like that, it was a leg injury when he 44 when he was young he was known to be very fit, muscular and athletic, the leg injury caused him to avoid exercise, he got used to it and started having 13 heavy meals a day! I hope that answers your question.

[@SR-iy4gg]

I think everyone's aware of that. But people mean that as an older man, Henry did not look the way he is portrayed here. So, the question is, why did they not get someone who looked more like him to play him as an older man?

[@Elly3981]

@@SR-iy4gg Because "The Tudors" was meant to be entertainment, not historically accurate. If they portrayed King Henry as he really was, the show probably would have lost its ratings because fans would be turned off. Its no secret Henry was a gross slob in his later years.

[@Elly3981]

King Henry VIII was actually a very good looking man in his youth when he was more athletic and fit. He did have an accident later in life which affected his mobility but Henry would have still been able to stay in decent shape if he didn't eat and drink the way he did.

[@AndalSeshadri]

Nicolliw1062 check out the white queen

[@Cissablack708]

I heard that wad really good

[@tracyrunyan2522]

How are two people supposed to eat all that food?

[@chooseyourpoison5105]

They're not. It was tradition that the leftovers were given to the servants, and their leftovers were in turn given to beggars at the kitchen door. Nothing was wasted. Hygiene was pretty poor back then and nobody had an issue with eating food that someone else had already had a bite of.

[@michellekinder3051]

​@chooseyourpoison5105 that is true but i read where Henry was a glutton beyond the imagination i think he weighted over 400 pounds when he died, ulcers, diabetes, gout complications from a jousting accident and so much more. Catherine was more of a nursemaid than wife to him. But she knew how to calm him down best.

[@thomashazlewood4658]

I watched several episodes of this. The puny Henry VIII was so anti-historical that I shunned it. Who cast this man?

[@allanfifield8256]

Of course, filmed in a modern American accent so that it can be understood by a modern audience. I wonder what the conversation really sounded like. Probably incomprehensible without subtitles.

[@kendralynn897]

It’s an interesting thought isn’t it? I’ve often wondered how much we’d be able to understand. I’ve seen pictures of some of their letters and can really only decipher a handful of words.

[@juvialockser7390]

Actually the Tudors, had most British actors and was mostly in British accent... At least if I remember.

[@SR-iy4gg]

I doubt it would have been incomprehensible. They spoke modern English, the language of Shakespeare. They weren't still speaking old or middle English. Also, I don't think you meant to say "modern American accent." This has nothing to do with American or accents.

[@SR-iy4gg]

@@kendralynn897 If you can understand Shakespeare, then you could certainly understand Henry VIII! They were all speaking and writing modern English. Now if it had been Old English, yes, that would be difficult for us. Middle English would have been easier, but still challenging. Chaucer wrote in Middle English.

[@juvialockser7390]

@@SR-iy4gg why, yes! Of course, I studied Shakespeare, and other autors of that era. I didn't find it particularly difficult. The pronunciation of some words has changed, but mainly it's easily comprehensible.

[@loreleicross4530]

This. Is taking sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long to load what a load of rubbish

[@Mr5thWave]

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