You may not want me on camera for this!

[@toyfederation]

Remember! We have a new podcast episode every Saturday on our Podcast channel!

[@dwg8084]

Just wanted to say I really appreciate you expanding a little about the overhead costs of running a business and for instance not getting stuff complete or getting stuck with an item. People probably forget allot when they throw out prices in the comments. I'd also like to add expertise to the cost of doing business. Someone who is an expert in a field probably invested huge amounts of time into learning things for wich they never saw a dime. Anyway keep it up this is now easily my favorite KZbin channel. To bad I'm in Europe would have loved to bring something in just to have a chat and a laugh.

[@EgaTehPro]

You should link it in your descriptions of each video

[@danielveniegas6197]

No room that’s his response. I’ve asked the same thing.

[@donnied74]

Podcast is awesomeness

[@RaphaelCosteau]

what is the link to that?!

[@mjanovec]

There has to be certain customers you’re happy to see exit the building. I can almost sense the joy at seeing that guy take his toys and go home.

[@JasonKeezer]

Threading the podcast commentary and footage into the episode was such a great call. It really elevated an already engaging program into something quite special. Thanks for what you all are doing. Great job Team Toy Fed!

[@McClintockOnline]

EXACTLY

[@AceHole90]

No.. its not good

[@homersimpson5668]

It’s good

[@Kayla-id1uy]

shut ur nerdy ass up

[@Fresh114]

Reminds me of the old show Comic Book Men.

[@luke7834]

Haha, I thoroughly enjoyed the last shot. The guy slinking out and business continuing unhindered. Cinematography 10/10.

[@ArcadeBroke]

"80 to 90 .. I rounded to 100" 😄

[@Nosfeast]

Owner did the same thing as well though on the trade value rounded it up.

[@ArcadeBroke]

@@Nosfeast that's what I'm commenting on. TF roundin' up to from 90 to 100 on trade when they don't have to do that.

[@bettynuggz]

​@@ArcadeBrokeyou're a clown you don't even know how to works, since it's a trade they're doing credit instead of cash, and credit means the customer has to spend the credit there in the store to buy stuff. More than likely it leads to them spending even more money because they are purchasing items within the store. That's why stores and people like him give customers that kind of deal. Give them more store credit, so they shop more. Clown

[@Nosfeast]

@@ArcadeBroke I thought you meant when the guy said $80-$90 I just rounded up to $100.And yes I know they don't have to do that been watching them for a long time.I think the guy just wanted them to add everything up at trade value and then give him half trade and half cash.But that is not how it works.

[@80sToysRoc]

😂😂 I caught that too.

[@80sToysRoc]

“I thought you said it was going for $100 on eBay?” “Well, $80-$90, I just rounded it.” 😂

[@Luke-mq6mn]

& no doubt that's before fees.

[@homersimpson5668]

Yeah I’m just gunna round it $20!! Haha , rounding is like 2-3$ at most

[@MrChristopoop]

Our boy Burf likes a good toy fed episode as well.

[@CarbonScoring]

This was even more fascinating seeing a deal that didn’t go through - super interesting!

[@KarnageKollectibles]

I love when you come back and say 'well you don't have to sell any of it' because he's acting like he's doing yall a favor. "Well we can...?". Its like dude, either do it or don't.

[@rogertrump1026]

That guy was being difficult, props to Ryan and his staff for having patience to deal with him. Ryan makes a great point he has to make money because nowadays to run a business it's way more expensive than ever.

[@bobross8585]

Yeah, it's even more expensive than it was in the 50s too. Who would've thought?

[@bennyblanco7680]

How come you guys never put a table out when going through a collection? Why does it have to be always on the floor??

[@theriotartist]

It's like Christmas!

[@thaddeusmcgrath]

Dude I wonder that too, those guys are in shape. I would be sore.

[@maze-nc1ut]

I’m sure it’s just for personal nostalgic reasons. I’m 36 and my knees would be killing me lol

[@dappertharapper2484]

TOYS GO ON THE FLOOR

[@bullettoothjosh]

​@@dappertharapper2484not when you get older and you knees and backs are fucked

[@McClintockOnline]

I loved how you added the podcast interviews into the episode that just increases the production and its great to hear what you guys are thinking since its not always possible with the customers there.

