You Won't Own Games Anymore | Asmongold Reacts

[@jiayojames]

I've spent a lot of money on games over the years. Personally if my steam account ever got banned or I otherwise lost access to it, I would consider my duty served, so to speak, and would not hesitate to pirate games for the rest of my life.

[@miciso666]

same my account is worth over 5000 euros at this point. and thats not even counting how valuable some games are that u cant even get anymore.

[@DioBrando-qr6ye]

Yep, A new golden age of piracy is ahead of us, ARRR. Don't own my games? OK, I won't pay for it.

[@jovydaskniuipys3898]

same

[@hypecord4626]

@@DioBrando-qr6ye to be honest you are not wrong if this does continue it will absolutely incite piracy to rise into its prime and even if the game servers were closed or anything like that because of piracy there are already many games that have their own each independent servers to run coop games

[@AzerothLatinoamerica]

NGL if my steam account for some reason gets banned (how do you ever get that to happens I have no idea) I would literally lose my mind. Holy mother of god I get anxiety just thinking about it.

[@rdelab5873]

Streaming was supposed to free us from "bundles" of the cable TV bullshit. Instead, it has become cable TV.

[@bugz552]

Streaming did free us from bundles, you just need to know the correct sites to stream from

[@ChewbaccaMoses]

Did you honestly think they'd just let money get away from them?

[@CatfishBradley]

Not really, the main advantages of streaming were 1) no ads. 2) pause/ff/goback at will 3) no cable bill ($50+ in the 90s for cable) All of this was possible already via satellite TV/DVR, but that was an expensive and clumsy workaround comparatively. The majority simply had basic cable. All of that pretty much holds up to this day. Our appetite and expectations of streaming services just grew over time. When netflix/hulu launched, it felt like ALL the best shows and movies were at your fingertips; Now it feels underwhelming IMO.

[@radandpaisley]

​@@CatfishBradleythe crazy part is that streaming services like Crave TV have recently implemented ads on the PAID service, while Prime has introduced service subs within service subs.

[@mcflanky8340]

@@bugz552like where?

[@TurtleChad1]

It's nice to see the industry promote piracy again.

[@DioBrando-qr6ye]

Exactly, as I wrote in another comment: a new golden age of piracy is ahead of us...

[@protogensvisiontimelost254]

its now a race to see who can become king of the pirates

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

it's time for a name change already, something that symbolizes file sharing

[@smoothlyrough512]

When it's all online only, that will end

[@chonkyboi._.]

BRO IT'S YOU AGAIN?? YOU WERE ON HASANABI AND XQC CHANNEL. NOW YOU'RE HERE!!!

[@gagsmedia]

If buying isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t stealing

[@J.Poldervaart]

Nice one 👍🏼

[@Keefboi]

The worst thing about this is that it's happening in every industry. Cars, housing, food, gadgets. It's bad.. it's a big funnel towards rich people because the poor/middle class won't be able to afford ownership and won't be able to hold onto their money anymore.

[@dieengie337]

The biggest shit is to buy a printer these days xd. You have to pay FOR THE PRINTER, then you have to buy their licensed INK, then you have to register on their app and pay subscription to print (I've heard some companies are thinking about charging a fee per page printed). Absolutely ridiculous.

[@His_little_lamb]

Laser printers are more up front, but really worth getting @@dieengie337

[@RedRiveR97]

I hate this new world we’re living in like how the fck people just let this happen. We’re slaves in this system and people can’t realize it. Wake up society it’s just going to get worse

[@jansix4287]

There’s no reason to buy a car with subscription and even less reason to treat video games any different. They’re not reprogramming it all every month. A car maker has way more running costs.

[@Keefboi]

@@jansix4287 it definitely isn't financially smart to get these subscriptions but the truth is that these subscription models are becoming more popular. Look at gamepass for example. And as an example for cars, in the city where i live we have these cars you share but you pay a monthly fee to use them. Eventually we might not get the choice to actually buy these products anymore.

[@palwatcher6903]

This looks like the right time to be an indie game developer. Selling your game with only 1 price and they own it forever will be an appealing thing. edit: alright, smartasses. There are other places besides steam . People can buy/sell games on places like itch and when you "buy" that game, you actually get to download a zip file of the game essentially giving you "infinite access" until the end of mankind.

[@LawfulBased]

When I read a title like *_" You won't own Games anymore"_* ... why do the words look like *_" Some developers & publishers won't get my money anymore"_* ?? 🤔😏

[@imperialblack1]

yh bec every indie will say no to a deal of a life time like joining gamepass and getting a set amount of money

[@denethorsmackinonmatoes6800]

I know what you mean, but even indies aren't selling their games per se, it's still a license to run the code in a way the dev permits. They retain ownership of the code and get to determine how it's executed and by whom.

[@tartoon5550]

Nah I get way more from game pass. Why tf would I spend $300 a year for like 3 games when I can get hundreds for nothing 😂 I don't understand the need to own a video game

[@palwatcher6903]

@tartoon5550 do you really think an indie game would be $100? Jesus, AAA business practices have really poisoned peoples expectations.

[@joesantoro4964]

I own a lot of consoles and I make a habit of jail breaking them once they reach the end of their support/life cycle. The reason I do this is to preserve all my games. I own a Wii and a WiiU, I spent hundreds of dollars on games for them over the years through the Nintendo eShop. When the eShop was shut down I didn't need to panic. I had all my games backed up on on a large HDD. Even though I own eShop games I will never be able to legally download them again. This is why I think physical games should never go away.

[@Zac_Frost]

I think Nintendo will be alright in that sense at least. They've got a pretty good way about keeping physical media alive. Especially with how they've downsized from disks back to cartridges. Less money to manufacture both the cartridge and the reader for it. The cases are also much smaller and use up less space and plastic.

[@GreatRusio]

@@Zac_Frost yeah bu t they just dont you know...Kinda sucks

[@Zac_Frost]

@@GreatRusio Sure, the games aren't fully spec'd out in 4K with 60fps or anything, but they're fun. Graphics and specs aren't everything. I found Tears of the Kingdom alone to be way more worth my money than most games I've bought for PlayStation in the last few years, honestly. Stuff for PlayStation just feels like you're getting something incomplete and buggy for full price.

[@GreatRusio]

​@@Zac_Frost Oh I meant to criticize Nitendo not doing a good job preserving their older games by porting them into newer systems. Like I own an Xbox and pretty much all the stuff I bought during the 360 era is still there I think, in comparison my ps4 and Nitendo switch arent really doing much at all. I don't think down sizing to cartridges really helped them at all with preserving, its important for transportation as the switch is intended to be used but the price is just higher. Also I don't think physical media will die any time soon as there will be an audience for them for atleast a decade or two I think.

[@SakuraAvalon]

@@Zac_Frost If you don't think Nintendo will go all digital, you probably didn't think they would paywall their online, or release games unfinished and then add the rest of the game later, as 'free DLC'. Once the other two are all digital, Nintendo will join them. Maybe one generation after they swap over, but Nintendo will go there. This is the same company that kept reselling you your old game roms every time you moved to another console. And then they made you pay a dollar to get the rom on Wii U if you had it on 3DS and visa versa.

