You misunderstood Sasuke VS Orochimaru!!

[@2_loko]

It should be common knowledge by now, but the Sannin are very close in power to one another. Therefore, if you’re capable of defeating one of them, there’s a very good chance you could do the same to the others. Just thought I’d mention this in case anyone forgot. Anyways, I hope y’all enjoyed! Feel free ti join my discord server as well-discord.gg/YauVmbCwcF

[@HC-gm4fo]

Paper you just beat rock, you should beat scissors pretty easily-Loko

[@ExoticZah]

@@HC-gm4foaccurate lol

[@bigcarnotaurus8857]

@@HC-gm4fosasuke isn’t paper though hes a separate item

[@zelz3011]

I don't exactly know if that still applies in Part 2 or how that takes their Sanin + Forms into account. Kinda feels like Orochi or Jiraiya should still be the tops until Tsunade just lives longer + War arc.

[@HC-gm4fo]

@@zelz3011 She is the medic, she doesn’t scale to Jiraiya and Orochimaru in combat. The total capabilities of the sanin are relative.

[@Spider-K]

I think he likes Hebi sasuke guys

[@Green-Hoe]

this guy likes men

[@Arcadia_warlic]

The term is bias.

[@eric8841]

I’m never sure if this guy really believes the shit he says or if he just tryin to be edgy. Every once in a while he’ll make a good point only to follow it up with some convoluted logic that only makes sense to him and his followers.

[@Sonic-hq9zz]

Yeah he wasn’t spitting in this lol

[@ExoticZah]

Yeah I’m a Loko fan because Tobirama is my favorite Naruto character but you actually summed up Loko’s entire channel. I told him about doing stuff like this, he’ll eventually alienate his fans and put himself in a box.

[@serendipitouscomet]

I think he just really likes Sasuke, to the point of having a deluded perception of him throughout the story.

[@Sonic-hq9zz]

@@serendipitouscomet He’s also one of those power scalers who take feats 100% blindly. It’s logic defying the way he scales sometimes lol

[@ExoticZah]

@@serendipitouscomet really deluded.

[@mattys6106]

The question wasn’t “how did you do so well against orochimaru?” It was a question as to how could sasuke have defeated him if he is having a tough battle with Deidara. It’s quite clear that Karin is suggesting that the winning against Orochimaru is what doesn’t make sense. To which Sasuke replies that orochimaru was sick. So Sasuke has to be explaining how he won. That’s the only logical way to read that. Karin: “how did you beat orochimaru if this is your strength level?” Sasuke: “I beat orochimaru because he was sick” I don’t know how you can see the interaction as say Sasuke is saying it was only easier to win as if he would have won anyway. If that was the case.. Sasuke would have said “Deidara is just that strong” because he would have no reason to explain his defeating of Oro since he is stronger than Oro. No need to explain unless it’s an outlier

[@bigcarnotaurus8857]

i don’t have a problem with that explanation but thats also just a weaker version of sasuke that he himself is referring to and even after looking past that statement you have to prove no arms orochimaru could beat deidara otherwise it leads to a contradiction within the statement

[@mattys6106]

@@bigcarnotaurus8857 agreed! And I think there’s lots of scaling done to put orochimaru over Deidara. It’s not clear cut

[@serendipitouscomet]

He won’t reply to this one.

[@Arcadia_warlic]

@@serendipitouscomet He tends not to really respond to most outright contradictions, and indeed, Deidara is likely not Sannin-level himself.

[@serendipitouscomet]

@@Arcadia_warlic Deidara's not Saint level, not to mention Sasuke had a huge nature-type advantage that heavily swayed the fight in his favor and yet still struggled to win.

[@cj4ev3r26]

I definitely don’t think serpent orochimaru is stronger than or even equal to his form when he has a body. Not only can he not really use jutsu in that form but he needs to rely on the numbing effects from the snakes on his body. Also I don’t think using truth seeking orbs as an example of soul removal is the same as reaper death seal. Reaper death seal doesn’t just seal your soul it literally seals your chakra. And even if minato doesn’t seem weaker, you need spiritual energy for chakra. I can’t imagine your chakra would stay the same if you’re losing spiritual energy. When minato loses his first arm he mostly utilizes Kuramas chakra and not his own so he wouldn’t really seem to get weaker with Kuramas massive chakra amounts. After Minato loses Kurama he then starts relying on sage mode despite claiming to be bad at it. Minato also couldn’t react to Madara despite, 7th gate guy, Kakashi. gaara and even a crippled obito being able to. We also know that the Sanin are relative in power, Tsunade should be somewhat relative to FP orochimaru. Before Tsunade overcame her fear of blood she couldn’t even touch Kabuto let alone orochimaru. Yet after overcoming her fear and regaining the “will of fire” she straight up blitzes orochimaru and lands multiple attacks that Orochimaru and blitzes him on multiple occasions so physically Orochimaru was certainly weaker

[@Arcadia_warlic]

On the note of the numbing, Orochimaru could have just killed Sasuke when he was numbed if he did not try to absorb him. So off of that White Snake Orochimaru is actually stronger than Sasuke.

[@ObsidianMiner32]

Your argument about the white snake form is nonsense, he’s literally a giant snake, he can’t perform regular ninjutsu in that form, he only enters that form to transfer bodies for a reason.

[@2_loko]

The point of that section was to prove BoS Sasuke scales to the Sannin in physical capabilities, which means Oro being unable to perform Ninjutsu isn’t relevant to my argument

[@AntonConstanti]

bro Orochimaru don't even have hands or legs to fight with poor guy @@2_loko

[@serendipitouscomet]

@@2_loko Orochimaru isn't dangerous because of his taijutsu or kenjutsu though. His jutsu and ranged arsenal are what make him deadly.

