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Hardcore Music Studio

Hardcore Music Studio

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@MapleChickenX51
@MapleChickenX51 2 жыл бұрын
I watched a video called “the magic is in the mids”. I’ve used the technique of putting pass filters from 200 hz to 4K and just mix everything with the filters active. It’s amazing just how amazing everything sounds afterwards. The extreme lows and highs don’t have a chance to bestow their lies to my ears.
@tvtime1505
@tvtime1505 2 жыл бұрын
Did Colt also use 200 hz to 4k in his video?
@sweetfoampunishment3286
@sweetfoampunishment3286 2 жыл бұрын
I do the same on my mastertrack. Add a mono switch! It's THE game changer for your mix balance!!
@boobo3763
@boobo3763 2 жыл бұрын
@@sweetfoampunishment3286 Are you just saying that you reference in mono here, or...?
@boobo3763
@boobo3763 2 жыл бұрын
No kidding -So, you're saying you could just put the high pass and low pass on any old speaker instead of buying NS10's?? By "amazing how amazing things sound afterwards" are you talking about how things translate or how things sound once you take the filters off? Thanks.
@danmenez
@danmenez 2 жыл бұрын
I started doing the exact same thing and my mixes are 1000x times better! But I have no idea the reason why!
@dirteater5237
@dirteater5237 2 жыл бұрын
I started mixing on NS-10's in 1986 and moved on from them to Genelecs for a few decades ...I decided to quit swimming against the tide and jump "in the box" in 2020; (selling my board, monitors and most of my studio gear)... during that process; Jordan's videos inspired me to go back to NS-10's and streamline my plugins ...there is wisdom in his ability to cut through all the "hype" and give folks intelligent advice.... If you develop your ear on NS-10s, (or CLA's Avatones) , you will save yourself a lot of time learning to translate a mix...
@Not123Or
@Not123Or 7 ай бұрын
I agree, personally i'd highly recommend getting the NS-10m STUDIO version, not the non-studio version.
@Kevinbabbmusic
@Kevinbabbmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Mike Senior with SOS talked in depth about the waterfall plot of the NS10s. The way the certain frequencies dont hang around and cloud the spectrum is truly awesome how Yamaha got there!
@huberttorzewski
@huberttorzewski Жыл бұрын
It's closed box instead of bass reflex that's why it has a quicker decay in the lows
@dezleegraham
@dezleegraham 2 жыл бұрын
What do you have your VTPC knobs set to?
@JimRobinson-colors
@JimRobinson-colors Жыл бұрын
My NS10m from the eighties we not only tissue papered the tweeters - they also were wired with a fuse. After paying for new tweeters a few times - the fuse saved us from then on. You pump too much in and the fuse would blow - 15 cents for a fuse, or a couple hundred dollars for new tweeters - Which of course were easy to find back then. Local Yamaha repair had them in stock all the time. I imagine that would be harder to find now. I absolutely agree with the mid analogy. We used to have the client speakers ( Big Tannoys ) that had that huge sound to them to impress clients. But the mixing was always done on the NS10s.
@---pp7tq
@---pp7tq 6 ай бұрын
Tissue papered introducing comb filtering too 😅
@akocip2
@akocip2 2 жыл бұрын
Back in 1990 I have also started with pair of a brand new NS-10M speakers and an Yamaha A-100 amplifier. They sounded very harsh so I sold them after five years of using them. Niether of my mix sounded good. To much bass, or very midrange sounding tracks. They lied to me, so I could not figure out what was wrong in my mix. So I do some research and find out that are other professional monitors that fit my expectation. I have better results with Dynadio and one Auratone speakers. I am glad to hear that you are pleased with them. Keep on!
@keithlawcomedy
@keithlawcomedy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for finally explaining why these are in every studio yet,when I ask the engineers to let me hear a mix through them, they were always less than enthusiastic, even refusing to do it
@stevedoesnt
@stevedoesnt Жыл бұрын
Super great for making sure bass guitar can be heard on systems without a low end.