[@jadams2289]

The best anti piracy measure is to make something worth buying. "Anti piracy" fucks over legitimate consumers far more than pirates. There will always be piracy, even when they hoard everything onto their servers and only let you play it remotely, those servers will be hacked and the games redistributed. It's an inevitable byproduct of the industry.

[@AlbertoTuber]

'The best anti piracy measure is to make something worth buying', it wont matter, the majority of people who pirate stuff will do it either way

[@kysierkevin]

Denuvo solves piracy

[@forrandomsites3336]

​@@kysierkevinLOL

[@scumbaggo]

@@kysierkevin lmfao you cant be serious

[@Warlock0880]

@@kysierkevin cograts on having a shit take. denuvo wasn't anywhere near the cracked version of some star wars game. People made a big deal over how the pirate's copy ran BETTER.

[@novusparadium9430]

This topic has been talked about for years and is exactly why piracy is necessary to keep these corps in check.

[@LenDawg203]

not even piracy... people should use the internet to band together and mass cancel subscriptions until the companies lower the price, or whatever we try to accomplish . WE THE PEOPLE are forgetting how much power we have as a group.

[@jeremyv2163]

🏴‍☠️

[@overseer_of_memes]

@@LenDawg203 I cannot tell if this is satire or not

[@davidsalvador8989]

Or you could just buy physical copies of older games.

[@TomsPropertyCare]

The problem is this is this isn't a corporation check, it's response to consumer demand. We consume at far greater rates, move onto the next new thing so fast, that it makes more sense to have an on going subscription model rather than a pay once model.

[@kersaest]

i think the main problem with games over music or movies in a subscription is that if you have a ongoing play trough and the game is moved to a different subscription, like imagine everyone who has played skyrim all these years modding it and such and they would have to swap platforms every few years or pay extra to keep playing, or imagine playing dark souls with a friend and then the game swaps to a more expensive subscription addon or swaps to a different subscription platform with no other games you care for.

[@Flyon86]

Yeah, mods are also a big potential problem. Mount and Blade is probably my most played game of all time and about 80% of that was spent in total conversion mods. Subscription services make modding harder if it's even possible on some platforms.

[@ruicorreia6373]

And Asmon still does not understand why "always online" is bad...

[@BaMB00Z420]

I love asmon, but he's not the brightest person.

[@biigsmokee]

He clearly misses the point right from the getgo.. losing thousands of dollars in games isn't by getting hacked anymore, it's by the game developer simply deciding you can no longer play the game. Imagine steam says all games not sold on their store won't be accessible after a year

[@DarkReaperK97]

Asmon has many W takes and many L takes. This is just one of the L takes he has.

[@danielboyas7645]

​@@biigsmokeeI imagine most people after that would pirate games from then on.

[@epicgamer7697]

He can't denounce 'always online' because he is the embodiment of 'always online'

[@dragoneye6229]

This is why certain sites and GOG are important. The industry knows this too which is why they are flipping out on developers who release their stuff to certain sites. GOG carrying more indie titles is the only reason why other platforms started to carry them at all. The writing is on the wall, these companies are about to FAFO hard. 17 states in the US are already writing legislation to regulate and restrict this business model. One state quite literally is the reason Steam will be changing it's TOS soon as they are making it illegal as a predatory practice to charge full price for a license that can be revoked for any reason at any time.

[@adamricecracker7128]

yeah i plan to buy more games on GOG in the Future.

[@pyrophile9972]

Oh yes one more launcher

[@j-swag7438]

@@pyrophile9972 the entire point of gog is that you dont need a launcher to run those games. each game is it's own self-contained .exe

[@mawillix2018]

@pyrophile9972 GoG doesn't need to be used when launching the games, only when installing them. The games are then fully playable by clicking their executable. The games can also be moved to a USB, and it's the full game with no verification required (unless the "game" itself is just a launcher). So you can just plug it in to a new PC, or a friend's PC, and play it. That's not even mentioning how easy it is to make a second backup copy, or simply copying it over to a friend's PC, or to your own laptop. This is true for every game I've gotten from GoG except for one where the file I got wasn't the game, but a proprietary launcher for the game, and I think that one was free to play anyways.

[@juu733]

​@@pyrophile9972no launcher, just download file and play

[@SirBitingBen]

Remember the days where digital copies were cheaper than physical?

[@SkyYuyo]

Never. They only said that when the started but never did.

[@Danik_3]

⁠@@SkyYuyo”never” blud acting like Steam sales haven’t existed for over a decade and people sold their games for less than $5. Ok.

[@AtheismF7W]

Pepperidge farm remembers.

[@MrGalidor]

What do you mean? I remember always buying the games cheaper on a physical copy than digital. Maybe because im from mexico... but it has never been the other way.

[@S4leaguer999]

I just hunt whatever is cheapest and fits my budget. Not the right price? Aight, moving on to something else then :)

[@megadesu69]

Thank the lord for GOG. If only more devs released their games over there.

[@Narutofan825]

You mean igg games

[@LunasRa]

We need to start asking devs to do so, in fact, we should demand it.

[@kveller555]

@@Narutofan825I've heard some downloads on that site come with crypto miners and other malware. If you're using it, I'd suggest you look for alternatives.

[@日本語学科者]

@@Narutofan825 releases from there have malware in them.

[@Narutofan825]

@@日本語学科者 worth the risk

[@lordgrave57]

The problem no one mentions is making games got cheaper when disc manufacturing went done they no longer make as many Discs so why was the price not brought down? They no longer have to pay GameStop to stock their games because you get them online but the price never reflected that.

[@Sadler2010]

What is cheaper about $60 and $70+ games?

[@SnailHatan]

Uhhh, no. Making (AAA) games is more expensive than ever before. Small games got less costly to make, due to all of the free development software.

[@Felip.c]

@@SnailHatan They sell for 100x more people. There are much more gamers today than before. This cover the increasing costs of development.

[@liberatumplox625]

"You'll own nothing and be happy." "We'll make our own shit, and you can pry it from our cold dead hands."

[@distorq]

The WEF does not have a ‘stated goal’ to remove everyone’s private property by 2030. As addressed in previous Reuters fact checks, these claims likely originated from a WEF social media video from 2016 that stated eight predictions about the world in 2030, including: “You’ll own nothing. And you’ll be happy. What you want you’ll rent, and it’ll be delivered by drone.” (here) Danish politician Ida Auken, who wrote the prediction in question (here), said it was not a “utopia or dream of the future” but “a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse.” In a written update, she clarified that the piece aimed to “start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development. When we are dealing with the future, it is not enough to work with reports. We should start discussions in many new ways. This is the intention with this piece.”

[@s3p4kner]

Davos: Your terms are acceptable

[@madjoe8622]

And you vil eat ze bugs!!!

[@marcoonroad7]

Bugs are features. Renting is ownership. Bank numbers are money. Trust is a renewable resource. Social media is reality.

[@Samagachi]

@@madjoe8622 tbh i would be fine with eating bugs if they tasted good

[@lukapitkanen3333]

The most concerning thing about all of this to me is game preservation. It’s already bad but this might make it even worse if companies aren’t doing anything about it. Imagine when one day they stop running these services and nobody has access to their games. That’s the worst case scenario but it’s possible.