[@blakel29]

Love to see these videos. That guy seemed annoying to deal with. “Going for 100 on eBay” then it was actually 80, trying to get away with something. Overvalued his stuff

[@aawasup]

So you agreed to the $200 on the masterpiece which is what he wanted and he didn’t do it. Confused?

[@jt976evl]

Welcome to retail where the customer rarely knows what they want!

[@TribalSpider13]

@@jt976evl it was a trade and cash deal and was more than MP's that I brought in.

[@chexcollects]

The guy is braindead. I don’t think he knows where he even is 😂

[@thecubanassassin3520]

It’s serious bizness when Ryan says “The Formula” 😂

[@deathbob091]

i find a great deal of joy seeing that "Our founder" shirt, you guys got a great sense of humor up at the toy fed !

[@eksit101]

Should have just declined the sale. "Hey bro, it's trash, I don't want it"

[@cyrinix]

Guy admits to getting stuff "dirt cheap", and walks away from a number he liked on trade? Very strange.

[@trippymexican7902]

Maybe he boosted it lol

[@TribalSpider13]

@@cyrinix I admited to getting the DC supergirl dirt cheap. this was a trade and cash deal and not just a trade deal.

[@TribalSpider13]

@@trippymexican7902 so your calling me a thief ?? because I said I got it dirt cheap at gamestop.

[@chexcollects]

@@TribalSpider13this wasn’t difficult to understand at all. $200 + $100. There’s nothing to understand 😂

[@jasonhinman6173]

Did you know that 80 or 90 dollars is the same thing as $100? Your patience is astounding! It's a wonder you just don't have a slip of paper you can write down your estimates on. Every question they have after the estimate, you can just point to the paper in their hand to refer to. Some people must smoke too much before coming in. They just seem like a deer in headlights and often don't live in reality when it comes to going over costs, breakdowns, etc.

[@spaceheadstudio3031]

Thank you for doing these kinds of videos. I've been collecting for decades and it's refreshing to see how you guys think and get a glimpse of the "glamorous" toy shop life. Keep up the great content, you got a great thing going here. Cheers from Canada.

[@kingpolo1920]

Maybe a store tour soon?

[@MrChristopoop]

@kingpolo1920, not sure if they would do it as it does not seem to be part of the theme. Also, I have been in there three times (once in September, twice this month) and yes the sections stay the same generally but the product on the floor definitely changes. I went in two weeks ago, picked up a vintage snowspeeder, he said they had just got it in on a trade the day before and had mentioned to one of the employees how they never seem to stay long if they pick one up, here I was a day later buying it. The vintage toys (figures and vehicles) for the big 70’s-80’s toy lines definitely seem to change a good bit between my stops. It does make it interesting to look and see what is there at the time. If they do a tour of the store I would still watch, I know there is a bunch of stuff I missed and there will be some new pickups or stuff that they have put out. The store is also jam packed with items (not the floor itself, you can definitely move around easy enough) but there is a lot out there, shelves are stacked. Sort of reminds you of the Toys R Us days.

[@geoffersongeofferies477]

I know that there is a couple of months between filming and air date...has he figured out what he's asking for yet? That was exhausting. I envy your restraint.

[@megatronthe3rd1]

Ryan the patience you have with these people is amazing

[@Amh10780]

Finally made a trip to the shop today,it was well worth it! They had so many awesome toys that were on my list of needs it was glorious. Prices were decent as well. Can't wait to go back again and highly recommend any collector that is able to make the trip!

[@megatronxmatt]

Loving my Toy Federation t-shirt! Great quality! Never stop doing trades on the floor. Your shows are like my Saturday morning cartoon. I can't wait to wake up and see what's on the new episode!❤

[@schadenfreudeind]

Great episode. The staff at the shop all seem very fair and patient as always. I don't blame the sellers too much for being hesitant because selling to a seller who has to build in profit can be a bit of a rude awakening in terms of what the actual value is in that situation. Thank you for the video

[@retroshred859]

How on earth do you not say “thanks for wasting our fuckin time” this job would make me lose my mind dealing with people thinking they have gold every single day. You fellas are doing the lords work over there

[@MountainMan333]

Say F off when ripping folks off? And you need God in your life…

[@ambiguousgender7616]

@@MountainMan333 If you think they're ripping people off, get your brain checked and some on-site assistance.