[@2_loko]

@@serendipitouscomet Once again, if even BoS Sasuke scales above the Sannin in AP, speed, etc, it’s very likely that he can defeat them. He also possesses win cons like Genjutsu and Kirin that none of the Sannin have any counters for

[@serendipitouscomet]

@@2_loko In CS2, he's relative to them in base. But once the battle progresses to stage two, and they start using their transformations like Creation Rebirth, Sage Mode and White Hydra/Edo Tensei, the battle is effectively over. The Sanin have shown they're prone to genjutsu of Itachi's caliber as per his fight with Orochimaru. But not Sasuke. Sasuke's genjutsu is no higher than Kakashi, who at that is inferior to the Sannin as well. If simple genjutsu is all it took, then Kakashi wouldn't have been so hopeless when before Orochimaru.

[@AntonConstanti]

I think trying to take over someone's body is harder than just killing someone.

[@Themfeels101]

Literal first minute "I am wrong, allow me to explain how I am wrong and gaslight the audience despite the first thing I show me proving myself wrong."

[@Arcadia_warlic]

Indeed.

[@Floatzilla]

Never let this man cook again

[@Arcadia_warlic]

Well met.

[@MZOver]

“Throughout Glazers and Downplayers, I alone am the Sasuke Glazer”-Loko

[@onesmart229]

7:10 Orochimaru with was also about manda finding out he lost his arms. Poisoned Jiraiya, Traumatized Tsuade, and Soul damaged Orochimaru were fighting relative to each other and are acknowledged all not be at their best. Minato was still in an Edo body so he doesn’t have to worry about any other physical nerf.

[@xmaze6831]

Who let this guy cook and burn up the whole kitchen?

[@ramikpark8387]

Sorry dood but that Karin statement is sticking. If Oro wasnt trying to take that body like Diddy Sasuke wouldve lost and that was Magic Johnson Orochimaru. Even if u assume he was cured (just like Magic Johnson was assumed to be) sasuke still wouldve lost. The reason why that argument doesnt work (with him beint cured) is becuz nothing says he was healthy in white snake form. That is ur assumption and since sasuke can see chakra and still says "yeah bro... he was ill" im more inclined to believe him Also nobody wants to hear those "mistranslation" arguments. It's official by Viz and isnt ran by AI.

[@ActuallyAlask]

Magic Johnson Orochimaru 😂😂 I mean yeah it's pretty concrete the Sannin scale above Hebi Sasuke. The route for Sasuke is wishful thinking. The only thing I disagree on is that last part. Viz is known to horribly translates things. Sometimes they'll even add in completely new statements. If you wanna use "viz canon" that's cool but it's definitely not always accurate to the original text.

[@ExoticZah]

Glad to see that some people in the comment section has common sense. I don’t even like the Sannin but be fr, Hebi Sasuke isn’t beating them😭

[@ExoticZah]

@@ActuallyAlaskThey try to hard to disprove Karin’s sick Orochimaru conversation. Sasuke admitted inferiority and they don’t like that lol

[@skrellb9659]

“Take that body like Diddy” “Magic Johnson Orochimaru” 😂

[@The__Deadman]

@@ActuallyAlask We don't even need a statement tho. Orochimaru in his white snake form attacked literally once and he started breathing heaviliy if you rewatch the scene. Orochimaru was sick af, without the soul of his hands and he could STILL kill Sasuke if he just went for the kill.

[@ExoticZah]

All due respect brother but this Sasuke propaganda needs to stop.

[@UNKNOWNL3G3ND]

i bet this is gonna be 15 minutes of sasuke glaze. plus most people read the fight wrong in the way that they put sasuke massively above prime orochimaru

[@ActuallyAlask]

Loko decided to lie to all his subs today, personally I wouldn't take that, that's just me

[@SoullessFN]

Another sannin wanking retard lmao

[@joshfarrow9707]

How so?

[@Arcadia_warlic]

@@joshfarrow9707 He said Sasuke was not using chakra to suppressed Orochimaru. Orochimaru directly said Sasuke' suppressing/repressing chakra was gone when he emerged as the Eight Branches.

[@Amamiyacasual]

Loko the Sasuke Glazer.

[@Mr-Hidden]

Yooo all Sasuke haters are gonna cry after this one, i didn't see in the comments one argument only Narutards crying. You forgot to mention that Sasuke even himself said that he is ready to give his body to Orochimaru just to kill Itachi, his ultimate goal was to kill Itachi and he came to Orochimaru ready to give his body just to eliminate Itachi. And Sasuke realized that Orochimaru is weaker than him and there is no point to give him his body anymore, and that he has more chance to defeat Itachi.

[@orochimarupr]

They really want Minato and the Sannins to lose everytime lol We definitely need new matchups with different characters

[@ExoticZah]

Fr these match ups are getting repetitive and people are trying to be “different” so they find ways to make Hebi Sasuke win when he would get clapped.

[@The__Deadman]

@@ExoticZah Oro could fr kill Sasuke even half dead and without the soul of his hands if he went for the kill and not for the body, and people still try to find ways to make Sasuke win lmao . Orochimaru downplayers are crazy

[@ExoticZah]

@@The__Deadman no fr brother also if you like Multiversus, I have some funny shorts/memes posted. Enjoy😃

[@ezioauditore6371]

Orochimaru smacks Sasuke with ease, lmfao. This dude Loko on LSD

[@orochimarupr]

@@ezioauditore6371 Loko is like skip bayless with lebron james. Loko will be like "would minato losing to kurama affect his legacy" lmao

[@reignjudgment1028]

Funny how everyone rejects your arguments but absolutely NO ONE can debunk you, or provide any counter arguments lol. It’s a good video bro. It’s just the majority of the fandom literally rather die than give sasuke anything. And they will go out of their way to downplay and black ball him. It is what it is.

