20140221 晓说第二季 第四十六期 虎啸南天:对越反击战35周年祭

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[@lincguo9405]

我爸打过对越自卫反击战，我爸打进越南了，然后我听我老爸说，一打进去，结果发现很多物资都是中文，就是那时候抗美援越中国支援的～

[@craigcao3416]

向您父亲致敬！保家卫国，好男儿所为！

[@user-ob7so6ii1t]

我老爸54军的。杀入凉山。

[@user-ob7so6ii1t]

侵略 怎么啦 ?曹尼玛的。。

[@user-ob7so6ii1t]

来，我外公打抗美援朝，劳资当了12年兵，安德里北街21号，来抓劳资这个战犯来。！劳资家里三代战犯，艹你妈。 来抓劳资。煞笔轮子。滚你麻痹里去

[@changxu3517]

在中越边境，越军挑起武装冲突，派遣武装人员越界侵扰，在中国领土上进行武装行动，制造了浦念岭、庭毫山等事件。同时，越南撕毁1958年北越政府承认东沙群岛、西沙群岛、中沙群岛、南沙群岛属于中国的声明，占领南沙群岛96%以上的岛屿。

[@quanngang653]

越南刚从与美国这个大国的20年战争中走出来，经济疲惫不堪，又被美国及其盟友围攻和禁运，柬埔寨波尔布特大军出动后，越南并没有太平多久袭击了该国南部，造成数千名平民被屠杀，越南不得不发动反击，许多主力师必须立即前往柬埔寨战场。 令人难以置信的是，中国人认为越南以北部山区省份的少数当地士兵首先主动进攻中国，你有脑子，你一定会思考，对吧？？？

[@user-nm3sw2kp7g]

你是越南人，你还是没想明白，跟越南打战，是中国跟苏联交恶很多年的结果。你得懂那会中国跟苏联关系早就不好了十来年了。其中一起扶持的越南摆脱美国侵略后，马上一边倒向苏联对中国南北夹击。

[@user-gi7ob9yy4i]

打仗不需要借口吗？你是煞笔吗？

[@zhengxiong1458]

大家都有脑子，只有你没脑子

[@user-rx6cc9rq4i]

这场仗是个邓的投名状，替美国出气。普通人才没啥看法呢

[@julie9353]

就是侵略没啥说的，可怜那些将士，为了自己的使命牺牲，但使命欺骗了大家。

[@guifangjin8152]

好功力！頭腦冷靜，有啥說啥，不給統治者塗脂抹粉，佩服！

[@qisai8748]

讲的不错，很客观真实.

[@tommycotton940]

八年后来重看，这战术打法和核酸防疫真的是同宗同脉了

[@user-uk9qm4vs9c]

我老家有个老朋友是越战下来徐志友亲自用茅台给他敬过酒，今年差不多快七十了，听他说当时越南人很不好打，下雨山上留的水都是红的。第一场战争的时候中国人是没少伤亡是因为陆军和炮兵一听见炮想都乱了。后来适应几天就好了，当时他一个加强班才回来五六个人，后勤休息一个月又掉到前线当侦查代理排长。清理越军的堡垒，他说有一次五个越南人打中国一个营的兵力，最后他们消灭了越军看见一个女的胳膊受伤了。几个当兵的用刺刀挑起来，

[@user-jk9gf5gb5u]

竟放屁

[@user-te9uv3ox3h]

@hill loku 蒋亿地是个反串狗，不用鸟它

[@user-ez6tq4wp2g]

徐志友是哪位😮许世友吧，三个字你错了两个，还把将军的姓都改了，你可真行😂

[@howardhao2345]

How are you Mr. Gao? We wish all fine and well. Please stay safe and healthy. We miss you.

[@thomassun2559]

非常精彩，谢谢！还希望你能讲讲被俘士官们的结局

[@Flzuuu]

抗美援朝那期有说过，结局非常惨，中共没人性的

[@user-qj2eq9en4c]

观念我的青春啊，当年直追的节目😢😂

[@alangreateng5820]

好節目🎉

[@user-ck2oz1lt8t]

讲得太好了

[@anthony3276]

八年！一直是你最精彩！

[@user-rf1xb2ri7x]

想念高老师

[@user-yb2zb8up6k]

点赞 同意 不能忘记那些为国牺牲的人

[@fengsellos730]

高老师随便听了几个段子就来讲！对不住坐着的大沙发

[@kxw8727]