@kvmoore1
@kvmoore1 8 ай бұрын
I've had my CLA-10As (active monitors) for a couple of years now and so far, everything I've played in a car that was mixed on these speakers sounded surprisingly good!!! I'm very impressed with how well the mixes translated. I can't say the same for my old M-Audio BX-8s. I've struggled with those to get mixes to translate because they scoop the midrange frequencies. Those speakers gave me a deceiving perception that my mixes sounded good. However, when I took the mixes and played them on a club PA, or even some car systems, the vocals and sometimes the bass sounded very muddy, which took me back to square one....trial and error re-tweaking. With that said, I feel much more confident in my midrange when mixing on the CLA-10A's along with my Yamaha MSP3's (as a second set of monitors) and a couple of subs (to check the sub bass and lowend). I'm actually planning on selling the BX-8s.
@teardownthesun
@teardownthesun Жыл бұрын
How do you set the VTPC to mimic your original ns10’s?
@MrNickDrummer
@MrNickDrummer Жыл бұрын
Just got a pair of 1990's NS-10MX from Japan. They are awesome. Contrary to what is said they don't sound like crap, they sound REAL.
@StarWarsinMinuten
@StarWarsinMinuten 3 ай бұрын
I have a question, do you mix a full mix on the CLA 10? Is it also possible to mix 100% of the music on the similar-sounding Auratone 5c?
@JoernConrad
@JoernConrad Жыл бұрын
Well, you hit the nail perfectly. I was mixing some years with Neumann KH310 and a KH750. An they sound great! But I completely lost the focus to the midrange and my mixes gone bad. Since I got the CLA and only change to the Neumanns for a short time to control the low end everything changed. My mixes got a lot more transparency and the low end is in nerly perfekt balanced. Great!!! I often read from people who think, the NS10/CLA are to old for modern music because they can't face all frequencies or whatever. About this I have to smile a little and think, "ok, they just need some years..." 😊. Ok, you need a secound pare of monitor for full range listening, but when you make music in a serious way, you have to do some investment. That's for sure. I can't say enough about the need of a pare of NS10 in a studio. And I make music since 30 years! But I have one question. You saied you matched the high end of the CLA with the CLA... Which is the right position of the VTP? At the moment I use IT at about 11 o clock. Thanks in forward
@FvtvreClvb
@FvtvreClvb 9 ай бұрын
I'm considering getting some Neumann KH 80 as an upgrade from my Focal Alpha 65's. The Neumanns seem to be the best in the price range, especially with the mic and room correction. My room is treated but far from perfect and I figured the Neumanns would give me exactly what I'm looking for in mix translation. However, the CLA-10's are tempting as well. I'm a bit tempted because I hear how well mixes translate on them, however, I will still have the problems with my room that the Neumann's can help with. Did you use the room correction with your Neumann's? What are your thoughts on this? I can get the Neumanns with the mic and room correction for the same price as active CLA-10's.
@---pp7tq
@---pp7tq 6 ай бұрын
​@@FvtvreClvbroom correction doesn't completely solve the problems with the room acoustics. It only alleviates them to some extent. The key is to have the best adaptation in the first place.
@johnsuggs7828
@johnsuggs7828 Жыл бұрын
These and the old Alesis Monitor Ones MK2 are the best for mixing and engineering sound. They're flat speakers. They don't color or alter the lows or highs and keeps the mids even as the sound comes in. That means what you hear from them is what you get. And with an accurate representation of the sound, you can mix much more accurately.
@zeepster
@zeepster Жыл бұрын
Nice in-depth review. Out of interest, what did you end up setting the Tissue Paper control to on the CLA-10's?
@bloozerd
@bloozerd Жыл бұрын
Love my NS-10M's...You're right, it took time to get used to them and trust them as well as integrate them into my workflow...!...But now, they're here to stay...!...Like JJP says..."The magic is in the midrange"...!!!
@JulianIliev
@JulianIliev 2 жыл бұрын
Still in love with my HS5's. Perfect for my room-space and what's more - I got used to listening to music with those - not for mixing but just for fun. And I'm pretty happy. Maybe when the time comes to try new ones, I'll try those you're recommending here. Nice video, though.