[@aaronjahmar8542]

I don't see how it's downplaying when the manga outright states twice that Sasuke only beat Orochimaru because he was massively nerfed. Even the feats show that Sasuke wasn't quite on their level. Deidara mid-diffed a newly kage Gaara who was protecting his village, and then Sasuke barely by the skin of his teeth beat Deidara despite having multiple advantages (Sharingan and a elemental advantage)

[@reignjudgment1028]

@@aaronjahmar8542 yeah that statment is absolutely nowhere to be found in the manga. What chapter is it stated that sasuke only beat orochmaru because he was sick? Sasuke didn’t “barely get by” he completely outclassed diedara in every single way. This is exactly what I’m talking about. Because by the end of the fight it’s made painfully clear through diedara and sasukes conversation that diedara was NEVER in control of that fight and never even stood a chance due to sasuke already checkmating him. This is exactly what causes diedara to commit suicide because he thought he was doing far better than he actually was. Keep in mind this is a sasuke baby sitting diedara for info. While diedara was try Harding his butt off doing everything in his power to kill sasuke. Even combination attacks with obito.

[@2_loko]

I appreciate that man

[@2_loko]

@aaronjahmar8542 Lmao I addressed both of those statements and provided several lines of reasoning as to why Sasuke is stronger than the Sannin. It looks like you’re just having a hard time coming to terms with it Also, I can easily scale both Deidara and Gaara above the Sannin through various methods

[@Invisibleboy999]

@@reignjudgment1028karin literally said no one who’s orochimaru level would struggle that much against deidara. Sasuke then says “i only beat orochimaru because he was sick” implying that sasuke isnt orochimaru level its common sense bruh. Also its real funny how sasuke had literally every advantage against deidara yet still barely won hes getting cooked by the sanin 😭

[@akasakasad6271]

5:23 can’t say imo that the fight would’ve been harder if he wasn’t sick and then say that he was near max if not stronger in his white snake form. Which is it. Can be argued maybe if he was feeling better he could do more stuff in base before going all out to wear sasuke down but narratively i can’t see that.

[@prometheusmodelow8322]

Also lately i've been thinking that maybe Jiraiya is actually just cracked and he's actually the strongest sannin by far, if you check his performance against Konan, who beat Sasori with the 3rd Kazekage puppet, who is above Deidara, who gave Hebi Sasuke a hard time, also the fact that Pain considered him a threat and that Jiraiya would have won if he knew about how the Pains worked, reminder that Pain is rivaling Itachi at the very least, plus he is stated to be able to defeat Prime Orochimaru in-universe while people don't even know about his sage mode. He's also the only one of the three to have Sage Mode, with OP sound genjutsu. The only thing holding him back are some odd statements of the sannin being equals, if not for that, Jiraiya would be widely considered to be an absolute beast, he's definetly soloing the kage summit.

[@HC-gm4fo]

W

[@bigcarnotaurus8857]

i stopped reading this after you mentioned the games

[@DrNasrooo]

🚬

[@prometheusmodelow8322]

@@DrNasrooo Apologies for being a young grandpa, but what does that mean? lol.

[@s.owl9]

What I think is crazy is that Itachi was holding back against Hebi Sasuke (though Sasuke did make him sweat, Itachi would have won sooner than he did if he was evil), which proves that Orochimaru couldnt defeat Itachi even if he absorbed Sasuke. He was comparing himself to MS Itachi, no Susanoo, thinking that an MS is all he needed to make it a fair fight ☠️

[@Arcadia_warlic]

Orochimaru's soul would still be inhabiting the Great White Snake, and is fractured, which would significantly affect its strength. Kurama's "soul" was split into two, resulting in Yin and Yang Kurama (chakra and souls are directly interlinked), and Kurama became both visibly smaller, and noticeably weaker, unless one wishes to claim Minato doubled Kurama's strength, essentially. Orochimaru could have killed Sasuke if he did not try to absorb him, regardless. Having stronger chakra does not mean one is stronger overall. The degree to which one can focus it also matters. That is how the Uchiha and Senju with varying levels of chakra can combat each other or how Naruto loses, ever, despite having the most intense and voluminous chakra pool. (The Sannin can likely focus their chakra better than Sasuke can until he gets the Eternal Mangekyō, and likely have more of it, as well.) The Kakashi point misses the fact that him having less chakra is brought up as a point against him compared to Naruto, or how Kisame and Itachi were significantly weakened by only being able to use up to 30% of their chakra, so Orochimaru not having his soul arms would indeed most likely make him weaker... One could counter the White Snake power-up interpretation that the main benefit is the ability to use snake substitution and the like, rather than strength, and it is just as likely... Sasuke does not think he is actually stronger than Itachi when he fights him. His goal is to wear him out then use Kirin, which does not require much of his own strength to use. He used Snake Substitution to bait out Amaterasu at the last moment, then used it to fuel his own Kirin. Theoretically Orochimaru could have done the same if he learned Kirin, and he would still be weaker than Itachi, so it is not proof Sasuke is stronger than Orochimaru (which he is not). Orochimaru directly said Sasuke's suppressing/repressing chakra had run out when the Eight Branches is released... How could he even actually pull Orochimaru's power whilst also keeping Orochimaru's power suppressed...? Naruto was gathering near the Gokage Kaidan in the chapter that says the strongest shinobi are gathering, so it would still be referring to him. The Gokage are five, whilst the Sannin are three, so for them to be comparable would still mean individual Sannin are superior. B has not fought A for some time since he was banished to the Valley of Clouds and Lightning, so it would be an inferior A who is already below Sannin-level. Mei was melting Sasuke through his Susanoo, Gaara was blocking his flames, and Ōnoki was going to vaporize him, so not as if movement speed was the only factor at the summit Sasuke was struggling with.

