"You Shouldn't Start with Fallout 4"

[@theWheezy]

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[@Stumme-40203]

As someone who started with 76, I’m offended people say “don’t start with 4.” Don’t start with 76.

[@tskysmilles]

Don't 76

[@keekorsomthin]

@@tskysmilles but i do :(

[@tskysmilles]

@@keekorsomthin too bad

[@stevenbolen]

Why does 76 have level locked armor? It makes no sense.

[@SLAYERxX420]

Nasty bro

[@archerwallace8602]

I don't care what game people play first but I do think it's better to start with the old ones, as going from 4 to New Vegas, the shooting will feel clunky and irritating.

[@Welsh7133]

The gunplay in Vegas is downright atrocious

[@mattmartin6493]

I mean I did it that way and it didn't bother me but I could see why it might with some people. I've been playing since 2015 though.

[@Just_come_back_to_reality]

Loved Fallout 3, NV, and 4. I really had a good time with them all.

[@RamboArminius1]

I think that people who are now getting into Fallout after watching the show should play Fallout 4 and New Vegas because they are the games most relevant to the show’s plot.

[@delta2372]

I wouldn't even say new vegas is, the show activily undermines and destroys new vegas and the original games

[@joshuagonzalez5959]

@@delta2372 good reason why most of the prop designs are based on fallout 4

[@delta2372]

@@joshuagonzalez5959 yeah because since Bethesda never truly owned fallout they needed to destroy what came before and undermine it to make it their own, get rid of iconic stuff like T51b and replace it with that shitty t60

[@ytmld]

I would more so say, fallout 4, 3, since most people coming from the show are gonna be used to the BGS aesthetic, meanwhile then they should switch over to fallout new vegas, maybe 2 and 1 too. new vegas and the classics are so different from any of the other ones and people coming from the show would only get confused

[@butchdeloria2995]

Fallout 2 is way more relevant to the shows plot than 4. I don't think any references to Fallout 4 are in the show

[@totallysean]

I started with 4, I think its good enough to get you into the franchise, so that youll be interested to play the other games like 3 and NV.

[@ytmld]

I started with 4 too, i’m glad i did because it introduced me to vegas

[@RustyShackleford556]

Fallout 3 is a good RPG with shooter mechanics. New Vegas is a great RPG with great shooter mechanics. Fallout 4 is a shooter with RPG mechanics tacked on.

[@archerwallace8602]

I love the freedom of New Vegas but it's shooter mechanics are absolutely terrible and can sometimes feel like a chore to play. It's a shame Fallout 4's RPG mechanics were so bad, you can barely affect the story or say anything of an value.

[@combustiblelemons1894]

there literally isnt a difference between the combat in 3 and NV

[@BlueFusion2910]

@@combustiblelemons1894 there is slight differences Like damage threshold instead of resistance, and different ammo types

[@combustiblelemons1894]

@@BlueFusion2910 yeah but I don’t think it warrants saying new Vegas combat is great but 3 is bad

[@RustyShackleford556]

@@combustiblelemons1894 Didn't say that it was bad, just that NV's was better

[@didouplays]

The Problem with Fallout 4 is actually the mood … it does not resemble a wasteland the slightest ( except the glowing sea ) , it looks new and shiny unlike the hopeless dark green and yellow irradiated capitol wasteland or Mojave

[@scotthermmann4]

200 years after the bombs dropped so not really far off what it could look like

[@ytmld]

it’s more so trying to convey this feeling of a theme park gone wrong, it looks good for some people but i think it’s a lil too goofy

[@Star.6739]

I feel like the downside though is that the game kinda looks ugly to me, with too much yellow or green

[@steyrauga1]

I disagree. I think we all have a pre-concieved notion on what a wasteland would look like, thinking it'd be a desert rather than nature reclaiming the world. A nuclear wasteland in the Mojave is going to look like a wasteland in the Mojave. A nuclear wasteland in wherever fallout 4 is located would look like where it is. It's not a "theme park gone wrong" imo. I feel like it fits, you get a helicopter ride to the Prydwen early on in the story and you can see how truly fucked up the entire place is from a different angle.

