You've never seen an "In The Bag" like this!

[@garrettjrussell]

Joel is such a good guy, not only does he carry stuff for himself, he carries goodies of everyone on the course. Be like Joel Freeman everybody.

[@caseysmith544]

I am same with mini's using plastic tops from jar lids with none of them being peanuts or peanut butter due to how bad allergies to that specific legume can be, worse then even nut or soy where there it is in eating it. Most are from work in 2017-2018, that are from larger jars but the ones with smaller plastic lids then the bigger lid jars (not legal mini marker size) we used at the Middle school. I have lost a few of my older minis handing them out over the years like a black Play It Again Sports one from 2003 and almost did not get a Club in the state there mini with Logo back or a rare stamped mini from a store in my town that sold discs for a bit in the mall before the place moved to only downtown and would not let people in unless they were going to be buying a skateboard but also allowed for disc buying but only if buying Skateboard stuff too making them leave. Place has since changed to a body shop with only one of the two original owners that specializes in making windows that are double the max limit on window tinting or darker, sometimes so dark the person 100% can't see out the window at night.

[@TeeJMultipliedBy17]

Absolutely excellent in the bag! Probably the best ever

[@professorpeavey]

Saying “nice” after a disc has been thrown scientifically makes it worse. Also this was excellent Joel!🤘🏼

[@sc3639]

In the bag with Joel. He takes care of others just as much as himself. Respect dude!

[@sc3639]

I really liked how you laid all your discs out. That makes it really easy to see what to expect from them. Well done.

[@TherealPapaDogP]

I’m not gonna lie, this is the best ITB I have ever seen. Wow. I’m happy to be a new subscriber.

[@Arrjaayyy]

Really liked how you broke it down and presented everything.

[@everettcorder5977]

This was an absolutely fascinating in the bag. I love the way you think about things and present this. I'm going to map out my bag like this too, even though I'm not a pro. My understanding is that domier drivers are more overstable, but that dome doesn't affect mids/putters as much in stability

[@cadengates1681]

The eduction major is paying off. I learned quite a bit from this video. Thanks for taking the time to put together something so meaningful.

[@Daniel-from-Texas]

Great ITB and great use of that chart. You're a great teacher.

[@saemj]

Interesting, you are the first that i see mention the "basic 15" idea. I have the same one for years, for me it's a 4x4 instead of a 3x5 so i have a "basic 16", but it's pretty much the same idea. My 4th row are understable, straight, stable and utility-shot kinda super overstable. I also throw all my discs forehand and backhand depending on the line i need. Cool ITB, thank you for sharing :)

[@gorocks93]

This is probably the best ITB I have ever seen. It's also how I break down my bag (less distance, but same idea). Really, really well done.

[@drewjanzen2739]

Love playing that synthesizer!

[@taakotuesday7878]

This is by far my favorite in the bag I've seen! Dome tends to make the disc fly slightly less stable but since it adds glide, it will finish a lot farther left (when thrown RHBH) leading people to believe they are more stable.

[@taakotuesday7878]

Joel has Bryson Dechambeau vibes. Thinking about equipment and setup in a more logical and analytical way, less on tradition and feel.

[@benjaminanastasi5427]

Randomly found this video, and I'm so glad I did, one of the best ITBs I've ever seen!

[@zafotbeeb]

Thanks for a genuinely informative in the bag. You gained a subscriber with this video.

[@gaymongoose]

same!

[@damontorrez7251]

BY FAR my favorite “in the bag”. Love the setup, love the model and how you explain the disc flights. I liked you as a player and as a person before but even more so now. Love it

[@T91-n7j]

Dude, your illustration was genius. Thanks!

[@Bacula3]

Looking forward to seeing. The dome and flight plate video.

[@calebwilkins9788]

1. Love the generosity! Giving pencils and minis is awesome, way to share the love. 2. If you find yourself in a situation where you’d need aspirin, how do you handle that as an “all naturals guy”? 3. I’ve heard older players reference color having an effect on stability, I personally think parting line and stiffness have a big effect. I also think dome has an effect on glide, which can make discs seem more or less overstable based on how well they carry.

