YOUNG LeBron Fan Faces The Truth On Why Michael Jordan Will ALWAYS BE The GOAT.. Mind Blown!

[@BixBy-u5w]

Huuuuuge difference. Bad Boys Pistons' Jordan Rules: Put MJ on the ground when he gets to the paint. Spurs' LeBron Rules: Dare prime LeBron to shoot the ball. 😂

[@ridieboo8403]

LOL

[@Arrowflynn1897]

I’ll tell you why I don’t like lebron and it has nothing to do with his playing ability. He complains he doesn’t have enough help, while he stands around watching the other team play 5 against 4 and gets upset that they get scored on. He cries to the refs not calling fouls against the defense when he misses a layup and complains to the ref even while the game is still going on. He quit on his team and walked off the court when J.R. Smith lost track of the last few seconds of the game and then losing in OT. He left the bench in a game that he and Davis were sitting out, Because they were beating the Celtics and Davis stayed and celebrated with his teammates. There’s a lot more I don’t like but I’ll save it for some other time.

[@Durwood71]

All of that, plus he's a mediocre player who has one move: take four or five steps straight to the basket while elbowing the defender out of the way. And he never gets called for traveling or an offensive foul.

[@cenanation123456]

Flopping, China incidient, he make have taken steroids in the past, Lediddy, his son isnt NBA ready

[@Bmc661]

Give him a break all that Frequent Flyers awards he gets from Travelling to mars is a lil stressful for him

[@ChrisE25]

Horace Grant and Steve Kerr were role players. Kerr didn't even start. LeBron is a great player but stacking superstars on multiple teams and the 2011 Finals make it impossible for me to consider him even in the top 5. He did beat the Warriors once but he has also lost in the Finals twice when he was on the better team.

[@marshalljankins4526]

Even though it's easier to score today because of the rules. Still nobody has had a 3000 point season since Jordan...

[@blaqattaq2496]

🫡

[@arcticjoe5532]

With all due respect, no one has ever, or will ever have, a 3000 point season. I figure that you mean career points. If you play longer than everyone else, you can do that it's not as big of a deal as it sounds. Jordan 10 to 1 in leading the league in scoring, that's pretty much case closed with all due respect.

[@marshalljankins4526]

@arcticjoe5532 : You figure wrong. Wilt and Jordan are the only ones to have a 3000 point SEASON. Do your homework.

[@CabralCreates]

He retired in 94 after the his father was murdered on a car jacking, he played baseball because that’s what his father truly wanted so it was like giving his dad what he wanted, then he retired in 99 because the GM of the bulls said Phil Jackson was going no longer going to work for them so Mj said if he’s out I’m out. He said the same when the GM wanted to trade Pippen for Tracy McGrady the guy was loyal.

[@blaqattaq2496]

Facts 🫡

[@kawaihui3922]

never a debate... no one can compare to Michael Jordan

[@Chill1Ez]

Grant and Kerr were roll players

[@ShaunTheNavigator]

FACTS.... That's not an apples to apples, or even an apples to oranges comparison.

[@manuelvillarreal2267]

My boy with he had Grant and Kerr, like he was gonna make a long list only to end with " I don't know anyone else."..... exactly the point 😂

[@charlesjonesjr.864]

Dude compared Horace Grant to Kevin Love😂😂😂

[@Cpski4]

Good comparison

[@michaeltrenier]

@@Cpski4 not really. Ho Grant could never do what Love did in Minnesota. That man was a MONSTER. Horace Grantwas a decent midrange shooter good defender and rebounder. He’s a ROLE PLAYER not a leader. Love had to fit in the Lebron James system and become a spot up shooter like everybody else

[@michaeltrenier]

@@Cpski4 what does glen rice have to do with Love and Grants comparison? Glen Rice was my guy man great player. I don’t see wheat he has to do with this discussion.

[@Cpski4]

Replied to the wrong comment mb !

[@michaeltrenier]

@ Fa sho! Haha I’ve done that bro. Peace!

[@aramhamparian9641]

LeFlop ain't even in my top 10. I saw Bird, Jordan play. I saw Lebron play. Both Bird and Jordan trump LeRoid on all fronts.