时间好快

[@user-wu1hs6ku8g]

我小学二年级因为户口不在北京被逼遣返回云南，走之前爷爷奶奶就说要打仗，但也没办法，到了云南就看到一路的火炮坦克。之后读书的年代隔三差五就让所有同学带小板凳听英模报告，很快就听烦了，各种口音，好多是完全听不懂，但已经听明白了，有一堆自伤自毁骗军功的，还有就是趁机解决仇恨的，最著名的当然就是徐良，向自己首长打黑枪又被别人黑枪打成高位截瘫的。

[@xjhajun1]

徐良不是那个央视的英雄吗？哈哈哈哈，可见央视真心不能看。春晚的时候还专门一段时间拿他特写来歌颂哈哈哈

[@freeart9417]

@@xjhajun1 他说的话有什么依据你也信？

[@minhdo0911]

Alo. Vừa ăn cướp vừa la làng😅😅😅😅

[@davidhan1198]

了解了那一段历史

[@user-if4zy6fc6e]

支持高晓松老师

[@wettingfairy6764]

10：00时候刻意回避了西哈努克和红色高棉的区别， 一遍接待西哈努克，一遍支持红色高棉，看似两边下注，结果两边不讨好

[@thymesu2821]

别的不说，这位口才真好。希望还有机会能回来做节目。

[@user-mn9tl8zx3w]

矮大紧知识丰富见多识广

[@user-mp7gb4vq1p]

这个傻逼就是个脱口秀演员，

[@user-ei8on3ek7l]

没文化只能练好口才了，不然怎么忽悠你们这样的😑

[@user-rs7pe6us9k]

​@@user-ei8on3ek7l井底的蛤蟆就是自大，告诉我，你有什么文化？

[@user-qp6vw2kw6q]

​@@user-ei8on3ek7l瞧你那揍性

[@weitan5386]

说得对，不能忘记一些人。

[@nguyenthanhtrung869]

Các bạn Trung Quốc nghĩ gì về cuộc chiến tranh biên giới Việt-Trung 1979, tại sao các bạn lại nói đó là cuộc chiến tranh tự vệ trong khi bộ đội chủ lực của chúng tôi đang ở chiến trường Tây Nam Cambodia. Chúng tôi lấy đâu ra được lực lượng quân đội để tấn công các bạn, hãy suy nghĩ!

[@minhdo0911]

Việt Nam không lấn 1 tấc đất Trung Quốc mà lại xỏ xiên là tự vệ.

[@minhdo0911]

Xỏ xiên

[@nobodyjs6726]

想回到2014年

[@forloveandpeace]

傻逼

[@liella2145]

一直喜欢小松

[@DAD13693]

名是自衛反擊戰,實是侵略行為,主要原因两個:1,越南揮軍打擊赤柬波爾布德集團,打越南可改救波爾布德;2,向美递交投名狀,聯美抗蘇,改革開放。 享受荣華富貴的是一衆高官老爺,老伯姓等來的只有失去親人的悲劇。

[@hsl2335]

放尼玛屁

[@orebroa4387]

老百姓等来了改革开放，生活发生了翻天覆地的变化。

[@thanhthuyang9697]

Bạn nói đúng

[@minhdo0911]

Chuẩn

[@minhdo0911]

Bạn chuẩn

[@user-ck8xp2hd9x]

不管别人怎么说你，我还是挺喜欢你的。

[@user-vx2bn3nc4f]

因为他讲的很多事实，只有搞臭他，才能降低他的影响力

[@suilpark9970]

很有眼光的人。

[@hoanghungminh8984]

Rất tiếc không có phụ đề 😂😂😂

[@user-sd5he4zy5p]

我家一位亲戚，当时在黑龙江雪地里面趴了一个月。当时的命令就是“南打北防”

[@user-ul8do8uf5z]

哈哈哈防蘇聯

[@chenminlin8248]

本人有軍事背景，越南戰略，誘敵深入，後打補給線！

[@yuguangai7516]

以后只能在KZbin上看你了。

[@user-tu6mz1qf3q]

😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

[@guoxhs]

这货有啥好看的？

[@derenggefu802]

@@guoxhs then why are you here?