[@Ineri-YT]

One day? It's already happening. Valve said they keep around CSGO as legacy version after they make it into CS2. Yeah... we've seen that. CSGO is donezo.

[@lukapitkanen3333]

@@Ineri-YT I’m talking more on the larger scale. If games only exist in some of these services, whole gaming libraries might just get deleted if there’s no efforts to preserve them.

[@mibaoj]

@@lukapitkanen3333 aka nintendo

[@McLovin_710]

There are groups dedicated to game preservation storing files and reverse engineering, look at emulators and ROMs as an example of preservation. But yes drm/always online games will add hassle to working around them , they have cracks and private servers though for some games that does solve the issue but that's not easy for every game.

[@Ms666slayer]

Actually digital games are better for preservation than physical games, data rots over time, so every single physical game will stop functioning sooner or later, but as long as there's a digital file and an emulator, the game will evtually cracked and become playable, like i said all of teh physical game will stop working overtime, even some old games have stop working, on perfect conditions physical media will have the date for around a 100 years, but that's pretty much a sealed game that's inside a vacum chamber, most games will loss the data earlier there's no actual timeframe but some of the first games like Atari and NES have lost date so maybe around 50 years would be the average.

[@robertrogdriguez392]

Funny thing is people have said this would happen years ago, to be told they’re crazy for their conspiracies. Not just for games either.

[@batboy555]

Movies sports ext its all like this.

[@Akimbo411]

We simply need a law that allows anyone who buys a game to be able to download a DRM free copy from the developer/publisher 5-10 years after the game’s release date and that requires companies to maintain these download servers for 20 years after release. People will download games and retain them

[@itsdinkd1771]

Or rather if the server shuts down, release a patch that allows p2p connection instead of turning off all usability for multiplayer.

[@Akimbo411]

@@itsdinkd1771 That might be simpler but we’re screwed if the company shuts down instead of doing that.

[@prxzmsAU]

tehn the company goes bankrupt and they cant ensure the servers stay up so we dont get anything anyway. the only way to rly ensure you own something is to buy a physical coppy unfortunately

[@Akimbo411]

@@prxzmsAU Owning a physical copy can still be useless if DRM is required to use it

[@Sadler2010]

@@prxzmsAU And when do you recall having a physical copy that didn't require at minimum an internet connection to verify and /or actually download the game or apply updates/patches. I grew up in the you owned it era, into the you kinda owned it era, and now the haha buddy, your game is no longer available in the store era we're in now.... I have two sort of recent games one has a box with key only, Rage 2(2019), and one with physical disks, Biomutant,(2021) but it is a Steam game so I cannot install it without logging in to Steam... Yes some older console titles(PS3/Xbox 360 and earlier) might still install/run offline but I haven't owned a modern console since PS2 and OG Xbox.

[@amharbingerreactions]

The scary part of this, you can get falsely banned off gaming services and lose everything. It's not common but it can happen. And if it does, you lose access to everything.

[@EpicWarrior131]

Happened to me with my very expensive fortnite account. All gone in the blink of an eye

[@dillonrossignol4592]

Happens a lot with osrs

[@amon22347]

​@@EpicWarrior131what did you get banned for tho

[@DWilliams-sf5th]

My homie had a couple of grand in movies he bought that he can't watch after upgrading to the new Xbox.

[@MK-U-N]

Well, it is quite common unfortunately.

[@epyjacek]

"Got a lot of problems with poor people, lets solve them", I spit my coffee out laughing. Wow LOOOOOOL Old baldi has excellent comedic timing sometimes.

[@inyobase127]

I wouldnt mind paying 70 bucks for games, IF they provided 70 bucks worth of content, its not just inflation, its shrinkflation. They want more for less.

[@H3rraM4juri]

no inflation has effected games too you think it hasn't but in reality it has if it has not effected then it should not even cost 70 bucks it would cost around 50 even tho some are greedy they know that inflation is a thing and its never going away neither can you ignore it

[@Psikick4]

Games have the least inflation of almost anything. My dad was spending $50-$70 on games for me as a child 25-30 years ago... same as now...

[@ShiftyRightNow]

Plus i thought of this. The game companies dont even have to pay for the disks, box, cover art, distribution. It's cheaper then ever to put a game out. You just download it!! If anything it should be cheaper or at least just stay the same price.

[@Psikick4]

But yes games have been shitty inflation actually hasn't for gamers. You can go verify all this stuff.

[@Zac_Frost]

Yeah. The new Spider-Man has DLC for New Game+ coming by the end of the year. They couldn't even be bothered to include that in the base game like every other game always has. And to 100% it, it takes 25-30 hours. In an open world game. Let that sink in. A new open world game costing $70 can be completed in under a week and doesn't have New Game+ from the start. That's terrible value.

[@SleepyFen]

You already don't own games. You've bought a revoke-able license to play them. That license can be taken away at any point, for any reason, at the provider's sole discretion to the extent outlined in the ToS that you agreed to. If Steam wanted to wipe everyone's libraries tomorrow to force people to re-buy their games, there would be zero legal protection for any of their users. This is why TotalBiscuit always advocated for GOG, because they sell DRM-free, fully download-able games.

[@Randoverse]

You do realize that's taking customers away from them? They would never do that. lol

[@RealFunnyCinema]

Luckily there are some games, like Baldur's Gate & Cyberpunk, which are DRM Free on both GOG & Steam. You can run them completely without Steam.

[@Zac_Frost]

That's why I'm glad for the way Nintendo at least does digital copies. It's still a one time payment, one time download that you can play forever for as long as you have the system. So long as you don't delete it. And if the server is still active, you can re-download it for free. That gives you a sense of ownership. Not like having it physically, but you still have the property rights to it on your account.

[@Vicorcivius]

Technically no one owns anything but the Eternal Creator of all things. If you really want to get technical about it.

[@DaxClover]

Yo thank you finally someone gets it bro these people in here really think that just because you “own a hard copy” means you can’t get banned from using any copy of that game And that can literally be applied to anything you don’t own anything you ether pay a license for it or pay a right to own it until you can’t afford it. I guess people already forgot what Nintendo has been doing for the past few years.

[@Crowdfresser]

Another big Problem is tech Companys making it impossible to repair stuff on your own. Not because you dont have the needed Tools for it or the Skills. Its a Software sided restriction that will Reject any new Part that has not been authentified for that device by their Servers.

[@brunoboldt6336]

They tried to stop us from repairing by changing how they assemble the things , stupid screw patterns, gluing things, all sorts of things, this is just one step further on the "pay me more, because yes" line.

[@razorsharpplays2619]

This video makes me feel old and I'm only 19! I remember when I used to buy CDs of video games from the store and you had to physically put them into the Computer every time you wanted to play a game and now I can just buy games on Steam and play them whenever I want.

