YOU OVERREACTED to s1mple & Falcons' loss / Major talent DUBS & SNUBS- Snake & Banter 51 ft launders

Thorin and Mauisnake are joined by Mohan "launders" Govindasamy to discuss the talent lineup at the PGL Copenhagen Major, NiP players, Cloud9's continued struggles, reactions to s1mple and Falcons losing their Bo3 at BLAST, a surprising stat for Complexity, recent roster moves at NRG, and more
Snake & Banter is a Counter-Strike talk show, hosted by Duncan "Thorin" Shields and Alex "Mauisnake" Ellenberg, themed around each individual selecting a good, bad and ugly topic to discuss.
This video was recorded on March 13th, 2024.
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0:00:00 - Reactions to getting/not getting hired for the PGL Major
0:07:30 - launders's good point (NiP players time on the team doesn't count)
0:16:29 - Mauisnake's good point (Skyesports Masters)
0:25:27 - Thorin's good point (Richard Lewis is the Major desk host)
0:34:42 - launders's bad point (Cloud9 are wasting our time)
0:46:24 - Mauisnake's bad point (We have underrated sAw and kyxsan)
0:59:18 - Thorin's bad point (Reactions to s1mple's time with Falcons)
1:14:11 - lauders's ugly point (Complexity has never won a single LAN)
1:25:19 - Mauisnake's ugly point (NRG's recent roster move)
1:36:44 - Thorin's ugly point (Freya and YNk won't be at the PGL Major)
#CS2
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#Thorin

[@lafarga2330]

Nice to see a member of the geoguesser community on this show

[@cz_czan]

Literally watched the world championship finals just today. It's not worth it to watch CS now anymore.

[@user-fc8xw4fi5v]

When the fuck is the next geoguessr world championship?? Those are sooo fun to watch

[@contrasbeatshop]

the americas regional qualifiers just finished, and the asia world cup qualifiers lan is in april

[@JackSpicer-mi2jj]

B e n t l e m e n. I am aggrieved. I saw Richard's Four€'mmTeenth BEST OF BY THE NUMBERS video and I feel as though the Braßillian Bruxists were Under represented. Could this be the work of the Corrugated Earners Retaliation Norsepeople? 2:29

[@JackSpicer-mi2jj]

also, as a side note, I never read any of the Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality series, but I mean one could imagine or infer pretty much everything from the title itself. So yeah.

[@j_kArn]

we need launders as the first guest for hot take point made, he’s got the knowledge and the charisma to pull out some straight fire takes

[@tasneemkausar658]

He's also a racist so he can represent the one nation team lovers on htpm

[@GiDiGaD000]

Lets hatemax

[@silver1407]

I can only imagine what thorins response to this would be 😂

[@craxy890]

100% Agree. All of his points here included hot takes. Not everyone seems to understand what a hot take is.

[@Malibuthe6th]

hatemaxxers unite

[@PM1_57]

"device... your time on NIP REALLY DID NOT COUNT " 😂

[@user-fc8xw4fi5v]

RL as desk host instantly maxes the Major hype for me higher than any other before

[@davidlancaster8284]

I need more Launders and Thorin content. Straight fire. Mauisnake is sick too.

[@whoaitstiger]

Last episode I heard Thorin say "The joke is, and no joke" lmfao! 😂

[@Harry-hu7fq]

Launders continues hate week in the first thing he says 😂

[@fr0sty-snowman]

🫵🏼 YOUR TIME ON NIP DOES NOT COUNT

[@ezpk-]

Freya's love for CS also shows in how she talks about it, even in simple lines throwing it to the analysts. Maui's point about the proper questions is something I've noticed that other hosts tend to lack.

[@solcoburn8418]

more launders everywhere please

[@Zhuland3r]

Knew Lau was tall but 51 feet is fucking bonkers

[@andreasmeyer2977]

Haven't seen anyone bring up Nivera in months and the second Launders mentions him he's back lol

[@scouthatesrainbows]

As it was written...

[@alfred9805]

Lisan Al Ghaib !

[@karioa2346]

Launders coming in hot

[@funkygizmo]

content with launders is banger! would love to see him in more shows / as a permanent figure of this organization in the future

[@olsaaan]

He’s a brilliant guest

[@ppnomula]

How am I supposed to keep up with so much content! 😀

[@olsaaan]

This was one of the best ever episodes of snake and banter. You’re all extremely good at keeping the conversation going with a natural flow. Great chemistry

[@balrog1005]

Fantastic episode. The 3 of you together make a great trio. Thanks for all the content.

