You Should Try Different Fighting Games, You Might Like Them

streamed Aug. 22, 2019
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[@maziio646]

I usually try everything i can , that way. i can be trash or bronze in everything at the same time

[@rabbidscool]

Not in smash, because everyone can be an elite

[@Kool212]

@@rabbidscool If you can play a match better than 20 fps.

[@carrion-fairy]

Same lol, I buy any fighting game I can whenever it goes on sale

[@spapbp]

@@rabbidscool smash is hard bro

[@SMegasM]

I am in this comment and I don't like it That's me with pretty much any multiplayer game.

[@orpheos9]

The one true lesson from this video is... you need to bring back the Recipe.

[@jinxhand]

Super facts!!!

[@sevenmile24]

Indeed

[@atcera8714]

The recipe being Mike Ross?

[@raggaeldestro]

Yeah I thought the Recipe was gonna be a thing.

[@raphaeladuamah9216]

As a smash player, I decided to try out third strike on fightcade and when I went back to smash I had a brand new way of looking at the neutral

[@2000Doriyas]

Yeah man, even playing opposite character types within the same game can effectively change your thinking and habits let alone different games entirely. It’s akin to unlocking additional pathways for you to perceive how other players perceive you and what good decision-making is at a basic level for any game.

[@kaleidoslug7777]

I pretty much only played smash, until I decided to give Guilty Gear a try and now I physically cannot put it down

[@raphaeldesmond4736]

i guess Im randomly asking but does any of you know of a way to log back into an Instagram account..? I was dumb forgot my password. I love any assistance you can offer me!

[@cameronjesus8411]

@Raphael Desmond Instablaster =)

[@frostcrm]

But when is Sajam going to reverse 43-1 that hilda player

[@turbogeschwindigkeit6180]

When he learns how to shield, the bane of all Hilda players.

[@kinginthenorth1437]

No way! We should all play Street Fighter II Turbo Edition till the end of time and not look at any of these other new fangled games.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

This already happens within the Sf community but it's with the "3s elitists" subgroup. There is a portion of St elitists too, sure, but their elitism is not close to the 3s elitists.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

In a broader look, not by title but by franchise or company, we could say the american fgc is notably elitist with Capcom games. This reminds me of that ridiculous narrative pushed by old people like J Chen, naming "dark ages" the early to mid 2000s period when Capcom basically stopped their fg production. For fg fans stuck on Capcom who willingly alienated themselves from everything non Capcom, ok, it might really have looked like the "death of fg's"... but in fact simply their fg universe was extremely limited. The 2000s werent a "death" time for nobody else (companies), not even for the 2d genre as a whole, actually it was flourishing for GG and practically the whole anime fg subgenre - boosted by GG's success. The most popular KoF of all times was released in the 2000s, and Snk, returning from bankrupcy, released a good number of titles in that decade. Yeah, their tools on hand (active franchises) may have been limited, but new games were made anyway. And it was especially flourishing for 3d fg's.

[@yikes6758]

@@carlosaugusto9821 almost like super turbo boomers get everything they want in every new game and nearly the entire super turbo cast is always included in new games while third strike gets such little representation in new games and deserves more

[@chrisdivodi9291]

Either that or Melee lol

[@Jadedx_]

Instead of me pointing out the obvious flaws and broken mechanics of old SF games like Turbo, SFA, and 3S that these elitist love to pretend dont exist. I've found that it's usually because theyre terrible at adapting to new fighting games. Even guys like Daigo & Sako talk about that a lot of good OG SF players arent good at new fighting games bc the old games catered to an agressive play style. Where as in SFIV amd V these OG players werent able to adapt bc you cant win a tournaments anymore with just a super agressive play style. They argue that theres a cadence between agressive and slow play now that is required to be a top player. I'd def agree with it and its why so many OG players fell off the map during SFIV

[@Forlo12]

this is why i follow you Sajam. youre so good at keeping everything grounded. so often people boil the FGC down to the top players and the highest level of play for “their game(s)”, but you always remind people that loving fighting games is more than just always playing at the highest levels. it’s about learning and appreciating the different ways a fighting game can be designed and interpreted. its about all of the different ways the games can be played and enjoyed. and ALWAYS its about learning and having fun doing it. thank you for pushing that point and continuing to chariot this underrepresented and underrated part of the FGC.

[@DDazzle1]

Thanks to SFV's shit netcode, I decided to take a break from it and try other fighting games. Now I'm bad at SFV, Injustice 2, BlazBlue and DBfZ. Thanks again, Capcom.

[@ThorAxiun]

Can someone link me the Mike Ross clip of him seeing the tekken 7 move list? lol it sounds hilarious

[@luxerhusku2609]

Ben Morris Here it is: m.twitch.tv/clip/SleepyCourageousHabaneroStrawBeary?

