You Should Be Worried About Your DNA Privacy

As DNA tests such as 23andMe and AncestryDNA become increasingly popular, concerns about genetic privacy are mounting-and with good reason, says the Atlantic writer Sarah Zhang. In the latest Atlantic Argument, Zhang explains how the recent spate of arrests that were made due to DNA databases-the most famous being the Golden State Killer-are just the beginning.
“Soon, it won’t be hard to imagine a world where everyone can be found for whatever reason through a relative’s DNA,” Zhang says in the video.
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[@jozz2248]

Can also figure your genetic weaknesses, predispositions and yet unknown applications. Sure wouldn't want health insurance companies to have access to this info.

[@Enyonam214]

Jozz Wheeden fuck

[@Sarah-eh7bw]

Or employers...

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

Jozz Wheeden "Sure wouldn't want health insurance companies to have access to this info." There are several problems with the privacy concerns about home order tests like ancestry.com and 23andme. For starters, while 23andme can tell you of hints about you being a sprinter vs a long distance runner, it *CAN'T* tell you "genetic weaknesses" or "yet unknown applications" because it only tests a really ridiculously tiny amount of your DNA. It can't test your entire genome. Then you have to realize that there is no verifiable identifying information about anyone who does these tests, to *PROVE* that the are who they say they are. These tests can determine if someone is someone else's biological parent or child, but they won't be accepted in court for the reason I just gave. If a health insurance company were to just hack into ancestry.com's database, they still have no hard proof of the identities of the millions of people they'd see. Yes, everyone has a right to privacy...but the privacy concerns about home mail order ancestry tests like 23andme and ancestry.com are overblown.

[@Ya_flyness]

@@apgeneticgenealogylover6601 that's why we have Hipaa laws

[@_godsl4yer_]

Yea. It's totally fine to lie to them and say you have the body of a genetic God, yet you're actually deteriorating. But wow how dare they try to find the truth so they don't give you cheap insurance, when you'll probably catch illness in the next week. Wow corruption in society...I SWEAR!

[@mmmk1616]

I've always been worried that another case like Henrietta Lacks will happen. She was an African-American woman whose cancer cells are the source of the HeLa cell line, the first human cell line to prove successful in vitro, which was a scientific achievement with profound future benefit to medical research. AND SHE WAS NEVER TOLD ABOUT IT! Her family didn't find out til decades later. She had cervical cancer and samples of her tumor were taken as part of a biopsy. Many companies have profited from the research, there have been 2 Nobel prizes won because of research based on her dna. Her family didn't get anything, I don't think. It is so unfair!

[@sgs6991]

Yeah, but HeLa cells have saved many lives. Not everything is about money.

[@bonitaapplebaum4202]

+S Gs That redundant when the companies that profited from her suffering are now worth billions.

[@HH-bz6me]

@@sgs6991 They could have at least payed for her cancer treatment or some type of reward for her cells. Funny how it's not about money in a multi billion dollar industry when it's about black people. Funny how alot of countries received reparations but not when it comes to black people. Noticed a pattern here huh?

[@lisangelblack9070]

@@bonitaapplebaum4202 not every thing is about money...right...If she was White, that family would be billionaires....and everyone, especially you, would be cheering them on to be rightfully compensated.

[@SweetPotatoS]

S Gs you sound ignorant read the book. They didn’t care about her or her family they lied to them and took parts of her without permission

[@jimdandy8996]

Send in your dog's saliva under your name and see what comes back.

[@DJMixFlow93]

😂😂😂

[@starventure]

Jim Dandy They will send you back a picture of a dog.

[@neph808]

Aye that's a good idea

[@annberry8149]

That would be fun if you like do things like burn $100 bills

[@shezgill]

Nothing would come back. The dna segments used are specific to humans and a dogs dna would not amplify enough to sequence. (I used to work in a molecular biology lab with dna sequencing)

[@tammcd]

If sufficient information to eliminate privacy is _already_ out there, then this video warning is too late.

[@charliejones5423]

It’s been late for a long time

[@jamisojo]

And this lack of privacy effects me how? Oh yeah. It doesn't actually affect me. My worst privacy problems are unavoidable. They involve the fact that humans live all around me. I can see them and they can see me. Causing anxiety.