[@bizzleonizzle]

"Discs fly more stable in cold weather"

[@aksu2430]

True

[@MrLazer1211]

I've always had this look on a bag! for a normal round, about 13-15 discs are really needed, one in each category for stability and then a few putters you can always rely on! And on the note of the good ol' dx disc. My Archangel has never let me down, got in in my starter set almost 5 years ago and it's still one of my best go to discs that I can put on almost any line and know how it will fly! Keep up the amazing work, and I hope this trend of ITB keeps going!

[@bryanpyle4274]

This might be the best In The Bag I have ever watched. Thanks for the great content!

[@MrOzman11]

Fantastic in the bag! I find myself to be an ITB junkie, and as a Science educator this is hands down my favorite ITB. All be it different molds I took a very similar approach when building my bag. Thanks for such a well thought and executed video.

[@MaximilianBerkmann]

That was a great and unique approach to an ITB video.

[@33walt]

Excellent ITB!

[@adaniel8632]

This is so educational and so well done, thank you for putting this together!

[@tommyg5095]

The little piece of material that was given to you is drywall sanding mesh , and is great to have to clean up rough spots on your disc... any home improvement store has it...

[@jayham7345]

Wow! How have you not been doing disc golf KZbin videos for years! Excellent work! I feel excited to see you tour... from my couch. I build my bag the exact same way you do. So refreshing to see someone else have the exact bag building mindset.

[@peter007crouch]

Awesome. Thanks mr teacher man.

[@SQweeQs]

Absolutely love this guy, cant wait to continue watching him in tournaments!

[@grsleepsounds1165]

Blue Discs fly farther than any other color! My son says it all the time.

[@TheGullibleSkeptic]

I appreciate that rule clarification about sanding the disc. A previous video by Dave Feldberg seemed to indicate that only alterations created by throwing the disc were allowed. So I'm glad to know that is incorrect.

[@kiefergoldberg9708]

For those that are interested, that little scrap of sanding mesh is for cleaning up soldered plumbing joints. Very durable stuff, especially if you're just sanding down some plastic every once in a while. I've seen other people use drywall sanding mesh as well with similar results. Both should be available at any big box or specialty store

[@rvree9378]

Great in the bag. I recently bought a new 175 luster millennium exp-x. Been throwing it for a week and it is a very overstable fairway. Numbers are 7/3/-1/4. Definitely beefier than an eagle. Has a flattop firebird like finish at the end of its flight. Sweet disc to shape shots in the woods. Figured since it’s innova manufactured it could fill that overstable fairway slot.

[@jcrow62]

Amazing in the bag!! I like the cut of your jib sir!!

[@markplymale]

This was highly educational and enjoyable to watch! Thanks for this and good luck this season!

[@shredandenjoy7311]

Disc golf shape lore/rumor I've heard: Domey discs have more lift, stay in the air longer / more glide. I prefer domey drivers and flat mid ranges as well, but not for the same reasons as you, it's because I want more distance control, so why have extra glide? At least in my mind! Rad video. Dig the bag. I'd love to see how you organize them. I go from the middle out on my bag, to the left, overstable(for me) discs that fade left, to the right discs that like to go right. Drivers closest to the middle (most distance) mid ranges on the way out towards the end.

[@bfizzle847]

That piece of a screen door is Emery cloth. Great idea!!!

[@rickhansen6761]

best in the bag video I have seen, great stuff.

[@AWAjakeoliver9]

Thanks for explaining your entire bag purpose. I thought I was the only one who built my bag like you do.

[@thejasonblackburn]

Really cool in the bag! I have a friend that swears red discs are more overstable than any other color no matter what the mold is. I don't think that's true but I just let him think he's onto something. Also, a Champion Banshee might fit the overstable slot you mention. I have one that flies like a baby Firebird for me.