[@scotthermmann4]

@@steyrauga1 i completely agree. 200 years later that’s what I would expect Boston to look like. Some people are too nostalgic for how the old games look but forget that each game takes place in different parts of the country. And also it is not clean at all. If you do what you said and get a vertibird you can see how much trash and rubble there is in the city

[@de-ment]

Although I'd prefer 3 and NV over 4, when suggesting how to start the FO series for people coming over from the TV SHOW, I would definitely suggest 4. Not because it's "more similar" but mainly because 4's the easiest to just start playing, most fallout players are desensitized and don't notice anymore but for an average person who plays games sometimes, the amount of modding one has to do to have a smooth experience in games like FO3 and NV are ridiculous in comparison to playing something like Sims or Madden. Simply installing a mod from nexus or just opening the Nvidia control panel to externally limit frames within a game or editing config files with NP++ aren't just things someone who learned about FALLOUT for the first time from an amazon show can do within 2 clicks. Just imagine the scenario of explaining to some girl at class the process of signing up to nexus, installing vortex, finding the nvidia control panel, navigating to the game's root folder, finding %appdata%, installing 7 different fix mods, adjusting load order, bla bla bla, bla, bla bla bla bla bla! That's what you look like when you pretentiously say "FALLOUT 3 BEST" to any and every statement about a fallout game.

[@BlueFusion2910]

The tourists that never played the games till now will play for 20 minutes then quit And they will infiltrate the community and encourage bethesda to ruin fallout even more than 4 did already

[@Saltasaur]

@@BlueFusion2910go outside.

[@ytmld]

i started with 4, but grew to love new vegas more. 4 is alright, but thank god we have things like wanna jack and mod managers to do all of the hard work of downloading mods for nv and 3, otherwise i would’ve never played them.

[@Karter_Blackpaw]

I started with FO3, got extremely bored with it since it felt tedious to do anything in it and a story that left me more confused than anything else. Went back to do 1, 2, and then got New Vegas and had an immensely more fun time. There was a specific theme of trying to survive and move on in the ruined world. FO4 felt more like a kooky theme park of randomness and people making questionable choices all throughout. It did a terrible job showing people trying to move on and rebuild as everybody seemed to purposely stay stuck and stagnant in the world.

[@aNiceRusslan]

Ive played the older games and fallout 4 is probably the best one for a first game the older fallouts can really deter people from playing the series because of how confusing they can be

[@Texan8505]

There will always be a new generation of players. And old players and veterans get mad because they started out with older games and therefore like the older games but just because you played the older games and started playing fallout before these new players did doesn’t you can make the decision for which game new players should play first.

[@theWheezy]

Love the single player games of Fallout, been playing since Fallout 3 and never saw the problem with 4 to where it's talked about this much. I've seen many franchises take their games and go down incredibly sour paths, never got that with Fallout 4 and thought it played very well. Especially with mods added to console (limited mods, but still incredible). Let me know your thoughts on this discourse.

[@CaptainConstantinople]

my issue with 4 and 76 is the atmosphere, it doesn't reflect the wasteland like in 1,2,3,NV where its bleak and a struggle to survive with small patches of people just trying to make the world a better place and some quirky humour alongside that, with 4 and 76 it's more optimistic colourful wasteland with whimsical super mutants and "I'm a merc with a heart of gold" type companions with some NPCs having the same kind of morality as people just out of a vault (followers of the apocalypse don't count because their not blind to the fact the world is horrific which is why you often see them in areas where its most bleak to balance out the optimism with an overwhelming sense of despair) at the end of the day I agree 4 is easier to get into but 1,2,3,NV are probably the best examples of what the wasteland should feel like, a bleak struggle with tragically horrific mutants, raiders and a deadly environment.

[@justincary4803]

The way I look at it is it don't matter which one you play first but you should watch some gameplay and lore on 1,2,3, and NV so then you as a new player can understand why us old fans prefer the older stuff more then fallout 4. My personal biggest problem with fallout 4 is the weapons whoever made them I feel like just doesn't know anything about guns. New Vegas probably had the best weapon run and closest in the entire franchise to reality and sci-fi reality.

[@B-zk9bt]

I started with Shelter then played 4, learnt about NV and I fell head over heels for NV, 3, 1 and 2. I love learning about the history of the series and playing them.

[@alcain_x]

My issue with recomending 4 to first time players is the intro, its a great introduction but it misses in setting the right tone. The only hints of how messed up the word in that intro are the optional terminals, if they didnt read the overseers terminal, a fresh can player could leave that vault thinking vault tech honestly tried their best. You world you exit into doesn't seem that bad, the first thing you do is meet the minute men and help them rebuild. By the end of that intro sequence, you've entered a bright and colourful world, met some good people fixing things and you've got a big set of power armour to fight anything scary, The world seems dangerous but hopeful, even dimond city, your first major settlement, seems to doing ok for themselves. Compare that to 3 where you grow in the vault, with hints of resources being scarce at your birthday and then all the blatant indoctrination from the overseer, you get some humour when taking the goat and when everything goes to hell, it can play out a bunch of different ways immediately highlighting the freedom of choice. When you are able to escape the vault it's ts into a completely barren wasteland, unlike 4 the world your first introduced to in 3 doesn't look like it's recovering anytime soon. Even the first settlement adds to this, on the surface dimond city from 4 looks ok, but megaton on its surface has an unexploded nuke sitting right out in the open. All of this comes together to act as a much better grounding and first impression for what the fallout franchise is. Of course 4 has its all the clasic fallout themes later on, and 3 definitely has its hopefull moments of rebuilding, both games tell those stories, I'm only talking about the introduction and first impressions, which is why I usually recommend 3 over any others as a first game.