[@JameboHayabusa]

Unless I legitimately wanted to go pro, i couldn't imagine not giving multiple fighting games a chance.

[@2000Doriyas]

Right? So few people put in the effort consistently enough even in one game, especially if you have friends already playing another fighting game (even one like smash that’s basically a party) it can be good to play something different and build your fundamentals / thinking skills.

[@JameboHayabusa]

@@2000Doriyas I mean fundamentals carry over into all games, theoretically. If you play a lot of different sub-genres, that have a heavier focus on different aspects of fundamentals, then you become a stronger fighter imo.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

And even on the pro viewpoint, there is some margin for being a multi-game competitor which is totally dependent on the individual. Like, there was a time J Wong and Fchamp were serious at both Sf and Mvc, with no "main" and "sub" fg. And also a time Tokido played everything... only in his case his main game was always Sf.

[@Phoenix-pb4sm]

I legitimately want to go pro, and I still do that Then again, optimistically I'm at least 4 years away from being a pro

[@davidk7439]

@@2000Doriyas I think you might have that backwards. If you really, really wanted to go pro in a fighting game, I don't think it'd be in your best interest to play other fighting games that often, since time you spend on other games with different mechanics could be spent on the game you play for money. In not being pro, it means you have the benefit of not having any pressure to win a lot, besides your scrim buddies, and your own ego.. That said, I'm not casting aside how long it takes to get good at individual fighting games, even if you're already competent with one or a few. But, if you've got people who will join you, or even just an interest in the game (and you can afford it), it's fine to drop that $20 every so often when a fighting game you have interest in goes on sale.

[@1Diddums]

Too right. I couldn't get enough of trying each 'n any new and old fighter since about 2007. Why limit the joy? Though since 2017 I haven't dabbled in much else since Tekken 7 ticked the right boxes, so I'm slacking.. Never really understood why someone would slag a game they haven't tried, other than it being just that - never tried. Cheers for The Recipe. It was godlike why it lasted.

[@TheBrunoZone]

Finding a Fighting Game that you got used to hate to be actually fun is what I like to call the SFEX3 Effect. Of course, the only cure for that kind of effect is a dose of The Recipe.

[@Giraffinator]

I like this channel

[@RKNELIAS]

Don´t be rude

[@Zlatko815]

Hey alright

[@kaioken301]

I didn't grow up playing "traditional" 2D style fighting games. If I played, it was an arena fighter. The Ninja Storm and Budokai Tenkaichi series' specifically. Tried USF4 back when it first came out and sucked at it playing against other people. Tried SFV and much of the same. Then I gave DBFZ a shot because I love the entire Dragon Ball anime series. No fun there either. Then I let a friend talk me into GGXR2 because of the in depth tutorial. Fumbled my way through the arcade mode until I got my ass beat by Ky and knew then this just wasn't my genre. I have a few friends who would actually try to teach me fighting games and "spar" with me on the regular. They're hardcore FGC guys that live online and at locals, the whole nine. I enjoy watching fighting game content. They just aren't for me. More power to those of you that hang in there though.

[@DaneMurdock]

This also feeds heavily into the "first game" problem for players. Where whatever the first game you got into was is the metric to judge all games and other game players by. I got into competitive play when SF4 hit, having only played fighting games casually, but enthusiastically since the sf2 days of my childhood. The random chance of this being my first competitive fighting game gave me an interesting perspective when I met older players. Many were happy to see a lot of what was dominant in SF2 return, many people who loved Third Strike hated 4 for not being 3, for many even the similarities from 4 to 2 were not enough and thus 4 was just a scrub game at heart. SF4 was uniquely positioned as the break in the dark age of no major fighting game releases, so a lot of players from all over the spectrum played 4 even if they hated it because it was the new thing, and there was nothing else around that was new. It brought a lot of scenes together. Then Marvel 3 hit, and we got to see an interesting schism. There was a repeat for the series veterans. 3 was not enough like 2, therefore it was a scrub game to many of the old players. For some it was a breathe of fresh air from the false choices and god tiers of MVC2, but then there was the schism for people crossing over from 4. People saw mashing light attacks to confirm as scrubby. No 1 frames link? what a scrub game. Someone was bad at SF4, but got really good at Marvel 3? clearly he was never that good of a player in 4, so the skill level of the Marvel 3 players must be trash. If real SF4 players played they would dominate that game too with little effort. I saw a few players go from moderate SF4 players, to international level players in Marvel and still they got no credit from their local peers. When really the only difference was that Marvel motivated them where SF4 did not. SF5 rolls around and now you see the whole cycle repeat. People who don't like mechanics in 5 look at 4 with intense nostalgia. I loved 4, but eventually I grew to hate it after 8 years, and it took my trying new games to realize what made me hate playing it. And that isn't to say the game is bad, its actually a great game and I still kind of love it in a lot of ways. But little things in its design wore me down. But the point is people are really bad at playing a game without putting their own biases into it. If something is scrubby in one game that doesn't mean it isn't smart in another. Every fighting game I have ever played since has had its own unique meta games, where strategies do not overlap. And when I see players who simply meet the game where it is at, that is when I think someone is a really good fighting game player, and not simply a good SF4 player, or Marvel player. But from there I think it is only natural to gravitate to the games that piss you off the least. And nowadays there is a lot of choice for competitive fighting games. But just like Sajam said, it can be incredibly hard for some players to break through and really try to learn a new game, and go back to being the new guy getting their shit kicked in.