[@aarontapatio2257]

For me it's lime greens are insanely overstable. Had a lime green Vulcan, most overstable disc i had ever owned😂 Most Vulcans for me are very understable so i was super disappointed lol

[@thejasonblackburn]

@@aarontapatio2257 I can agree with that. I have a lime green Tern I bought hoping that it would be understable and it's super beefy and flies nothing like the other Terns I've thrown.

[@allenperry1682]

From a fellow educator, best in the bag ever! Great job

[@Phoenix22344]

Brilliant itb, thanks for sharing!

[@micah_lee]

Let me just drop my knowledge: Disc golf discs flights are not fully mysterious. (Only sometimes) The reason a disc flys a certain way all comes down to the shape of the wing. Certain things affect the shape of the wing such as dome, plastics that have different properties with cooling (keep in mind each run of plastic has slightly different properties and sometimes that one thing will affect the flight a lot.) So, if you are still here you may be wondering how the wingshape affects the flight of the frisbee. He is the basic run down. Flying discs are spinning objects that fly through air. Disc golf discs are shaped to direct the air flow over the disc in certain ways. Either it is shaped in such a way that more air goes over the top of the disc or under the bottom. How does that affect the flight? If you imagine air going under a disc that is spinning clockwise, the air will push upwards on the disc at the front of the disc (this is all relative to the direction it is going) as the disc keeps spinning, that upwards motion is translated to the right side of the disc. So the right side of the disc tilts upwards. I can break it down later but take a disc and spin it on your finger, then push upwards slightly on the bottom of the disc. It will tilt upwards 90° exactly. This all has to do with gyroscopics and rotating bodies of mass. Veritasium has lots of videos which break down how rotating objects work which help dive deeper into this type of thing. Okay to break down what I said, firstly as air goes over the disc it pushes on the wing. Some discs are shaped to push the air over the bottom more or to push the air over the top obthe disc more. Plastic affects how the wing is shaped too so that is where inconsistencies come into play. Take out overstable drivers like a firebird. Look at the profile of the disc. There is more wing on the bottom of the disc than on the top and that pushes the bottom of the disc harder which makes the disc fade hard. Then take a understable driver like a road runner or sidewinder and the wing pushes most of the air over the top of the disc which pushes the right side of the disc down and causes it to turn over. The reason it is translated 90° is something I don’t fully remember or know why, but it is because the disc is spinning and it is translated in the direction of the spin. That is why forehands are opposite as the disc is spinning the opposite direction. Also think of the tilt, there is NO air going over the top of the disc so the disc is literally being forced to tilt over and die. Also that is why over stable discs go not as far, because the wing shape slows the air down a lot. And when you flip the tilt upside down the rules are backwards so it really is just flying like a normal disc. Hard to explain without having a disc in my hands to show. But the reason normal discs are soooo overstable when thrown upside down is because they are designed to make a good bit of air push down on the top of the disc. When it is upside down it is pushing alll on the bottom of the disc and it makes it fade. I’m not certain how dome affects how air flows over the disc but it would be harder for the dome because it would have less torque as it is in the middle of the disc. Idk.

[@joelfreemanhole-hearted6305]

This is awesome! Thank you for your input! I think most of what you said is spot on and you definitely taught me some things. I agree with most of everything, but there are a few little adjustments I think I would make. Hope you tune in and enjoy my next vid! :D

[@johnborden6545]

I know this is an older video.... But damn! I love the foxbat! I have 3 back ups since I hear they're not in production anymore!!!!

[@stevedetzel3537]

Genius illustration!

[@mpd_l_r]

Wow, this kind of represents how I build my bag. I like to have the same molds with different levels of how beat in they are. I know a lot of people don’t like this but I find the consistency in mold to be beneficial. I like my grip to feel the same.

[@mik31337]

Hey man, been liking your new YT content and the detail and time you're putting into it. I'm learning a lot! Keep it up! Especially liked the chart in a different video of disc speed and accuracy of pro and am distances.