[@sussyman9034]

Nobody hates Fallout more than Fallout (mostly New Vegas) fans, every fallout game is a good game, it is just that some are slightly better than others

[@ColinAYB]

I, too, remember recommending that people start Star Wars 2/3 of the way through Return of the Jedi.

[@Deadshot-zr5ob]

I started with fallout 4 mainly because I wanted to do a Halo ODST playthrough and I don’t regret it, now I just recently started a Tale of Two Wastelands playthrough and I’ve been enjoying myself

[@Purportedzero]

Fallout 4 and 76 are misrepresentations of what the fallout franchise is. Tim Cain said when he was making fallout “ I want to explore the world and more of the ethics of a post nuclear world, not to make a better plasma gun”. Fallout has been diluted to power armor and the vault boy. And the games have been diluted into looter shooters and mediocre ones at that. The illusion of choice, interesting and dumb factions, ret cons and lore breaks, are why someone shouldn’t start with 4. But because of the show’s popularity, people immediately flock to 4 and 76. Lcd type of thing

[@maximus4765]

Old game bad

[@Purportedzero]

@@maximus4765 new games were definitely made for people like you

[@Nothing_._Here]

The isometric fallout games were looter shooters.

[@Cpt_Plimpus]

@@Nothing_._Here Is this bait? They are in no way looter shooters.

[@suckassmork2972]

​@@Nothing_._Here of course who could forget fallout 2 inventing lootboxes.

[@hyakin7818]

I started with fallout 4 because of the bad rep it got from fans because i don't want to feel like everything else besides new vegas is crap I'm more of I start of with crap that is still good and get to see what the series has to offer and does better with each game i play

[@ClellBiggs]

As long as you don't start with 76 or BOS you'll probably have a good time. Heck, you may even like 76. Some people do for some reason. I'd probably start with 3 just because it's the first in the era of the 3D games (BOS doesn't count, seriously, don't play it). Once you've done 3, NV and 4 (in whatever order you choose) and like the series you'll have more incentive to try the first two games and may enjoy them more than you would if you tried them first. Then you could try Tactics and Shelter. Both are perfectly okay games.

[@ytmld]

ok now who the hell starts with BOS lmaoo

[@AmyCherryLMAO]

​@@ytmldthat game is as easy, if not harder to find than mortal kombat 9

[@Arbyfig]

As someone who loves too many franchises, I would personally recommend fallout 4 first, the issue with fans of a franchise is we already know the lore, context and nuances of a franchise, a new person looking to join not so much, so experiences that seem clunky might already be enough to dissuade people who might have been potential fans. I mean we want to put the most approachable experience possible for new fans, it’s why with mass effect, before the legendary collection if jumping in, Mass effect 1 is clunky but if you tell someone to jump in from mass effect 2 or 3 and they are hooked on the game’s lore and universe, they would play the first game, this was the case for me for mass effect. But also Star Trek, if you show someone the original series it is very tacky, verses something like enterprise. And we see that the same translates to fallout, 4 is far more approachable from a mainstream perspective, overall gunplay is smoother and less clumsy, rpg side took a hit but 4 being this way allows people to get intrigued by the lore and want to know more

[@jasohavents]

I got SUPER into Fallout 3 after it came out. I absolutely loved the world, the freedom, the customization, and yes... Even the story. That being said, the cousin who got me into Fallout 3, also got me the Classic collection. And I played the literal crap out of Fallout 1 and 2. Even though 3 was more modern. I still found a passion and love for the classics for their environments and storytelling,.

[@mr.goodman3991]

0:18 also it’s the most available

[@CatvsShark]

Fallout 4 was my introduction to the series around the time it dropped. I've since gone back and played the others and now know NV is the best but I always recommend people start with 4. It feels the most modern in terms of controls, and the RPG mechanics are a lot lighter. I then say, if you like that game and want more of the world and more urgency in the story, then go play NV.

[@gos358]

The world's dumbest take ever: Play Skyrim before any of the Fallout games.