[@orochimarupr]

Fun fact only reason Sasuke lasted against itachi was because of orochimarus power lol

[@plavsk]

fun fact orochimaru got oneshot by 13 year old itachi, didnt even get the chance to use his powers lol

[@The__Deadman]

@@plavsk That was cause he was arrogant enough to look at his eyes lol. 98% of the ninja no matter how op, if they don't have sharingan they'd suffer the same fate. Oro's arrogance was his biggest weakness. If Oro didn't underestimate him he'd give him a hell of a fight (not saying he'd win). Sharingan genjutsu is the main problem for Orochimaru. Taijutsu? useless. fire style? useless. Amaterasu? Oral Rebirth gg. If he doesn't manage to catch Oro in genjutsu the only other way is full Susanoo Totsuka blade. Itachi's stanima would go heavily down at that point. If Oro has knows that it's Totsuka, he could occupy the Susanoo with Hydra and other large summons for a bit until he attacks from underground with Kusanagi like he did against 4 tails Naruto. Just saying that overall it'd be a hard fight. War Arc Orochimaru destroys Itachi though.

[@plavsk]

@@The__Deadman what does war arc orochimaru gain that makes him stomp itachi? i agree oro was too arrogant and he could have done better, but against itachi i dont see him having much of a chance

[@ezioauditore6371]

​@@plavskHe has his full arms/ninjutsu + a stable and virtually immortal zetsu body with wood release + plus a good chunk of his chakra back from kabuto + kabuto's flesh which has the KKGs of Taka, Sound Four, and Kabuto's own abilities and his own variation of sage mode/transformation. He absolutely murders Itachi with ease. Low diff to negging him.

[@zelz3011]

I think that like since Orochimaru was sick and weak his performance likely still could be affected even within his true form especially since his immortality and such is keeping him alive and going into his true form without a suitable vessel is likely less time in comparison to going into his true form within a suitable vessel. Like it's not like all the pains and such he was feeling mentally or physically should just vanish instantly becuase he hopped out of the body he still would be having to likely use his chakra to control the body before he effectively got hit. I also think the Minato thing doesn't really scale to the Orochimaru thing. Minato was part of the Edo Tensei Jutsu possibly meaning the TSO's just negged the Jutsu. And Orochimaru sort of feels like power flows into them and they could finally use Handsigns and such now that they had their arms back possibly meaning that it took some Chakra. Even Sasuke should have lost Chakra when he lost his arm and Naruto got a Hashirama replacement since Sasuke's body wouldn't have Chakra that could flow there or Chakra points so I don't think losing an arm means you don't lose anything that just kinda doesn't make sense and Minato barely had performance after he just used his Jutsu which he needs no handsigns for and Minato was in a daze for most of the war so his performance seeming the same wouldn't actually be good as he should be performing higher in comparison or it would just show his base performance scaling to some of his higher stuff when he's not dazed. I don't know if it applies Sage Naruto since he should be above Tsunade unless the statement was going Hypothetical 100 Healing Tsunade and in a sense of Overall Power and not who would win as Rasenshuriken could still be a GG. Konoha's maybe just isn't counted and it counts everyone from the village or just if they appear in the arc within their rightful place.

[@Scrilla2times]

Heavy sasuke got bailed out in the danzo fight, does he think orochimaru is weaker than old danzo?

[@savonsanders8684]

Hebi Sasuke is not the strongest in early Shippuden but I’m entertained by the glazing lmao

[@serendipitouscomet]

Sasuke fans are worse than Itachi fans at this point. Because Hebi Sasuke looked cool and had an aura of mystique , they think he can beat Pain and Sage Mode Naruto. It's pretty insane.

[@2_loko]

“Looking cool” and an “aura of mystique” quite literally had nothing to do with the arguments presented. Womp womp

[@serendipitouscomet]

@@2_loko They’re the reason why you’re jumping through so many hoops and doing so much mental gymnastics to try and high ball BOS and Hebi Sasuke to Sanin level. You clearly went into this with an agenda, looking to try and find ways to prove your favorite character is stronger than perceived as opposed to going with what’s more likely to be true. There are statements that directly contradict your take. So you’re like “hm what are ways I can cast doubt and invalidate them?”

[@2_loko]

@@serendipitouscomet I saw the rest of your comments, you make a whole lot of unfounded assertions that are based off a flimsy interpretation of the series. I’m positive you have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to Naruto or even argumentation in general, especially because you’re trying to invalidate my argument by claiming Sasuke is my favorite character instead of making an actual coherent counter argument.

[@serendipitouscomet]

@@2_loko I’m not actually trying to invalidate your video here. But pretending that this comment is my main point is a pretty good way of avoiding addressing the actual points that I’ve made in other comments. Bravo.

[@2_loko]

@@serendipitouscomet Considering the fact that I responded to several other comments you’ve made, I’d say it’s extremely obvious that I’m not avoiding any points that you’ve made. Most of them come from your inability to track actually

[@RA1JIN07]

karin being in disbelief of sasuke being on oro tier and sasuke bringing up that his ilness made him weak is indicotive of him being weaker as he himself actually doesn't refute that orochimaru is stronger but brings up why he could beat oro, i'm not sure where u got idea it made him "weaker" as in he could've done it any way type statement when sasuke said it made him weak in reference to him winning so why does that mean he isn't weaker?