[@xiaowang651]

@@derenggefu802 问得好

[@azero5403]

@@derenggefu802 路过

[@russellrock3594]

推荐看看448团突围的亲历者老鱼的《兵败如山》。

[@binhuangkk]

非常棒

[@user-mr7ru5zq6s]

我以前的部队坦克查履历簿上面都有记录，在哪里受损，被什么弹打的，对照履历簿查坦克还可以找到打的补丁，基本每个坦克都有洞

[@user-tx3ce6us4o]

As you all know, Americans have the most modern weapons in the world, but when they fought in Vietnam, they failed miserably, the blue slot war was the highest number of American soldiers killed in any war that the US had fought. have participated until now a history lesson that they still remind and never forget at all times when the president talks about the green slot campaign in Vietnam. China invaded Vietnam in 79 with the pretext of self-defense, but in fact China mobilized a large number of troops to attack 6 border provinces of Vietnam while Vietnam was helping Cambodia fight the Khmer Rouge. Cambodian and Vietnamese civilian killers China supported the Khmer Rouge and supported them to fight Vietnam. When the Chinese crossed the border to fight, Vietnam was left with only border guards and local militiamen and farm workers who stood up and took up arms to cooperate in combat, the Vietnamese elite were now in Cambodia fighting the Western border. Nam and the Khmer Rouge could not return in time. the Vietnamese militia and self-defense forces they did not have enough equipment when merging with the main soldiers and the border guards, they were as agile as the soldiers, they realized that the Chinese soldiers did not have a battle strategy, Cowardly, and do not know how to fight, that is only fighting with militia and self-defense forces. If they meet Vietnamese elite soldiers, China will suffer many times more damage. Visiting the old battlefield, the Americans still don't understand why Vietnam has a series of battles that cause the US and China to die so tragically, many soldiers return every time they think of the war in the jungles of Vietnam, they are terrified. How their comrades fell is a haunting error for them all their life, they have always been afraid of the Vietnamese forest.

[@minhdo0911]

Trong khi nước Việt nhỏ bé không lấn 1cm đất nào mà bảo là tự vệ. Công nhận diễn hề giỏi thật. Vậy mà mị được dân nữa chứ.

[@minhdo0911]

Họ diễn hài giỏi quá.

[@realchinachina2539]

战争没有赢家！越南死亡远高美

[@wangqian466]

所以战争真打起来就得狠！不然很多优柔寡断的死伤

[@user-fb8up8ij3q]

高晓松是我最喜欢的艺术家，文人，他的晓说在中国是最受欢迎的节目，同类节目无人能及，可惜在体制的铁拳下再也无法在国内看到他了

[@user-tg1uf8vj3w]

正常。现在国内粉红当道。

[@user-rx1sd5xu1b]

@@user-tg1uf8vj3w 台湾不是哇军当道？

[@xli848]

高晓松还真是一角啊。

[@kellykelly318]

我小时候就听说这场战争 以至于成年后澳洲留学 看到越南同学还觉得心有余悸

[@user-gw3ke4zh9r]

你怕他们！

[@user-sy1zp2lb4e]

你汉家儿郎，有什么可怕的？

[@henrywong741]

没有这场战争，改革开放不会顺利，你也不会有机会去澳洲留学，不要圣母

[@jason.xxx5543]

@@user-gw3ke4zh9r 人家可是玩过真AK

[@user-ig8bh9mu8s]

你怕什么?

[@bluebloodfish]

我去，这已经10年啦😮

[@zeytutu8236]

七年了，我看了这么多年

[@Mr390101]

UI agony ot rhythm and u we tra

[@binshen7105]

@@Mr390101 jj

[@yunqingsun2855]

我也没想到2022年我还在看高晓松，国内现在还有啥可看的

[@fan6387]

已经7年了，时光飞逝啊

[@tomatojin6115]

当时两个阵营的内部关系，用一句话来概括就是“君子和而不同，小人同而不和”！好在现在“小人”所剩无几了！

[@fanghuawen68]

是啊我们现在

[@fanghuawen68]

一切为了不被

[@hanshuangmuyun6275]

说的这么公道为啥在墙内还被禁言？

[@ngflycloud]

你这不是自问自答么？共产党要你说的是公道话？

[@user-jk9gf5gb5u]

@@ngflycloud 都是野史，完全是反动言论，他自己一直都被人讨论有问题

[@Daddandan]

共产党讲公道？

[@user-jf6mk6cx5f]

@@user-jk9gf5gb5u 反动？你正着动动我看看

[@niusooker9704]