@lydfar2392
@lydfar2392 2 жыл бұрын
HS-5's are WAY closer to the NS-10's frequency range, than any of the other speakers in the Yamaha series. You can find grafts and measurements online. 😊
@allwayzactive4599
@allwayzactive4599 2 ай бұрын
Yh but they don't sound anything alike
@kinikimusic1759
@kinikimusic1759 5 ай бұрын
These are still valid in today's world for mixing. Your translation will be cleaner and more balanced. I use a second pair of monitors for mastering which helps me check the low end information and super highs, but that is for the last 5-10%!
@leonardojobst6784
@leonardojobst6784 2 жыл бұрын
i use slate VSX since come out...the emulation of NRG studios near field which are the ns10 are fantastic and my mixes translate 95% perfectly in every place... i think is the most amazing tool in my studio... never use again my real yahama for mixing since vsx come out! REALLY AMAZING!
@scotteepunk
@scotteepunk 2 жыл бұрын
I just got my Slate VSX headphones and they are amazing.
@OfFormerFame
@OfFormerFame 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely done my best mixes with VSX.
@svarogstudio
@svarogstudio 2 жыл бұрын
That's really compelling, I've been having my eye on those for some time now.
@MattGoings
@MattGoings 2 жыл бұрын
I also exclusively mix on VSX now. I can mix absolutely anywhere too and that’s awesome.
@PaulEubanks
@PaulEubanks 2 жыл бұрын
Similarly I’ve used the Waves CLA NX mix room plugin. It has NS10s, his custom Ocean Way built-ins, and a shitty Sony boombox for referencing. It’s a MONSTER CPU HOG, but it’s good for a quick reference to fix mix issues early on.
@swgitsyo1210
@swgitsyo1210 7 ай бұрын
Hi Jordan from Italy ! What setting did you used on the VTPC to match your NS10 ? :)
@vigilant545
@vigilant545 2 жыл бұрын
Aren't the NS 10 designed with the Fletcher Munson curve flipped? So you mix the mids right. I've found a page on the net of a guy who found this out.
@kennethvalbjoern
@kennethvalbjoern Жыл бұрын
The tissue paper control on the CLA-10 mimicks producer/mixer Bob Clearmountain's handling of the bright highend of the NS10's. He simply put paper in front of the treble speaker in order to lower the highend.
@Dennis53D
@Dennis53D 2 жыл бұрын
I have the NS 144 with the tweeter control. Love them.
@davidhayman9330
@davidhayman9330 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jordan, as always, very helpful...reminded me of a Colt Capperune vid called 'Magic Is In The Midrange'...confirmation!
@edwardkenemorales
@edwardkenemorales 2 жыл бұрын
CLA is a magician - his Signature plugins, waves 1176 and now this pair!
@BOODA575
@BOODA575 Жыл бұрын
would love an update on how they are treating you
@conradnel6151
@conradnel6151 2 жыл бұрын
I recently got the Eris 3.5's I was using Hifi speakers( it's all I had) but after getting the nearfield monitors my mixes got so much better.
@boobo3763
@boobo3763 2 жыл бұрын
i've been thinking about getting the Eris 3's...
@mikepicciano4942
@mikepicciano4942 2 жыл бұрын
30 years ago when I started engineering I was lucky and got my hands of a paid of used NS10s. The original ones. The trick with those was to put a tissue paper on the tweeters to remove the harsh hi freq. Soon after I got the NS10Ms which till this day I still have and mix on. I do have a sub that I added and keep it low volume just to have a little low end reference. But Jordan has a great point, these speakers force you to tune into the mix and listen to what you need to eq, etc. However, If you learn your speakers, your mix should sound just as good.
@TheLithGH
@TheLithGH Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lesson on the importance of mid-range frequencies!
@Glenn.Cooper
@Glenn.Cooper Жыл бұрын
The first time I've every understood what these speakers are about - thanks!!
@GreenFrogProductions
@GreenFrogProductions 2 жыл бұрын
I've had my NS-10M Studio monitors since 1997. Can't mix on anything else. 🤟😊 They are hyped between 1kHz - 5 kHz, but it's the super fast transient respone that brings the magic. Also because of the limited frequancy response they have great time-domain response and low distortion. I've just had to buy a matched pair of tweeters to keep mine going. (one decided to pack up) Definitely worth every penny. If you're mixing in a small room, or have your speakers close to a wall, it's probably best to use sealed speakers like the NS10, (or a modern-day equivalent) because ported speakers, especially rear ported, don't work so well. Happy mixing! 🤘🤘
@RavenousMonsterVids
@RavenousMonsterVids 2 жыл бұрын
You nailed it! Transient response and time-domain response are fundamentally why these have been so successfully used to mix with for so many years.