[@justacollegestudent5147]

Same! Shoot I remember physically buying pc games lmaoooo. Going through the bs setup process. Didn’t help we didn’t have the money for a decent computer but authenticating your game was my god such a pain in the butt. Steam is a breeze compared to that and console is even easier arguably. Still I do get worried a bit about what’s gonna happen to my old games. But that’s why I do gamepass and almost exclusively buy physical console games. I figure if the games are just licenses I might as well buy it where it’s cheaper physically and then resell them when I’m done.

[@bowlock9901]

I'm 49 soon, the Intellivision was my first console. I've seen the entire industry for what it is. Support good Indie Dev's.

[@corbis7765]

Can’t wait 20 years from now we all be saying “ back in my day you could actually own shit”

[@Krysnha]

Dont worry when you read history ,everytime they try similar it colapse because revelio or society colapse

[@metallboy25]

You can do that now. 😂

[@Ms666slayer]

BTW you have never owned a game, that's a myth, even physical games are only a licence, if you owned you could do stuff liek copy it and distribute it legaly, but you can't do that.

[@elHosed]

@@Ms666slayer I don't understand why there's always someone pointing this out like we don't understand the difference between a physical copy of media vs ownership of the IP. This adds nothing to the conversation since the argument has never been about the right to distribute, but rather rent vs own and a lack of consumer protections in place on the "rental" side of the industry.

[@AnonningAnon]

@Ms666slayer 🤡

[@natedawg8778]

I will always buy physical copies if I can.

[@llort7771]

good luck on PC 🤣

[@mayconlcruz]

At least on the other hand, the PC is a free enough platform that allows you to make a copy of the files and thus make your own physical media, unlike consoles which are basically closed system computers whose mere attempt to manage program files in itself it's already a violation of terms of service. Of course, copying the files may not necessarily allow you to play them in the most plug-and-play way possible, but then that is a DRM problem, another thorn in the side of this debate about game ownership.

[@nightvision32768]

Make sure it is indeed standalone. They can sell a copy along with activation code and require you to connect the game to the server anyway, which technically allows them to softlock you whenever they want

[@goldchris1111]

gabe becomming a wizard and becomming more and moree powerful as time goes on is hilarious

[@ShazbotDesign]

I had Sega Channel. You got 30ish games and they were updated every few months. There was always a hidden game in the menus (not hard to find) but a random quirk.

[@HelloKittySGTC]

And with "automakers turn to subscription plans" it also wont allow user to fix their cars (you bought by the way) without going through the manufacturer, and they could tell you no because its "rented gear" so they'd probably have to remove. Also it possibly hinders the "right to repair"

[@archmagemc3561]

Thing is, they can be sued very easily over that if anyone wants to take them to court. And they don't want to lose that court case because otherwise the entire market plan here collapses.

[@Zac_Frost]

This is why I'm glad I have a ton of retro games to go back through whenever I want. Physical copies to boot. I'm at the point where, if I don't want to, I never have to buy another game in my life. Will I get bored of what I have? Eventually, yeah probably. But there's so much I do have, that it'd take me a while to cycle through it all. And once I hit the end, I'll probably be in the mood to start over.

[@edatihtiaz8018]

Im in the same boat so to speak. Just recently picked up a analogue pocket for all my handheld games. Really did revive a ton. Just waiting on the new 64 system they are releasing next year. Then ill be set!

[@Zac_Frost]

@@edatihtiaz8018 I have a giant shelf set with 5 shelves on it. 3 of them are full of games from various eras. The other two are full of DVDS and Blu Rays lol.

[@chrisberg2]

Im still playing Battle for middle earth 1 and 2 from physical copies.

[@davanillagorilla8428]

I see this going in the same way Netflix started, at first it’ll only be 10 dollars a month which is fine. But then there’ll increase to 15 then 20 then 25 a month. However by then most games will only be subscription based in order to play, whether it take one year or ten years down the road. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo know this and that’s why you see so many games on game passes and subscriptions now.

[@Krysnha]

Fun is pay the suscription plus the game price so games are more expensive than ever

[@mehmeterciyas6844]

You don't own your Steam games. You don't own your Epic games. It is funny that people think they own their Steam account or some shi

[@NinjAsylum]

You do own the account. You just dont own the games ON the account. There's a difference.

[@SleepyFen]

@@NinjAsylum You don't own your account either. Steam provides access to it, but they can close it at any point, for any reason. The only thing you own is your data - at least depending on what data protection legislation affects you.

[@fossilfern]

The reason I don’t have 20 years on steam this year is because I saw this shit coming a mile away and I held off getting a steam account until I had to for cs1.6.

[@calebb231]

At least I can download Steam, buy games and download them, and actually play them offline. You can't say that about any of the live services including Game Pass.

[@martinlutherking6550]

@@NinjAsylumeven that, what’s the point to owning the account if you don’t own the games on it?

[@adrianmagtoto9775]

I like the idea of subscription based content in Netflix or whatever other streaming services, but streaming videogames can be a pain because of the amount of bandwidth it consumes. You have to be really picky when buying physical games nowadays since it mostly have updates that renders the previous in-case media obsolete such as Cyberpunk 2077. Can you imagine people just streaming a fighting game (Tekken, SF)? The amount of lag in that would be bonkers that it will just kill the whole FGC if that is the direction they want to go to.

[@Ladywizard]

and most ISPs still have data caps

[@VictorHuff]

I've never seen this many people advocate for people to buy their games on GOG before. Glad to see it's getting more recognition these days. I use it as my first choice for any game nowadays, with some games on my wishlist either never getting purchased because they aren't on GOG, or only being bought if they just have basic Steam DRM that can be easily bypassed if anything were to happen to my account. I just wish there were fewer devs refusing to release their titles on GOG, even after many years since initial sales. (*cough cough* Risk of Rain 2 *cough*)

[@HellzReverend]

This issue is only a sliver of the bigger picture. Just like movies and music, what if the green/blue haired mafia decides that your beloved game needs a complete overhaul, or to be removed entirely? Gotta get rid of Duke Nukem and Serious Sam, that shit's misogynistic and full of Toxic Masculinity! Screw you, I've got my hard copy and there isn't shit you can do about it. Oh wait, Windows 365 is going to be a Desktop As A Service (another monthly/annual sub) and I won't be able to control ANYTHING I have or do with my PC, BECAUSE I NO LONGER NEED/HAVE ONE, just a thin/dummy client with peripherals and fiber connection. So, having digital local copies like GOG or pirated games doesn't solve this either...

[@VictorHuff]

@@HellzReverend As much as I like having physical copies, no matter how good you take care of them, they WILL eventually stop working due to oxidation and are tied to the systems they're made for with DRM on the disc, and those systems are limited in number once they aren't being manufactured anymore. Having access to infinitely duplicatable DRM-free copies that can be altered for future compatability with different operating systems like newer versions of Windows or Linux based ones is the best option we have for preserving games at the current moment, as far as I've seen.