[@Cpski4]

You As a fan that seen all three of them play in real life games would know…. Appreciate you sharing fam 💪🏾💜

[@UnKnown-fi7gf]

Yes sirrrr...🎯💯

[@donny_clevOH42o]

i watched all 3 in their prime, 1. jordan 2.lebron 3.bird 4. kareem 5. kobe Lebron was flawed like every other player mentioned besides Jordan. Lebron will NEVER be on Jordans level, but lets not discount him taking a bunch of role players to the finals, or losing his top 2 teammates like in '15 and still balled out and made the finals interesting, then 2016, wins a championship against the best regular season team of all time. Lebron was and is an all time great, many obviously don't like him, but this is just a fact. All that being said, id still pick Jordan, Bird, and Kobe over Lebron to take the final shot. But as a whole, Lebron is solid at #2.

[@nickbutler7550]

@@donny_clevOH42oLeBron at number two? He’s not even in the top ten!😂😂

[@donny_clevOH42o]

@@nickbutler7550 thats your minorty opinion, most, if not all people with basketball knowledge agree that Lebron is #2. Fact is most who say he doesn't crack the top 10 is biased based on hating Lebron, likely politically, which is fine. But be real. all time scoring leader, will be top5 in assists all while averaging almost 8 rebounds a game, a block a game, couple steals a game. And dude been in the league 21 years and still one of the better players in the league. You can hate him all you want, but he is a multi generational player, only Jordan can say he is definitively better than James.

[@younghero80]

Him playing so long and not winning is hurting his goat debate it like a participation trophies you don’t get no credit for participating you got to win that’s what goat mean. the best at winning.

[@Cpski4]

Now you’re going somewhere with this one can’t lie🤔….

[@TheIcemanthomas]

@@Cpski4I been said he should retired either after 2016 or the 2020 finals.

[@edwardperkins3204]

Lebron played longer and like u said, he should be King of stats. If Jordan played in the same era with the same amount of advanced medical treatment… Jordan would played until he was 50 at a high lvl.

[@ChiNoles84]

Here's something that blows my mind. To a man every single James fan your age and younger constantly say "LeBron James is my GOAT because I grew up watching him" and then you'll turn around and completely dismiss and argue with the fans from the Jordan era who watched them both throughout both of their careers!!! That's baffling to me and it makes absolutely ZERO sense

[@Cpski4]

Lebron is not my Goat Kevin Durant is It’s Mj realistically but me as a player I love kd…

[@ChiNoles84]

@Cpski4 I wasn't necessarily talking about you bro. I made that statement because 99% of your generation makes that statement when trying to defend or justify their reasons for picking LeChoke James!! I'm a massive Larry Johnson fan followed up by Kevin Garnett and Olajuwan, but even with Jordan not being my favorite player doesn't mean that I don't think he's the GOAT. I feel like that's the problem with your generation. The vast majority of you think your favorite player has to be the GOAT instead of being unbiased and just saying "Look Jordan's not my favorite basketball player but that doesn't mean I think my favorite player is better than him"!! Jordan's NEVER been my favorite player but I've always known there's never been, isn't now nor ever will be better than Michael Jordan PERIOD!!

[@savagedragon5839]

​@Cpski4 this is a bad goat comparison video.... to see a full breakdown between mj and bron search the best goat comparison. The video is like 45 minutes. But the guy breaks down all the stats and has 5 criteria for being the goat. It's a really good video and every thing is explained on it

[@ryanfagan5886]

​@savagedragon5839 I try bringing video up with people debating on social media I bet none watch it cause they don't like facts. It's obviously outdated a bit now but a lot of it still applies great suggestions for anyone thinking LeBron is even close. He's not a bad player just not in that discussion and shouldn't be.

[@savagedragon5839]

@@ryanfagan5886 i hear ya

[@My-by]

Steve Kerr came off the bench!😂

[@sk2790]

steve kerr is not, but could be kyrie? this is the type of nonsense lebron fans spew just to support the insecure claims of lebron being the goat or even in the conversation of it. lebron is a great player and in my top 5 but anyone who ever watched jordan and lebron play will know that its not even a discussion.