[@fouadmas5413]

So did the "popular" PCR testing in 2021 collect everyone's DNA

[@SoundBlackRecordings]

I don't think this did the best job of getting its message across. It mainly seems to warn rapists and killers they can be found this way.

[@DharmaDerelict]

Judy Apelsin I don’t think a single rapist is going to be deterred by this video. lol

[@inveritategloria]

Hooray! You've passed my philosophical entry exam.

[@PHlophe]

@@DharmaDerelict i know right ? but these gals are using a minuscule group of abhorrent folk to normalize this.

[@marginelouis6674]

@@PHlophe or insurance providers using it to deny you coverage

[@Sylvskii]

Stfu

[@zacharyp32]

So basically there is no solution because any one of my relatives could compromise me.

[@starventure]

zacharyp32 Yup.

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

Especially the relatives who think their family is special and they need to dig into their super special genealogy. LOL.

[@jamisojo]

@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Family history sounds more important than the "risks" of genetic testing.

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

@@jamisojo putting """"""RISKS"'""" in scare quotes doesn't resolve the risks. and your family simply isn't special, sorry. nor is race very important. the important thing is to develop one's own character and stop handing the overlords your dna. because they're not using it for what they say they are. or hell, go ahead. fork it over. don't care.

[@ktms1188]

Wait until these people try to get life insurance in 30 years and they have public access to all your records with all the releases that are signed and never read.

[@jesuschristislord7754]

Technology is destroying humanity.

[@michaelthompson9540]

Humanity was created to create technology. Mutualism, like a parable of a fig tree.

[@jesuschristislord7754]

@@michaelthompson9540 "humanity was created to create technology" interesting coming from atheism/materialism/$cientism™. Created by whom exactly?

[@bleedingcovenant9495]

no, humanity always wanted the caste system .

[@junjungatbos3548]

And the planet

[@jonjo8877]

No. Humanity is destroying humanity. Just using technology to do it.

[@kastanjetakesten7331]

Yesterday I bought one DNA test. It isn't just DNA and family curiosity. It's privacy permission, storage of samples permission, some permissions for cousins, and other permissions. I was scared for my privacy and threw the test in the trash.

[@harasxo]

why didnt u get a refund..

[@normanoro206]

Clearly, this is good to know. On the one hand, criminals are going to have a tougher time escaping justice. On the other, as these techniques and databases develop, everyone's privacy is potentially endangered. Fortunately, I think people are already thinking about ways to safeguard genetic data to protect privacy when a crime isn't involved. Also, if you're Asian (I'm Filipino-American), the data are sparser, so this isn't as applicable (yet). Of course, in time, that'll change.

[@baileystark7629]

Crime on that level affects a infinitely minuscule amount of people compared to the entire population. The odds of you being involved in something like that are infinitesimally small. The news just plasters every case they can find. Databases of DNA is wrong and Orwellian and stupid. Though even without databases, DNA can still be used and is a good indicator when it comes to crime. But it should not be used alone.

[@checkthemikecrophone9050]

Ummmm they already have your dna where do you think blood results and urine samples go?

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm this is a more direct line and makes it harder to prosecute for improper use of data.

[@YAWSSSSSS]

I believe since those are used for medical use then they are kept private because they’re protected under HIPAA but we never know

[@StellaCarey]

those specimens are destroyed after use, and also protected by HIPAA.

[@jareno5496]

And it's now coming out that some companies in the UK are selling customers' DNA found on PCR test swabs

[@avemyriam1]

True or not, I'm wondering about risks like the organs trade black market. They can easily see compatibilities

[@steviesaccountsteviesaccou9682]

This only upsets me because my family has already done this, so I don’t get to have a say in my privacy anymore.

[@jamisojo]

The Boogeyman is going to find you now for sure 😉.

[@neutralmortal]

@Hence Forgot doesn't make any difference.

[@darkrising8280]

Most scary thing about this for me is health insurance prices

[@Anonymous-eo2er]

I’m just curious to figure out how Polish I am.. I’ll be fine

[@moderngod1]

Are you more duct tape polish or zip ties polish?

[@LilPharo]

Did u do it

[@faramund9865]

I would love to know how my DNA compares to certain groups but I just do not want to give anyone this kind of power over me. So unfortunately I won't take one!