[@HellzReverend]

@@VictorHuff Oh, that's true, it's been great having people still working/modding and updating Quake 2, Unreal (Tournament), and the like. I would also agree that having digital copies is also a great redundancy, because it also negates against data loss or corruption. My main argument is against companies making it difficult or impossible to have said copies in your possession, whether they are digital or hard copy, out of reach of their greed and/or ideological narratives. We see this already in games like WoW, altering/eliminating characters or scenery, i.e. changing character portraits on the walls of domiciles from game characters to pictures of fruit. While seemingly minor, where is the line drawn and who draws the line? I sure as hell wouldn't want someone to come remove or modify the paintings on my wall because someone simply doesn't like it or approves of it anymore. Just as I wouldn't want someone to remove my ability to continue to play Duke Nukem or Serious Sam because it offends someone.

[@VictorHuff]

@HellzReverend My bad then. I mistook your reply as you saying physical copies being superior to what GOG offers as a source for archival purposes. I agree. I think that, at the very least, games should be required to be sold without any DRM after a certain amount of time having passed since initial release and I hope that the Video Game History Foundation is able to convince law makers to allow a publicly accessible online library of games that have become public domain or are no longer available to purchase firsthand. Too many games are either already lost to time due to the negligence of the IP owners or are on their way to the same grave.

[@chadgarrett6947]

For ME, who is poor and 40 and has a lot of issues health wise, I don't like seeing prices go up because my job doesn't give me more money every time that prices increase. So it feels like I'm getting more and more poor the older I get which is the opposite of what our parents age people had and before them.

[@lorecow88]

Gotta break a few eggs to enslave a globe.

[@gameburn178]

You are only 20 to 25 years from whatever version of social security your country has. You will be better off retired than working. Old Age Security/Social Security is, I believe, indexed to inflation, or at least it is somewhat so in my country. Just make sure you inherit/save enough to not have to pay rent at 65. I know so many people who are relatively rich the moment they get the guaranteed money each month. If you're American, then medicare kicks in: finally, universal health care. Don't be depressed, be 65.

[@squaeman_2644]

This is the problem with Fiat and central banking...

[@jigsaucemusic]

I don’t purchase streaming services for the exact reason Asmon said. There’s only a handful of TV shows and movies that I actually want to watch. If I REALLY want to see something that’s behind a subscription service I’ll find a free stream somewhere online. I get most of my entertainment from KZbin anyways these days

[@koopasteve]

Its actually so insanely easy to find the stuff for free anyways I agree it feels useless to get a subscription.

[@timothymoore2966]

yup I just watched a full slate of Saturdays college fb games off of just my internet bills alone. Like Asmond said imagine ppl being dumb and think about how much dumber they actually are

[@gameburn178]

I added KZbin's premium to avoid as many ads as possible... so far it is the best money I spend. Wish tv had had this option years ago lol.

[@Onlyfightingme]

“And when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer.” Video game companies right now.

[@Gunnumn]

roms and iso are the best of both worlds. while they might not be physically tangable, you at least have the file on a drive. i have a massive drive filled with games and movies i access too.

[@agntprometheus]

28:24 No, because I always wait for stuff to be 75% - 80% off before I add them to my library

[@j0nnyism]

Same here. I pay next to nothing for my digital library. I will only pay more for physical games.

[@Astrojammer]

One thing no one ever mentions with sub models is the actual impact it has on the products themselves. It could very well be different with games being naturally longer form, but I think a big part of the decline in writing for shows these past few years has been because these companies just want to put out 'content'.

[@jackbower9087]

The decline of movies and shows is because of clownifornia and ESG

[@friendguy13]

@@jackbower9087 Exactly, Asian movies and shows are doing just fine. Something like Squid Game would never have gained such traction in the west 10 years ago no matter how good it was. But now, Hollywood movies are so terrible that normie Americans are willing to watch subtitled foreign media.

[@millirabbit4331]

​@@jackbower9087that is the biggest leap I have seen in this discussion

[@collenjets123]

@@millirabbit4331 Its not a leap when every new show that seems to come out is trying to peddle propaganda at the cost of the writing.

[@jackbower9087]

@millirabbit4331 yeah bro it's a leap when quite literally every show is chock full of forced DEI, Woke language, h0mos, boss girls. Effeminate men, and mixed race relationships (less than 1% of the population). Super totally normal, no agenda what so ever.

[@shuttze]

As if you own them now, 1 click and you lose access to all your games on steam, uplay ect

[@atgblue1]

I buy only on Gog, and don’t use gog galaxy. I have all files. Have it backed up on external HDD and do what I want with those physical digital copies.

[@ShiftyRightNow]

Plus i thought of this. The game companies dont even have to pay for the disks, box, cover art, distribution. It's cheaper then ever to put a game out. You just download it!! If anything it should be cheaper or at least just stay the same price.

[@aidankelley2696]

as long as you can always personally purchase a game to use outwrite i have no problem with the subscription model, because it creates assessibility for people who really like gaming and cant afford to buy a bunch of game so instead they pay a monthly subscription to play what ever game is on that site, i think thats a good thing because you can spend very little money to try 100s of dollars worth of content, if games are being gatelocked behind a subscription, thats where i got a problem, because it forces a subscription to play

[@aiodensghost8645]

I still buy my games outright because my internet sucks for streaming.

[@slaycg2536]

Unity would be closer in comparison to something like Autodesk, which for those not familiar is a suite of software used in architecture and drafting for the construction industry; it would be like if they said every building developed using their software now costs you %5 of construction to be paid direct to the company. Absolutely insane for that kind of product but because games are a digital format they can get away with it.

[@craigmcpherson1455]

Doesn't Autodesk make you subscribe anyway? I understand paying every month for being able to call an Autodesk rep for support but a small business may want to pay a one time license fee per PC while figuring out the nuances internally.

[@twistedcherrypop]

This is happening with tv shows, I tried to buy a blue ray of a show and now you can only stream it online to a channel with a sub. Greedy companies just wanna get as much out of you as possible. It has also been happening for years with ebooks.

[@lorecow88]

It's not greed, not in the way you think anyway. More like pure, unhinged malice from a bunch of control freaks.

[@NoName-tr3vs]

Torrents and VPN sound like a good combo these days ;)

[@zetagundam20x]

Pirate it, burn it on a blu ray dvd and don’t give them a single penny

[@minigunner1218]

It’s a little more nuanced than pure greed. These companies have prioritized user growth over profits for well over a decade, to a loss. Now investors are wanting their money back, and the companies are freaking out because they never considered working out how to properly monetize their platforms like they should’ve in the first place. Removing physical media is one method they’ve employed in a desperate attempt to make back that money. That said, I think it’d be deserved if they start losing their customers en masse. They discarded the notion of creating quality products that people want to buy in favor of spoiling people into becoming captive customers. Hopefully starting-up companies can learn from this.

[@smallpiper2]

As a guy barely still in the market, this will push me over the edge. Maybe even get some jailbroken versions of what i already have and run them on a offline PC. There's no reason to put up with this.

[@Driven2Chonk]

I had Sega-Channel in 1996 in AK even. It wasfucking great! It was just routed and piped in through the cable AUX into a regular game catridge. There were staples games that were always available (Sonic games, Golden Axe games) But then there were like 40-60 rotation games in different genres. Good times.

[@itsdinkd1771]

Definitely good times. I found a sega channel ROM and turned it on my sega emulator and holy shit the nostalgia rush. .

[@ryanrex297]

Way ahead of its time.