[@beyondbeleef1013]

I don't think God is concerned about selling old toys

[@andysmith1996]

@@MountainMan333 How are they ripping people off? Nobody is forcing anyone to sell to them.

[@plotinusreadinggroup]

It’s plastic garbage. They’re lucky they get a dime lol

[@tomjamison5934]

Thanks for another great video. That one guy reminded me of the old guy trying to sell his dead friends G I Joe collection episode. 😂

[@toyfederation]

We just uploaded a new podcast episode on our podcast channel about that episode specifically

[@glaeken_molasar]

@@toyfederation Hey! Maybe you should put a link to your other channels in a description to a video, so people can go there immediately from this video (and any other video from this point on) after you plug it?

[@toyfederation]

We show you on screen when we cut to the podcast clips

[@Ronykade]

You guys should be sainted for the patience you displayed in this video. I would've told buddy to take his $80...$90.. rounded to $100 and kick rocks. Love your channel and videos, keep up the great work!!

[@zmullaney]

Dude I love these like "comic book men" podcast cut ins with the shop floor video. This format rules.

[@toyfederation]

Remember the full episode is on our podcast channel

[@JoeRG84]

Haha that’s incredible. I couldn’t put my finger on it, but it 100% has a comic book men vibe and I love it. I still gotta check out the pod. Can’t imagine a podcast about a toy shop, won’t be awesome! Keep up the good work Toy Federation! I look forward to Saturday mornings!!

[@ronnmozz]

That dude was mentally exhausting, just watching this.

[@kanopi07]

Morning Everyone!

[@ninjasec]

Good morning

[@toyfederation]

Good Morning! Remember, Podcast at 9:15!

[@Jordan__Sloan]

Could you imagine going through everyone’s collection they bring in? I would tell them 50$ just to look through it, think of the knowledge they gain from learning about what they have, thats worth a lot

[@jedifyfe]

Love the “Not Arcade” shirt. Lol. Karl Jobst would be proud. lol

[@TamaleRingwald]

I have a question: how do you keep dust from building up in the shop. Specially on the figures behind the desk on the shelf. Thanks for any pointers.

[@Nosfeast]

I assume from what I just seen he wanted $200 in trade and then another $100 cash?Or did he want half and half like he wanted you to add up the trade value and then do half of that in cash and the rest in trade.He kept saying "Like I always do..." well if he is a normal customer he should know the process of the payment/trade system.

[@homersimpson5668]

Splitting the deal up into some cash and some trade was the issue , he couldn’t figure it out In his head even though it was explained very clearly I thought

[@wlnorris75]

TF's buying formulations are just going to be confusing to many customers the way they go about it. Sometimes they pay 50% cash, and sometimes its 50% credit. And that depends on if it is vintage or modern, low demand or high demand, or how many they have in the back. And then they act like there cash to trade value formula is some sort of secret, and they just can't tell the customer. And then they act like they have to go back behind the counter to figure out what the trade would be. I'm also a business that buys toys and I also mostly buy at 50% value in cash normally. I think generally that is very fair. But I don't care if it is vintage or modern. If it is a $100 toy that I can sell for $50, I just give you $50 cash; doesn't matter when it was made, its a $100 toy. If I have 20 of them in inventory, its because they aren't selling, which means it isn't a $100 toy. Lower the price to what it really is for them to move. If you want to trade for something, multiply that cash by 1.3. Done. Now the customer knows where they stand. So if the offer is $200 cash for all your Transformers, $260 would be trade value. You want to get a $100 figure in trade and the rest in cash; 260-100=160/1.3. $123 cash plus your $100 figure. And these 5 toys were of zero value to me because they are broke or painted, I put them all in this box. You can keep them if you want and the offer stays the same, or I'll take them if you don't want to take them back home. Easy, straight forward, customer doesn't get confused. They can shop with their phone out and do the conversion on their own. It shouldn't be rocket science or confusing.

[@EgaTehPro]

@@wlnorris75 they pay more for vintage (usually) because it sells faster for them

[@chexcollects]

@@wlnorris75that’s a great way to explain it.

[@hapkernel]

Buddy seemed confused yet they offered what he wanted 😂

[@mightbegenius]

You can't quote top ebay prices anymore. They take such a huge chunk of the sale. I stopped selling on ebay because of it. It's quite ridiculous.