[@ghostshadow5811]

Another problem and that is putting it lightly...these companies can match you with those whom are sick and are rich...then you become an unwilling participant in bone marrow extraction. Sounds crazy but I can assure this is happening.

[@avemyriam1]

I'm wondering about risks like the organs trade black market. They can easily see compatibilities

[@betopatino5114]

There probably doing that every time you get labs done and we don't even know it's nappening.

[@carlah6234]

my thoughts exactly!

[@ajrod441]

I don't plan on committing any crimes that would make my DNA incriminating, and any one related to me shouldn't either. But still...Bio chemical weapons based off of DNA, hacks, ect.,...and just lost of privacy. Damn! Although I was happy to finally know my true ancestry, I hate the fact that I willingly gave a DNA sample years ago that can be used for almost anything. If I had have known then the things that I know now....ugh!!

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

funny.

[@RuslanDorfman]

Genome Wide Screening tests used by 23andme and other ancestry testing providers have great power to identify any person with fairly high level of confidence/precision. Targeted gene panels, such as pharmacogenetic tests, are better solution because they offer deeper analysis of specific genes to provide more accurate results, as well as better protect person's privacy. Limited set of markers does limits the ability to identify person uniquely and also does not deal with potential liability of uncovering genetic predisposition to disease.

[@x-mess]

23nme is owned by Google... a data mining company

[@yesid17]

I'm not sure you can come to the conclusion given in the last sentence from the information provided in the video, but it is thought-provoking at the least regardless-the very nature of privacy will undoubtedly change, it will be interesting to watch the change happen over my lifetime

[@tip4823]

What about every single person being pcr-tested right now?! Anyone here in 2021?

[@khalidibrahim5298]

true, all ppl get PCR test and it is a DNA test .. they have our data 😬 we are done

[@alexoswald932]

@@khalidibrahim5298 done how..?

[@khalidibrahim5298]

@@alexoswald932 they have our book our dna they can do whatever they want bro

[@alexoswald932]

@@khalidibrahim5298 So what? The governent also records your name, your age, family, wedding info, where you work, where you graduated, where and when you will die. What impact does this information have on you? If you are so against governent having your personal information, you might as well go live in the woods.

[@SuperJhon360]

I just started thinking about this today which caused me to come and look up this video. all the thinking I've done can go down into one cold statement. "If Hitler had access to this technology Jewish people would be extinct" All you need to do is read into what this technology does and you'll realize that the statement I made is chilling. It's bothered me all morning because a lot of people in my family want to do it which means even my DNA is at risk now for exposure even though I wont do it. If a freedom fighter in a totalitarian regime were to get captured. just from his DNA they can find every single person related to him and use them as leverage to get everything he knows or effectively erase his lineage from the population. It's a very effective tool for a totalitarian regime to take full advantage of. History has already shown that anybody who's related to a "traitor" the sons, mothers fathers, daughters, brothers of a traitor and are considered and treated the same just the same as if they had done it themselves. Not to mention the superiority that some people with "better DNA" could have over people with "damaged DNA." A lot of people like to make the claim that you shouldn't have to worry if you got nothing to hide, but they always assume that the government never makes mistakes and that the government is never corrupt and that the government will never abuse power. They live in fairy tail land and they need reality to hit them. Laws of discrimination should be put into the books saying that you can't discriminate, DNA cannot be used as a means of identification or discrimination. The only time the DNA can be resourced from a company or database is if the police or FBI CIA requests it with a warrant. But as it stands currently these companies are allowed to give that information to anyone they want and law enforcement only needs to ask. If tomorrow in your country they mandated that everyone must come down to a government office and give their fingerprints to be put into the main database, Would you do it.

[@destressfrlyf843]

Very informative article but What can we do with this information, other than quake in fear

[@mehraneh1554]

don't take dna tests from 23andme and ancestry

[@matte5003]

@@mehraneh1554 Did you not watch the video? She literally said it doesn't matter if you take DNA testing or not, one of your relatives you might not even KNOW might of already taken one. And you're already screwed. But like someone else said in the comments, this is basically just telling you just don't commit crimes cuz they CAN and WILL find you

[@mehraneh1554]

@@matte5003 he asked about what he Could do, and the only thing you can do is not take the tests yourself.

[@matte5003]

@@mehraneh1554 Still not getting my point but ok.