[@chopndrop2013]

Kobe is the only player that Jordan said would probably beat him one-on-one. The fact he never brought up in the GOAT debate. Kobe still has more titles than James, so yes Kobe definitely stepped up and attempted to fill them Jordans.

[@stevehayes7988]

Agreed. LeBron is not better than Kobe

[@changchang8690]

6-0, with 2, 3-Peet’s. I mean…

[@mflint41]

No one ever talks about the 2 3 peats!

[@monocyte2210]

I think we often forget that MJ was a championwhen he was in collge

[@iraelliott8936]

I have lebron at 12

[@shaheempashua6924]

Hate or no hate There were no lies told in that video🤷🏽‍♂️

[@davidvetere4120]

The eye test tells us there is no comparison MJ is by far the better and more skilled player and anyone thats honest about it will say the same thing lebronz self promotion for the goat is very sad. I feel that if lebalco would have went to college for a few years he might have devloped and learned how to play the game of basketball the correct way and not be so lazy.

[@bobscavone4228]

@@davidvetere4120 well said. # 2/3 shot himself in the foot by saying he is the greatest. He might have the greatest workout in the game, but that's only to keep his ass from getting as big as his head.

[@GershomSeventyEight]

The media is why most don't like Bron. They built him up and didn't let his performance stand on its own. That said, it may be argued he's top 10. But not in my book. Because he has never been a player who fights when it looks like there's no hope. He gives up and makes excuses. Doesn't have the heart of a GOAT.

[@blaqattaq2496]

Jordan did it the EPIC way🔥

[@RenardGarzaro]

Jordan never played with a player who commanded a double team.

[@russelltreadway]

MJ is actually 9-0 if we count the Olympics and college. Never lost in the finals.

[@wyzeguy_23]

This is just a little insight on how MJ is still ahead of LeBron.

[@RobertWeigelt-df6lb]

MJ NO1 BY FAAAR 😊! LeFraud/Choke/Flop is KING OF TURNOVERS! (BTW players like WILT are bigger/stronger than LeDiddy)

[@kanej33]

MJ is the goat.. 🐐🐐🐐🐐+ he won NCAA title also

[@awbean5254]

CPSKII, 1. LEFLOP, LEBRICK STATED HE IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME! 2. HE CAN’T CLAIM BEING THE GREATEST IN HIS ERA! 3. HE CREATED A THREE ALL STAR TEAM WHEN HE WENT TO MIAMI WITH HALL OF COACH & OWNER PAT RILEY & COMPLETELY FAILED UNDER THE FINALS PRESSURE! 4. DWAYNE WADE WAS THE FRANCHISE & LEADER OF MIAMI, WHO STEPPED BACK FOR THE SO-CALLED GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME TO FLOURISH! 5. MEAN WHILE CLEVELAND DRAFTED KYRIE & IT KYRIE’S TEAM & LELEECH CAME BACK TO CLEVELAND THEY GOT ALL STAR KEVIN LOVE & RODE ON THEIR GREATNESS TO A CHAMPIONSHIP! 6. THEN HE WENT TO THE LAKERS & MADE THEM TRADE ALL THEIR FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS & YOUNG PLAYERS FOR RUSSELL WESTBROKE & ANTHONY DAVIS! 7. WHERE EVERY LEFLOP JAMES PLAYS HE NEEDS AT LEAST THREE ALL STARS HELP TO WIN… 8. A G.O.A.T. PLAYS, DEVELOPS, PUSHES PLAYERS INTO GREATNESS & TAKES THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE TEAM’S SUCCESS & FAILURES! 9. AN OPPORTUNIST SEEKS TO STEAL THE GREATNESS OF OTHER GREATS & THEN SELF CLAIM THAT HE IS THE GREATEST! 10. A NARCISSIST NEVER TAKES RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TEAM’S FAILURES. THEY BLAME & CRY OUT FOR MORE HELP INSTEAD OF DEVELOPING!