[@Stolas9]

Loko decided to wake up and spitting some fax for the Naruto community. Beautiful.

[@drowning.macaco]

Maybe he can beat the base sannin but he gets stomped by them when they get in theyr hamped form, all the sannin in base scale to kcm1/v1 raikage btw as suigetsu is there and he is scared of orochimaru

[@ChaosRUsEnt]

He didnt surpass Oro until he was end of Kage Summit

[@ExoticZah]

Exactly

[@bigcarnotaurus8857]

danzo smokin him up my guy

[@orpheemulemo8053]

How does that work its stated by itachi that orochimarus eight headed form is his strongest attack not his soul Ability not only that the ability doesn't have access to his ability nor jutsu Not only that the sickness cones from the soul his arms being cut off not the body Karin literally didn't refute any of suigetsu statements Orochimarus soul arms also had most of his jutsu . Minato was already weakened by not having ninetails and Obito nerf Tobirama even noticed

[@Intrepid_Explorer]

The copium is legendary. base Minato still slaughters both hebi Sasuke and the Sannin.

[@orpheemulemo8053]

One lets be honest was Sasuke literally ready to take on itachi of course not Sasuke only felt confident because of Orochimarus power Not only that the sanin are equal Tsunade is physicaly stronger than the raikage who solo stomped Sasuke Orochimarus is also stronger if not equal to Hiruzen who is flat out stated to be the strongest of the five kage which would include onoki who blitz Sasuke in kage summit meaning onoki and Hiruzen should be equals in atleast speed and obviously Hiruzen and Orochimaru are better at elemental jutsu then mei

[@onesmart229]

2:49 Orochimaru himself is sick, so his sickness would still be effecting him when he goes into white snake form.

[@2_loko]

Already refuted that notion.

[@onesmart229]

@@2_loko you provided your interpretation and your interpretation is not equal to the interpretation that Orochimaru is still sick at that time which is exactly why he’s rushing to get a body.

[@jiero3253]

​​@@onesmart229 That's his true essence, how would his true essence be affected by the afflictions of the body he just exited in that fight. It's common sense, how are you sick from a disease caused by a body rejecting you when you aren't in the body that is rejecting you.

[@onesmart229]

@@jiero3253 Okay. Let’s think for a moment. Do you think his physical stamina suddenly recovered from being sick in your interpretation? Do you think he can just state a white snake? Do you think Orochimaru was just sitting in a sickly body for the kicks?

[@jiero3253]

@@onesmart229 I mean not shits and giggles, he can only perform the body change when the body he is in fully rejects him, so once every three years. Dude kinda was just waiting for Sasuke to come in and get his body snatched. Again really just think, this disease isn't the common kind you and I may have. The cause of his sickness is oruchmaru resisting the body rejecting him. If he isn't resisting he isn't being actively inconvenienced by the disease. You can't be sick if you are in a form that can't even be sick in the technical way his vessels can be in the first place As we see in the manga, the white snake form is the culmination of oruchmaru's power and essence cultivated to perform the body change techniques. This is oruchmaru's true form and only really lacks compared to the hidra which he needs a vessel to use. Oruchmaru's true power and essence was overcome and surpressed by sasuke, enough said

[@AntonConstanti]

The great white snake can't do ninjutsu, so... how is it that strong.

[@2_loko]

As I explained in the video, Sasuke being able to overpower Orochimaru’s chakra means that he should be physically stronger and faster than him. This would also mean Sasuke’s Attack Potency would be greater than Orochimaru’s as well. All of the Sannin are stated and shown to be relative to one another, so if Sasuke scales above one of them, it’s likely that he’d have the capacity to beat the other two by extension

[@OldFolkz]

Before I watch i think he beats jiraiya and tsunade however orochimaru with edo tensei should be too much. Especially with the hydra he pulled on itachi. Kirin could smoke the hydra potentially but i still say orochimaru 6 or 7 out of 10

[@HC-gm4fo]

Pa and ma>1st and 2nd

[@serendipitouscomet]

Sasuke isn't getting past Jiraiya.

[@thallesalmeida5880]

Yeah if you state Orochimaru's motive is possess Sasuke, then yeah. Oro's bound to fail in possessing an uchiha. However, replying as you said sometimes, without context, this is not necessarily the case. Having hands or not affect Orochimaru a lot, in OG naruto is stated that (I guess when fighting Haku) having one hand doing a jutsu means you are so versed you can use ninjutsu in such an exotic manner, you become so much versatile. As the contender of all jutsus (or the Jutsu scholar) means he may know all jutsu, not necessarily he is stated to have this mastery into doing some of them with 1 hand, let alone armless. In Minato's case, along with him not using FTG marking (teleporting away was possible without arms due to his mastery) meant no new markings and no Rasengan or Reaper seal, for example(Imagine how weird would be Minato sacrificing again to stop Madara and the reaper having a full blown 10 tails with Madara stuck there). There is of course, the fact he is dead, so pain or whatever doesn't affect him, and his recovery(which yeah, as an war of 2 days, wasn't tested) . But Oro was consistently sick in that body meaning that even he breaking out, he had not recovered from any of those effects applied to him (which he could, had not this fight happened, and he purposedly evaded the body and actually recovered, specially with the miraculous healing). And again, what I see here, for sasuke to purposedly be stronger than Jiraya or Tsunade may be easier(due to genjutsu) it it somewhat different to Orochimaru. I mean, take Deidara's fight for example. Deidara is no genjutsu user, but he expected a lot of genjutsus, so he used range as a counter(and trained to resist it). Orochimaru is not only trained for genjutsu, but he is a master (only bellow Itachi, I guess), which means a better handler than Deidara. Gonna put Elemental jutsus aside here, because as it is shown only noe wind jutsu on OG Naruto, he may not use any against sasuke. Orochi is a speedster of the same caliber as Sasuke at his fight against 4 tails Naruto and with similar kenjutsu (Sasuke may be a bit better here because of sharingan). In Itachi's case, without Kabuto's insight of being perfect by itself, Orochimaru can't reach alive Itachi, so Itachi still wins here. So propper scaling in my mind would be Itachi > Orochimaru full power > HebiSasuke(Orochimaru absorbed) > Sasuke (BOS) > Orochimaru(armless and sick) Mind you Orochimaru couldn't improve one bit from the fight against hiruzen.