[@fistofsage]

Well games like Tekken 6 amd Blazblue were also around during the time period between SF4 launch and MVC3 launch but people either ignored or completely downplayed those games because they weren't under the Capcom umbrella

[@swojguy]

Never forget the juggling jokes about Tekken's combos back in the day. Now everyone is playing it.

[@2000Doriyas]

Imagine knowing the taste of your own shit

[@joycehayes1454]

Swojguy You can even win without juggling as that's just a shortcut to winning and you can even prevent that by not getting launched.

[@Kenlac92]

@@joycehayes1454 exactly if you keepl getting launched then you have no idea what you're doing. You have to earn your launcher moves, if you can just do them whe ever then the other person has no clue what to do.

[@funakiexpressV2]

Joyce Hayes that was the funniest part about people complaining about juggling If you don’t wanna be in the air then try blocking the launcher haha

[@andresgv10]

ikr

[@BakaMangaka]

Touhou hisoutensoku (th12.3/SWR) For evo when

[@zethstar3475]

Hyouibana though

[@gzts9213]

But it was on Evo Japan for like...9 years? it fallen off this year idk why

[@zethstar3475]

i just joined the fgc this year so im dissapointed that i couldnt see best girl shion on the stage

[@andylawlzz]

Mike only got backlash and only tried tekken because it was tekken. Aris can shittalk soul calibur 6 for being "too complicated" and the rest of the community parrots his talking points verbatim and doesn't even try, or worse makes fun of anyone who likes/wants to get into it. Aris doesn't even dislike soul calibur 6 all that much, but it's pretty done to most of the FGC and I think it's largely due to community figures either ignoring it after 1 week or outwardly talking shit about it making most people not even try in the first place, and not necessarily on the games merit(or lack thereof) Am I just a salty soul calibur fan who can't deal with the fact the community doesn't care that much? Or am I on to something? Maybe it's just me. Tl;dr please try soul calibur 6. It's quite fun.

[@Aquarivania]

It's pretty easy to just watch... lol, just watch matches and see if you like the game. Amazingly it seems like that's an extreme minority that actually picks up a game on that aspect and would rather let people with informed opinions think for them. I watched top 8 of SCVI for EVO 2019 and that's what got me to start playing it. It's a shame that its community is so small

[@2000Doriyas]

Man I’m really glad season 2 is looking to shape things up in a better way because I like the game, but there’s too much bullshit in it at the moment to want to really dive in beyond partying with friends compared with Tekken 7 and SC2, even Soul Calibur 5 feels more fun to me at the moment due to the old physics / visuals. Hoping they keep putting more effort into Soul Calibur though it’s a beautiful franchise and the series as a whole deserves more love if one can overlook the dark horses (3 & 4)

[@ThogrimGrudgebearer]

I tried it, I think it's trash. Thing is, I had to put a lot of hours into it before arriving to the conclusion that to me the game is trash. People just bandwagon. Thing is people should try games before talking.

[@Johnny-ub6yu]

sibbie1023 aris is one of the worst influencers you can be influenced by. He says stupid shit constantly about shit he knows nothing about. Only reason to watch him is to laugh, nothing else.

[@XIVDock]

I remember how stoked I was to play SC6 during the network test before release. I played the shit out of that game for a long time after, but as much as I want to get back into it, I just can't seem to find my rhythm between other games. I think one of the primary killers for me is the community. Many people are not invested in it the way players invest in Tekken (by my own bias, they're comparable because they're both 3D and Bamco and I grew up on them). The game has more tutorial than Tekken by a bit, but by and large the approach is the same: limited in game info. The difference is that Tekken's community is so focused on competition and general game strategy that resources for frames, niche game mechanics, and strategies of the meta are easier to find. There are some for SC, but they feel much rarer and barer. I know everyone should be the change they want to see in the world, but I'm not really good enough to know how to get at the content the competitive market would need, nor have I the time to give it the effort it deserves.

[@polakuu]

I started playing SamSho because its easy to get into and fun, now I'm learning Guilty Gear... its hard but so fun and satisfying! it also looks gorgeous visually!

[@HiNi.]