[@mehraneh1554]

@@matte5003 he can't stop his distant relatives from getting dna tests, the only thing he can do is not do a test himself. whats so hard to understand about this concept

[@dancoulson6579]

Due to freedom of information, you're allowed to request a copy of all the data an organization holds on you. So if the police have my DNA sample, surely I'm entitled to a copy of my genetic structure? I wouldn't mind having all the millions of characters printed on a poster on my wall.

[@lil_weasel219]

The information they have on you is limited to your nucleotide sequence lol

[@frankeinstein719]

Okay, so you've told me what's the problem. Now could you tell me what's the solution?

[@marisabeltran3084]

So this is a warning for criminals, not for me.

[@SCarboni]

The one thing they left out of the video is that the DNA was uploaded to a website where people freely upload their genetic code to websites, outside AncestryDNA or 23andMe. Doing a DNA test DOES NOT put your information on these freely available website.

[@maddy-1353]

The thing is tho, even if you know to be aware of taking DNA tests, other people related to you that have taken a DNA test..won’t it have your..

[@Thenewlife83]

I want to try this. But yep, no! I'd hate to do this and somebody come knocking on my door with some mess and it's not even me!

[@JXN1999]

Oh no I can't be a serial killer :(

[@bdancestars]

23andme just got hacked so. I’m glad I saw this video years ago.

[@pokemonbacon1237]

So how does this affect me in anyway???

[@aresvarvaro7346]

So what exactly should i be worried about?

[@newgoliard6059]

I'm having a hard time feeling bad about the rights of rapists and murders being stepped on

[@inveritategloria]

That is exactly my concern too. If they CAN take criminals down by DNA tests, then they can NOT take the decent people at all. Worry!

[@stephanienowak4022]

Well, there's a certain type of group that likes to protect and make excuses for criminals...

[@Br4ndonxJx]

The concern is that it is very difficult to ensure that it would only be rapists and murders having their "rights stepped on." Also, we should be concerned with alleged criminals as well. The question would be: Is it okay to step on the rights for just alleged criminals?

[@LilPharo]

Somebody robs a bank while you’re in there. Robbers were clean but you accidentally left a strand of hair on the floor. They test it. You took a DNA test. It matches to only you . What happens ?

[@newgoliard6059]

@@LilPharo The bank video clearly shows me at the bank at another time other than the robbery. I then ask about the other hair on the floor. Why not test them all?

[@peytonfan]

Why isn't this a topic widely talked about.

[@CoolDude-on9eg]

Peytonfan The government doesn’t want you to know that they’re doing these DNA tests to track you.

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

@@CoolDude-on9eg Yeah, the government is so able to track people using ancestry tests that have no verifiable identity information attached to them, just like the government can track people with paternity/police tests, which do have verifiable identity information attached to them. what color is the sky in *YOUR* world?

[@14598175]

If a woman impregnated via a sperm bank petitions the court, the court sends a subpoena to these DNA companies, and now she can sue for back child support for the entire 18 years a child was with her. If the sperm bank went out of business, he's SOL b/c those records were destroyed. That's hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake, lawyers WILL FIND A WAY.

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

14598175 These ancestry tests, which definitely can determine if someone is a biological father/mother or child, have *never been and would not be* recognized in court because there is no chain of custody. A suspected father, even if he took an ancestry test and that test said that he *IS* the biological father, would *STILL* be made by the court to do a standard paternity test (which has a procedure called a chain of custody where the person submitting the sample is fingerprinted and photographed to ensure that it is in fact him/her submitting the sample), to establish paternity.

[@x-mess]

Interesting... so the police using 23nme to find the serial killer is invalid? Or is it ok bc it's part of the investigation...

[@zioncommand]

"We found you!!! You owe us money." Thanos: I don't even know who you are.

[@bojackhorseman555]

There's no legal responsibility for donors if you donate through a professional organization.

[@OVXX666]

is this a bad thing

[@TheWeirdMusic]

Yikes, so many ignorant people in the comments who can't think two steps ahead and see the potential consequences of your DNA being public information. It's not just the crime aspect, people. For example, health insurers could look up your genetic profile and see whether you're prone to a certain disease, thereby denying you their services or decide to charge higher fees. You may not see it now, but genetic profiling has the potential to really affect your life.