[@plavsk]

1. well hebi sasuke fighting itachi did way better than orochimaru against itachi (although itachi held back, the difference is still enormous), since oro~jiraiya we know that hebi sasuke is able to keep up with opponents that the sannin cant 2.also sasuke literally beat orochimaru in his own dimension 3.sasuke gained orochimarus power after absorbing him, which implies that he is stronger than orochimaru alone 4.the only reason sasuke didnt let his body be taken by orochimaru, is because he knew that he with orochimarus powers would have a better chance of defeating itachi then if orochimaru had sasukes body. he was more then willing to let orochimaru take his body in order to get revenge on his brother. since hebisasuke>orochimaru~jiraiya~tsunade and itachi>13 year old itachi>>>>>>orochimaru~jiraiya~tsunade

[@life09m]

I didn’t know we had sasuke glazers

[@lkgstudios]

Seeing how Sasuke meant to kill Orochimaru and he's still in Borate, maybe you shouldn't look down on Orochimaru sama.

[@masterroshi4086]

I agree hebi sasuke is underrated I think he’s above the sannin

[@Getay2]

Biggest sasuke glazer by far.

[@2_loko]

Appreciate it

[@bigcarnotaurus8857]

ngl a deidara vs no arms orochimaru vid you could place sasukes statement next to part 1 itachis

[@iCherrryyt]

He probably thinks Sasuke can beat Pain

[@ThePrinceofRainVT]

This is A crazy interpretation and highball but not that unbelievable, but highly unlikely. Surprised you didn't bring up Orochimaru's statement about 3tails Naruto not scaling to Sasuke since that implies he scales to 4 tails, where Jiraiya and Orochimaru scale around... that would have supported your argument

[@ExoticZah]

But that was sick Orochimaru Vs 4 Tails. If he used that argument it would disprove his whole video lmao

[@ThePrinceofRainVT]

@@ExoticZah Every version of Orochimaru we see fight is nerfed in some way ngl

[@kevinmoy3752]

bruh this aint dragonball, technique is everything. white snake orochimaru is like his defenseless immortal form, it has chakra but nearly no ability to channel it. losing his hands meant losing his ninjutsu. what is sasuke supposed to do against edo tensei hashirama or tobirama? Also sasuke was always over valuing his own ability at that point in the story. part of the reason he joined orochimaru in the first place was because he kept losing fights he thought he could win.

[@isaacssjblue8403]

Let me put this clear sage mode Naruto is sannin level hebi sasuke haven’t reached that point until five kage summit( correct if I’m wrong) and it was literally stated that Naruto was stronger then sasuke

[@2_loko]

Sage Naruto is actually above Sannin level. And Naruto was stated to be stronger than Taka Sasuke, who was stated to be physically weaker than Hebi Sasuke. So that statement would not apply to Hebi Sasuke.

[@ybagain3562]

I mean, no, Sasuke is weaker than the Sannin. He had a three-year prep time gathering people for his crew and had to ensure Orochimaru was vulnerable due to his sickness. Sasuke also had to understand how Orochimaru's jutsus worked, and despite all this, he still struggled against a sick Orochimaru. If Orochimaru had been in his prime and healthy, it would have been game over for Sasuke. When Sasuke fought Itachi, Itachi was literally holding back due to being sick and nearly blind. Sasuke did win those battles but he had to use his intelligence and had to manipulate the situation to his advantage. If Orochimaru and Itachi were both in their primes, Sasuke would have been killed easily. He's not as powerful as you think. 😭😭

[@Kovu2004]

Hebi Sasuke can’t beat full power Orochimaru in any world or with any interpretation.

[@2_loko]

Womp womp

[@Kovu2004]

@@2_lokowhat’s the deal I’m just stating my opinion

[@joshfarrow9707]

Not a bad video, you do love your hebi Sasuke lol. But your arguments are sound.

[@2_loko]

Thanks man😂

[@Damnwhatshouldmynamebe]

Bro said that having more chakra makes you stronger and faster and then says Oro would still be same strength without arms because having the same chakra makes you just as strong even if you have less. What an absolute bozo🤡

[@2_loko]

I never said having *more* chakra affects your physical stats. Anyways, when it comes to Orochimaru’s situation, it’s more like comparing two batteries. Both batteries can output 10 Volts, but one will last longer than the other. So Oro previously had more chakra, but that shouldn’t affect his “output,” or how strong and fast he is.