I think this is true for pretty much all games in any genre. take the shooter scene for example. cs players shitting on overwatch because it doesnt have recoil, overwatch player complaining that you dont even have to track ulties in other games, quake players pointing out you dont even have to rocket jump to get around in apex you can just run and slide etc etc. Or the moba fueds. Bottomline is that people love to shit on the things that they dont play, obsessed with being part of the "best game".

[@hockey1973]

I too once thought Street Fighter was the holy grail of fighting game design and all other games were trash. Then I gave Guilty Gear a real shot and discovered I was wrong. Who'd a thunk it? Other fighting games really are pretty good :)

[@DanAdeyoju]

I played GGXrD for first time yesterday and Lord was I smiling as I got trashed. For the first time I could actually understand what I was pressing buttons and doing.

[@faceurhell]

I used to think Mortal Kombat as a competitive fighting game was trash because of my experiences with the earlier Mortal Kombat games. Then a friend got me to play Mortal Kombat X last year and I immediately got hooked on MK X and Mortal Kombat 9. I couldn’t stop thinking about those games (a year later I am doing that with Mortal Kombat 11 as well). I absolutely love Mortal Kombat now. I have never been more glad to be wrong.

[@Se7enRemain]

Those earlier games really were dogshit LOL. Man do I love me some MKX

[@misterkeebler]

Back in the day, arcades and blockbuster were prominent and led to people naturally trying different fighters. I wasnt even a hardcore arcade goer, but I tried damn near everything between the occasional visit and renting lesser SNES ports. Nowadays people might get lucky to have a demo with a couple characters and one mode, or they have to pony up cash and buy it outright. I think a lot of people would find enjoyment in most fighters if they stopped worrying so much about chest-beating for their one favorite game. In that aspect, I think more free-to-play setups (like free play for a week off psn) would help people experiment and chill a bit

[@thepuppetmaster9284]

I'm always playing multiple fighting games. Why limit yourself for one game, unless you're a pro players. Currently i'm playing SF V, T7, DOA 6, and SC 6 which i really enjoy them all. I need to get Samsho and probably grab KoF 15 and the new Guilty Gear too once they release next year.

[@StrawberriesWasTaken]

Honestly have no idea how people can only play one fighting game. I can understand pros focusing on one game, but everyone else needs to chill out and play some good ass fighting games

[@stylesheetra9411]

Well they are vastly different games so there is One that usually tick all your boxes (unless you like 3d not combo heavy games, Sorry for that)

[@Regdren]

The time investment to get into a fighting game is enormous. I can't even get into one right now, let alone multiple.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

It must be just your way of saying it, but in reality is not hard to understand how that happens, now in a time when most top players are limiting themselves to one fg, and the "cult of personality" thing has grown too much since the Sf4 years. If the Sf gods (using Sf because of its influence) today started to play different fg's, that would have a sudden considerable impact on their fans who just yesterday were "one game" people and defended that stance... you can be 100% sure of that.

[@danbadd]

Everyone needs to try FEXL. That game deserves support from the FGC.

[@mushihimesamas]

Give Lethal League Blaze a chance people, give windjammers a chance people! ....Hey, they're fighting games imp....

[@TafferFGC]

I remember never liking any fighting games until one of my friends persuaded me for about a month to play Tekken 7. After I tried it, I've been trying a lot of fighting game since then

[@farce2734]

Yeah you guys should give doa6 a chance. Sure it's a hard game but not as hard as the others. It's fun especially when you've gotten the hang of it

[@mgbrad5018]

This is great advice, I started expanding playing more and more arc sys games this year and tried out at least every evo main game.

[@AussieMoron]

I’m an Australian player and I’m a scrub at Tekken but it’s so fun. Someone come kick my ass

[@richieh7476]

play skullgirls play skullgirls play skullgirls

[@LumpyCrumpets]

Tuba

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Is that a JoJo reference? Next, you gonna say "Everything is a JoJo reference".

[@Onitaku311]

I'm sure I'm not the only one to say this, but sajam sounds like Aris. Something about his voice lol

[@pon3d120]

Bro EVERYONE I've talked to about KI dismisses it as jank without ever trying it. Real shame 'cus it was so well done and has stuff no other fighting game has copied yet.

[@HC-qc5rp]

This was exactly how I was with Marvel Infinite. Thought it looked awful and sub par on release, and now I love it and it’s one of the most popular games in my local scene. Don’t judge books by their covers.

[@Hazard_sys]

Play VF.

[@2000Doriyas]

Hope they drop a new one so people give a shit about it again. I have VF4 and want to start practicing but I have so much Tekken to grind.

[@tgr3423]

Imagine how nuts it would be if a fighting game had the frame data for +/- on block a move is for that specific match up if you pulled up the move list during training or in a match.

[@Weighty68]

Sajam is so wise, I need to start watching these live

[@Kool212]

I'm the only FG player in my friend group. I don't want to buy all these damn games at 60+ a pop.