[@XavierZara]

What's next?

[@Dano-uf8ys]

RFID implantation. Big brother Is Watching.

[@Native722]

This does raises privacy concerns

[@ameliaz4544]

I was always worried that if someones judged the government too harshly. they could plant their DNA into a serious crime scene.

[@CM7777...]

not if you have an aliby

[@sweetjello_7057]

lol wtf are they gonna do with my DNA?

[@EricCole69]

Clone you lol

[@saadagha9642]

SweetJello _ seriously I always think the same thing. More importantly, if someone really wants my DNA so badly it’s not very hard to get it any way.

[@xypaisb8026]

Hell yeah I'm not that special

[@StellaCarey]

mine it

[@williamthegunnut3839]

You can do ancestry test without dna. It mostly finds out about your family tree.

[@aisling1300]

Yes but family's lie , dna doesnt

[@toni_wood]

The Santa Rita Jail in Dublin,Ca has been taking oral swabs of people detained only for questioning and freed inmates at the time of discharge as well as retinal scans.Dna Abuse and H.i.p.p.a. Rights Violations are very concerning. The indingent, vulnerable,minority groups and those discarded by Society tend to suffer due to lack of resources,poverty and lack of legal counsel. It's just not right or fair.

[@jamisojo]

I'm pretty sure they have a lot bigger problems than genetic testing. Come on. 😁

[@abdullaalbraiki5331]

So is it bad that they found the killer

[@saadagha9642]

For a lot of people it seems like it. They don’t care about killers being caught. They care about their DNA being used to catch a killer. Seriously, how on Earth can this effect you negatively? What can anyone do with your dna???

[@donttrip7880]

Evil will be called good and good will be called evil

[@dls9952]

This is very old. Things happen before they’re brought to public attention.

[@midnightbluenoz]

fucking hell i was just watching cold cases documentaries and was confused so looked this up. police shouldn't be able to abuse peoples privacy like this. yes its good they get the criminals but not like this. these companies should be shut down!

[@daltongrowley5280]

thank god I'm adopted.

[@starventure]

Dalton Growley What good is that when your biological parents are easily identifiable online? Even if you don’t know them, someone else already does.

[@JacksonWalter735]

I should be concerned, but as long as I'm a law abiding citizen, I have nothing to worry about. If any of my relatives committed any crimes, I would be happy my DNA help officials catch them. The ones I would be worried for are the anonymous sperm or egg donors who want to remain anonymous. Aside from that, I've been very happy with these DNA tests. My sister got these AncestryDNA kits for Christmas for the whole family and it was fun determining where we came from. To our surprise, we've also found close DNA matches in California as well. Turns out, my grandfather raped a young girl in during his military days of the Vietnam War even though he had a wife and child (my uncle) at home. That Vietnamese woman gave birth to my mother's half brother and their family eventually immigrated to the U.S. after the Vietnam War ended. I had an uncle and cousins I didn't even know about. My grandfather still denies ever being unfaithful to my grandmother to this day and thankfully my grandmother passed away before she ever knew. Getting to know my uncle, aunt, and cousins over Skype and Facebook has been a pleasure and I can't wait to visit them once it's safe to travel again.

[@jamisojo]

Exactly. The privacy concerns are more paranoia than legitimate risks.

[@foxtemple1952]

You have. Your health insurance knows what issues you may have in the future. The government can vaguelt predict your behavior, since most behavioral traits are roughly 60% genetic.

[@caribbeanqueen1389]

Still don't get the risk...

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

there is none, just idiots with nothing better to do trying to spread crap about things they know nothing about.

[@DineshKumar-ym9jk]

Look at the positives. Her argument is it is helping catch criminals and know who your biological dad is? Absolutely crazy.

[@phillosophy5103]

Wow.. Ok.

[@gabrielrodriguesduartedini3309]

I didn't understand what is bad

[@fatimashafiuadamu2970]

I would still take one

[@stiles9635]

This issue will be moot once we all have cybernetic implants and can get hacked like a computer can. 🤷‍♀️

[@ItsMyWorld617]

Scary shit.....

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

Paula O That you have plenty of people who don't know anything about genetics nor do they know anything about DNA testing procedure, and that leads them to spread misinformation and fear mongering.