@@user-jk9gf5gb5u 秽史掩盖了正史

[@user-iz5rm7vz2l]

不错

[@xiaoyouwang6837]

飞夺泸定桥是杨成武

[@mingsun7261]

说的太好了。就是语速快了些。谢谢！

[@Freezesun2007]

ABC吗？我是2倍速看的

[@user-tv9zf4br2z]

为天地立心，为生民立命，为往圣继绝学，为万世开太平

[@user-zw2ei7td7z]

太酷了

[@7785bghbh]

只有他在讲，烈士的不易和我军的英勇，结果就他成了公知，讽刺不讽刺……呵呵，喊口号的还不如一个文化的传承者，这是一个什么政府！教育出来的什么国民？！

[@xijinqianhua]

这期节目真是高晓松的滑铁卢

[@-_-jiaan]

滑铁卢应该是印度那集

[@user-qj2eq9en4c]

9年前了时间过的太快了😂

[@user-vm5eb6ij5t]

1.痛打了越南后，换来了10几年的中美蜜月。 2.强化了邓在军队的领导力。 3.震慑了苏联

[@ymoduki]

我想提醒你思考一個問題，你算算視頻中講我軍負面內容的佔到多少比例？不是說那次戰爭中沒有負面的點，而是，如果一個節目，面向大衆的節目中，絕大多數時間都在講我軍的失誤、錯誤甚至所謂不正義，那你要想想這個視頻講解者的用心是什麼。（這可不是我軍內部總結經驗教訓的節目）。

[@ymoduki]

@@LiH-jt7ik 還有，有事說事，把說濫了的玻璃心掛嘴邊只能說明你沒有自己的思考，也不禮貌

[@ymoduki]

@@LiH-jt7ik 西方怎麼講，那才是最不可能客觀啊，因為牠們是多年的敵方陣營，唯一的態度就只能是抹黑啊。向牠們靠攏會是客觀的？不敢苟同。

[@ymoduki]

@@LiH-jt7ik 所謂玻璃心往往被用作無賴型的邏輯詭辯術，我說你的壞話，你不可以反駁，否則就是玻璃心……這是百分百純正的混蛋邏輯

[@ANDREW-zj2qq]

事实而已！直面自己的不堪，知耻而后勇你不懂？

[@user-yq9dk8no9s]

讲的真好！学

[@user-qr1zu9kk4j]

我们已经几十年没打过仗了，感觉现在我军的战力堪忧啊

[@daniellelu2783]

希望政客们多打点嘴炮就好，不要让普通老百姓们去填命。

[@yunlongju6640]

要相信政府背后有大智慧，₍ᐢ⸝⸝› ̫ ‹⸝⸝ᐢ₎

[@yu-pingd.oyoung2099]

高老弟加油💪！十四億中國人惟一敢說真心話的！大哥欣賞你！ 下次耒德州先通知一下！大哥請你吃德州大牛排🥩！

[@jiongfang9581]

山东德州

[@slmtek437]

@@jiongfang9581 🤣

[@user-zk1dw9lb1p]

拉倒吧 德州扒鸡有什么好吃的

[@marcochiu4046]

人家矮大緊高級人 都吃日本A5和牛 誰跟你吃下等人德州牛仔啊 笑死

[@jha2866]

你错了，这个是地地道道美国人，与14亿人为敌

[@jianweihuang828]

对越作战部队穿的解放鞋是专制的。鞋底有防竹签的钢板，高帮解放鞋。比平时的解放鞋要重许多。

[@andantel8061]

你往鞋里放个钢板看还能走路不？那种解放鞋只是鞋底厚一点而已，缺点是脚很快就磨破没法穿，完全是浪费资源

[@meilingzhang17]

请问我们现在有军衔了吗？

[@omgoo7131]

能在中国讲历史，10句话里有8句是真话，就很逆天了。所以别太认真的当历史看。

[@szsz1906]

你说的炮瞄雷达实际上炮兵定位雷达，可以根据敌方炮弹的轨迹算出发炮点，这是瑞典70年代初期产品。中国通过第三国得到两套。越战中，越南派特工潜入雷达站，炸毁了其中一台。有关资料，在“文学城”军事栏目可以查到。

[@dcho5057]

文学城已被轮子攻破

[@mcliu741]

矮大紧这方面还挺专业，他清华学雷达专业，虽然退学了

[@user-fm8kc4gg7k]