[@ShazbotDesign]

This is how things are trending, monthly subscriptions instead of just buying a game and owning it. It's happening with the adobe products, Corel draw products, and many other industrial tools. It was just a matter of time until this happened it games and I have a feeling Xbox (Microsoft) is going to do it first. You just pay a monthly fee and you get games. I got a feeling they could even do something like a golden monthly pass where you get new games first or something like that. It's going to happen.

[@fragdq]

people hated Steam when it got released. People hated that they had to use it for starting/playing games back in the days. Somehow nowadays people praise it like its gods gifts. Weird, isn't it?

[@MLIIKNAD]

Have thought about this for a while now, I want to buy an old tv and play games on my disconnected Xbox classic in a cabin I the woods and also watch dvd’s or even better VHS!📼 Everything would feel like a live concert, it is running now, on MY disc. No commercials no distractions. I could play halo split screen or LAN Diablo 2 or Half Life on old pc’s! I would feels so free

[@premejon8300]

The first system my 7 yr old ever played on was my old game cube, the sheer disappointment in this kids face when I told him they don't really make cd disks anymore. Something about owning the real game even mattered to him! lol

[@gunkid6368]

you dont need to go to a cabin in the woods to do this unless you crave the isolation you felt when you played these when you were younger

[@MLIIKNAD]

@@gunkid6368 For sure! But it adds to my idea of getting away from being online for a while! It gives me a stronger sense of “here and now”🔥 I have no proof that the cabin actually would add to my happiness. What i want in fantasy isn’t necessarily what I truly want🤔

[@kawkasaurous]

Vhs physically decays. If you have them back them up.

[@Beanskiiii]

@@MLIIKNAD do it then

[@thalus5990]

Having single player games being online only should be illegal. Why someone that lost internet for some reason can't play his games. What harm to developers it would be to have offline mode in their games? Piracy? like it is hard to bypass that for them. You could do 1 times authentication when installing and then never ask for internet again. I lost my internet for short while and 2 of my 3 installed single player games did not work and i have them just for that reason but problem was bit bigger and Internet on my phone didn't worked either.

[@lorecow88]

It probably should be illegal, but I don't see it happening any time soon. They're trying to get people used to the idea of not owning anything, a little bit at a time. It's like boiling a frog alive.

[@brut1ful828]

"You'll own nothing and be happy" - World Economic Forum 2016

[@Leignheart]

Yep, good thing these guys aren't gonna be a problem, soon. Just watch and be happy. Worlds gonna be looking bright.

[@Brabant076]

@@Leignheart I forgot my sunglasses. ☹

[@Zac_Frost]

@@Leignheart Hm?

[@trolololololll]

​@@Brabant076i got that reference😂 , but kids wont

[@distorq]

The WEF does not have a ‘stated goal’ to remove everyone’s private property by 2030. As addressed in previous Reuters fact checks, these claims likely originated from a WEF social media video from 2016 that stated eight predictions about the world in 2030, including: “You’ll own nothing. And you’ll be happy. What you want you’ll rent, and it’ll be delivered by drone.” (here) Danish politician Ida Auken, who wrote the prediction in question (here), said it was not a “utopia or dream of the future” but “a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse.” In a written update, she clarified that the piece aimed to “start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development. When we are dealing with the future, it is not enough to work with reports. We should start discussions in many new ways. This is the intention with this piece.”

[@nahCyzar0520]

Products on streaming services will benefit from activity however products that are a one-time purchase benefit from sales meaning ones on streaming can die off from inactivity and ones with one-time purchases can die off from lack of sales.

[@TheEffectOfMass]

it's funny, I went from being a big supporter of digital only to now preferring physical again. The Subscription model has always felt a little off to me, and now with some libraries being shut down I don't really trust it.

[@102ndsmirnov7]

Subscription services are evil. When I want something I want to own it forever. I just hate that everything is becoming a subscription service.

[@lorecow88]

Replace WEF-backed politicians and the situation should in theory reverse.

[@Asara-k7e]

I agree with you as well. I still have game time for World of Warcraft even if I have basically stopped playing the game for more than a year because too many changes to what I remember what WoW was I felt occurred. Though this isn't about WoW even if I pretty much dislike the game now. Point is I still have some game time which I bought without having to sub. Not sure if now that option is totally gone and you have to sub in order to play Wow in the future. If I buy games I feel I should own it.

[@dieengie337]

I mean literally anything you do on the internet is subscription. The problem is with abusing that fact, not with the fact itself

[@squaeman_2644]

At least subscribriptions are technically services, this is like a dealer taking your car back after 5 years or something... There is a difference between goods and services...

[@Nesratoth]

for the game pass I have been happy in a first time but the fact that when they retire a game you continue to pay the game pass but you cannot have the game you want, I just continue to buy one or two game by years, the real problem for me is the number of service you need to subscribe, we have the game service, the film service, the anime service, the music service

[@FREDERICKEUSEBIO-d3q]

Not being able to is bad. Not having to is good. This is why Game Pass is fantastic. It doesn't replace the ability to purchase and own the product. It simply provides an avenue for trying the game first.

[@jrobertlysaght]

I like how you talked about a deal like this with an ethical company is fine... until something goes wrong. Netflix wiped out Blockbuster, right? No Problem, because the basically were a replacement. But then, they started shifting from paying for a backlog to paying to produce their own content. Result, no access to older movies. A friend at work watched a newer Eddie Murphy movie, and I told him, 'ya gotta see trading places.'. Ok, where? No physical copies anymore, so I can't loan it to him. No Blockbuster to rent it. And Netflix no longer maintains a robust library. So that movie is essentially lost to new viewers. When VCRs came out we couldn't believe you could watch a movie whenever you want. Now we are regressing.

[@entropy404]

The one thing I don't understand is why certain software doesn't have a non updatable perpetual license option, it's not like it prevents piracy or something.

[@GonthorianDX]

Been calling this out since they started the game pass and similar things on day one, you own nothing and as soon you stop paying your corpo you lose it all

[@arcfuryt1843]

GOG also had DRM free versions of a lot of games. So you own them.

[@Mcrexdoom]

this is why physical non live service games are still the best, finally people are talking about this again because technically everyone's just throwing away their money with rent to play which those companies can just take away from you anytime they want and worse there are those with rent to play plus DLC plus battle pass plus gacha etc... and in the end they can just take all of it away from you eventhough you paid for it, this is also why i will never play subscription based games like WoW, FF14 cuz you dont own anything, and you still pay monthly/annually to play a game that you dont own, that the company can take away from you anytime they like.

[@joejo4549]

I mean people pay a sub as they feel it's worth it, mmos can't just sell a game once and carry on development. Xbox game pass is great value, only issue is if it gets worse content and major price rises. If i pay £10 to complete a £40 game by the time I feel like replaying it that game will be less then £10 likely

[@LastMinuteGuess]

We’re all going to die. I don’t care about owning it forever as long as I get to enjoy the experience of playing the game.

[@joejo4549]

@@LastMinuteGuess lol pretty much

[@alexstreet9470]

@@LastMinuteGuessThe World Economic Forum approves this message . Now get back in your pod and they will send you one extra cricket rice meal today .