[@t3h51d3w1nd3r]

One of the best snake and banters in awhile

[@WillieWood42]

"YOUR TIME ON NIP DOES NOT COUNT" HAHAHAHA SO GOOD

[@jah9125]

To Maui’s point on NRG being the Ex-EG core, they didn’t show much results wise in EPL but they did in fact compete pretty well with ENCE, Mouz, MIBR, & beat Rooster (obviously) not to mention they almost (choked) beat G2 at Blast. On paper the upgrades are perfect too oSee SHOULD be better than Junior (inshallah), Brehze (he’s back) as the anchor is much better than HexT was in that role, & HexT has been playing WAY better than Jeorge did in those roles! So this lineup has some potential 🤞

[@decadent5341]

Launders with the 2 bitrate Edit: YOO the timing of Launders Nivera take

[@nishanpokhrel1043]

timestamp?

[@defenselesss]

9:32 HAMPUS TOP FRAGGING ON BLEED XDDDD

[@johnk_32]

Thanks boys for dropping another banger, couldn’t stop giggling the first fifteen minutes

[@Reaching8]

PLEASE tell me this whole thing of Thorin not being hired is just building up a 2GD style walkout. On the first day there’s part of a Lakers jersey visible in the background and he arrives later.

[@AM2K2]

1:10:07 Launders manifested it

[@stef9019]

Love Launders' point on casters & being the current "flavour". I have exactly the same. SPUNJ & Machine are undeniably amazing casters, I just got kinda sick of hearing them so much during the online era and the big finals they've done in the past few years. Currently, Launders & Scrawny are my favourite duo. Before SPUNJ & Machine it was Anders and Moses (for me), etc. , it rotates. That doesn't make the others bad or anything, just not the current flavour like Launders said.

[@tigerjoseph]

Launder's content personality has developed over the past 2 years. Spicy takes & super articulate.

[@jianchen7450]

I see pain in maui eyes 7:41 I wish I was there to give him a hug

[@sthlmfps]

Richard being the desk host at the major means Duncan will carry the torch and host the NoMajorsClub right? :P

[@bar0v]

fuck i'm only 10 minutes in and I already feel this episode will be my favourite of Snake and Banter

[@SlopsMcChops]

Hahaaaa thorin finally said my line about riflers going to igls and the idea that ‘once you see it, you can’t unsee it’

[@Feartheviper]

I honestly thought the biggest failure of Falcons was splitting Saw and Snappi up. Zonic is a great coach but the synergy between Snappi and Saw raised Ence and that old Ence squad with Hades from perennial top 25 nobodies into a legitimate top team even through the roster changes afterwards.

[@Cheezperson]

Great show!

[@dunemeister5718]

Launders doing to the ex-NIP players what Robin Williams did to Matt Damon in that scene in good will hunting “It’s not your fault”

[@lohvrti]

Woah, 2 hours after uploading nivera announces his return to cs.

[@Genome69420]

The maui snake cut must have left off something juicy lol

[@lewilewis9812]

Launders time on NiP doesnt count was so funny. Love it

[@stayhome4626]

1:11:46 you don't know anything about football I like Ronaldo more than Messi bcuz I'm a Real Madrid fan but : Messi has more goal contributions in his career Messi won more individual and team trophies Ronaldo only has more goals bcuz he played more matches . The Zywoo , S1mple thing is different , with Zywoo still at the peek and S1mple at the worst he's ever been , there was no point in time where Ronaldo and Messi were like this . But let's assume , the analogy is correct , still Messi has a way more direct play style over his career than Ronaldo , in his last couple of years in Europe Messi could still take the ball dribble past three players and score where Ronaldo can only score in the traditional Striker Position although he is the most clinical he still needs people to assist him . On the other hand Zywoo is more versatile which means he kill better with different weapons in different situations which means he will get more kills over the long run bcuz no matter what gun he uses and which gun gets nerfed or if it is CSGO or CS2 he will be really good and look really good inside the server . S1mple at his peek (2018 and 2021) was better but he's not anymore that means he's was just the best at one game relatively the best with one gun (AWP) and he isn't anymore .

[@Polyvalent]

Richard doing Vince proud by once again getting back in the game

[@pashalecqua]

S tier episode, u need launders on here more

[@upshot9113]

this the best episode to date so fucking good

[@squatCS]

Definitely sad to see Freya and YNK not make it to the major so thanks for shouting them out

[@RobCooper-Bachatador]

Definition of irony Cloud 9 (Russian) - Cannot find an AWPer Astralis (Danish) - Cannot find an IGL FURIA (Brazilian) - Cannot find an Aggressive rifle Vitality (French) - Cannot find an argument between players

[@Jerome-iwnl]

Nivera is back btw

[@63alkash]

Rofl, dat cut on the 1:48

[@fragelicious]

'Mauisnake' is a cool name.