[@jlshine17]

“I was born in 2005 and what I seen was legendary” says this guy. WHAT!!! Typical LeBron fan. Absolutely wet behind the ears.

[@Cpski4]

Broo 😂😂😂

[@jlshine17]

@Cpski4 It’s just that like most of lebron fans, u have absolutely no clue what’s legendary or what’s the greatest. I mean how could you, you’re barely able to drink legally. Lebron is a good player but he’s no where near being on MJs level. HE SIMPLY NEVER WAS. Oh and I mean no disrespect to you. U are young but if you saw MJ night after night like I did, and then had to see lebron up til now u’d be laughing at anyone who claimed lebron was the goat. He never lived up yet alone surpassed MJs greatest. He knows it too. Longevity doesn’t equal the greatest aka “goatness”. U wouldn’t use that line of thinking in any other sports either. He has played 21+ years and STILL hasn’t achieved what MJ did. Oh and u can’t be the goat with 4 out of 10 championships. Good news is I believe u are starting to see the light though.

[@pawelgorniak8550]

sorry kid, for too many reasons to list, your idol isn't even top 100, I personally dont have him even in top 200. Horace Grant?? Steve Kerr?? Grant was below average, you never heard of him before MJ, he rode the coattails of Shaq and Penny in Orlando, Steve Kerr averaged 5 ppg for his career. Comparing them to Love and Kyrie is disrespectul and ignorant. Some of MJs other 'great' teammates include; over the hill Ron Harper, career journeyman BJ Armstrong, Kevin Sellers, a below average bench player, Charles Oakley who had a couple of ok seasons in New York with Ewing and Starks. Toni Kukoc who was a decent shooter and great FIBA player for Croatia, but in the nba a decent roleplayer, Stacey King, a nobody, Wennington and Longley who did their minimal job on the title winning Bulls in the second three-peat. Rest of the players were so bad, you would have a hard time finding anything out about them. Oh and of course Dennis Rodman, who by the time he got to Chicago was washed up and nobody wanted him. David Robinson and Tim Duncan couldn't put up with his antics anymore so they cut him loose to Chicago. Longevity especially on steroids and cheating the game by strong arming organizations into getting him help illegally, doesnt count

[@darastarscream]

James is a generational talent and a great player. That is inarguable. But that's not the bar we're discussing. Greatest To Ever Play The Game is the standard under discussion, and LeBron James doesn't meet that benchmark. It could be argued he's not the greatest to ever play his *position*, never mind greatest ever (Bird at SF, he'd smoke LeBron like a cigar).

[@phillipcho699]

LeBron is not better than kobe

[@dryames4319]

Thank you

[@arcticjoe5532]

Time dictates that Lebron will never accomplish a 3peat, let alone retiring to play another sport for a season and return to a team that went downhill without him and come back and bust another 3peat, that should pretty much close this case. Nothing can be said that could overshadow it. Total points doesn't mean as much as titles. 6 to 4 and 5 to 4 for Kobe #2 at least compared to Lebron who I don't hate. I hate the disregarding of all the info that tells you the truth that you don't want to accept and remain delusional.

[@terminatah500]

He’s not top 5. Mj, Kareem, Majic, Bird, Kobe, Roberts, Duncan. Ramon doesn’t have a bag. You would think the dude would at least get his FT up , TO down, stop traveling. Fan twisting up like pretzels trying to change the facts.

[@boomtownJ]

Nobody comes close! Will never come close!

[@paulmayes76]

Double doubles mean nothing when there's no defense and they don't win who's guarding him to stop him from just getting easy stats nobody weak era no talent

[@Cpski4]

Back then defense wouldn’t even guard players outside the three point line please stop it 😂

[@Cpski4]

U wanna know why ? Cause they weren’t enough SKILLED PLAYERS WHO COULD SHOOT the ball lol imagine curry playing against that defense LOL

[@paulmayes76]

@Cpski4 nobody rarely shot three's so this era is still weak and soft

[@russelltreadway]

​@@Cpski4Dell Curry, Mark Price, Reggie Miller, Steve Kerr, Dennis Scott, Glenn Rice, Dale Ellis, Dan Majerle, Mitch Richmond, Tim Hardaway, Vernon Maxwell, Jhon Starks, Chuck Person, Hersey Hawkins, Larry Bird, Dana Barros, Terry Porter, Joe Dumars, Nick Anderson, Rex Chapman, Steve Smith. Have you heard of them?