[@NiteOwwl]

Everyone underrate orochimaru so much. Orochimaru lost itachi was Strong Genjutsu . In term of ninjutsu or taijutsu , Oro is no weaker than itachi. I doubt Sasuke can use strong genjutsu like itachi did . Otherwise , hebi Sasuke got no chance against full power orochimaru. Hebi sasuke is not even stronger than itachi who's vision already blurred.

[@onesmart229]

13:49 Tsunade is still physically stronger than Raikage at this point.

[@TwistedLullabies]

Godsuke vs Hoerochimaru

[@karma1507]

Hoerochimaru is hilarious 😂

[@TwistedLullabies]

@@karma1507 I do agree

[@qtindavis433]

i do feel orochimaru got weaker with his soul sealed. it damaged the body he was in too.

[@2_loko]

Well, he switched into a new body afterwards so that part shouldn’t affect Sasuke’s scaling.

[@jason15212]

@@2_loko the soul would still be affected right?

[@2_loko]

@@jason15212 That’s what I was explaining in this video

[@jason15212]

@@2_loko Agreed. So I don’t misunderstand anything… Hebi Sasuke beats Hiruzen and all the Sanin “easily” in your opinion? Or Sasuke at the beginning of shippuden ?

[@2_loko]

@@jason15212 Well BoS Sasuke has shown the capability to defeat a Sannin who was likely at/above his Base power level, so he should have the scaling to combat the other Sannin and those who scale to them, like Hiruzen. Obviously, Hebi Sasuke would just be stronger than BoS.

[@iCherrryyt]

One minute already disagree Sasuke only won due to that guy being sick 😂 and he still had a hard time

[@plavsk]

no hebi sasuke is superior to orochimaru. take a look at healthy oro vs 13 year old itachi and then 21 year old itachi vs hebi sasuke. the difference is enormous, even with sasuke holding back he did much better than orochimaru. also orochimaru got blitzed and stomped in his strongest form by an almost dead itachi

[@iCherrryyt]

@@plavsk your wrong on so many lvls and interpreted the fight wrong plus taking shi out of context i honestly dont care what you think shi happened 2 months ago

[@plavsk]

@@iCherrryyt alright i know u didnt address any of my points but its ok

[@y4mihd744]

I feel like you’re trolling. Are you stating that early stage sasuke shipudden is stronger than jiraya when itachi and kisame admitted themselves that fighting him even with back up won’t end well.

[@2_loko]

Why do Itachi and Kisame have to be referring to Jiraiya? They never mention a name, so it’s also possible that they’d be cautious of Naruto since he’s the Jinchuriki of the strongest Bijuu. Also, I already provided the evidence for Itachi scaling above the Sannin entirely due to the statements Orochimaru makes about him, so I’m not sure why you even brought this up in the first place

[@opticblastx]

Orochimaru was equal to Hiruzen who Danzo admitted inferiority even with the hashirama cells amp. Hebi Sasuke has the style but not the power to take down Oro, maybe Jiraiya and definitely not Tsunade

[@2_loko]

You could say Danzo admitted inferior to Hiruzen in terms of his political status and moral compass, but there’s basically no way you’d be able to demonstrate that Danzo was actually saying Hiruzen was stronger than him. Also, Danzo’s fight with Sasuke quite literally consisted of him dying over and over again lmfao

[@opticblastx]

@@2_loko my point. same way you're trying to paint Hebi Sasuke much above what he actually is, when the Sannin are generally in the FKS tier or above

[@2_loko]

@@opticblastx I just demonstrated why that isn’t the case lol

[@serendipitouscomet]

@@2_loko Not when you consider the fact that Hiruzen was stated to be the strongest Kage at the time of his death, which puts him above people that Sasuke wasn’t able to beat, even with MS.

[@2_loko]

@@serendipitouscomet It’s amazing that I already addressed this exact same argument in the actual video itself yet you still bring it up like I’m not aware of it

[@DXXD_]

L Video

[@2_loko]

L comment

[@DXXD_]

@@2_loko 🥱

[@plavsk]

W video

[@DXXD_]

@@plavsk L glaze

[@iliebalica4012]

Yes He is 100% stronger then sannin. Feats > Statements

[@cj4ev3r26]

Nah Tsunade victim 🥱

[@iliebalica4012]

@@cj4ev3r26 tsunade gets no diffed by genjutsu and her head falls on the ground

[@thallesalmeida5880]

@@iliebalica4012 Sasuke only one shoted random shinobi this way. AND it was with mangekyou. Remember when Sai first saw Sasuke? Sai was heavilly affected, but still was concious.

[@iliebalica4012]

@@thallesalmeida5880 well He did Not put him in genjutsu or tried to kill him, if He would, sai would be dead, basicly all of them xD

[@HC-gm4fo]

In fiction??? In a “narrative” the “narrative” is the most important. Statements are more important than feats unless you believe every author, not only solved quantum gravity for faster than light scaling and used this scientific breakthrough at all points in the story keeping every feat consistent with universal and scientific laws

[@DrNasrooo]

My take: Tsunade: He Beats her Jiraiya: Could go either way Orochimaru: I think he loses

[@maylabrown4584]

Yeah no Sasuke was not going to survive an encounter with an Orochimaru who was Healthy, he took advantage of him being sick and that's pretty clear in the Manga. Sasuke at the time had zero defense against the White Snake Form, let alone being able to deal with his Edos or even just Manda alone. Orochimaru was physically boxing with 4 Tailed Naruto, there is absolutely nothing that Sasuke could do against him if he wasnt literally dying. Even Hebi Sasuke would die against a Healthy Orochimaru.

[@2_loko]

Sasuke easily defeated the Great White Snake, what do you mean he had “zero defense” against it? Lmao What makes you think Sasuke can’t defeat the Four Tails?