[@Dano-uf8ys]

Agha Tutoring: That's what scares me. Big Brother.

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

Dano1947 Big Brother couldn't give a damn less about what percent "neanderthal" you are, especially since there's no verifiable identity information attached to these genealogy tests. If Big Brother really wanted to "track you" then chances are you probably already have at least one of the following: a drivers license, taxes, a social security number, or a birth certificate. *In other words, shit that actually has verifiable identity information attached to it that you could actually do something with* (like take your social security number and open a bank account with your name on it)

[@x0UncleSam0x]

Well if you don't write your damn name, they can never link the sample to anything. Except maybe a credit card.

[@lemonlimeeyeliner7905]

my grandma took a dna test. >:(

[@ccsstorm]

What is this , this means I'm hiding some potential rapist or murderer by not taking it ?

[@DeRocco21]

Gedmatch is public!

[@xjetski7022]

Anyone else only watching this video cause a teacher said you had too?

[@Dano-uf8ys]

APgeneticgealogylover : Voila, not wala fool, it's french for there it is, or there you have it.

[@frankthephilistine4713]

Scalar bombs targeting specific DNA should be what sccares you about this

[@prahanormal]

Privacy is a thing of the past. Until the internet fizzles, everyone's information is readily available for anyone willing to pay the relatively low cost to get it

[@rancidapprentice4679]

Hey how and where to buy it

[@Helena96]

I send my DNA bcs of that ancestery test...I did not know. pray over me. Please.

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

ᖴᗩITᕼ You did not know what, that the bullcrap spread by these conspiracy idiots about all these bad things are going to happen to *YOU* (and not somebody far more prominent, like presidential candidate Bernie Sanders or President daughter Ivanka Trump) for doing a test is jut that, bullcrap?

[@lmsatafb]

Its a good thing to catch dangerous criminals right?! Im confused.

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

What happens when most people are the criminals, and the righteous are the few?

[@saadagha9642]

Omg it’s such a terrible thing they caught this killer! Such a pathetic argument that goes against common sense. So if my first cousin (whether I know them or not) was a killer and they caught them cuz I uploaded my DNA, I would be proud, not worried. Seriously what’s the risk here? Your name might come up cuz a distant relative did something bad? Wow that’s a huge problem. If you never did anything bad, you shouldn’t worry and you should be helping justice. Someone knowing your DNA allows them nothing that they can do to you. Fear mongering geniuses like you in this video are obstructing justice.

[@Deadchannel614]

Omg no! It’d be a shame if someone used my DNA to clone me.

[@michaelthompson9540]

It has already happened. The time is coming, the time has already come. When will the resurrection of the dead take place? It has already happened yet not many can see it.

[@noahjoseph9055]

@@michaelthompson9540 wow you are pretty good at waffling you should teach me.

[@juancalderon8652]

Warning Dont give your Blood to These companys

[@jbtindz1]

Adoption issues

[@ayolezgetthismoney5415]

Maybe I should be more thoughtful about it but I’m sure that by now I’ve been cloned at least 12 times😂

[@sathitlee1992.]

Dna is the computer fault not the human try to hurt other for what ... Crazy for power?

[@christineplum4445]

Donor conceived people is more accurate than "sperm donor conceived kids". Many who are searching are already adults. There are also egg and embryo donation conceived people. Also there is a strong ethical argument for donor conceived people and adoptees to have access to information about their genetic roots if they are interested in this information. There are a lot of ethical minefields in anonymity which is really a marketing strategy for the very profitable fertility and adoption industries.

[@PHlophe]

the clip indicates that there are ways around it to find informations despite all the barriers and hurdles that come to your mind.

[@christineplum4445]

@@PHlophe yes, I did watch the clip. It, however, presented donor conceived people finding genetic family members as one of the downsides of these DNA databases. I, however, feel that it can be one of the upsides.

[@Proofesure]

What if they clone you

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

You must be a bad person to worry about if they do.

[@aureliojimenez8038]

No DNA for anyone

[@terencewinters2154]

Most people dont commit crimes . The real threat may come from medical insurers who might charge higher premiums for preexisting conditions risk exposure . And yes the Lacks case where she was not compensated for a medical advancement attributed to her dna is a troubling example of where persons granting access in this kind of contract are not in pari ie equal bargaining position to receive a benefit flowing from their contribution . The mutual benefit rule of contract is then at risk for the person contributing to the greater good.