[@AmyCherryLMAO]

you mean the elder scrolls game with the least enjoyable melee and magic combat in the series? lmao try oblivion instead

[@gos358]

@@AmyCherryLMAO wait, isn't it oblivion the one that only uses one graphic for magic and has like no variation for melee combat, which every attack uses stamina and for some reason allows you to attack underwater?

[@AmyCherryLMAO]

@@gos358 isnt skyrim the one with damage sponging enemies, boring melee weapons, and that sacrificed most of the series magic and alchemy in the most cop out way possible (by saying it was made illegal or something)?

[@mage_43]

4 was the first Fallout game I ever played cause I heard a classmate of mine talking about it. Years later I played Fallout New Vegas then Fallout 3 afterwards, and while those games did make me aware of the flaws that Fallout 4 had, it's still a game that I have a lot of fun with from time to time. Honestly I feel each of the games does something great over others, so I think it just comes down to personal preference over what game you want to start with

[@ThatEpicGuyGaming]

I started with fallout 4 as my first game because i saw it at a sale by some guy with Many games for 10€. That was probrably 1 or 2 years before the show. Well i enjoyed it and found NV way better

[@CrematedZebra]

although better than 76 by a long shot, fallout 4 takes so much away from what made fallout fallout. i could list them but there's so much that just gets trivialized or turned into a basic mess. Super Mutants, BoS, Enclave, even raider communities. Fallout 4 is ironically like the spaghetti western of fallout, simplified, cool looking, action packed, and badass feeling. if you wanna blast muties and help settlements, its a game for you, and imo thats completely fine. Ive just had the amazing choices and nuanced storytelling of the other titles grow on me so so much more than any cool fight on fallout 4 can offer. just my 2 cents

[@Gerpsnot]

Actually, participation in every single Fallout game has increased dramatically since the series was released. I agree about 76 but only because Microsoft held it at ransom- telling me I had to buy their stupid game pass before I could play it.

[@zarryc1687]

FNV is still better to play or start with than F4. FNV has mods just like F4 does. There are multiple animation mods, gun mods, armor mods that make the game more immersive and expansive. There is even tales of two wastelands that allows you to merge FNV with F3 and play both games seemlessly with the same character on the same save file. I think that's the ultimate way to play. There is no jank in FNV. The graphics are old yes, but the gameplay holds up easily. If gameplay is what you're looking for FNV is miles better than F4.

[@GBONESLY]

I feel bad for anyone who only knows F4

[@thisguy5281]

My friend just started playing fallout and I recommend fallout 4 since it’s graphics are more up to date, it’s got great combat, and the recent update made it less buggy and has caused there to be more content for the game. Despite what I told him, he decided to play them in order, starting with fallout 3. So far, he has had a great time with minimal issues. After this, I would say you can really start with any fallout game. It kinda just has to do wether you prefer the role playing and story of fallout 3 and New Vegas, the settlement building, combat, and customization of fallout 4, or the multiplayer capabilities of fallout 76.

[@maximus4765]

The reason is that 4 is a soft reboot and everything after does not mesh well with the rest of the series. 3 and NV are closer to the originals, whereas 4 basically draws solely from 3.

[@pixelgamer7267]

I actually started with 76, and have had the most fun with it, however i like all of the games

[@enderfire3379]

yea i agree. had it not been for NV i would have quit the franchise

[@michaelcarroll5801]

Well the show is modelled after FO4 so fans of the show should enjoy it. Its the exact same vibe as the show. But people that saw the show and thought "why the hell did this get such great reviews, the plot makes zero sense" then they should play New Vegas. FO4 gets a lot of well deserved hate. The creator of the video talks about how entertaining the game is, while conceding that the plot is bare bones and basically admits that the story is kinda lame. Every FO4 fan says the same thing "well I found it fun", which is fair enough, but entertainment factor and craftsmanship are 2 separate factors in critiquing any form of media. Fallout 4 is an entertaining game, and as a console player I've enjoyed modding in cute girls, 40mm grenade launchers and superjumps. It's fun. But its not really a great game. Its a solid 7 at best, I give it a 6 after binging New Vegas for the last month after hatewatching the show lmao. FO3 fans are somehow lumped in with FNV which is not really the case as FO3 suffers from many of the same writing issues and contrivances which arent a problem for many but its a big enough issue for many to really dislike the game even after liking it at some point initially. FO4's biggest issues: -style over substance -characters not fleshed out. Like they wanted to have their cake and eat it too with Nate. It's not an issue of him being voiced, he's simply not well developed, likewise with Nora and Father and every single faction. Just look at Shepherd from Mass Effect, people really appreciate the first 2 games in that series and even the third to an extent. -dropping karma, reputation, ammo types, weapon condition -settlements are cool but when your only option for residents are a couple named NPCs and companions, with everyone else being nameless. Its so dumb. Like you could at least give the generic citizens some name like George or something. -no meaningful choices -instant dog and robot companion, power armor and minigun reviewbait - radiant quests are garbage tier, next up will be AI generated quests and dialogue - pipe weapons were too cool to be so weak, so sad - generic enemies, too many of them. - no consistency with original lore - yes, yes (sarcastic), question, no (yes) -scaling of course -there's like 3 actual towns with people to talk to in vanilla Overrall there's a lot to dislike about the game if you think about, doesnt mean you can't find it entertaining. And that's not even accounting for the minor details, like robot butlers equipped with sawblades and a flamethrower taking care of a baby, the nuke scene with a Nuke that is most definitely way too close, Prydwen making zero sense and not even attempting to explain it.