[@2000Doriyas]

Tekken is like 20 bucks new, Guilty Gear Xrd 2 is like 30, SFV is cheap as hell (if you’re okay with a small roster) and any recent games yeah I’m not down to drop a fat 60 either.

[@Kool212]

@@2000Doriyas Recent games are the only ones that are alive online aside from T7 and SFV.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

"That is a lot of people in FGs..." That is a lot of people IRL about anything, TBH.

[@jrfproductions7226]

I love watching Tekken but I feel like it is super difficult. I haven't gotten into playing it.

[@ChristmasCakeLover_8866]

Its better to see it for yourself than looking from a far thinking "maybe its bad or good or difficult or easy"... That happened to me when I tried KoF14 i loved it but I came in too late and its now hard to find matches online or offline against someone.

[@viewtifulgold4223]

I don't understand this. You're not playing Tekken because you feel like it's "Too hard"? I mean, If that's how you really feel, than I respect it, but it seems like you're just making up excuses to not get into the game. Sorry if I'm coming across as a dick, It's not my intention.

[@mmmk6322]

Tekken 7 is OK. It's when your skills gets stuck at green/orange rank that will be hardest to break. By the time you reach there you won't be dropping combos or messing up your inputs. Reaching green/orange is not difficult at all. But breaking through that is like riding a bicycle for the first time. It's like a magical click switching on in your head that reveals the infinite possibilities that can be done in that game. I still enjoyed my green/orange rank days for almost an entire year. I enjoyed the game even more after breaking that rank. People emphasize Korean backdash but at that rank you only need to be able to space the backdash twice. And even then, you'll most probably use the backdash incorrectly. It important to train that to break through the green/orange ranks easier, but it is by far the easiest thing to learn and by far the least factor for to help you break through. Bottom line, play Tekken, you'll enjoy it if you first try to have fun before you try to get good. Getting good at tekken requires dedication that will probably make you love the game more after it clicks the second time

[@Tyreinn]

Tekken isn’t hard, it’s just incredibly deep. It’s also a visually stark difference between really good players and new players, but that’s the beauty of it. If you just pick it up and mess around, you can get the ball rolling easily. Instead of seeing the huge novelist as daunting, just explore what the characters do. You don’t need even close to all of the moves, and as sajam said a lot of the moves are just slightly different strings anyway.

[@RKNELIAS]

Not that much, there are a lot of easy characters you can experiment with. Also when you have nailed down the movement everything is a lot easier.

[@unmer3306]

But Tekken is trash. For real though, I'm not dropping all that money on fighting games with no content outside of multiplayer and finding out I don't like how they play, been burned to many times. SF5, guiltygear strive, nick brawl. Fighting games need to be free to play.

[@Nauty_nation1990]

Steve playing injustice 2 on the recipe was fucking legendary,I just watched that episode a few days ago for like the fifth time.

[@dissociativemangos]

Think The Recipe will come back?

[@TalicZealot]

Can't give them a try when their online matchmaking isn't active enough. So at any point there are only a few options for a lot of people.

[@bruhyote132]

Yeah I have to say, man. In my opinion, Street Fighter V coming out and being as shitty as it was on launch was the greatest thing to ever happen to me with fighting games. I was always a die hard Street Fighter only kid but when I got into acrsys fighting games something really licked with me. It's the reason why although granblue looks sick, I think I'll enjoy guilty gear a lot more. I WANT air dashes in my game, I WANT neutral that isn't just going back and forth and pressing buttons and throwing fire balls.

[@ninetails2052]

I don't get how people say a fighting game is trash without trying it... except for Street Fighter V, because that game is trash

[@Phoenix-pb4sm]

SFV is pretty damn good

[@xOceanx99]

I think enough people actually enjoy SFV that it merits a try from anyone interested in FGs. I like it.

[@Solidus510]

Been on fire this week man (every week but especially this week imo). Lots of great topics popping up that I hope many people take notice of and generate conversation from. Just wanted to show some love and keep up the real talk, we need it.

[@Wa-fp5uv]

this video applies to ARMS 100%

[@KoninjaX]

i used to hate fighting games cuz i was a sore loser then i started to watch smash youtuber and coreagaming then i learned the history and glory of fighting games i used to think it was for dumb tryhards now im yelling at a computer screen cuz diago dropped a combo in sf5

[@Leonix13]

Back in the day you played whichever arcade didn't have the busted buttons.

[@MyNameJefff]

I personally hated fighting games until I checked out Guilty Gear. Guilty Gear changed my whole outlook on fighting games as a whole. I had only tried Guilty Gear for the music but goddamn, it was everything else that kept me hooked. After that, I began trying other fighting games and I began to fall in love with the genre so much so that they’re now my favorite games. I highly encourage anyone curious in any fighting game to check it out. You’ll never know if you don’t try.