[@jamisojo]

All you need is a law that prevents discrimination. We probably already have it on the books. The fact that some people smoke, or are obese, or alcoholics isn't a secret but I bet they don't charge them more already.

[@terencewinters2154]

@@jamisojo it is not simply some race case it effects all persons who have their dna, organs, or, blood products or skin removed without the CONSENT to allow these people to profit. You may consent sometimes but when medical and biotech industry profits to the tune of billions for things like baby stem cells from abortions or live births you are in effect stealing. Take recent cases where Saudis forced migrant workers to undergo kidney removals and you'll start get the point. We are not talking about stalks of celery here.. in sum in most cases you ARE talking about LARCENY BY TRICK.

[@saphire5271]

Why worry? Unless you are a criminal or a family member who is involved or condones murder and other crimes! So what if insurance will know your health? So if you can cheat you will? One way or another we all have medical conditions no one has a perfect health. Now if one day we are all red flagged for certain diseases don't you think that would end business for insurance companies? It's them who's at the losing end for fewer people will be qualified lol!

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

Yeah hopefully there will be more education so these conspiracy theories are not as overblown as they are now. So many people who believe in these conspiracy theories seem to completely miss the point that among other things, there is no verifiable identity information attached to these ancestry tests like there are with DNA tests done for paternity or police. When you do a DNA test for paternity or police (nevermind that the DNA markers they look at are specifically meant to help identify individuals whereas the DNA markers these ancestry tests look at are not), they can't just say "they have your DNA" with just a name. They need to have you take photographs, fingerprints, etc, to verify that the DNA came from you. So many of these conspiracy minded people just don't seem to comprehend this, and that no such procedures are done with these ancestry tests. If an insurance company somewhere really wanted to just hack into ancestry.com, 23andme, etc. if they even could, they couldn't do anything with no verifiable proof that the name "John Smith" is the same John Smith they are looking to try to deny insurance to. Hopefully more people will come to finally understand this fact.

[@x-mess]

@@apgeneticgenealogylover6601 insurance companies don't need to hack dna companies... just purchase the dna info... then deny or raise premiums to certain families.. bc it's about probabilities..

[@Dano-uf8ys]

APgeneticgenealogylover:: I haven't licked a stamp since they came out with sticky surface stamps and DNA won't help identify without a name.. Also fingerprints don't stay on record forever. The government didn't start sampling DNA till 911.

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

Dano1947 Why didn't you actually respond to me? Anyway.... "DNA won't help identify without a name" And that is exactly one of the things about these tests what these idiots trying to spread paranoia about these tests seem to miss entirely. They don't know a damn thing about how DNA testing works or the procedures DNA testing are done. This information might be too long to read or too nuanced for these conspiracy idiots to get through their fat heads and big mouths, but it works like this, are you ready? Here we go: When you do a DNA test in person, for police or the government or for paternity in court...... *you don't just put down a name on the test and "wala" they have your DNA. It doesn't work that way* There must be a procedure you have to go through called.....and I know this is something brand new to the conspiracy idiots out there.... *a CHAIN OF CUSTODY* What do those words " *CHAIN OF CUSTODY* " mean? *You have to actually be photographed. You have to actually be fingerprinted. You have to actually not only show your identification (like your driver's license), but you have to show MULTIPLE FORMS OF ID. You also are not even allowed to do the test on yourself.....you have to sit there with your mouth open while someone else, an authorized lab technician with gloves on...swabs your mouth for you* That's what a *CHAIN OF CUSTODY IS* They, the authorities (police, government, court, etc.) have to make *sure on top of sure on top of sure* that 1) you are actually doing the test, instead of just saying you did and putting your name on it, or having somebody else test in your place using your name 2) the name you provide actually is your name and you really are who you say you are and aren't just making a name up (like "Mickey Mouse" I'm serious), 3) that you know who you are rather than somebody with amnesia who forgot his name and 4) they need to distinguish you from the thousand or so other living people who share the same first and last name as you *NO SUCH THING goes on when someone does these mail order genealogy tests* (not to mention that the genetic markers that the "authority" tests are analyzing are completely different from the genetic markers looked at to estimate someone's ancestry). When someone sends in a swab sample, you don't really know who or even what that sample came from. The name the person provided, could be anyone if it's even a real name at all. Nor do you really have anyway to distinguish that sample from the other people who share that same first and last name. I've had multiple people do ancestry tests, then (albeit accidentally) mixed up their names. Who would really know? These fucking idiots have not put any thought whatsoever into the scenario of if some insurance company, for whatever strange reason, really wanted to deny someone named "John Smith" coverage or raise premiums against them, and then for some strange reason decided to go hack into 23andme or ancestry.com or family tree DNA to look for any DNA results with the "name" of "John Smith" on it, and then found one (or many) ancestry results with the name "John Smith" on them, and then decided to use that to deny coverage or raise premiums against the "John Smith" who is trying to apply for insurance.... *can you imagine how many fucking lawsuits there would be, because the "John Smith" applying for insurance had nothing to do with the "John Smiths" who did ancestry tests?* Wake the hell up. It's so difficult to see why so many people have such a difficult time comprehending these facts, and instead choose to let pure ignorance and fear run wild while trying to spread their completely unfounded bullshit around to dissuade other people from testing.