[@lara_vfett]

Yay! My Saturday morning boost🙌🏽 great as always.. some deals can’t always go through. But I feel he was asking for way too much. Can’t wait to listen to another podcast episode 😜👌🏽

[@bakeraus]

It's so great you have these sort of stores in the US

[@BlacksburgEV]

I love any videos from you guys, ny only complaint is that it's too short : ) You guys are amazing and keep up the good work!

[@GodWeenSatan]

Lol! I always go shopping in the morning also. Can't deal with people and crowds

[@planetvegan7843]

Never stop floor sorting.

[@dwaynesmith9482]

This guy tried getting top dollar “eBay listing” prices while at the same time being difficult as hell.

[@gamesguidesandgadgets7510]

scalper is the answer your looking for

[@mjj8560]

Hey the guy entertained him so don't blame the guy your trying to make money just like the business

[@dwaynesmith9482]

@@mjj8560 he’s in the wrong place to think he’s going to walk away with top dollar at a brick and mortar establishment

[@natecarlson6283]

This was really frustrating to watch. Need to put up a white board so customer can write down his position and store can write down theirs.

[@questionblock8949]

That's a great idea

[@Luke-mq6mn]

It would only be needed for pea brains like that bloke & even then he probably still wouldn't get it.

[@johnnydropkicks]

I gotta get myself one of those “NOT ARCADE” T-shirts. It’s a real a deep cut reference that only 0.1% of the population would understand.

[@ToyTastic77]

Great show, interesting as always, but that trade was punishing to watch you have to deal with! 😂 I take my hat off to you all spending so much time trying to make the trade work as fairly as possible for all parties.

[@KarnageKollectibles]

my favorite is when people say 'i could have gotten xxxxx much for it on eBay!!" its like. Okay, then go do that. Oh right, you don't want to because then you need to put the work into listing it, finding a buyer, shipping it, and then dealing with the possibility of a return and of course ebays 15% fee that they take.

[@stephanel6637]

not only about 15% ebay fees but paypal fees also!!!

[@ErmIDK19]

As a UK based Transformer collector i'd give my girlfriends right leg to visit your store its a toy paradise . Im sure theres some somewhere in the uk but i have no where and im sure there as rare as rocking horse crap over here.

[@daledoback1716]

It can definitely be a pain to resell yourself, but with over twice the potential profits I’m reselling it myself everytime. I get the guys who buy in bulk and are looking for a quick profit or storage locker guys, but collectors selling at half or less value is crazy (I get why you do it that way, you are a business).

[@trev3971]

It all comes down to quantities and time. When someone brings 2-3 expensive items into my store, I encourage them to sell themselves, because the time it takes to list two things is worth the extra return. But on a collection of dozens/hundreds of items, the math stops working in their favor. Between organization, photos, listing, answering questions, and buying shipping supplies/making trips to the post office, you can easily lose those extra hundreds in profit via time spent.

[@RedBeard_YT]

OMG bless you guys I would have just told him to take the stuff home. I don't have the patience. He is looking at listed prices not sold.

[@erikgarcia9797]

Wow, how can you not understand what he wanted?? It was so simple. He wanted 60% of trade on the starscream with half cash on the other figure, while half trade on 39% of trade value near the closest whole dollar, and cash for 12% of the GameStop version, divided by 3.14. Get it together guys.

[@darthlobo1213]

Yup they understood alright! That's why he took his collection back home with him!😂

[@mr.fizzac3957]

🤣 you made me bust out laughter in middle pizza shop as was eating. Well done

[@TheNotoriousNemo]

lol

[@RichardVassie]

I want to sell my house and spent the proceeds in your establishment.

[@roberthume2594]

Found you guys a week ago, now I'm hooked. Love the content, keep it coming. Just wish I lived near you guys, but then I'd probably go broke.

[@wallyrocket87]

Great video! The camera work was great, nice to see up close on some of the items. I always look forward to Saturday videos! Have a good one!

[@Drew-vw1mn]

I grew up about 30 min north of Ottumwa, IA. Cool to see you rocking the twin galaxies tee :D

[@jont8707]

The editing with the podcast inserts was awesome and it will bring more to the awesome pod 👍🏻

[@TAKTAK_Toys]

I really enjoyed the first Podcast Ryan and an insight into the store, these Saturday videos are fantastic and the podcast are equally fun informative and entertaining, morning to you guys from the UK

[@toyfederation]

Awesome, thank you! New podcast episode up now!