[@Nathan-hs2ut]

Banger again

[@heseltime]

the harsh TRUTH of complexity : kicking hallzerk SEEMS like the super obvious move to level them up... BUT... This solves nothing... Here's why: floppy and Grim are some of the most OVERRATED riflers in tier 1; they get NO smoke for being VERY average if not slightly BAD.... the coL problem is deeper than just 'kick hallzerk'

[@pkftw4166]

Good good points.

[@cm386464]

Nivera just announced he's coming back to CS lol you did it Launders! Clap

[@AstroSully]

1:10:06 well well launders

[@contrasbeatshop]

babe wake up new episode of snake and banter just dropped

[@hkmj8261]

Major need Thorin!

[@63alkash]

Well, Maui, you forgot about Rich at 6:45

[@elizabethmurigi1131]

Laundry brought the heat and I'm all for it

[@AlexMiamorschh]

Lau is the best snb guest. He embraces the format so well and always comes in with great points

[@ZoiusGM]

On Launders' bad point which is about C9: Counter Strike is a game that is won WITH team play. Launders said that C9 won't win because they don't have a star player ane because they have a good team play. In conclusion, C9 needs an awper but if they lose it won't be because of their team play lol.

[@RobCooper-Bachatador]

Daps said he was meant to be the coach but due to roster locks and a lack of IGL options, he took it temporarily. (Of course that could be PR) Side note... Imagine a world where Team Liquid kept oSee and to 2nd AWP and Rifle - They'd have kept their core, a core that had played together for 18+ months - While cadiaN struggles with the macro/micro of building a plan oSee could pick up the AWP occasionally - They'd have saved 600k on - They'd be a full NA core and ESL could invite them as Local hero to NA events - oSee is low ego, was a support AWPer and could play a high skilled anchor role - oSee biggest highlights and clutches are with the rifle - EliGE pointed out his utility work is extremely high

[@yland3r]

Yeah, daps mentioned it and I believe it was around that same time that autimatic was unofficially confirmed to be in the team once daps moved to coaching as well (the implication being that tim would igl after returning to competition, but ofc that didn't happen, and could have been due to replacing fang instead after the roster didn't work out) I agree that keeping oSee would not have been the worst idea IF they knew from the get-go the situation with cadian in heroic-astralis. I believe this roster is ultimately the result of somewhat competent team-building in a short span (I say somewhat, because they should have still gotten a primary awper / kept osee / found a secondary awp to compliment cadian so the burden of awp-igl wasn't as massive early on). My only question for management really boils down to how much did zews influence the skullz addition. If it was a simple suggestion that management opted to follow, I would start questioning them more than any current player/coach rn.

[@AstroSully]

launders fits in too well

[@reg_legs]

Regarding the RLewis topic, I have met one of his haters IRL. My coworker is blocked by Richard 😂

[@floofy1]

1:12:50 i agree with Thorin. a team with s1mple main awp and zywoo rifle or the other way round would be INSANE. it'd be one of the biggest thing to happen in the CS WORLD and i think everyone would be hyped to see that happen

[@e1tuomas]

hopefully thorin manages to get a talk to thorin show with Saw some day

[@djayt]

Launders was made for this

[@Drwiggles69]

Killer episode

[@smoothbrain_cs]

Lau is a blessing to our community man

[@mauriciobetimpaesleme8702]

Dude... I did not even think about it but Richard and Maui would be straight fire!! Even a shit game like Lynn vs Legacy could have great desk moments.

[@jrath98]

why does launders sound like a Southern baptist preacher absolving people of their sins during a tent revival

[@AstroSully]

59:06 🤣

[@conorcarrigan5543]

Maui's take on the COL thing is awful. JT and TC are both awful. Grim's floor is somewhere in tier 77. Floppy is a solved mid prospect who will never figure out anything. Elige has been running that team, and has carried JT's existence. Totally revamped both CT and T sides, making the individuals look better than they are. Without Elige, COL aren't going to the major, they're not even making a playoffs at any decent event.