你不用和他说雷达的事儿，他比你专业

[@user-st5oe2tz3d]

用粟裕大将多好的

[@dongminzhao6707]

别的不说，内部的结论是：未完成第一阶段作战任务

[@kenbuna925]

国内 小松已经被封杀了，来这里看看，有些东西说的还是不错了。

[@orebroa4387]

没封杀吧。不是还上央视被网友骂到下线么？

[@lefront1989]

还是喜欢

[@bio6270]

哎，到了今天，我也44了

[@nguyenhaotran7145]

There were 4 families in a suburb call “the World”: America - the richest and most powerful, China -the second richest and powerful, Vietnam - a poor but brave family living in a house just in front of China’s, Cambodia - a poor family who live in the right of Vietnam’s house. Not long ago, America intruded into Vietnam’s garden and beat his wife and son badly for some unclear reasons, Vietnam stood up and chased America out of his garden, although he got several injures. During that time, Cambodia told China about his will to erase his current family to free himself for a new marriage and got China support. China gave him money to buy gun and promise to keep quiet. While Vietnam was putting bandage on his wife’s and his own wounds from the fight with America, Cambodia quietly came over to Vietnam’s garden and stabbed Vietnam’s son who was playing there. Hearing his son’s scream desperately, Vietnam rushed out to see his son in a blood pond. He could only have enough time calling his wife to take care of the poor boy and ran followed Cambodia. Cambodia ran back home and locked his wife and daughter in a room, shoot one of his son in his head, beat the other son till dead, and kept hitting his wife and toddle who were tied to a chair. Vietnam was in front of Cambodia’s house knocking on the door to ask Cambodia out to talk; in reply he could only hear Cambodia’s wife and little toddle scream in dismay. The whole neighbourhood heard the scream. China turned his music loud pretending he could not hear anything. People from other nearby houses peered their heads out of their windows asking what’s happening? America knew Cambodia’s wife and children were in danger but because all of his hatred to Vietnam he just hoped Cambodia would kill Vietnam too. So America shouted to everybody to get back to their houses, nothing wrong. At this state, Vietnam decided to break into Cambodia’s window, ran through the kitchen, up to the bedroom where Cambodia’s stabbing nonstop his wife. He broke in the room, fought Cambodia to the floor, got shot in his leg but managed to tie Cambodia’s hands. China saw it all, he ran out in front of Cambodia’s house and shouted to all neighbours, “Vietnam intruded Cambodia, I’ll teach him a lesson”. And there he ran to Vietnam’s house with his son holding the sharpest knives that they have; they broke the door and immediately stabbed Vietnam’s injured wife and son. Vietnam’s wife bravely fought back, got many wound but managed to badly injure China. Vietnam’s wife let China and his son to withdraw and she hurried back to her son who was bleeding on the floor. On the way out, China and his son destroyed the whole Vietnam’s kitchen. In front of Cambodia’s house, all neighbours were drawn by America and China and were shouting at Vietnam who was inside, condemned his action as an intruder and asking him out to give his hand up. Nobody care to Vietnam’s wife and son who were begging for help just nearby. Vietnam untied Cambodia’s wife and toddle, gave them a knife to protect themselves, and then decided to go back home to take his wife and son to hospital. When Vietnam’s gone, all neighbours got in and called police to catch the already tied Cambodia. On the way Vietnam drove his car to hospital, people yelled at him for his intrusion into Cambodia’s house. Sometime later, Cambodia’s wife and toddle recovered, and now lived in the house with no man. China is tempted by Cambodia’s wife, they have kept flirting recently. To bribe Cambodia’s daughter, China have bought a lot of sweet for her. This naïve little girl enjoys the sweet so much that now she likes China more than anyone else. And as her memory about what happened faded away, she even starts learning Vietnam hatred from China. At Cambodia’s tribunal, he was the only one who faced the verdict, the one who gave him support was not named. America and other neighbours got medals for their courage acts. Vietnam’s name was never mentioned. However, in some of their accusation, Cambodia’s wife and daughter blame Vietnam for intruding into their house and ask for his compensation for their broken windows and doors. When being asked about “gratitude”, they answer “We could have been able to free ourselves without Vietnam’s intervention” There were 4 families in a suburb call “the World”: America - the richest and most powerful, China -the second richest and powerful, Vietnam - a poor but brave family living in a house just in front of China’s, Cambodia - a poor family who live in the right of Vietnam’s house. Not long ago, America intruded into Vietnam’s garden and beat his wife and son badly for some unclear reasons, Vietnam stood up and chased America out of his garden, although he got several injures.