[@newbuck319]

While in college, Jordan WON The National Championship there as well.....WINNER!

[@arguseyed9982]

Haha - Horace Grant = Kevin Love and Steve Kerr could be a Kyrie. You realize you comparing role players to hall of famers? Really though? The career 6ppg Kerr "could be" Kyrie? Dude started a total of 30 games in his career...

[@Cpski4]

No the league was just garbage and didn’t have as much skill players as we do now

[@Cpski4]

K love bro he a average player not a hall of famer sorry

[@cyber6sapien]

@@Cpski4 Kevin Love being a Hall of Famer is debatable. What isn't debatable is whether D Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, and Anthony Davis are Hall of Famers.

[@cyber6sapien]

@@Cpski4 If the league has so many skilled players now, then why are the ratings crashing? Also, did you know that Shaquille ONeal was drafted in 1992? Despite being the most physically dominant player outside of Wilt Chamberlain that the NBA has ever seen, Shaq only led the league in scoring twice. Shaq also never led the league in blocks or rebounding per game. If the league was garbage, why didn't Shaq totally dominate in everything? But wait, there's more .. . Shaq only made the Finals once in the 1990's. (Remember, this was the decade Jordan dominated). Shaq also got swept in the playoffs FIVE times in the 1990's by five DIFFERENT franchises! That last point is important, because it wasn't like he kept losing to the same team every year. Shaq played on talented teams from his 3rd season in the NBA until his last few seasons in the NBA. And he had a tough time winning. If the league was garbage, how is that a player with Shaq's physical gifts, had such a tough time dominating the league?

[@creepn750]

the playing longer and adding bulk stats is the issue for me...look at the barry sanders frank gore example gore played 16 seasons and ran for 16k yards sanders played 10 seasons and ran for over 15k yards how can someone say gore was better?

[@michaeltrenier]

@@creepn750 Thank you sir. That is an apt comparison statistically speaking.

[@aragorn1ring]

Lebron isn't even the best small forward.

[@Cpski4]

Disagree

[@aragorn1ring]

@@Cpski4 you have watched a bunch of Bird videos now, it hasnt sunk in that Bird is a better basketball player than Lebron? (and forget about teammate and leader) I get that all you have known is Lebron and the media fawning over him, but its time to see whats plain in front of you.

[@FF-Nation]

@@Cpski4 I respect your opinion but Bird would tell ALL STARS what he was going to do and they couldn't do anything about it. If Lebron can't beat Jordan how can he beat Bird when Bird beat Jordan multiple times. Bird would get bored and do things like play left handed for fun (again letting people know beforehand). Bird NEVER flopped and wasn't afraid of playing HARD defense consistently and while hurt. Just like Jordan, they got all their accolades while playing WAY less time than James.

[@schmelzwah]

Jordan played only 11 full seasons with the bulls. In that time he won 6 championships, 6 finals mvp, 5 mvp's, 1 dpoy, and 10 scoring titles. That last one is huge, 10 titles in 11 years is insane all while being on the defensive first team 9 of those 10 years. So he was the best offensive player in the whole league while also being the best defensive player at his position in the league year after year after year with no one really being close. And if you think Jordan was a ball hog. Jordan has the highest assists in a finals series of any player not named Magic Johnson with 11.4 in his first finals appearance in 91. (he of course holds the record for most ppg in a finals series with 41 ppg in 93 at a time when scoring was much lower than it is today due to defenses being allowed to do more and offensive players allowed to do less than they are allowed now).

[@TrojanRabbit521]

Jordan only played with 1 All Star Pippen. Rodman deserves HOF but was a specialist. Everyone else was role player. Lebron is a great of his era but doesn’t have the killer instinct to be in Goat conversation. Even against his peers Kobe/ Duncan at start and Steph on back half. Not giving effort on defense and losing more Finals than he won really drops Lebron. Bird, Magic, MJ & Isiah Thomas would leave body parts on the court to win.