@hardcoremusicstudio
@hardcoremusicstudio 2 жыл бұрын
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@kittjohn0812
@kittjohn0812 Жыл бұрын
What position on the VTPC knob have you found is best to turn it to for the most similar response as the ns-10?
@Rob.anonymous
@Rob.anonymous Жыл бұрын
@HardcoreMusicStudio Thank you for the video. I also struggling a longer time to get the LA10 but I’m not quite sure it isn’t better to buy a pair and the amp and not the 10A Version because ns10 wasn’t passive at all. Any thoughts about this ?
@burrellbrothersentertainme2281
@burrellbrothersentertainme2281 2 жыл бұрын
That’s why I love 4” speakers to mix on… then check the Vibe (his and Lows/subs) on some mains (2.1 system)
@MicksMetaMassage
@MicksMetaMassage Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, much appreciated. Is there a recommended amp to power the passive version of the CLA-10?
@vivaldi1954
@vivaldi1954 6 ай бұрын
good advice, straight ahead, no excess just good info. thank you
@stupendousmusic4190
@stupendousmusic4190 Жыл бұрын
I've compared both side-by-side, and found them to be interchangeable as well. 👍🏻
@Not123Or
@Not123Or 7 ай бұрын
Which ones, NS-10m or NS-10m STUDIO against CLA-10? There is quite a difference between STUDIO vs. non-STUDIO NS-10's.
@PHELCAN
@PHELCAN 2 жыл бұрын
I mix with a pair NS10 and KRKG4. One for setting the midrange stuff set right, then go to the krk, hear all the little details the NS10's might have missed. As far as getting the vocal and snare to sit right the NS10's are invaluable.
@DavidDavis-FA-photog
@DavidDavis-FA-photog Жыл бұрын
Man this was very enlightening for me as I have an old Pair of Fostex PA-1s that are like brand new because they were in storage for long. I've often thought they sounded like sh**. They range from 50Hz t0 20,000Hz and I'm realizing now they are probably exactly what I need as the old Yamaha NS-10s ranged 60Hz to 20,000Hz. I know the CLAs range from 60Hz to 20,000Hz as well. Thanks again!!!
@charliekey2979
@charliekey2979 2 ай бұрын
It works at some degree, I tried that trick and compared it with the CLA-10. However, even with the filters on the speakers or headphones, they have a different frequency response, and it does not sound the same. That's the reason why Colt has the CLA-10's and the Auratones.
@FabsterClapster
@FabsterClapster 10 ай бұрын
Hey, great Video! I'm new to mixing and bought after long observation the HS7's because I thought of them kind of a successor to the NS10's. I hate and love them, because they're so loud in the midrange and are not pleasant to listen to. I first had the HS5 and KRK G4 in comparison. And it's true. I made better mixes on the HS5's, why I bought the HS7's. And I slowly get into the HS7 and they translate my mixes very well as I find, because I experienced the same what you've just shared. I also was thinking about gettin the HS8s, because it's said they're more pleasant to listen to and produce better bass. But after seeing your video now, I think that option is out. Now Im curious about those Avantones. How would you say are they different from the HS7s? Thanks
@josiahscottquinn
@josiahscottquinn Жыл бұрын
@Hardcore Music Studio where did you end up putting the stepped knob for VTPC? I’m considering getting CLA10As and wanted to get a good setting since I don’t have NS10s to A/B with, thanks!
@elonthebass6870
@elonthebass6870 2 жыл бұрын
What setting did you finally have the “tissue paper” control at on the cla-10’s? On mine they’re currently maxed out. Gives me every detail from 2k up. But it’s hard to imagine the original ns-10’s sound like this lol.
@nine27
@nine27 2 жыл бұрын
I also own the cla10a’s and reached out to avantone and this is the message they sent me in regards to the VTPC settings: There is actually no standard levels for vintage ns10s as they have aged to vary by about +/- =2dB in tweeter level over time which means you can have 2 units over time that are as much as 4dB different. That being said 3 o clock is roughly an average horizontal unit and at full is roughly a vertical unit
@elonthebass6870
@elonthebass6870 2 жыл бұрын
@@nine27 Thank you!