[@thanhthuyang9697]

Thật chính xác..Thanks fr VN..Mỹ ,China luôn là nạn nhân của VN thế mới tài dù VN nhỏ bé tý ti..Họ luôn thắng ơn Tivi..Ở VN có câu..Vừa Ăn Cướp Vừa La Làng quả đúng với 2 kẻ đạo đức giả này.

[@minhdo0911]

Một câu chuyện hài hước và thâm sâu. Rất chính xác. Và đó là sự thật.

[@user-go3dw1hh4r]

不得不说，高桑说的也有点道理

[@huzeng1766]

最后被围的那个团最惨，听一位老兵口述主要的原因还是指挥的不协同，后面已经宣布撤军也不好再出兵救援，只得各自突围活着回来的人不多，活着回来的人多少也受歧视，每次听这位大爷讲起来令人唏嘘

[@simonz2468]

我表哥当时是福建炮兵副连长，他连队抽调了20多个人打越南，一开始中国损失惨重，死亡比是7:1，而且越南主力在柬埔寨。

[@user-fs7wo7gi7h]

@@simonz2468 都是十七八岁的娃娃兵

[@stanleyzhang3319]

@@simonz2468 当时最精锐的甲种师都在东北西北一线防苏联进攻，越南都是乙种师战斗力不行

[@user-zv3kf3tq6t]

宣布撤军就不对，应该再深入，达成停战协议再撤兵

[@braveheartzhou2176]

那样会被打的更惨

[@duncankong4438]

30:47 - 32:24 避雷

[@gunitaka5270]

回味

[@gigiwang6976]

希望世界和平，不在在站争。

[@tu18hua61]

去吧！當時有個軍事研究初期就是死了6萬。然後才開始注意兵种協同

[@user-go8kz3mw9d]

直升机多珍贵

[@user-josan0222]

越南是厉害国的未来

[@misrsino2010]

每年都应该给哪些在解放战争、朝鲜战争、对越自卫反击战、对印战争等中牺牲的烈士们颁发国家补贴，不能让烈士们又流血又流泪。

[@jackchou1425]

I don’t agree.

[@user-sc2vh8ri9t]

发了，我爸去过越南，但没开枪就回来了，每个月都有补助。还有一个，说出来你都不信，他在很小的时候随口给游击队员指点了一下，就这一件事，每个月发几千块钱。

[@mihbag6]

Đó là cuộc xâm lược Việt Nam khi Việt Nam khó khăn nhất. Trung Quốc thật là bẩn thỉu

[@sontung0088]

Lũ Trung Quốc xâm lược, đánh không được lại bịa đặt bảo là mình bị tấn công. Thật nhục nhã. 1 nước nhỏ lại dám xâm lược nước lớn ư? Người dân Trung Quốc thật ngu đần mới tin những gì chính phủ của họ nói

[@dali7714]

可惜了 刚开始的几句话一语成戢

[@bernardliu8526]

交惡的惡字，應該怎麼䜖 ？

[@forrestfreeri794]

1、谅山离友谊关距离大约仅仅15km； 2、从友谊关到河内沿途仍然蔓延着无际的山区！ 所以撤军是无奈之举！

[@user-ly5cg3sg2s]

都打到河内门口了，河内已经开始搬家了，无奈个啥？

[@forrestfreeri794]

@@user-ly5cg3sg2s 谅山离河内还有125km，而且还有无数的大山。 从友谊关打到谅山15km打了多久？死伤多少？？？

[@user-ly5cg3sg2s]

@@forrestfreeri794 越吹连点逻辑都不讲的吗？如果真像你说的有无数的大山，PLA死伤无数，无力进攻河内，那河内慌根毛线啊，至于发出了全国总动员令，在河内市区挖掘防御工事，各国外交代表团也开始向河内以南转移？从柬埔寨撤回来的越军正好来教训PLA嘛，至于像个跟屁虫一样远远地看着PLA大摇大摆地回国？不是说好的打到南宁过春节的吗？！

[@forrestfreeri794]

@@user-ly5cg3sg2s 老子走过那条路！

[@-2627]

@@forrestfreeri794 牛B

[@user-fk1ru8rp8v]