[@My-by]

Who’s gonna win 11 scoring titles? Who’s gonna win 3 chips back to back not once but twice? To eclipse Jordan they will need to win 4 chips at least once before winning 3 in a row next right? If you’re gonna be the goat over Jordan there are some basic things you have to do.

[@CabralCreates]

How can you compare role players to the All Star caliber players? If Mj had the same help Lebron had in this era he would be 10 and 0. I don’t hate Lebron it’s that I see that Lebron is just been compared to someone who’s on a whole other level, there’s no real discussion, LeBron pushes his propaganda heavily with Klutch sports, how Curry built a dynasty under LeBron’s watch but LeBron is the GOAT? Makes no sense.

[@anthonyalston2607]

😂😂😂😂 Horace grant only made 1 all-star 😂😂

[@JelaniWood]

Grant and BJ Armstrong DID in fact make the All-Star Team while on the Bulls...the full first year Jordan retired. He's only played with one other All-Star WHILE he himself was playing and that was Scottie Pippen. Grant and Toni Kukoc were about as close to All-Star players besides Pippen he ever played with on the Bulls himself but they weren't selected those years. Toni never was. He was close but never made it.

[@marleybob3157]

It is possible to respect the hell out of Lebron and still think MJ is by far the GOAT. As to longevity, MJ has his own case for longevity in that he played all 82 games in nine seasons and played 80 & 81 in another two. On the other hand, Lebron has only three seasons of 80+ games (80, 81 and 82). As somebody who has watched the entirety of both careers, I will also say Lebron plays in a much softer era without hand checking, fights and an empty lane. The NBA has legislated defense out of the games and has essentially become an extended three point shooting contest. I miss the 70's through 90's NBA.

[@jordangrier4842]

People don't "hate" Lebron. Y'all love saying that when there's no argument for him. People hate the nonsensical arguments for him being the GOAT and a lot of his antics.

[@cyrex6519]

I would like to see mj,kobe,bron,bird,kareem and wilt all in there prime. To me its whoever you want to be the goat me there are to many to name but at least 14 people i prefer over bron.

[@darrenmarcbautista6410]

Guess why players like Horace Grant, Steve Kerr, etc are given high regards compared to LeBron's other teammates? It's because they actually won CHAMPIONSHIPS with MJ as the undisputed leader of their team.

[@R0M4N313]

Jordan has more integrity, character, skill, ability and grace in his pinky finger than LeBron could ever dream of.

[@mrjohn4310]

You gotta think how much more highly people would think of LeBron if he and others didn’t try to say he was that goat. It hurt my perception of him big time.

[@katherineshief3081]

Bron is not in the top ten

[@Cpski4]

Disagree

[@joshuamartin8691]

Not even a debate. MJ is my GOAT. Plays 2 way basketball. 3-peated. Retired to play another sport. Came back and clapped cheeks for another 3-peat. Hung up the Jordans again to be an executive for a new team. Came back again for a second time and averages about 20/game and played ALL 82 GAMES

[@bobscavone4228]

My top 3 are MJ, KOBE,BIRD. LaBron needs to put a forward slash / between the two and three on his jersey. Cuz he's only 2/3 the player these guys were! Period!!

[@bobscavone4228]

Also, you have the best reactions . You actually listen to the stats. We can argue the best in every sport. We like who we like. We're always gonna learn towards our favorite. Keep the videos rolling. Thanks

[@Cpski4]

Appreciate you man this makes me keep going everyday love u guys💪🏾❤️

[@bobscavone4228]

@Cpski4 keep them videos rolling. Out of the several Reactions to this debate that I've seen, yours are the best. We all like who we like and we're always lean towards our favorite. Personally I don't care who the best . In reality when you think how many teams there are. 15 guys on a team. Maybe 450 NBA players per season. How many years has the NBA around? That's a pretty elite group of people that made it to that level. They're all Great if you ask me.