[@MasterChibi]

When UNIST got into EVO this year it reminded me of the utter monstrous backlash the Melty community got when the game was voted in nine years prior. 3S players, GG players, CvS2, and whatever else was still hanging on at the time, they all couldn't believe some nonsense like Melty got in on the stage for the world's biggest competitive fighting game event. The salt was palpable. That being said we had folks come in from every other community to try their hand at the game and it was a boon for the community. The rest is history at this point but people are always, ALWAYS going to be against something in this community but maybe, just maybe if you crack at their rough shell we all tend to hide in, you'll find someone underneath it who is willingly to try the game they supposedly 'hate' so much.

[@iannordin5250]

...A message for the SMASH community

[@MoldMonkey93]

Mostly was an SF player, 3A being my favorite and SF4 was just decent imo but it made me switch to other games. Played T5 online and liked 3D games. Played VF5FS, and DoA5. Joined those communites, played VF5 for 6 years offline. Met 3rd strike cats, ST cats, because of it. VF5FS is my favorite fighting game. It transferred my skill to other titles because of the nuances and focus on your opponent vs character.

[@MoldMonkey93]

3rd strike is my favorite. Not 3A which might be confused for Alpha

[@MoldMonkey93]

One time I was playing someone just learning Tekken and I explained frames to him with particular situate and he asked how I knew. I had VF5FS on the monitor in Dojo next to us which has in-game frame data and showed a similar situations. He asked why doesn't Tekken has that and I told him it was because Harada's an idiot and Tekken is sorta overrated to the point people think he does no wrong.

[@MoldMonkey93]

Tell an has no in-game frames or tutorial like VF does and DOA. Though, Tekken acts like VF in many situations and mannerisms. I'm able to play Tekken with a VF mindset and I'm already halfway ahead most people just starting the game.

[@ofDepreciationatTaxRate]

I'm so ready for more Mike Ross Tekken 7 content. Please do a FT10 sometime with him and your Bryan, it'd be a great collab.

[@egrassa1480]

Mike is not ready yet, its his first week.

[@BreathlessGust]

Power Rangers though.

[@ItsKatsuragi]

I'll never forget that one comment years ago (in I think was GameFAQs?) of a dude thoroughly apologizing to DOA fans for always having been a naysayer and dismissing the game as a boobfest like everyone else until the day he decided to actually buy it and try it and realized that there's very good reason why it's not just a generic fighting game with boobs and that it had it's uniqueness. Also the dude proceeded to thank TN and KT for making DOA. And said he could never go back to Tekken. Just saying. On a personal note, I find it hilarious enough that the other 3D fighters seem to be into getting all their girls in bikinis now.

[@FlyXcur]

Ya know coming back and watching this again I never understood how someone could say "your game is easy and trash and I would be too good if I play it." How could they come up with such a observation? You're going to get your ass handed to you constantly because you don't understand the game yet. I'm coming into 3rd strike 20 years too late and boy let me tell you not a single win has come across me yet.

[@frozone1669]

I usually do try to play as many fighting games as I can, but since I kinda got into fighting games with things like Tekken 7 and dbfz. Games like unist and GGXRD I have lots of trouble with. I have over time gotten somewhat better. But certain characters I can't play cause they give me to much of a challenge, and it bothers me that I can't play them.

[@turbogeschwindigkeit6180]

The hard characters in uni and gg are still hard for people who've been playing anime fighters for years, so don't worry about it too much. I can tell you this for sure though, there are a lot less properties and interactions you'll have to learn in both unist and xrd compared to T7, so once you've got your execution down its all smooth sailing.

[@JameboHayabusa]

Yeah, ive been playing guilty gear for over 5 years, and learning Seth in unist still had a huge skill curve for me lol. I find getting over that skillcurve fun though.

[@2000Doriyas]

Stop making me feel so big brained for understanding everything in Tekken lmao, trying to learn guilty gear is like learning how to run in reverse but I know if I put time into it daily it would build pretty steadily.

[@saysay7191]

Don't feel bad about it. If you try, you'll get good eventually.

[@BerzerkDC]

Would love to see you try DOA. I think your interest in Killer Instinct (Accessible flow of moves and Counter system) and Tekken (3D fighter) will make it really interesting. There's some good players who would be good to team up on this. Emery Reigns is working hard on content. kzbin.info

[@turbogeschwindigkeit6180]

Pick up Ultra Fight Da Kyanta 2 Prepare to get your entire worldview rocked. Its free on steam, there's literally nothing to lose.

[@WECKmaster329]

Omg I can't agree more. It's ridiculously easy to get into and has a lot of depth.

[@Charredasperity]

Send this video to all the Smash and DBFZ players who spam every other fighting game's streams with how every game but theirs is shit.

[@partybarge]

dear disenfranchised SF fans: play KOF, you will love it

[@zachary3879]

partybarge never played kof and im a tekken player should i try it? The newest one or no

[@panikk2]

If kof14 online didn't suck big dick (at least at launch) it would have done way better. Sucks when there already aren't a lot of players and it also has that working against it so it's hard to find players.