当时对越南是闪击，因为越南重要轻重工业基地和我军了如指掌，因为大部分都是我军援建的，这一仗直接使越南工业倒退三十年，然后就是秒退出腹地开始老山拉练，轮番训练军队，而且打之前邓公已经搞定了国际各方面关系，结果就是越战之后我国经济指数增长，越南一蹶不振，邓公威武

[@niusooker9704]

死了的人不能重新读取档案

[@user-hg5rp7pw7d]

哇 你真是又紅又專啊 你今天還這麼粉紅嗎？中國人非正常死亡人數、死與人禍的數量、當你在其中的時候你還會相信它的謊言嗎？醒來吧，中國人被騙了這麼多年，該醒醒了⋯

[@ucngocnguyen8938]

你的想象力非常丰富。 事实上，越南几乎所有的工业基地都集中在海防市周围，它位于北部边境的后面很远，我们有几千年的战争史，世界上没有一个。这个世界比中国人更了解越南人，所以越南人没有在北部边境附近建立任何工业基地。 中国进攻越南的目的是拯救红色高棉（中国政府为了在越南南部施加压力支持中国而创造和抚养的孩子）。 中国人在只遇到越南边防军和民兵的情况下，用人海战术烤了很多军队，并没有达到任何目的。 事实上，越南在柬埔寨已经10年了，所以不能说中国攻打越南拯救红色高棉是成功的。 越南在1975年后的艰难发展，主要是因为中国与美国联手长期阻挠对越南的禁运，而不是因为中国摧毁了任何一个产业。 总的来说，中国领导人对我们来说，他们是地球上最邪恶的人，甚至中国领导人自己也阻止我们统一国家，并想让越南像南北一样保留国家的两半。韩国作为它就是现在。 你是不可靠的，无论你使用什么技巧和计划，你已经、现在和将来都会被越南人打败。 你们在东海的阴谋现在不能得逞，中国虚构的九段线永远不可能实现。

[@user-jn9ju3df4u]

@@ucngocnguyen8938 还是对你们太好了，让你出现幻觉了，我们现在还给你们提供电了，弥补你们的电力不足，别尬吹了，看看两国的发展状况就好了，你们唯一的地铁线也是中国人给你们建的，现在你们还在接手印度的二手小军舰，你骄傲啥呢？要不是中国，你们国家早被美国驻军了，真以为自己多牛呢，这都2023了，见过现代战争吗？真要打你们跟玩是的，你还在那放狠话，笑死了，你们最应该感到幸运的就是你们最大的邻国是个爱好和平的国家，真实的历史就是你们真的挺贱的，别作了

[@f.w975]

​@@ucngocnguyen8938自己照照镜子。中国是垃圾，政府黑暗，但是要说越南，还是算了吧，照照镜子吧猴急啥呀猴急，猴里猴气的，好好照照镜子看看你们的那个垃圾国家吧。

[@wxylhpxy2001]

文山，屏边的烈士陵园看到烈士的年纪很多才17,18岁，入伍不到三个月

[@user-iy3zv5uv2s]

松哥有才，说的笑里带泪了

[@henrygu6149]

你敢笑？

[@hongshengliu8212]

感谢小松还原历史，把真实的历史告诉我们，一个士兵才给3百块钱太寒心了。

[@uchiha8139]

真实历史？高晓松就是个说段子的，对历史一知半解，任何政军历史up主都比他讲的明白。还中国划了条线美国不能过因为中国空军给压力，当时中国的空军算个屁。2000年人家还在我们家门口撞掉我们飞机，害死我们飞行员。美国不过17度线是因为曾经在朝鲜中国说别国38线，美国不听，被没有空军的穷逼志愿军血虐，这次美国吸取教训，采纳了中国的友情建议。

[@user-ff7rb3cc7z]

@@uchiha8139 给爷整笑了，你懂不懂？当时距中国国境线30英里处就是禁飞，中国有防空导弹，最重要的是美国害怕中国又陆地干涉。

[@uchiha8139]

@@user-ff7rb3cc7z 给爷整蒙了。防空导弹是空军的吗？我还以为你要指出我哪里说错了，结果你最后一句说的意思跟我一样。你再读一遍我的话把，小学语文没学扎实啊。我说3+3=six，结果你看不懂，还自己整笑了，然后一本正经的说3+3=六。

[@vbhe9608]