@nine27
@nine27 2 жыл бұрын
@@elonthebass6870 bet
@vincentemerald2574
@vincentemerald2574 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Jordan! Makes sense low mids is one of the main focus points the hardest to get right.
@MetalTalk666
@MetalTalk666 Жыл бұрын
I bought a pair. They just arrived today. I'm excited!
@PaulLMF
@PaulLMF Жыл бұрын
Think you nailed it. Just get NS-10's. They work
@L.Lyubomirov
@L.Lyubomirov Жыл бұрын
Should i buy Auratone 5c reissue...or Cla 10 ??Heard very very good thing about the Auratones also,that they translate super good ?!
@louisjohnsonsmith
@louisjohnsonsmith Жыл бұрын
Hi Jordan pretty nice and good video ! Can I ask you what setting exactly did you ended up using on the VTPC to match the NS10 ??
@ringomaharaj1268
@ringomaharaj1268 2 жыл бұрын
Great advice but what's your opinion on the "mud" frequencies, do you cut and if so how much???
@LucienBill
@LucienBill 10 ай бұрын
I've recently and randomly discovered your channel, and you give some awesome mixing tips! Thanks! So many things I wish I knew back when I was producing my own stuff 🤣 Anyway: I toyed with some rock multitrack I found online for about one and a half hour (so definitely not a complete mixing session) and yeah, I feel that I'm getting where I want to go! No magic, and it's quite fast. I haven't got any proper monitors, but cutting the extreme low and highs helps a lot.
@Arkemist
@Arkemist Жыл бұрын
That’s really not just about the ns 10 or cla 10 it’s about why you need a good a monitor and those informations are so so accurate 🎉 he explained exactly all what you should know about monitors in a home studio
@KingStudiosCollective
@KingStudiosCollective Жыл бұрын
Where did you end up leaving the that tissue knob on the back of the speaker ?
@GudlaugurMusic
@GudlaugurMusic Жыл бұрын
I have a pair of HS7's. I've only ever mixed at home so I've nothing to compare them to. My room is tiny though, less than 10ft x 10 ft.
@---pp7tq
@---pp7tq 6 ай бұрын
Spectre Studios made a video of the same song mixed on HS7, LP-6 and KRK Rookit 6 and the mix made on HS7 was the best. Though, not necessarily the best translation for mono and phone speakers in that case
@RonnieVaiArovo
@RonnieVaiArovo 2 жыл бұрын
Really good review. Thanks but I'll stick to my Presonus Eris E8 because I am happy with my high mix quality & translation 👍
@impolitikful
@impolitikful Жыл бұрын
The question is who’s mixes sounds better
@umworkshops4480
@umworkshops4480 Жыл бұрын
I Love the NS 10 over 20 years, only speakers you need if you know what you are doing.
@studiodude1
@studiodude1 2 жыл бұрын
I still use my NS10M Studios that I bought brand new back in the day.
@oliverqueen3434
@oliverqueen3434 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see your opinion about avantone mixcubes, because you have experience with ns10s...
@itsyoshman
@itsyoshman 2 жыл бұрын
Jordan.. get back with me when your 50 and still using NS 10’s for 15 to 20 years.. let me know how your ears feel. 😎.. although you make a good argument for midrange.. a mixer should be able to determine a good balance on whatever speaker they are comfortable with. It’s all about what material you are referencing on the monitors you choose.
@BAwesomeDesign
@BAwesomeDesign 2 жыл бұрын
I find my Genelec M030s are very comparable to NS10s in terms of frequency response. What you say about midrange shouldn't be a huge revelation to me, but it's becoming one. Over the last several days, I've removed some of the "surgical cuts" i've done just out of habit on bass, guitars, and vocals... and suddenly my mixes are translating. So maybe I don't even need to go for the CLA 10s since my M030s are pretty much in the same ballpark. Thank you for giving me something to think about. Like you, I also use headphones to check low end. Because my room is so small, i can't really crank the M030s too much so i have to keep them in a tight triangle so that I can hear the detail. It "shrinks" the image, but I can hear the entire stereo field. Honestly, if I didn't feel like I was turning a major corner here in the best way, I'd probably look into your Pro Mixing course... because I didn't know where else to turn. I have 202 .ptx Pro Tools session files (!!) of a song i've been trying to finish mixing for 2 months. Finally... another video of yours (and one by Warren Huart) got me thinking the right way about midrange. This video seems like a re-enforcement of that idea. Thanks again.