[@maylabrown4584]

@@2_loko Itachi defeated the 8 Headed Orochi Form, not Sasuke. Both Pre and Post-Hebi Sasuke would get decimated against 4 Tailed Naruto, he has nothing in his arsenal that can match up deal with his firepower. A single Tailed Beast Bomb in his general vicinity and it's over.

[@GeneFOX70]

​@@maylabrown4584 Genjutsu oneshots 4 Tails Naruto, and Kirin was shown and calced to have higher Attack Potency than even 6 Tails Naruto's Bijuu Bomb.

[@maylabrown4584]

@@GeneFOX70 Sasuke has zero Genjutsu feats besides when he suppressed the fledging amount of Bijuu Chakra that seeped through an already corroded seal, Kirin doesn't reach the destructibility of a 4 Tailed Beast Bomb either. He wouldn't even have the time to use it while 4 Tailed Naruto is constantly on top of him either. Not to mention that 4 Tailed Naruto was dealing with Orochimaru with no diff and already previously killed Jiraiya during their Training Mission, it would annihilate Sasuke in a direct confrontation by that metric alone.

[@serendipitouscomet]

@@GeneFOX70 That's not the point. Orochimaru was contending with Four Tails Naruto on a physical basis. Sasuke would be forced to use his sharingan to surpress the Four Tails because, if not for that ability, he would be completely decimated. He can't trade blows with a V2 Jinchuriki at that point.

[@nasiru25]

Itachi literally said if he and kisame fought jiraya they would both die

[@2_loko]

Why do Itachi and Kisame have to be referring to Jiraiya in that statement? They never mention a name, so it’s also possible that they could be talking about Naruto instead. They could be cautious of him because he’s the Jinchuriki of the strongest Bijuu. Also, I already provided evidence that Orochimaru is self-admittedly weaker than Itachi, which would make Itachi stronger than the other two Sannin by extension. Not sure why you even brought up that statement lol

[@RizAniki]

He can take on all three tbh

[@ramikpark8387]

Yeah... in the Gina Valentina type of way. Cmon now

[@thallesalmeida5880]

When the Sharingan's genjutsu main counter is having an ally to stop it, I say no. He CAN be stronger than any of them alone, but not all of them combined.

[@prometheusmodelow8322]

I agree that Hebi Sasuke surpassed Orochimaru, mainly because of Prime Orochimaru's scaling to Itachi and Hebi Sasuke believing he could defeat him, however, regarding the statment i have to disagree: Karin and Sasuke never make a reference to the difficulty of the fight, she just says she can't believe Sasuke beat Orochimaru, if she said "i can't believe you are the one who took down Orochimaru that easily!", then it would make more sense, but as it stands, Sasuke's response is merely the explanation of why he beat Orochimaru, he even says "that's all" your interpretation is certainly possible, but it's not the interpretation with the least ammount of inserted meaning. And while Suigetsu wasn't around in the fight, he was around with Sasuke for a while and was around with him in that Karin exchange, so him stating that Sasuke only beat him because of the lack of his arms and his sickness does lend credence to the interpretation of Sasuke explaining why he killed Orochimaru, rather than explaining why it was so easy for him to do it. Sasuke was just being humble, or he realizes his advantage in the early fight (vs sick Orochimaru) gave him a headway against the true form as opposed to if he had to fight prime Orochimaru with all of his techniques (including summonings) before the white snake, maybe Sasuke thinks Oro would have worn him down before overpowering him with the possession (even though Sasuke had more raw power, if he was fatigued he wouldn't be able to overpower the possession). Also the whole thing with his arms being sealed i think it's very obvious Orochimaru is meant to be weaker from it (Suigetsu statement, just because Sasuke pays no attention to the hints that Oro chould be stronger than him, no one contradicts Suigetsu with the fact that Oro was weaker after the arms seal), the chakra isn't just your soul, but being unable to access part of your soul would damage your overall chakra potency you always had before being cut down, regarding Minato, it is a weird situation but even though he's crippled it's not the same as a part of the sould being directly ripped out, and even then Minato has nine tails chakra, which isn't his, so his nerf would be mostly countered by Kurama's chakra (which is the majority of KCM Minato's raw power). I think Orochimaru's weakened soul and the sickness are both vital for why pre-Hebi Sasuke was able to beat him, the soul seal made his raw power weaker, while the sickness allowed Sasuke to skip the early fight with no chakra drain, meaning Orochimaru's diminished chakra had no chance of overpowering Sasuke. Sasuke's power increase from absorbing Oro would be massive, like adding both powers together, and just because Orochimaru has nothing left to teach him doesn't immediately make him weaker in his prime than Sasuke. So i feel it's like: Sick Orochimaru

[@serendipitouscomet]

Sasuke had a better showing than Orochimaru against Itachi due to the match up, not due to sheer power. Sasuke having a sharingan allowed him to nullify the way that Orochimaru lost to Itachi. Not to mention the fact that Itachi orchestrated the entire fight with Sasuke, in order to force Sasuke to rely on Orochimaru's chakra and draw him out of his body. Itachi also wasn't sick or blind against Orochimaru.

[@prometheusmodelow8322]

@@serendipitouscomet Still, Sasuke wasn't aware of Itachi's sickness, he had no point of comparison other than being way stronger than Orochimaru.

[@serendipitouscomet]

@@prometheusmodelow8322 Well no, that’s not necessarily true. Sasuke wasn’t aware that Itachi and Orochimaru already faced one another. Orochimaru actually used being stronger than Itachi with a healthy body as an argument to convince Sasuke into completing the ritual with him.