[@M8Hundreds]

comedy gold 6:55

[@michnasss9433]

Nivera just announced he’s coming back to cs, the timing

[@McChickenJOI]

Nivera, your time professionally with Scream does NOT COUNT

[@McChickenJOI]

seriously though. As a fan of Valorant esports, the way this guy's been misused and put in these fucking prison teams with scream is the most criminal thing ive ever seen, after he had that super short unfortunate stint in vitality where he did show promise

[@nishanpokhrel1043]

time stamp?

[@bammst1957]

ok no kassad we full party here

[@bansheem5382]

Is maui now hired?

[@holiday2718]

Im usually not much of a launders fan but his good point had me rolling

[@bazzakrak]

PHEW!!! Come on Duncan, let the others get in, just look at Duncan talking from 51:00 to 57:00 all alone

[@varunnarain50]

Thorin’s point on S1mple was bang on. Despite everything, when you see S1mple on the server, you do believe he can turn it on and become the best player we’ve ever seen. While I was a bit miffed that he didn’t dominate, the overreaction from morons is embarrassing. The dude has proven time and again he’s an absolute monster.

[@KingT_CSGO]

Players are recovering from their nipslip.

[@charu1473]

Why didn't thorin do antwerp?

[@cristoforcasto2400]

Launders boxr gang! 🐇

[@ims0ul]

Ironically, C9 has a secondary AWP: buster

[@hunterkun4712]

better than device is crazy lmaooooooo

[@-Jester]

I didn't know Launders was 51ft tall

[@Pyt3x]

high energy banger

[@tech4172]

Launders forgets how bad eliges EMO attitude is and how destructive that can be on the team so yes I agree about complexity but you also have to admit elige is still an issue maybe nor in impact on server but the bad impact in person

[@jamessimbolon3887]

Man imagine if they did - axile + s1mple. That’d go hard. Maybe even -hobbit + bit, and then at that point they could just add Blade

[@Frogesh]

wtf that's just Navi bruh. only problem is S1mple said he don't wanna join Russian team

[@jamessimbolon3887]

@@Frogesh yeah that’s the joke lol I’m not being serious, it’s just funny to me that c9’s roster has more of the Navi core from Stockholm than Navi

[@beradical695]

At last free nation its always hate week bro

[@Hornnnnnn]

Just another common LFN W

[@weakie87]

Saw is number one coach for sure

[@TYLERLOVESBMX1]

Elige is a top 5 player getting held back by a shit team

[@sentryion3106]

Imagine if there’s a team with jt elige naf twistz and an eu awper. Now that’s NA dream team.

[@tuskutin]

"nivera is one of the big losses"(to valorant) *2 hours pass* "NIvera announces cs comeback"

[@vangod1]

On the Complexity point, I believe they should replace BOTH hallzerk and grim. Hallzerk just flat out whiffs shots every game and grim’s performance in this team has got to be one of the biggest disappointments in NA CS history. They both should go or else complexity will stay the same crumbling mess it has been.

[@Cucumberous]

Can't wait for all the hatemaxxing

[@slayinkittys2843]

I disagree with launders bad point. Trying to say cloud9 having good team play is a negative?!? That's backwards af. That should be celebrated that they have that aspect to their game...

[@nishantnayak3792]

Niko is the only star player who became an IGL and quit and he is still playing soo good.

[@KeefeL]

Forsaken bringing Indian CS to the wider audience Just glad that there's even an event in South Asia

[@fragelicious]

If work was ass, Launders would get more than a toilet seat. Must have been annoying hearing the other two complain about not being chosen as much anymore, in a world of great talent.

[@user-qc5kp1cy5s]

thorin point about s1mple, i have to disagree on some level. a) hes not looking good in fpl. yes people might say, 'bro its just fpl'' but to people who watch s1mple play fpl in csgo know s1mple always try hard n put a crazy number most of the time(thats how good he is). now go see s1mple play fpl in cs2, he looks straight up average n only very few games, he play super well. b) as we all know s1mple right now living like a man without a land(cuz of war) n that part of those prolong issue is 100% taking away hes focus from the game. u have to live in different county with different culture, people n friend will eat u up mentally n lets be real, this war wont end soon so i doubt we can see old s1mple soon(or ever).

[@getCoDos]

Does YnK even have an accent anymore? Sure, during his first years as an analyst it might have been more noticeable since he was of of the few slavs on an English speaking desks. But now he's more fluent and coherent than most native speakers. If the "accent" is this a problem for TOs in this day and age of CS, they're just delusional.

[@RatedX29]

Maui: PGL wants people that are more milk toast. Meanwhile PGL hires RL (I am a fan of both. I just thought that was funny)