[@partybarge]

@@zachary3879 well, it depends. if you're looking for a fast-paced 2D fighter with great movement options and fun combos, that also sticks more to fundamentals, try it out. I like KOF because it kind of bridges the gap between classic 2D and more modern anime fighters. it's fast and feels less restrictive than SF, without the complexities of anime. KOF XIV is a great entry point for anyone new to the series.

[@saysay7191]

@@zachary3879 Kof is fucking HAAAARRRRRDD but the characters and design of the game will intrigue you. Try the game out and I'm sure you like. Start with the older games. They're easier to understand.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

I believe starting from 2002, despite its "Angel & May Lee" issue, is the ideal for everybody right now. Xiii is a very good game but is absolutely not a newbie title. Xiv has the advantage of having [legal] online avaliable (on 2002 you will need to use Fc), also there is a chance of future games following its direction rather than Xiii's. 98 is an incredibly good game and it works kinda nice as a newbie title, but it's too early in the franchise to be used for an introduction having the future titles in mind... 98 doesnt have a meter-based combo extending system for example. That was invented in 2002.

[@M4TTYN]

crazy how this video ain't do numbers all WILL to face this daily with endless grinds to be "the best" or semi okay in games to games of diff genre's but mainly fighting games.

[@Alastorchaos]

Try new failures! You might like them. Nah. Losing sucks in every flavor of fighting game.

[@wyattnance3756]

When I tried out Tekken 7, which was my first 3D fighting game, I expected it to feel like absolute shit when I first got into it. I was shocked to find that it was one of the most intuitive feeling games I’ve ever played. Since then I’ve tried every fighting game I can get my hands on

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Tried several FGs, didn't play any of them for long after "finishing the singleplayer stuff". Oof.

[@TomFooleryPlusR]

I always give a chance to pretty much any fighting game that comes out. It flummoxes me how people get so attached to their one franchise and refuse to acknowledge any other. I really don't understand it. PS: I don't know about Tekken being worse than SFV, but it is in all honesty really, really flawed in every sense.

[@yuurou7927]

The first fighter I ever touched was GGXX, I was a dumb kid then, I had no idea how that game work. Then I grew up with Samsho, KOF, The Last Blade 2, MVC. Then I played USFIV, DOA5, Skullgirls. As an adult I looked at Guilty Gear and like: damn this game is complicated, even it's my first game, my nostalgia can't hold me up to play it. Last year I started BBCF, got fairly ok with that game, gained some confidence with anime fighters, and last week I finally booted up GGXrd rev2, the first GG I play for over 15 years. I GODDAMN love this game, immediately. Try new shit guys, don't let anything stop you, especially difficulty.

[@OTRBRANDON]

Yeah! So you marvel infinite haters shut up, if you haven’t played the game yet. The game is hella fun. I’ll even go as far as saying marvel infinite is better than dragon ball fighters

[@SimplyBmcHD]

Injustice 1 was an easier game tho in my humble opinion. I was quite good at that game, one of the top Grundy players, but I’ve got but when I played SF (and got back into SF4 recently) I couldn’t break gold or 1500pp. That could also be a player base thing tbf

[@hooty327]

I tried soul calibur, many different times, games bad. Tried Guilty Gear, The only character I like i dislike now, and there was just too much too comprehend, might have too try that again, T7 dont interest me cause the netcode, DOA has too much DLC. And the old FG's aren't played no more, and I am highkey had it with sfv tbh. I got into fighting games in the wrong gen tbh. I've just been wasting money "trying" new games. Maybe they just not for me.

[@specter_badguy9675]

The only games I haven't tried that I would like to is Tekken, Soul Caliber, and Killer Instinct. With Tekken and Soul Caliber I just haven't bought it yet, as for KI I don't have an XBONE

[@strippinheat]

And while so many people were puzzled by someone saying Tekken 7 was bad, nobody argued against Shit Fighter 5 being bad. Oh, and Injustice actually is terrible, like, really terrible. I'm not saying its "easy," I'm saying that it's a poorly made game that controls terribly. That's just a fact. Take it from someone that has given every fighting game ever made a real chance.

[@donaldanderson6408]

I agree Sajam But playing Ultimate marvel vs Capcom 3 is hard for me to be consistent in that game because I don't use vergil,morrigan,dr doom zero, Phoenix , I use P.wright,captain America and deadpool Marvel the most difficult game I've ever played

[@yosha101]

Honestly I just have a passion for Fighting Games period. Not for any given franchise (Obviously I have preferences) but the genre is really enjoyable for me as a whole.