[@fezwhy]

Man that guy totally wasted your time. He went through all that and even agreed on the price than backed out. You all are way more patient than me. Props to you all for keeping your cool.

[@Non-Giving-UpSchoolGuy]

2:15 That sealed Charmin x Transformers piece is awesome.

[@evisceratetheweak1301]

7:24 isn’t that the kid who stole from you? I recognize the shirt from the instagram post.

[@Fedpool]

bit about wanting a partial trade and partial cash... geeeeeze this was bonkers. such a relief to see it end as it did. either you are getting rid of something for cash, or trading stuff you're no longer interested in for your new interest. major kudos to TF.

[@Dax-D]

This one was hard to watch however some collectors get held up on the perceived value. Yes items can sell for X amount, but how much work and time is put into getting that price. If you go to a store you will never get close to the perceived value on anything, I have a close friend who ran a successfully comic book shop in the late 80s and all of the 90s. He still has a lot of the old store stock after shuttering the business. When you buy collections it comes with a risk for resale and sometimes you are left holding items. Therefore the lesson here is you will never get full perceived value on your collectables as the shop buying it is taking on risk to resell it and cover business expenses and quite frankly profit margins. The private collector can always sell on website services themselves, but then they have to deal with taxes, website fees, and buyer issues in order to get that higher sale price amount. Oh and patience. Lots and lots of patience.

[@dfilm]

People are being a bit mean to the guys who came in but I think it's that they're not good on camera, they're acting a bit shy and guarded accidentally it seems

[@XJForTheWin]

I might be wrong but I think he really overvalue everything and he knew...I feel like he even admit when he brought up the supergirl superman box. The tf1 movie masterpiece has crazy low value imo and I really feel like you gave him a very good offer for them but again he overvalue them.

[@harrybrass007]

Great video, and keep them coming along with your patience!!!! The problem I keep seeing is that every collector thinks their stuff is the best stuff!!! They also always over value their collections and have strong attachments to the collection!!! In most cases, they want to trade in the stuff that is not very marketable to get something that is!!! You guys have alot of patience dealing with these sellers!!! What collectors need to understand is that it's only worth what somebody's willing to pay for it, and like my uncle always told me it's not worth anything until you have the money in your hand!!! It took me many years of collecting to finally figure that out!!!

[@maritimus17]

My hat's off to anyone running a shop like this these days all the variables you have to deal with, the operating costs, the wonky economy, jeez I'd go bonkers

[@TheWickedOne5150]

Lesson of the day. If your going to to collect MP transformers don’t get Bayverse

[@RID01S]

Why not? I got a few in my collection

[@gamesguidesandgadgets7510]

@@RID01S sell them fast they are crap no resale MP 01 has more resale than G1 Fortress Max

[@TheWickedOne5150]

resell value is crap. I have a couple also but know I won’t get crap for them if I try to sell them. Also Bayverse bots suck. Just my opinion on that last one.

[@hang10wannabe]

Well the Movie MP figures are always cheaper too... so that guy just needs to sell it himself if he wants anything close to eBay.

[@RID01S]

@@TheWickedOne5150 oh, I don’t usually sell transformers but I do have a few Bayverse mp’s mostly upscale Ko. Black Apple Optimus Prime is my favorite

[@jamesregister4582]

Yep….Walmart only in the mornings!

[@ChristopherCantrell-f4s]

If I were playing a drinking game for every time someone asked why not a table, over the floor, I would be dead. Clearly, all of these people asking that were deprived of the pleasure of countless hours, and storylines with their toys on the floor.

[@brianwyde3829]

I love when the seller says “I know you have to make money” and then they want more money than fair value for you to resell.

[@tylerstamper7210]

Love the show. Can’t wait to watch the podcast, and awesome” not arcade” shirt

[@kevinyoung9557]

My morning treat.Thanks, Ryan.

[@toyfederation]

Morning!

[@paxo666]

Nice intercutting of the podcast, gives off Comic Book Men vibes! Loved that show

[@toyfederation]

Full episode up on our podcast channel

[@paxo666]

@@toyfederation yep, done and done! Here in London UK loving the videos. I know they’re probably gonna be flash in the pan in the long term but would love your thoughts on Funko pops, the good/bad (not just the fact they clog up so much space) some mad prices for some, so much dead stock everywhere, and yet some of them are still so appealing, also brilliant for autographs! Wonder if they’ll ever be as derided as most beanie baby’s?