[@soyhugo390]

i couldnt said it better

[@theAlchemyst11]

It's a game, isn't the point of them to have fun? If that's what's being done then what does it matter? Don't get me wrong I like good, well written dialogs and stories but if the 'game' part isn't all there then what does it ultimately matter? I would rather play a fun game with an okay story, then a shit game with a fantastic story (not saying that's the case with any of the fallout games in particular, just making a statement).

[@michaelcarroll5801]

@@theAlchemyst11 no one is hating on you for enjoying FO4 or whatever game you want to play. A game can be fun and entertaining while being well crafted and cohesive at the same time. That's not too much to expect from a company as big as Bethesda. And in the case of Fallout it is twice as expected, considering that they want to call their games the 3rd and 4th instalments of the Fallout RPG series and not fundamentally different games. Fallout was a well crafted RPG experience with a profound story. The Bethesda versions throw all of this away for a much simpler and less meaningful experience. And is that okay for you? Yeah why not, the game is fun. Fallout 3 was amazing when it came out, so was FO4. But the game is not Fallout. But it came at the cost of what could have been a much more cohesive and well crafted experience, gameplay and narrative-wise. So the question isn't if you would rather play a good game with a bad story or a bad game with a good story, the question is why can't we have good games with good stories.

[@soyhugo390]

@@theAlchemyst11 It matter because its not what the saga is about, imagine a horror game very scary, very fun now do a sequel but forget the scary part so now you have a "horror" game thats fun but not scary, players who know the original game are gonna be dissapointed because its not what its supouse to be, then new fans attack them for complain on the new game "why you have to cry, isnt a game supouse to be fun whats the problem then, well its their game so they can do whateber they want lol, etc" So yes, it does matter

[@Skeety08]

Imma just say it far harbors story had better writing than F4’s main story

[@ColinAYB]

You are 100% correct, and it's because it had a different lead writer than the main game. The same applies to Fallout 3 and Point Lookout.

[@RobertMaximus09]

Tbh starting with Fallout 4 is a good thing if you like more modern games and in this way when you play the better fallouts you can feel how they are better, in this way you play all of them while slowly loving more and more the game. Also Fallout 4 is very friendly to newcomers and has a really active modding community and has also generally great gameplay, I still play it due to how good that gameplay formula is and the many mods make it basically 100% replayable every time as you can change anything you want.

[@RobertMaximus09]

Also it mainly depends on preferences, like for example I personally liked settlements in 4 but others might not like that. There is a game for basically everybody, that is the good thing about Fallout, variety.

[@moussi22]

It's because it's the worst 3D fallout game. Fallout was a RPG franchise but fallout 4 has minimal RPG elements and is just a looter shooter with shit writing.

[@CalamariPlays_Whatever]

My first Fallout game I believe was Fallout 4, but new vegas is my favorite, BUT graphically and gunplay wise, Fallout 4 is better, ESPICALLY on PC with mods that fixes Fallout 4's short comings

[@petermacris8260]

I tried to play new Vegas on steam and it crashed 4 times in 2 hours

[@hf7219]

Only 4 times?`You were lucky bro. You have to mod NV and 3 to get them properly running on modern hardware. Script extender and such things.

[@AmyCherryLMAO]

you are unironically better off playing it on series x

[@hf7219]

@@AmyCherryLMAO I have it on SX and PC and the SX version compared to the modded PC version plays and loooks like cancer. I thought the same and started on SX and after 10 hours I took the time to mod the PC version and oh boy ... is that a difference.