@@uchiha8139 你有病吧，你防空导弹算不算空军这是重点吗？你要是喷高是段子手，你说点逻辑错误，别他妈抓点3+3=6还是six的错误

[@uchiha8139]

@@vbhe9608 这是重点啊。中国当时空军就是摆设，高晓松说中国空军给美国很大压力。你阅读理解有问题。我完全是在对牛弹琴。现在不是在讨论什么，而是你完全读不懂我的话，然后你自己自言自语一番而已。你挂个号看看脑子吧。

[@deafmute8239]

男声旁边居然是庄河口音，太扯了吧，高兄咋选的？

[@yuqiantian6714]

能追加吗？

[@weimingliu6893]

听了晓松的节目有几年了, 还是学到不少知识. 看到今天的晓松, 哎可惜了.

[@user-no7xt9be1x]

高晓松挺好的 得罪人了被 你懂的

[@KingerHammer]

这样的人被禁了也好，国内的很多人不值得享受这么优质的资源

[@rdcsg]

@@KingerHammer 啥乱七八糟的

[@xxuserq]

@@user-no7xt9be1x 別陰謀論，他被封是輸出扭曲價值觀的原因。

[@user-we5su9ef2c]

就是街头说评书的！漏洞一大堆！说什么五十年代后再没打过仗！62年打印度不是打仗吗？69年打苏联不是打仗吗？这货的话听听就好，他说的是评书单口相声

[@weimingliu6893]

晓松的节目在 2010 到 2015 年的时候还算可以的. 今天听当然有些民族虚无主义.

[@user-xb9gi7gy2w]

历史虚无主义

[@suilpark9970]

才子

[@stephenhu118]

挺热的穿个皮衣，还真是矮大紧😂

[@user-we5su9ef2c]

穿个皮衣，扇着扇子，这货太装逼了

[@user-rg5uv1td3g]

不是都下架了吗？这里怎么还有？

[@louispeter4483]

对付白眼狼，只能用雷霆手段

[@user-fm6bn9ln2j]

社会主义国家不是永远是对的么

[@minhdo0911]

Việt Nam không lấn 1 tấc đất mà rêu rao là tự vệ. Toàn diễn viên hề đẳng cấp quốc tế.

[@fungtaito2036]

真正懂歷史和正視歷史的都不會用《對越反擊戰》之名，正確應該説:是懲越戰爭。

[@Randolf-xe7iu]

角度不同。惩越战争角度是主动的，是表面看起来强大的一方打击弱势的一方。 对越反击战则是被动的，大形势下苏越军事同盟建立，苏联陈兵百万越南"世界第三军事强国"南北两面夹击中国。越南还提出了一统中南半岛的雄心壮志，并且已经轻松攻占了老挝军事控制了柬埔寨，对泰国缅甸马来西亚跃跃欲试。中国是被动的围魏救赵的反击，把越南主要的工业区给一锅端掉，并且十年轮战拖死越南的工业发展。

[@Randolf-xe7iu]

强国的第一要素是广袤的国土，以色列再强没有美国他也是个亡国。 中国是不可能允许南部再出现一个国土广袤的强国的，苏联解体是1840年以来中国地缘战略安全的最大利好。俄罗斯自然强大，但是当今中国安全和发展的最大威胁还是美国，所以一个过于弱小的俄罗斯不符合我国当前利益。联俄制美是接下来至少二十年的基本战略

[@minhdo0911]

@@Randolf-xe7iuViệt Nam yêu hoà bình và không xâm lấn ai. Trường Sa và Hoàng Sa là của Việt Nam bao đời nay.

[@huangb57]

这战是送给美围的投名状。

[@user-gj2ht2ok7n]

感受你 對中華國民國 的情懷~本是同根生~~只因派系的分化~造就今日的分~~人民需要時間來教育~進化~良藥是（時間）~~~

[@leonlee6391]

怀念80、90年代，那个时代港台是真的可以推动大陆的发展，带动某些变化的。今日……一言难尽！

[@forloveandpeace]

八年了，每次见到你的抱枕，都能冲一发

[@user-sj7vo4jo5h]

兄台口味够重

[@lisainthemetaverse]

晓说的节目很好，不过配的动画里那个方言实在太难听了

[@user-fg5kc2zg3e]

一将功成万骨枯

[@bingwei734]

又是7年过去了

[@Flzuuu]

当年每期都看……现在真的是，今非昔比了唉