[@budarobinson]

I liked the overstable understable diagram with the discs labeled that is different. 1 thing besides elevation true or not I believe when it's cold and the disc is stiff it is more stable. I don't know if that's true or it's my frozen hands poor release.

[@yellowdiscs5377]

Joel, that was abrasive cloth for plumbers. It's perfect for tuning discs. See you around Loveland buddy.

[@jerryhyland1554]

The screen looking square you have is plumbers cloth sandpaper. You can find it in a roll at plumbing section at your hardware store . It is used for sanding copper tubing before soldering.

[@tyb9234]

Cd2. Enough said. Greta video freeman m, keep it up💪💪

[@picklemckflickle]

The cold weather and less distance, more stability is down to air pressure. Air is a little denser and adds to more downward pressure. Similar characteristics as a headwind.

[@TMRaven]

In my experience, domey distance drivers fly a little slower, but make up for it in extra glide once they turn over. Because they catch more air with the larger dome, when they hold the turn, they're less susceptible to burning into the ground. I like flatter discs for low line lasers, and domey discs for max distance type lines, where you want it high in the air for the full flex. I've also found domey distance drivers more overstable in general.

[@NicolaiAwesome]

Elevation (sea level vs altitude): At high altitude there is less air to effect the flight of the disc. This translates to the same disc seeming more overstable than it would at sea level where there are more and more tightly packed air molecules to effect the disc (all other forces being equal).

[@sjk2111]

Domey discs are more prone to turning, but will fight back more reliably. A flat disc will be more resistant to turn, but when it does turn it is less likely to fade.

[@discaddicts]

Probably the most clear och comprehensive in the bag...only thing I would add is footage of the discs fly the way you explain.

[@paulg8744]

Glad found you channel Joel. So on Tour someone needs something they say go ask Joel. It's probably in his bag somewhere.

[@simonkoczwarski]

Less glide in higher elevation. Solid video! Great chart explination.

[@jcrow62]

You’re the man Joel freeman!!

[@Titus_337]

This was an excellent in the bag! Nice job. I was surprised to hear you mention the Savant. I just bagged a Halo Savant. It's a sweet disc that slots nicely between my flippy Valkyrie and Thunderbirds. Keep up the good work!

[@dannyrichards1468]

Yeah, Chariot! Favorite mid I throw, so straight and good.

[@matthewcormier7214]

Hey buddy. Keep up the good stuff. Located in Calgary, Canada! Soon to be one of the hotspots for Canadian Disc Golf 🤠🤠

[@DaveHen517]

Can’t wait to see you in Lansing at CCR Open this year.

[@NicolaiAwesome]

Cold air vs warm air: in cold air the air molecules are much more tightly packed (think water at room temp vs ice) making moving discs thru the cold air harder and results in less glide also. So for cold climates/seasons, bag more understable discs and more gummy discs (G* and Pro).

[@Frostyy14--]

Such a great video. Insta-subbed!

[@stephenchalmers71]

I've heard orange Innova discs are less stable than other colors. I'm skeptical. Glad to see I'm not the only one who bags a Star Foxbat. Love that disc for hyzer flips.

[@NickCarroll]

Try the Banshee to fill the Whippet spot. It's replaced mine. Champion is what I went for because I wanted the absolute most overstable version, and that's held true so far. I throw every disc fore or back hand, except because my forehand (200+ feet) doesn't throw as far as my backhand (280+ feet), so forehand is limited to midranges, where my backhand is limited to fairway/control drivers. Since I can't throw as far, i have 5 putters, 5 mids, 5 fairways in my bag. Each type ranges from very overstable to understable. I may have an extra disc like a Dragon if I need to throw over water. I also have a Hydra but it's an approach disc for me that also a floater for shorter throws.

[@davidsjessop]

This was great!

[@jakehill1218]

Joel has such a methodical and mathematical approach to disc selection which is something I can get behind for sure. I love seeing the diagram of where the discs would land and the generalization of it all. Great "In the Bag" video!