[@AmyCherryLMAO]

@@hf7219 idk what sx you have but mine ran almost perfectly, I think I had maybe 2 crashes and was mainly concerned about how zoomed in the fov looked

[@hf7219]

@@AmyCherryLMAO I mean the overall clunkyness, you can almost remove all of this clunkyness with mods on PC.

[@hf7219]

What is buggy with the settlement building system in FO4? I have bild A LOT and never had a problem. On PS4 and PS5. Fallout 3 and NV are very outdated by now, they look terrible and gameplay is clunky as hell. You can mod it of course so it gets (way) better but who wants to spent hours or days to get the game running without CTDs and flying NPCs with (nearly) PS4 graphics? I would recommend FO4 by far to every newcomer, and if he can't get enough yeah try 3 and NV ... . A h and before I forget: FO4 has a GREAT story, I really don't know what problems people have with the story. It's very cinematic and mystic. If you want to play NV follow the "Viva New Vegas" guide, if you do everything right you have a crash free game.

[@Rougewave_fun]

Just start with them all silly goose !🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@funki4896]

The games which had the greatest increase in players were NOT Fallout 4 or 76. It was the original Fallout with a wopping 600% increase and in second place Fallout 3 with a 350% increase. In fact only Fallout Shelter and Fallout Tactics had a smaller increase in players than Fallout 4 (still over 150%). Every single Fallout game is sky rocketed especially the older titles. Some fans are just angry nostalgics that say cliche things like "back in my day x thing was better than current thing!" It's just annoying. And the Fallout 3/NV fanbois fail to see that they AREN'T the old fans. The really old fans are from No Mutants Allowed - fans from back in the 90s that are angry since Fallout Tactics (2001). They were fed up BEFORE Bethesda even thought of acquiring the franchise. Some of them are even angry at Tim Cain himself - you know the literal creator of Fallout. But somehow those Fallout 3 fans act now as if they were the old fans and everyone else is a "normie". It's ridiculous. Step down from your high horse and be happy that so many new people started to play your favorite games.

[@Alexander-nc4vy]

Brian Fargo did more for Fallout than Timothy Cain, to be fair.

[@funki4896]

@@Alexander-nc4vy very debatable. In fact Tim Cain was the only one believing in the project and carried Fallout 1.

[@Alexander-nc4vy]

@@funki4896 He did, but Fargo contributed more to the quality writing of the OG Fallout.

[@hfghhgfhfghfg]

I started with fallout 4 and im not event finished with fallout 4 and havent really played any other fallout game other than 76 for like 5 minutes, i think fallout 4 is a good starting point, you dont need to know any lore or anything else to start fallout 4, its kind of like half life 2, you dont need to play half life to understand everything.

[@quimble2177]

4 suffers from feeling like it’s older than it actually is. 3 has issues, quite a few, but it’s aesthetically consistent with old fallout, as is NV. But 4….3 and NV had “tactical reloads” which 4 somehow lacks despite them being a thing for almost, if not longer than a decade at that point. The weapon animations are also an abortion. I cannot play vanilla 4, it’s that bad for me. Maybe I’m just being autistic about it, idk, but compared to games that came out around the same time as 4? Yeah, it’s somehow dated the moment it released. There’s also the guns, and the baffling shit around them that again, is fixed by Modders. The models are….meh at best, and Bethesda completely ignored the fact that fallout has tended to use fallout versions of irl guns with a few fallout unique weapons. And on top of that, there isn’t a single proper unique which is sad. 3 and NV had some cool weapons. I could go on about lore consistency, the terrible plot, having some of the worst side quests in the entire franchise, yes, including the original games by interplay, wasted factions, making power armour too common and easy to acquire, making deathclaws a fucking joke, etc, etc, etc.

[@michaelcarroll5801]

Not reading all that, another settlement needs my help

[@Saltasaur]

At least 4 is actually fun.

[@ColinAYB]

Fallout 4 was already dated in its mechanics and visuals in 2015. For reference, the same publisher released Doom Eternal 6 months later.

[@BaseDeltaZero1972]

Yeah, this warning is a couple of years too late for me... 😁 Most TV newcomers will be well at ease with FO4 IMO - they will recognise all sorts of stuff from watching the show and the game itself won't seem too primitive to them (especially if they dip into mods). I actually think it is perfect for the noobaloos!

[@The_House_Always_Wins]

This is quite possibly the worst time to dip into the modding community

[@DomyWomySalami]

The fallout and elder scrolls franchise are made so that u can basically start with any one of them as a new player, (new player friendly) cuz there’s no run on story that continues from fallout 3 or fallout NV, it is its own story in every game, that’s what I like about these games, but in my opinion fallout 76 is the best start if you’re into that style of game and wanna play with friends, but it’s good if u wanna play a game that takes place way before fallout 1, 25 years after the bombs, as a kid I started playing fallout 3 and fallout NV and all of them are great to get into the franchise

[@ColinAYB]

1, 2, and New Vegas are all continuations of the same themes and stories. It's only the Bethesda titles that forego that.