[@DonWippo1]

Completely agree with Tekken. The Lack of ingame Tutorial was (and probably will continue to) keeping me away from the game. The visuals are awesome, music is fine too. On the other hand completing this long ass tutorial in Uni clr wasn't feeling that well either. We all gotta work to make great tutorials: Developers of course need to think and work extra hard, but we as players should also reward Games with good tutorials.

[@beatsbykana]

Ok FINE sajam. I'll try something other than gg strive

[@bumblecherry5084]

I would play more than just MK but I'm a clown-ass bitch who gets mega salty whenever I lose anything that's a 1v1. Getting tilted has never been something that i can just "not do" unfortunately.

[@Yaxye.]

Lmao where does elitist mind set come from in the FGC? Like no matter what FG I play, even if I think I'm good at another, I become a super scrub but it is somehow more enjoyable than what I'm already playing since it's a new learning journey

[@briantrochim474]

My issue is that ive been pampered by one of the greatest fighting game mechanics in the history of fighting game mechanics: Roman Cancels. ive played just about every fighting game, and nothing comes close to its potential. its super fun for all levels of play, and has a ton of high level stuff, and a ton of "lets fuck around for a bit". its too good. and if tekken 7 had it, id play it. but it doesn't.

[@gsegarra21]

im always glad i wasnt really like that and granted i was exposed to games in diff ways my brother and cousin brother with old umk3 and cousin with tekken/soulcal wagers which again to be fair were good motivators as a lil kid i wasnt gonna eat shit and get free bred for snacks so yeah and actually eventually my other cousin had mvc2 on xbox if im not buggin which introduced me to a whole other dynamic and fighting game genre 3v3 character based fighter which honestly is prob my weakest between between 2d fighter 3 d fighter and then 3v3 also obv street fighter and even some kof

[@elliotterodriguez]

Lol a took a whole idk how many years for people to realize that SF isn't the gold standard for a fighting game that it once used to be and that it's okay to suck at a fighting game? Jumping from SF to DBFZ will do that to a person honestly with the way CFN has been I might as well play more DBFZ lol I may not be able to react in time but at least I can still see where you are on the screen

[@TheDivineApe]

Damn learning Tekken was fucking nuts. as soon as you open up the move list its like "what the fuck is the difference between an empty arrow and a full arrow?"

[@wolfking4556]

I'm more of a generalist than a specialist so I play pretty much anything, but there are games like GG Xrd that I only play as a casual because I basically don't know where to start from in learning them. Maybe a lot of people who are fixated with one game feel the same and can't get their head around finding a starting point for other games

[@brentsta]

I put off trying guilty gear for years. I really wish I didn't. I tried everything under the sun before guilty gear it seems like. I love GG

[@AdamJorgensen]

I play everything. I'm equally bad in most of them but FGs are still fun even when you suck

[@BlackTalon1996]

Funny enough i took my time out and got pretty good at Tekken but its taking me forever to learn Street Fighter lol

[@KaptainKerl]

Who has time for multiple games of the same genre as a normal working non-Streaming citizen?

[@gemyellow]

also, older fighting games, didn't realize I like SFA3 the most now when I tried them all on a retro console

[@spartan4196]

I think i am on the opposite side of the spectrum... I am a smash addict that is desperate to save up money for a ps4 to get sf5 and tekken as well as every other exclusive on that console and see if the newer versions are better than the older games in the franchises (ive played alpha 3, 3rd strike and 2 on virtual console and loved it)

[@crownlotus6007]

That's exactly how my tekken journey went except I play everything

[@7orqu3]

To beat players who have never played tekken at tekken you need a tiny bit of knowledge. To be "good" at tekken you need encyclopedic knowledge of the game

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

This talk reminds me that I dislike people who sandbag or geniunely play anything off as "just do this or just do that, it's easy/simple". "Just" because it isn't hard for you, doesn't mean it can't be hard for someone else to do. Stop downplaying. It might be easy forreal but have some sympathy, goddangit.

[@MiraKurutaimu]

SC6 is on sale right now y'all :)

[@aftertone3146]

I like to try other fighting games a lot regardless of how bad I am at this genre but as much as I love Tekken it's true that the game is incredibly intimidating when you see so many moves and now tutorial to guide you

[@tristanschneider2909]

I’ve been playing a lot of mk11 but I’m taking a break and trying out other fighting game

[@protos7]

Sajam what is your main game? Or if you truly don't have a main game, what is the game you most enjoy commentating at the moment?

[@ikeDmikleIV]

Sajam I just bought dbfz u better be right or u owe me ok

[@saysay7191]

You might not like it by yourself but I could help you get better

[@saysay7191]

Also, DBFZ is mainly about mix-ups, it's not all game play. You can do big combo damage but as long as you have mix or know how to do it, itll be a bit easier but it's not the easy mixing fellas.

[@gsegarra21]

also I agree with the tekken thing i re got into tekken in 7 after not playing since ps2 and i was like damn how did i play this as a kid