[@danielspogardh3415]

Best in the bag ever! Realy liked the format. Would have been fun to ser Eagle do it like this just to see how many disc he would put in the right lane 😂

[@lucasoberholtzerhess3252]

Higher Parting Line seems to be a pretty proven fact for more overstable discs

[@micah_lee]

I explained it to the best of my knowledge in my comment. It is due to physics. Parting line is a good way to determine how two of the same molds are different as if it is slightly different it can affect the flight. But it applies to all discs.

[@bradleeweber9753]

@@micah_lee what is a parting line? I've never heard that one before

[@micah_lee]

@@bradleeweber9753 It is where the two sides of the mold meet at the end, or where they part. I think. In any case if you look at a driver it is the exact tip of the disc if you look at it from its profile. It is the sharp part on the edge of a driver. Technically on all discs there is a physical line on the edge. That is where it parted

[@bradleeweber9753]

@@micah_lee okay sweet yeah I got what you mean. Cause the mold is two plates of metal sandwiched together. Now what differences do you look for? Thinner edge? Thinner parting line?

[@micah_lee]

@@bradleeweber9753 You are looking for how high the parting line (when looking at it from the profile or the side of the disc) is. The higher the parting line (which means the exact edge of the disc is a lil bit higher as the line is in the same place but the edge of the disc is the part that is warped a little bit higher) the more overstable the disc. The lower the edge of the disc (or parting line, or the tip of the wing) the more understable the disc. Think of the tilt. The tip of the edge is super high compared to most drivers so all of the air is going under the disc, making it more overstable. I explained this in a seperate comment if you can find the comment.

[@nesnejls]

superb

[@edwardpartlow4132]

I appreciate the methodical way of thinking about discs. As a scientist I’m always trying to systematically find the perfect bag. XD I’m curious if you have thoughts about a couple things. 1) when (if ever) should amateurs consider throwing lighter vs. heavier discs? Is the extra distance ever worth the decrease in control? 2) you mention almost all non-pro players should stick to that sort of 9/10 speed or slower disc class. How should a player decide to start throwing faster discs? 3) Related to the first two points, do you have a way to measure the “controllability” of a disc in a field? Perhaps to decide whether the extra 20 or 30 ft from a 12 speed, or a lighter disc, is worth it considering the lower control. As far as things that affect the flight of a disc, I sometimes experience, or see people say “everything’s flying stable today” or flippy. It’s usually the person not their discs, but what do you think is usually the reason a player experiences this?

[@joelfreemanhole-hearted6305]

Edward, Thank you for the comment! 1) If you can find a lighter weight and you don't feel like you sacrifice any control, I recommend you go for it. However, maybe once you are in a windy situation, avoid lighter weights. I think it's a trial and error/case by case situation. 2) Some ams can throw really far, so maybe a more appropriate way to say it would be if you throw less that 400ft(give or take). I think 400ft is a good indicator. If you max out around 400, don't bother throwing higher than speed 10 or 11. If you comfortably and consistently throw over 400, then experiment with 12s and 13s. I wouldn't recommend 14 speeds to anyone, given current technology. 3) Not necessarily. Personally, I used to throw lighter weight discs and they would simply surprise me more. You want to be able to rely on your discs and know what they are going to do before you throw them. If you don't have a solid sense of confidence when you hold the disc in your hand, it might be time to put it in time out on your shelf for a while and reanalyze later on. I think that is just another way of saying, "I'm tired." I think it could be anything from not getting a good breakfast that morning, to maybe the guy had an argument with his wife earlier that day. Could be pure superstition. I've never heard a touring pro say, "everything's flying stable today". Thanks again for the comment. I enjoyed responding!

[@C.A.D.]

I've noticed a lot of understable discs have a curve on the bottom of the edge

[@danielklever2760]

I was looking through around 40 wraiths of the same run two weeks ago. The orange ones had crazy domes that ranged from mutant to moderate pop top. The yellow ones were flat and no pop top. I didn't look at the green ones (because the Midwest gets very green in the summer) but I think they were pretty much in the middle.