@szunabass
@szunabass Жыл бұрын
Surgical cuts on a bass?? I've met many bass tracks that rather needed boosts than cuts, and the perfect basses just needed leaving them flat.... Well, sometimes have to be darken, cutting presence, trebles but very rare occasions (piezo f.e.)
@paiaaa
@paiaaa 5 ай бұрын
Why not put a low cut and high cut on the master while mixing? wouldn't that be the equivalent of these speakers?
@Strepite
@Strepite Ай бұрын
You are missing their transient response, soundstage etc…
@bluematrix5001
@bluematrix5001 2 жыл бұрын
Yor oints are valid, but why not make a preset with a HPF and LPF and apply it to your other speakers?
@parkridgerecordingcompany
@parkridgerecordingcompany Жыл бұрын
I’m curious what your VPTC setting was? I have mine halfway at the moment.
@pablodagnino
@pablodagnino Жыл бұрын
Ty x this honest approach to the real meanings of a good mix using those monitors.❤
@barrymason7142
@barrymason7142 2 жыл бұрын
Years ago we got a pair and hated them! But then quite a few years later we understood exactly what you are saying now! That it,s the Mid Range Detail that they are good for and that is why they are so widely used!
@romanx3267
@romanx3267 Жыл бұрын
What power amp are you using?
@stevemcclintic1581
@stevemcclintic1581 2 жыл бұрын
Yep! i used to hate NS10s! was always having translation issues when using my Focals solo6. Now with both pairs, way less surprising when i reference elsewhere. I tried the Avantone and they did not fly with me, they didn’t sound new but cheap in the hi end. so i took them back and brought a used pair of NS10M. 🙌🏻
@Not123Or
@Not123Or 7 ай бұрын
Which NS10's? STUDIO or non-STUDIO? I absolutely hate the non-STUDIO version, but i love the STUDIO version.
@stevemcclintic
@stevemcclintic 7 ай бұрын
ns10m
@---pp7tq
@---pp7tq 6 ай бұрын
So the Studio version with less harsh tweeters
@SocialVandetta
@SocialVandetta 2 жыл бұрын
NS10 guy. took me awhile to learn but now i dont even need to reference other speakers. The only thing about them is they do fatigue your ears but long listening on any system will do that.
@norakat
@norakat 6 ай бұрын
Its mind-blowing: to see all these monster studios with million dollar equipment, and all this outboard gear, only to mix it on some NS 10's.
@ZachWish
@ZachWish 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the review! Really enjoy your videos. I've been eyeing these for a while. Curious, do you have a sub in your setup as well or do you check the sub 100hz on headphones or something like that, or maybe don't feel the need? Thanks again!
@hardcoremusicstudio
@hardcoremusicstudio 2 жыл бұрын
No sub - yes i check sub lows on headphones
@bontempo1271
@bontempo1271 2 жыл бұрын
​@@hardcoremusicstudio Interesting, may i ask what genres you mix ? How are you finding the low end translation when using headphones for the low end ? Thanks :)
@jeetmix1986
@jeetmix1986 8 ай бұрын
Please make a detailed video on Avanton Gauss 7 with sound comparison..... Thank you🙏
@daves3273
@daves3273 Жыл бұрын
"The Yamaha NS10 was an accidental inverse of the ISO 226 equal-loudness contours curves and the Fletcher Munson curves" --from the web
@ReformedWhiteKnight
@ReformedWhiteKnight 10 ай бұрын
What does this mean exactly? Thanks
@craigshewchuk9018
@craigshewchuk9018 2 жыл бұрын
I like this video because you put in a good idea with how to achieve it, and also gave some equipment you can use to achieve it, also seems like you found some you like that helped you make it easier and gave you the idea for the video. Good experience, thanks for sharing with us
@tractorgt
@tractorgt 10 ай бұрын
Interesting, I've had ns10m's for about 25 years and never saw the model you have here with the logo upright and the tiny ports. Now that I'm looking , it seems to be the popular model. Curious as to if they sound different than the sideways ones. I've always run an EQ and a sub with them.