[@yubee77]

you guys are just super nice! I would have been, like.... "100! take is or leave it, we take all risk try selling !!"

[@PatchsOhulahan]

15:13 Who’s got the nose 👃 whistle hahaha

[@Niko-ys9ie]

Maybe have a fold out table for the big collections that come in and keep the small collections for floor opening?

[@andrewbarefoot5901]

You guys are always professional. If I'm ever near you I am dropping in to get something. I would love to support your business.

[@joelorozco]

Enjoying the podcast dudes! Keep them coming.

[@chris2004mvp]

If I was Ryan I’d told that guy imma pass on all of it

[@spiderdog74]

Fun episode. It's interesting to watch you have to reason with a collector/seller. I know its hard for people to let go of things they bought. Whether it's for the money or the love of the thing the reality of selling something yourself or selling to a shop is a hard pill for some to swallow, but it is what it is. Buying and selling for years I can tell you guys are fair players. Thanks for the content!

[@PhillyLS1]

Next time keep lowering the price until they leave. Your mistake was being nice and giving an extra $20 who's there only to kick tires. Even if he'd gotten what he wanted he'd still be a headache on whatever he was going to trade for.

[@truckermatt4603]

My question is for someone who would want to start this business is it a profitable venture or do you just break even not like full numbers or is it all about going to cons and set up or online mostly

[@EdWhite-i3i]

Great comeback..you either do or don't...not like your hurting for inventory 😂

[@pmmackenzie1525]

"Not Arcade" shirt a Billy Mitchell reference? ;)

[@toyfederation]

You know it

[@Mikeymoonboots]

Literally the king of toys 👑

[@questionblock8949]

Man it must get frustrating dealing with some of these people lol that guy could not wrap his head around what was happening 😆

[@dark0w1]

Woa this had my head spinning. Awesome video guys!

[@CloudStudiosPhoto]

Confusing interaction, but the offer was fair, y’all have great customer service 🤙🏽, want to visit even more now!

[@bryanslife7229]

I know what you guys due is a lot of work and there's a lot to it. I saw the podcast ......But you still get to play with toys every day as your job the greatest job ever🎉

[@toyfederation]

new episode of the podcast is up now!

[@mikemulligan5731]

This is a great channel. I wish all the vids were longer!

[@toyfederation]

we just uploaded a new podcast episode that's 45 minutes long!

[@JessyNorris]

This felt like a tv episode very high quality for KZbin !!

[@TheRollingPrime]

I learn something new everyday in the nerd world from these guys and I love it

[@user-zd857]

That was a cool video. I liked how you handled yourself Ryan. You're a true professional.

[@marc_andreroy]

2:26 damn, i need that Superman after the deceased figure. Been looking for it. I really need to make the trip one of these days

[@alioninthejungle]

This looks like the reason you guys do good and have the store because you’re willing to deal with the arduous processes from third-partys reminds me of pawnshops in the beginning forming the people’s banks P.s. sleeves and regular size T-shirts am I in the right place

[@RubBA-]

you guys are in a class of your own. excellent content.

[@AlexandertheSmith]

when you do the lions share of the work...this episode is a perfect example of why toy federation is what it is

[@evanpeteryt]

Awesome video! Watching this from Boston and I would love to eventually come to the store.

[@ashytowncrooks1]

Where is this place?

[@SirPhire1]

I still don’t get the whole. I am going to go to a store and demand eBay comps for all my stuff. You don’t want to do the work yourself. But then make other people do the work for you. Who have cost and overhead to count for also. Dang the entitlement from some people are out of this world.

[@SteveDonnelly-i1s]

A GREAT SHOW, TODAY, MORE FROM A BUSSINESS POINT OF VIEW!!! THANK YOU ALL 4 A GREAT SHOW!!!!❤😂🤎🤣🙏🫶👍❤️

[@oldirtydave22]

I understand trying to get top dollar for your stuff but its all opened and not really sought after stuff! Like take some pics and list it. Its super easy when its sells you gotta box it up and drop it off at the post office and wait for your money if your a new seller on ebay, but at least you feel like you didnt get taken advantage of!