[@dustinthefox7510]

what about ps4 or ps5 players?

[@Galanoth91]

Gonna add my two cents: I played fallout 4, New Vegas, and 3, in that order. Fallout 4 is my favorite. Not because it's a particularly good RPG. Or a particularly good shooter. But because it's fun. I liked New Vegas, but the game kept crashing every hour to 30 minutes. Yes, mods exist. Yes, I know how to use them. I can look past the crashing though. I like New Vegas' base game. I enjoyed the Sierra Madre and Honest Hearts DLC. Hated Old World Blues. I didn't like the repairing mechanics. Wasn't a fan of the Power Armor. Didn't particularly enjoy any of the factions. I liked the freedom the game offered though. Overall, solid game, not my favorite. Hated fallout 3. Main Protagonist felt whiny and it lacked the QoL changes New Vegas made like being able to repair with any weapon of the same type instead of needing the exact weapon you currently were using in order to repair it. Too much walking. Too much green. Didn't like any of the DLCs. Fallout 4, gunplay is solid. Gameplay is solid overall. I like the power armor design since it's how Power Armor should look in a game. I didn't like how overpowered the power armor was and I don't like gathering resources to repair it, so I often don't opt to use it. Brotherhood of steel are badass. Minutemen suck (That's why I always opt to become a raider). Settlement building sucks unless you dupe resources. (Which I do.) RPG mechanics are decent, and, although this is personal preference, game isn't as raunchy as the previous fallout games, which I appreciate. I also enjoyed all of the DLCs, which I can't say the same for previous fallout games. TLDR: New Vegas was alright. Didn't like Fallout 3. I always feel up to playing Fallout 4.

[@clout977]

Fallout 4 brings so many characters back from the capital wasteland should have been fallout 3 part 2

[@cosesu8929]

Fallout 4 and 76 are also the most accessible

[@kaylemjoseph8727]

I regret it

[@h_acera8911]

Charlie?!

[@skullyinc.]

You should definitely Play Fallout 4. [ I haven't watched the video ]

[@Darkcide-tl7kl]

"It is good because it is popular now!" Wow what a bad take. So how much is Bethesda paying for this video? "Wow adding crappy and pointless content is a plus guys!"

[@theWheezy]

No one said that, chill out a little bit

[@SwampTrooper2005]

Bethesda lives rent free in your head. Chill out and let dude have a different opinion from yours.

[@Darkcide-tl7kl]

@@SwampTrooper2005 how about no Disney shill

[@narcleptik]

Man I love this game

[@Deadforge]

They're all great

[@Dwayne_LaFontant]

What an underrated video. The quality is genuinely incredible.

[@SLAYERxX420]

nah

[@Wrath1263]

I started on fallout 3 then new vages then I tried 4, and then I refunded it in the steam shop I didn't like it

[@feymasons.7835]

Honestly I think fallout 3 is the worst single player fallout

[@fercon9892]

the real reason people play 4 and 76 first is because they dont crash as often.

[@BulkBogan1920]

Why do all Bethesda shills talk the same and have no original opinions to give? Fallout 4 is a trash fallout game, and its only use is for mods, which can't change the terrible story, writing, and quests.

[@toast207]

I like the graphics from 4 but I REALLY prefer games like NV (in the middle of first time no spoiler play throughs of both). NV is objectively better

[@CakeScented]

Fallout 4 feels and shoots better. You can't even sprint in NV, and it looks like complete ass. The game being old is a retarded excuse because halo games that game out around the same time feel so smooth.

[@Saltasaur]

Go outside

[@BulkBogan1920]

@@Saltasaur Average fallout 76 fan

[@BulkBogan1920]

@CakeScented Blame Bethesda for using a gaming engine from 1997. Obsidian had to work with Bethesda's laziness and bullshit, plus they were only given a year and a half to make the game. The game mechanics are awful, but the RPG elements have surpassed any 3D Fallout game since it came out.

[@woodsgump]

I agree, and it’s jackasses like Creetosis that sway the minds of every viewer to play this game only and not that one! Like where’s the fun in that? People like those KZbinrs ruin the authentic and bias perspective of video games in the first place. Yeah sure F3 and F4 have flaws, but they still have fun and enjoyable moments. While New Vegas was one pure golden luck and caught on by the community.