@GoldnhourMusic
@GoldnhourMusic 9 ай бұрын
Great video! One question: what amp do you recommend to use with the CLA/NS ?
@peppercrybeatz
@peppercrybeatz Жыл бұрын
you also get way more reflections in the highs and lows
@SteveHolmesDrums
@SteveHolmesDrums 2 жыл бұрын
Informative video - thanks! You're well spoken and very listenable - a rarity for YT in my experience.
@Loagz_Beatz
@Loagz_Beatz Жыл бұрын
Extremely informative and refreshing. Thank you for this video.
@Orvulum
@Orvulum 2 ай бұрын
Used to have some of those. No thanks. Instead of using inaccurate monitors to trick you into getting good mixes, train your ear-mind to get good mixes on good speakers. Also, you could do the same thing by simply using an EQ contour on the Master bus to emphasize the mid range.
@tnossis5829
@tnossis5829 Жыл бұрын
avantone is gaining a phenomenal reputation...
@rickydee2152
@rickydee2152 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jordan, good video, I’ve been using my NS10M’s since the 90’s. I’m curious to know if you set up your CLA’s using Sonarworks Reference ID and I was wondering what you use for monitoring when you are tracking? Cheers, Ricky
@max8591
@max8591 2 жыл бұрын
The Sound of Hits
@DanBires
@DanBires Жыл бұрын
the best monitors to mix on for midrange is auratones. Those ones in particular.
@StarWarsinMinuten
@StarWarsinMinuten 10 ай бұрын
Have you calibrated the CLA 10 with sonaworks?
@bobbydolan
@bobbydolan 28 күн бұрын
Did you get an answer to this question? Did you set up sonar works on your CLA 10s?
@bobbydolan
@bobbydolan 28 күн бұрын
What about setting up Sonar works Reference IDs with the Cla10s? Any advice?
@panosskentzos
@panosskentzos 3 ай бұрын
You're absolutely right, though to me there is a much better, much cheaper and much more pleasant alternative; the Sennheiser HD 650 headphones. Not much subs, not much high highs, but an extremely true frequency range from 100Hz to 10kHz (people claim there is a bump at 2k but actually it's pretty minimal and wide, nothing compared to NS10s) + very radical, yet truthful stereo imaging. These are the first headphones I felt comfortable with my mixing choices when I checked them on my speakers and actually there was almost no learning curve, I could work with them well since day 1, also best translating mixes I ever had and with quite dense material. Nowadays I do most of my mixing process with them and then use my speakers mostly for high and low end control. NS10s are a reminder that you can mix hit records even with bad, consumer-grade bookshelf speakers (because that's what they were actually made as/for), it doesn't mean that you have to buy these specific speakers, especially when they are not priced as bad, consumer-grade bookshelf speakers anymore. Personal opinion.
@michalgil4151
@michalgil4151 2 жыл бұрын
The ns 10s don't have a bass port. That's why they have more accurate bass response. Most monitors have bass extended through a resonance port.
@michalgil4151
@michalgil4151 2 жыл бұрын
To update on this. I bought the cla 10sA after your review and really love them. I use to use ns10 in the studio I worked in but never had them my self. So the Focal Twins I did mixes on are just for listening back.
@ReformedWhiteKnight
@ReformedWhiteKnight 10 ай бұрын
@@michalgil4151which Focal Twins exactly?
@joiglans
@joiglans Жыл бұрын
You mentioned alot that the juice is made in the midrange, and therefore one could kinda „ignore the high and low frequencies“. But are you really „ignoring“ these frequencies or do you still apply processing on highs and lows?
@agondistortion
@agondistortion Ай бұрын
What's the thing you disliked about hs series having mixed on both to me they have the characteristics of ns10 even though they do not sound like ns10 just curious.