[@scottc4076]

WOW...Great video. For sticky hands, I use T-10 dust...Yes, it’s from Tee Pad 10 at my local course. Powdered clay mixed with my secret ingredient...Then, put in a spice bottle, tied to my Zuca...Lol. Thanks dude 👍👍👍

[@vangorder306]

That sanding device is emory cloth. Enjoyed the video.

[@Steve-hv1bg]

For overhands (thumber, tommy) overstable=slower pan which is more distance. Understable = faster pan and less distance

[@jakemaster4449]

I feel like a good rumor is cold weather discs not going as far. Not sure if its cause the air is more dence or if its because your body isnt as loose 🤔 would love to know your thoughts.

[@Hiphopopotomous]

When I first started disc golf I started in Colorado. I played at elevation with overstable discs and thought I had a weak arm. Then I got a Heat and absolutely mashed it. Now I live in Minnesota and I threw a roller with my heat on a hyzer my first throw.

[@BearsFanAllTheWay]

Finally someone that approaches bag building similar to me. What I didn’t see were backups. Do you bag any backups to your main 15? And if so. Which?

[@joelfreemanhole-hearted6305]

I do have backups, but that's all they are. I have backup replicas of all of them

[@sabiebright4554]

I've never seen anyone else throw a cd2, I picked up a glow c line one in 2017 to try it, and it stays in the bag as an understable fairway, love the disc and happy I'm not alone

[@brooksy3069]

freeman would be a fantastic announcer, gk, gatekeeper, keep him in mind

[@discgolflists]

Great ITB, some cool perspective. I have been putting with your X-Blend Scarabs for almost a year and love them! I had a couple weeks where I messed with a P Model S and I thought I was liking it. Then I put the Scarab back in to test one day and realized I was crazy to even try to replace them. I don't really believe that there is any one thing that specifically effects the stability, there are too many variables and no consistent or dependable "controls". Hope to see you play in some tourneys this year!

[@greyhutton87]

More dome traps more air for more lift. A flexible disc with alot of dome will actually swell and expand to hold even more air underneath, meaning even more glide. So I hear, lol.

[@michaelyahner6695]

great itb! dome in higher speed discs where the weight is more distributed in the rim makes them more stable, the same does not hold true in slower speed discs?

[@caseysmith544]

Champion in the Really stiff slick plastic often have less glide then the softer discs, part of this is due to grip and not able to grip the Stiff Champion (Jolly Launcher) in as well for generating the power. Then most Destroyer no matter the plastic with the dome to flat top will fly more US then the standard dome or the like unless the really Stiff Champion, in star those discs are usually marked Tee Devil discs but not always as some Star Destroyer discs come out with Dome to flat top but this is more for plastics the Tee Devil is not made in. The same can be said of some Wraith as that is a slower Destroyer but not as easy a thing finding the Dome to flat top plastic for the mold. Flat topping most molds from original makes the mold a tick more OS or tick better at wind fighting even if flying on same line.

[@BenPalm]

Here’s two things I’ve heard: “Metal flake makes a disc more overstable.” “A flat top makes a disc more overstable.” I love Gators and bag 3 of them. I use my domey star one for backhand shots, but I prefer to flick flat top Gators (one is a Scott Withers).

[@sprezie]

Elevation definitely affects stability. Rollers in Emporia are barely turnover discs in CO. And even within CO, playing in the Springs @ 6k you have to disc up when you go to Pueblo or Denver @ 5k.

[@TheTechnatron]

One of the biggest meat hooks I have in my bag is a sidewinder, It's maxed weight and is in champion plastic, mid dome. I think it all has to do with the wing and where the weight is with it. My guess is that when it was still cooling it was sat on its side, making the wing move and reshape a little making it uneven. PS: I can throw most discs and can get into the upper 300's.