[@kani-licious]

people are really just obsessed about ownership when in the first place they play games for the experience. Like wanting to own online games even though its impossible to since they are not a static thing and is constantly updated with content how does that make any sense? it just reeks of materialism

[@Jirodyne]

Ultimately, the issue of comparing Video Game Subscription, to Movies and CDs, is that I can STILL go out and BUY a DVD. I can STILL go out and BUY An Artist's Album. BUT, for MOST VIDEO GAMES, I can NOT go out and PHYSICALLY Buy and OWN them. It's just impossible. Because of this, I feel that PC should be treated as OWNERSHIP and NOT LICENCING at all. PERIOD. For ANY Digital Program. Cause they have the TECHNOLOGY to create files and programs that CAN NOT BE COPIED, they have the Technology to TRACK the owner and if you are the owner. With games tied to an Ownership Account they can 100% make games OWNED by you. They just chose NOT to do it. And to me, that should be ILLEGAL at this point. Either FORCE every single game company to Release their games and patches as Physical things to buy, including DLCs and Patches for them. OR remove all Licencing bullshit, and GIVE US OWNERSHIP OF THE GAMES.

[@cyberfamed]

They could add queues, time limits, different subscription models like netflix and ads of course.

[@LaughtersHouse]

The only thing I don't like about not physically having a copy of intellectual property is post creation editing or censoring or whitewashing. I don't like the idea of a future culture censoring a piece of art or a creation because of its own understanding of what's okay and not okay. I like to see what the original intent of the creation was for.

[@InMooseWeTrust]

The original ET had police holding guns and the blu ray version has CGI walkie talkies

[@zackphy]

Gamecrazy was usually connected to Hollywood Video and had an entrance inside to go between both stores. Blockbuster also had the same subscription as them, though(Hollywood itself did as well), pay like $15 a month and you could rent and bring back games(or movies) as many times as you wanted. I remember there being 2 options, 1 at a time and 2 at a time. Blockbuster was the first to have this I believe and Hollywood followed soon after. Man I loved those stores as a kid and as soon as they started that service I got my mom to get it for me, it's how I was able to play every single game Blockbuster had for PS2, Gamecube and Xbox.

[@Jojilikesgames]

I do agree that Steam is very very fair to its users, I've been using it for 10+ years for a reason and spent 8k on games. But like you said what happens if they just decide to change that?

[@The8bitbeard]

There's no real reason to worry about that. Steam is very well established, very profitable and has proven resistant to other disrupting forces. My account is 19 years old, and I expect I'll still have it in another 19 years. The ones you should be concerned about are less established platforms like Epic, where they still haven't made a profit and in fact they're losing money every year. At some point they'll have no choice but to cut their losses.

[@thesword1995]

@@The8bitbeard True, Steam will not change if they are succeeding with their current model but all of that is thanks to Gabe for caring about his customers, but if after many years Gabe dies and a new president comes to Valve with greedy intentions, then we are doomed

[@MightyCats2011]

Can Microsoft or big corporation buy Steam? Then change Steam to a monthly subscription fee in future.

[@Unchainedful]

Yeah everyone keeps relying on Gabe, but the man can’t live forever and he will have to be succeeded eventually. It’s the person who comes after him and what their intentions are. As we seen with Unity, which was all for the small developers and fair pricing to having a new ceo that was all for the money. Someone can easily come in after Gabe and completely change Steam, and just like Unity you will be forced to except it or lose out on thousands of dollars you sunk into your game catalog. Also regardless of what people say, yes Microsoft has much more than enough to actually buy both Steam and Epic games together, and after what happened with Activision, that’s not entirely in the realm of impossibility.

[@craigmcpherson1455]

​@@UnchainedfulCorrect. Gabe won't live forever. Maybe he can pass the torch to someone who cares about serving their customers first. But the temptation is too great to sell to a holding company and retire at a young age. At that point Valve will eventually ask for payment to play your library of old games.

[@Sadler2010]

I have been considering this conundrum lately myself being an "owner" of around 450 Steam games. I like the GOG model where you can download a local installer, no achievements , online features, or updates and only for non live service, non MMO games. Just consider something happens to the internet and you have only access to your installed offline capable Steam games, and Steams backup is as I understand it the complete install folder/image so you'd need hella TB's of storage to archive all of them...

[@MrAudioCrack]

There is never under any circumstance a right to steal someone's money.

[@gubzs]

These industries are ruining themselves. Movies too. They see "Recurring revenue increases the money we make per product" but what they don't see is that customers buy _way_ less stuff when they're billed monthly for it. Sure, you'll get 150% profit from one of your games, but the other three won't sell at all anymore.

[@stuartriddell2461]

You are spot on. I used to buy DVD boxsets of tv shows, they were usually £20-30. Now I just just sub for a month and binge everything I want to watch. As a perfect example, I just subbed with paramount for around £7, I watched Picard season 3, Tulsa King and Yellowstone then unsubbed. Next year I will do the same again. I doubt I would have bought Yellowstone or Tulsa King on DVD, but paramount lost out on the £20-30 I would have paid for Picard. Perhaps they are hoping most people will subscribe then forget about it.

[@parafox7302]

110k views on this video vs the 16k views on the original. Can't help but feel bad for the original video. Act Man made a video about waiting for content to bloom before people react and re-upload the video. Can't help but feel like this video is a week early

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

This is why I don't use Gamepass other than for a single month at a time to try games I am not sure I want to buy on Steam or not. It is already bad enough having digital only access or always online games but having to subscribe to my own library indefinitely? Hell no, get lost.

[@thehatter9400]

Just wait until you also have to pay monthly for the online pass to play multiplayer on top of the monthly sub

[@statesminds]

Game preservation and ownership is important to me so sucks the future we are headed towards

[@meknassimohamedamine82]

just buy the game you want to own then hack the game and boom you have a copy in ur pc or usb driver for " life " . paid the devs and you got a good deal

[@miciso666]

gaben: if we offer a better deal than pirating. people will buy our games. gaben literally gave a safer option to get games cheaper and better. because if u pirate u could download a virus and brick your whole system. or risk personal stuff. also i liked gabens stance on adult games. at first he said no. but then he said sure. otherwise people will buy off shady sites. and thats a thing he didnt like. plus this way he profits MASSIVELY ever since adult games where allowed. i stopped going to DLsite. for some games.

[@bpeel]

owning iconic games could possibly go the same route as owning vinyl records

[@frederico-d3l]

its already like that xd the retro consoles and games prices go up every day.

[@JoenHarlver]

@@frederico-d3l it depends some games are still priced at 4-9$, some consoles are still cheaper than release prices & then u have some stores that buys from every seller online to artificially hike up the prices so they can sell it for 3-4x the ebay prices (& we all know what site does that) so in 20 years that might be actually interesting how the overall market interest is. ps5 will be considered retro too then, same as xbox series s/x with backward compatibility playing games from the OG xbox

[@bretton_woods]

or indeed anything physical that really exists in real life... always better to own a hard copy if you truly value something

[@cmike123]

So, we are just gonna ignore the person walking into Best Buy with a cat on their shoulder??