[@luislozano6073]

Is it that bad to be found? I understand conspiracy concerns like using it for biological weapons, but why would anyone be afraid to be found? (Genuine doubt, I really don't see the problem, but if there is one I would like to know)

[@BittersweetMayhem]

If you arent doing anything wrong then you wouldnt care if they put cctv in your house. If you do nothing wrong then what is wrong with having your dna available. Privacy. It can be abused

[@susiprop6791]

Illegal organ trafficking is a thing

[@spaceyworldx0002]

For me it’s not about the privacy of the tests it’s the fact they are ripping you off as the results aren’t accurate and as scientific as you think they are in reality these tests aren’t really telling you where you come from and are actually just a fun family gift to get them excited but something that isn’t really there in their DNA

[@alexn.2901]

Thank God I'm not white.

[@eyeoftheliar7513]

Too late they got everyone DNA by now

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

lol

[@viciousfeline438]

Yikes . Pays to do ya homework eh . Thank you !

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

And when you do your homework you find that these conspiracy theories about "privacy" are way overblown out of proportion.

[@elijahpotter180]

Why do I care?

[@honeysplaylists]

this is crazy omg

[@apgeneticgenealogylover6601]

especially the music she played in the video to add to the hysteria and misinformation she's trying to spread about genealogy tests.

[@AryanKumar-in3pk]

Your video got copied by Verge/Vox

[@Coocooforcocopopsz]

Meh, I don't take issue with solving cold cases in this way

[@kawaii_hawaii222]

Say hello to corona mass testing …

[@ianjuarez7335]

Sarah Zhang boooooooo

[@liannewouds07]

She's talking about arresting criminals as if it's a bad thing... lol this is very dramatic.

[@lifetops6569]

do u people honestly think its ok to live in a world where your data is used to persecute cousins that are living a traumatic life, where behavorial data is sold and used as a tool for control and profit. How gross and thoughtless.

[@liannewouds07]

@@lifetops6569 I was referring to murderers not petty drug crimes

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

Wouda, sweetie, the courts do not simply Target the criminals and supports the good guys. Quite the opposite.

[@liannewouds07]

@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Bless you for never calling me sweetie ever again.

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

@@liannewouds07 calm down, karen. lol.

[@JanetteGailFrancis]

DNA is only a small part of the problem. The lack of accuracy or security in Government records is of a significantly greater problem, as that's how 100% innocent people get target for political vendettas. From my experience.

[@venusrain369]

Ged match has an opt out from law enforcement

[@CableGirl35]

Love the eerie music in the background to add a little creep factor. We are more than just our DNA- wake up science- spirituality is calling you!

[@barbie19604]

What is her point? Finding criminals is a bonus. I have no problems with this use.

[@simondavies4834]

Interesting but can’t help but think her privacy argument is flawed when she’s making it on a google owned platform

[@gormauslander]

The problem is people think that "their" DNA belongs to them, which it doesn't, any more than the atmosphere, or the country, belongs to them. There are things we share, and when you mess it up, it hurts others

[@Angell_Lee]

To be honest, I don't care

[@FunkMasterRio]

Yep looks all american