[@byuidan]

I am so impressed with this. You did a great job. This is probably the best in the bag that I have ever seen. I am about 200 rating points short of being a disc golf professional myself, but I came to the number 15 as well. I didn't have it as cleanly broken down as you do. I am going to make a chart like yours and put my 15 on it to see how they landed relative to yours, subtracting at least a hundred feet off the y axis of course. I think I mentioned this in another comment, but your videos do have me wondering if one of my discs needs to drop to make space for a whale. I will probably buy one at some point to try it at any rate... With regard to your question about disc flight. I think disc depth is something interesting. It seems like it would have a huge impact on release. It also seems obvious that it would have a huge impact on flight because it would vary how much disc was hitting the air at any point. It seems like you tend toward deeper discs in the slower speeds. I haven't watched all of your stuff yet, but if you haven't covered forehand grip yet, I would be very interested in that. It seems if I try to grip anything deep with a forehand it is wobble city. I wear XL to XXL gloves, so I don't think it is a small hand size thing. Anyway I am very pleased with your new channel. You are doing wonderful work!

[@itsthesean]

I've heard that domey discs glide more and are more understable while flatter discs will have less glide and be more stable.

[@nicklong7442]

Dude... I didn't know you had a youtube channel. This is amazing info and I'm definitely going to make a chart like that for myself. Super helpful! I also gotta say you have an incredible vibe/personality. Definitely a fan and will be rooting for you whenever I see you on a card. And btw I'm a filmmaker, and wanted to let you know if you're curious about your lens doing that weird back and forth warp thing at the beginning of the video, that's called breathing. Every lens has some breathing when ever changing focus -- you'll see it in movies when they have a big focus pull the lens will breathe. I don't think it's a bad thing, but thought I'd let you know if you're curious. But yeah I'm definitely subscribed.

[@joelfreemanhole-hearted6305]

Thanks for the comment, man! Ya, I am a complete amateur. I know the auto-focus has a harder time when I'm so close to the camera and especially when I'm talking with my hands. Just part of the learning process haha

[@kimmomatikainen1843]

More lift in cold air than in warm air so nose up is punished more in cold than in warm air. Humid air (this doesn't mean rain) is less dense than dry air so discs fly faster and farther in humid condition. High altitude means thinner air so discs fly faster and probably farther. Cold air is more dense than warm air so discs don't fly as fast and far as in warm air. In cold air the drag is too high and getting more lift doesn't compensate it so disc flies shorter. Having less lift in thin air might compensate some of the extra speed you get from thinner air. A lot of people uses domey discs e.g. in distance shots, because having less lift you can use domier disc to get lift that keps the disc in the air longer giving a longer flight. With flat top and domey top and their stability raises often interesting question that what is overstable. Is it how fast disc starts to fade, how far/much it fades, how fast disc comes down after fade starts? Different people have different opinion on what overstable means. To me overstable means mainly how fast disc starts to fade so that would be high speed turn and the second thing is that more overstable disc just comes down and doesn't have a long fade, or much fade at all, because it comes down quicky in a steep hyzer angle. I have had very overstable flat versions of a mold and very overstable domey versions of a mold. I think it has more to do with the shape of the wing and than shape of the top. Top to me is more about glide and how much air goes underneath. Flat to headwind because I don't want the extra lift and domey to tailwind because I want the extra lift. And domey if I want to use the wind to carry a disc. I am not an expert in this area though so I can be wrong. I have read few articles and been throwing for almost 20 years.

[@notrenae3381]

Stability is based on the discs moment of inertia, or in two dimensions it's center of mass and geometry (triangles y'all).

[@brennanreeves5707]

Also, great to see some CD2 love!! For sure my favorite disc currently in the bag

[@StandTallStudios]

I love the foxbat. As a lefty the late flip I can get with it Game Maker.

[@yellowsnow221]

"A domey disc can hold an anhyzer for longer and won't fight out as quick".

[@outandabout259]

So that's why my enigma is so awesome! I love that long turn and slow fade!