@ripley4726
@ripley4726 2 ай бұрын
can you answer a question for me please.. the yamaha hs5 are quite mid heavy.. yes you hear the details but if you mix the midrange on them arn't you hearing a false midrange through the speakers because they are hyped.. if your mix lacks midrange, wont a mid heavy monitor make that mix sound better even without eq etc.. its been bothering me this one :) Thanks
@Silvabulletproduction8337
@Silvabulletproduction8337 9 ай бұрын
That’s it ….I might have to go buy a pair,I’m convinced 🤘🤘
@Json-mo6ny
@Json-mo6ny Жыл бұрын
Are these monitors only for mixing? Or are they good all around studio monitors like for tracking and mixing?? I’m thinking of getting a pair
@thevisi0naryy
@thevisi0naryy 2 жыл бұрын
What are the advantages of these vs Auratone 5c Mixcubes?
@hdaniels666
@hdaniels666 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm about to buy these speakers myself, are you using a sub with the speakers?
@brentbusby74
@brentbusby74 Жыл бұрын
Speaking for myself, I've got an Eve sub with these speakers and I completely love them. I've used JBL, Genelec, Eve, etc over the years in professional post production. A pair of CLA-10s with a sub is fantastic.
@garryhicks3158
@garryhicks3158 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the knowledge! Do you think you could go over recording clean and low gain guitars? Thanks.
@thomaswithdollars
@thomaswithdollars 5 ай бұрын
What's your settings for the vtpc on the cla10a ?
@MortenAndersen-hjemmesider
@MortenAndersen-hjemmesider 2 жыл бұрын
I have a pair of Avantone Mixcubes, could you mix let's say 90% of the time on them. And then just check low and high end on headphones or other monitors?
@Not123Or
@Not123Or 7 ай бұрын
You can get the originals for less than the clone. - Nobrainer. Make sure to get the NS10M STUDIO version, not the non-STUDIO
@grandmandem8409
@grandmandem8409 7 ай бұрын
What type of amplifier should I use with NS10s? That ain’t to expensive
@Tayloraltory
@Tayloraltory 2 жыл бұрын
The passive Cla-10’s with their amp is way louder than their actives.
@themodernworldband
@themodernworldband 2 жыл бұрын
So, question… what’s the difference between getting some ns10s and putting a filter on your mixbus as you mix? The first studio I rented had NS10s. I sometimes miss them now so I often do the NS10 “trick” to focus on the midrange. Am I missing out on the magic of those crappy speaker cones, no joke here, or can you get by with filtering. Thanks for the vid! Exciting stuff.
@kylerferrill8252
@kylerferrill8252 2 жыл бұрын
Something to do with low frequency decay on ns10s. I don’t really understand how it works but there’s a soundonsound article about the monitors with graphs and charts if you’re curious. I have cla 10s as well as some presonus eris 5s with low shelf filters you can engage, but it isn’t anything thing close to the clas.
@kylerferrill8252
@kylerferrill8252 2 жыл бұрын
Something to do with low frequency decay on ns10s. I don’t really understand how it works but there’s a soundonsound article about the monitors with graphs and charts if you’re curious. I have cla 10s as well as some presonus eris 5s with low shelf filters you can engage, but it isn’t anything thing close to the clas.
@knockoutput
@knockoutput 2 жыл бұрын
@@kylerferrill8252 not far from the truth actually! The closed box design and stiff woofer makes the low frequency decay faster on ns10s... which means your messy room won't interfere much in the listening experience. You might filter some of the frequencies out, but the lower ones remaining will always decay slower on any other speaker than an ns10. Check that sos article, the waterfall graph speaks by itself! ( dt7v1i9vyp3mf.cloudfront.net/assetlibrary/n/ns10m.pdf )
@huberttorzewski
@huberttorzewski 2 жыл бұрын
For me the Auratones are best for checking the midrange because they don't have a tweeter and they're closed-box + that midrange is sounding very detailed so you can easily hear what needs to be fixed.
@PaulEubanks
@PaulEubanks 2 жыл бұрын
You can get the same effect with a band pass filter on the mix bus. The faster low frequency decay of NS10s helps for shitty rooms, but you can just reference with a good pair of headphones quickly if you wanna take the room out of the equation. And really you should treat your room! There’s nothing special about NS10s and you certainly don’t need them to make good mixes.
@psycholarge
@psycholarge 8 ай бұрын
I have the NS10 and I want a backup pair just in case.
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