[@cheesymcnuggets818]

Glad I'm not the only one that doesn't like Creetosis. Well said

[@Alexander-nc4vy]

Rare Wheezy L.

[@druid4243]

Visually I think fallout 4 falls behind 3 and new vegas. It almost aged worse. The textures are all so muddy and flat.

[@BlueFusion2910]

Temporal anti aliasing is the main reason

[@Saltasaur]

At least the game runs without you needing to have a degree in IT.

[@heyheyhey1481]

The game is a bit muddy. It’s weird. Fallout 5 will be much better.

[@BlueFusion2910]

@@heyheyhey1481 doubt it

[@heyheyhey1481]

@@BlueFusion2910 Ok

[@iguess4512]

Fallout fans are some of the most annoying fans in gaming. They eat each other up because they cant get along because their game has to be the superior one. Each Fallout game is great, but their pros and cons are so drastically different. This is why they ride their preferred fallout because their glasses are so rose tinted, they can't accept the fact there are just other games that do better where theirs fall flat. Fallout 3 has some of the best, down to Earth, gritty atmosphere with excellent story driven DLC. Fallout New Vegas has the best setting, and the most enriched writing compared to the other two games. Fallout 4 has the best gameplay by far, and offers more to do in the wasteland besides quests. Quite frankly, it doesn't matter which Fallout you start with as long as you know what the other games provide.

[@michaelcarroll5801]

Yeah so many fallout fans fail to be objective about the games, like when they fail to be objective about the fact that NEW VEGAS IS THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME SUCK MY BALLS

[@leon-wx1co]

I started with fallout 1 back in the day after the second it went downhill.

[@punishedkid]

Having more fans of Fallout to "relate with" means nothing if they don't believe in the same Fallout as you.

[@michaelcarroll5801]

Totally. So sad to see a huge franchise built on style over substance when it came from a foundation of meaningful writing.

[@sync380]

The increasing popularity of the series is directly related to its downfall. Anything that has mass appeal is almost by definition an inferior product to something more niche. Fallout as it was originally envisioned is dead.

[@Alexander-nc4vy]

@@sync380Many people like to deny this by saying “you’re just a contrarian”.

[@Ed_G_Boise]

Just dont play fallout 4 lol

[@keekorsomthin]

Fo4 will always be my favorite, I don't care about "the story", "the lore", or "the accuracy". I goof around and have a blast blowing peoples faces away or creating elaborate death guanntlets for my settlers to walk through every night to go to bed. Or exploding litterally anything or causing the most amount of damage I possibly can in the shortest amount of time, which usually translates to "accuracy by volume of fire / heavy weapons". I love heavy weapons in Fo76. They're just the best, along with the construction PA with ammo/weapon weight ruducing perks and 150 pounds of stimpacks.

[@elwen8525]

At least the gameplays pretty fun

[@joaquimbonazza6686]

Honestly I think fallout 4 should be people's first fallout because it's pretty much just baby's first fallout

[@jordanh8249]

Mfs just want to play the newest shit why would start with 4? Makes no sense and I also don’t like how you gonna play the game cause the shows good like you should play it way before the shows even out

[@botmushin8878]

.. because it's boring.

[@AmyCherryLMAO]

and the story falls flat on its face multiple times with half baked ideas that either *almost* go somewhere or go nowhere (cough cough nick valentine and kellogg)

[@botmushin8878]

@@AmyCherryLMAO Every sequel becomes a downgrade. x'D

[@AmyCherryLMAO]

@@botmushin8878 yeah id argue its hard to keep a momentum going, however counter argument: the wasteland series only went further and further up after 1

[@ColinAYB]

​@AmyCherryLMAO It's not about creative momentum imo, it's that they've gotten stagnant in their neverending quest to onboard new players. We've now had 3 Bethesda titles in a row (4 if you include the show) that are fish out of water stories about a vault dweller saving the wasteland with the Brotherhood of Steel, because they have to hit all the iCoNiC notes like vaults and power armor or the newcomers won't understand what's happening. It's not that they forgot how to advance a story, they're just afraid of doing it and scaring people off.

[@AmyCherryLMAO]

@@ColinAYB yeah, fair, i think weve only had stories that werent the usual vault dweller fish out of water maybe once in the 3d era and that's a 3:1 ratio now, and again they keep putting the same few things (bos, super pooper uber mutants or whatever, and desert critters that I SWEAR if i EVER find them in a fallout game set in chicago i will FLIP MY SHIT)

[@Saltasaur]

4 is literally the best for beginners to the series lmao.

[@CakeScented]

The average person wont play or finish the older fallout games. Movement and gunplay are atrocious. New players will enjoy 4.