[@GizmoTheViking]

@11:28 Mercedez has a subscription wall to unlock the true potential of their vehicles ? WTF I literally had no idea about that, but just 1-2 months ago I was mentioning to my dad that at one point in the future all the electrical cars will be running on subscriptions. Where eventually you won't be allowed to drive your own car that you have already payed for and own, unless you sign up for a monthly subscription. There will probably be tires. Tier: Unlocks the car in general so you can drive it. Tier 2: Charging the batteries will be faster. Tier 3: Your car unlocks it's full potential. If you don't pay the subscription, the car already comes with software to automatically log on to the internet through a satellite while standing still and just shut down so you can't start nor charge the car anymore.

[@misitzi5780]

I love the way you comparing the gaming era with the economic situation we lives rn! At young age, I would love to understand why these decisions was made! But never comprehend them because I was blind by the econimic situation ! On the other side, I live more sad because I kinow everything is running to money! This is the part I hate the most because Money don't belong with art in general... even Creativity. Support Indies games to ladder down these monopoly company!

[@lorecow88]

It's not about money, it's about control.

[@vladys001]

I can see the next step: everyone pays for subscription AND you have to buy games additionally

[@porqpai7082]

Wasn’t that called Stadia?

[@triangle1332]

The Costco model. Billion dollar idea.

[@CC-of5xl]

That's been the case for like 2 decades lol. Xbox Live didn't give you shit. Atleast gamepass actually gives you games

[@gameburn178]

A bit like Asmon's trademark game: World of Warcraft: sub plus you buy expansions... oh and microtransactions increasingly, lol. This is the world you live in already Asmon.

[@vladys001]

​@@CC-of5xlit's different experience for me: I buy games in steam, I play them as much I want. Not even close to sub and then pay for each game additionally. + EGS is still giving away free games, sometimes even really good

[@TheRutefly]

"We hold the right to remove access to all your licenses, but we wont do it ofcourse, so relax. We're using this sales model becuz .. science. You wouldnt understand. But trust us." Such nice people.

[@lorecow88]

One can only hope that people will rediscover how to distrust authority figures.

[@sssveden]

Well we don't really have a choice there. My take is that I pay for games to support developers, if Steam blocks all of it, I go for piracy

[@alphenhousplaysgames4565]

at it's core, i think there are two problems that need immediate resolve. 1. ads. just straight up ban buying anything that has ads for it. 0. cold turkey. 2. after purchase transactions. if i buy 1 thing, that's it. everything concerning it should come with it.

[@Oishipotato3554]

nowadays, i bought the game twice. not only because i am collection hoarder but i still love to own something while still loving steam. i wanted to play something that are like decades year old just to reexperience the game that i love back in the day legally, so the subcription service literally serve me no good than just short term access.

[@GlitchSystem-xf7jb]

Death by a thousand cuts. Do you think with older consoles still out there that maybe small personal companies might start popping up to develop games for the older consoles?

[@joejo4549]

It's completely pointless to do that, just release for pc.

[@HighTide.Sunset]

I don’t think so sadly. Wouldn’t be too viable and wouldn’t have a big enough market.

[@novroch]

Well, there was a Indie studio some years ago that released a game for the Dreamcast. So while not impossible, I think most would be just a reward for backers.

[@joejo4549]

@@novroch yeah probably like below 100 sales it'll be more of a personal project

[@oKeNSchWarZo]

Does anyone own ANYTHING anymore? Or are we all perpetual indentured consumer slaves, just to be able to function in society at this point?

[@lorecow88]

Yes, that's the point. They're not even trying to hide it anymore.

[@othmanebouhouch1035]

The games owns me

[@Amy-gf7je]

Fr 😭

[@gregpittman1700]

DC wiring is pretty easy, Mercedes paid features can be bypassed with a 10g wire. Or you can pay monthly for heated seats if your into that.

[@cheezzco1]

Why is the price of a game purchased online cost the same as a physical copy? When the company doesn’t have to pay any of the manufacturing or distribution costs?

[@justindowney2054]

THERE NEEDS TO BE A SERVICE THAT LETS YOU SCAN YOUR PHYSICAL COPIES into DIGITAL COPIES, as well as a service that offers you discounted physicals on the digitals we own.

[@boom7713]

you dont own games today if you buy on steam or other drm sites

[@velocity1238]

If you outright purchase a game that has an online license it is your responsibility to know that you receive email receipts proving you own the license to play if and to have it taken requires very specific things. Such as cheating, pirating etc. At this point you still own the game so long as the service exists. And most often when service ends it actually just means no more officially supported multi player for the game. Unless the company is so greedy they go scorched earth and attempt to remove the game from existence and take legal action against anyone still playing, maintaining third party servers and modding the game. This does happen sometimes.

[@boom7713]

well, then i might try to resell my games. oh.. @@velocity1238

[@Agent-mb1xx]

Louder for others in the back!@@velocity1238

[@zabibdante9961]

Steam = PC . Console users buy physical copies . Its a minority who. Buys digital games. Players should always have choice to buy any format they want

[@bugz552]

@@zabibdante9961all a physical copy does now is act as an access key to download the digital version

[@Acrathor2]

You won't own games anymore, games will own you.

[@MarioLeCarre]

Not since I quit Destiny 2 mate hehehehe

[@martinrosendahl9134]

The games you own will end up owning you... (GamerClub)

[@HeroOfJusticeYT]

Im13andthisisverydeep

[@leeuwengames315]

for live service games if there is a single player experience in it or has the posibility of forming lan's then those also should belong in the permanent buy category since you don't recuire outside infrastructure for it.

[@dieengie337]

What we need is to bundle all of these games up. Cause if GTA 6 will be only on R+, then it will be literally paying for nothing, if you arent interested in their older games. The same if AC was only on Ubisoft.

[@bitmau5]

I owned an Intellivision, Coleco and Atari console in the 80's. That's right. I'm an older gamer than Zack and still have my hair.

[@bonbarmandrink]

Gog exists btw

[@DTreatz]

Not "owning anything and being happy about it" is one of the greatest reasons the *2nd Amendment* exists. OWN those guns, and keep them. Make sure the 'elites' always have to worry about their _Sword of Damocles_ falling on their heads.

[@slickydee5507]

Now that my Steam library is so valuable I do sometimes worry about what happens after Gabe, all it would take is someone with a slightly different moral compass to really do a lot of harm, and there are not many like Gabe in the world of gaming business

[@randalesomosagey9979]

so that is why, I think I see this in the Play Store about the monthly membership to play some games but Play Store will pick what kind of game you should play in your monthly membership

[@Shipx7]

Every regulation that you think helps you comes with 100 things that hurt you. Like with the cars, the reason a company can get away with subscription based services that no one wants is because they are practically a monopoly. The answer to that would be to DEregulate the car market so that NEW companies can put a car on the road without having to spend half a billion dollars crashing them over and over. Most monopolies that we see exist because of the barriers of entry stopping new competition, which is why all these companies SUPPORT regulation of their own industry.

[@lorecow88]

Exactly. Very well said. It's depressing how many people get this wrong, but I guess that's the power of propaganda.