[@Cpski4]

@bobscavone4228 FACTS! Not an average Joe can make it to the NBA

[@bobscavone4228]

@@Cpski4 I have to ask one more question. Has anyone mentioned that under Doug Collins, MJ never went to the finals. Phil Jackson came in and won 6 times. Phil Jackson left and Bulls haven't won since. Maybe he's the GOAT.

[@JamesHoulihan-p2v]

Jordan and the bulls swept the Detroit pistons four games to zero in 1991😅

[@nicop195]

He is somewhere in the top 10

[@jjohnson4013]

I agree Kobe was more skill better defender won back to back without a top 75 player in a stack west also beat more 50 wins team

[@blaqattaq2496]

I’m Batman, I’m Michael Jeffery Jordan, 🫡

[@az_desert_hermit9507]

MJ, Kobe, Hakeem, Bird, Bron.

[@eazymoneymane7789]

In the college in the 80s college player couldn't come out until after their junior year

[@JoshuaB-c2j]

Michael Jordan did take a Wizards type of team to the finals. The Bulls team he was drafted to were worse than the Wizards team he was on. I don't think the Bulls even won 30 games the year before Michael Jordan's rookie season. That's why it took him years to begin winning. He stuck with Chicago and help developed the players they drafted. They created a dynasty and once they figured out how to win, they won 6 in 8 years. He helped turn a less than 30 win team into one of the greatest dynasties in sports history. He couldn't do it with the Wizards because it takes time to create a dynasty.

[@Cpski4]

What about the cavs team LeBron was drafted to ??? They sucked too what do you mean 😂 and they DIDNT GET HIM ANY HELP LIKE MJ, So then he decided to take his talents somewhere else… not mad at him

[@JoshuaB-c2j]

@@Cpski4 What I mean is what I wrote. Everyone the Bulls had during the beginning of their run were drafted. Michael Jordan helped develop those guys. Scottie Pippen was the only one who was an all star on the Bulls his entire time there. Lebron didn't want to put in the work so he left for guys who were already there. We know that because he came back to Cleveland when Kyrie was there. Kyrie has said he didn't want Lebron there.

[@jph794]

I think MJ is the goat. The only thing I still can’t wrap my head around is that in those conversations with Phil Jackson about finding challenges to comeback and retire, they couldn’t find a SINGLE challenge for MJ to return. I find that HIGHLY SUS!!! You mean to tell that MJ, the greatest competitor, the one that would go out to kill you in the court, that guy couldn’t figure out to break Kareem’s all time scoring record? You mean to tell me that he couldn’t see as a challenge to win more than 11 championships as Russell did? You mean to tell me he could not challenge himself to win more MVP’s than Kareem? I does not make any sense at all!!!! With all of this dog attitude you couldn’t make a long term challenging plan?!?!?!?!?

[@michaelcarter8689]

When are opponent has to come up with rules to stop you your great. (The Jordan Rule)

[@josephtann3449]

Did he really just say Kerr and Kyrie could be the same 😂😅 wtf..

[@nathanlarson3632]

This is what all you youngsters, fan boys, can’t seem to get through your sensitive feelings, that a real fan, a real impartial fan can root for there favorite player but in no way no how will they ever let diloushin take over say Lefony(Lebron) is the goat who has lots of loosing stats and NBA FINALS/ championship records to be calling him the goat(yeah maybe the fake goat) and just because we don’t say Lefony(Lebron) isn’t the goat or in a top 5 list doesn’t make us “Hating” that’s just us that have been alive to see the past greats all the way up through the modern greats…an our eyes don’t lie!!! As much as your feelings want to make you to

[@jamesquepazaa6270]

Man Lebron now has to be in top 15 no more then that.

[@willwhitman7534]

Here's the thing, I don't hate LB, however I do believe that he has the potential to be a great player, especially in the beginning but he was a media hype and ended up buying into it himself causing him not to fully develop into what he could have been, he started pointing too many fingers and making too many excuses, throwing team members under the bus and so on. He is still a really good player but his weaknesses equal out his ability. I do believe that he could have been a great player. Now to MJ, he was hard, he was an ass, no one that knows him or watched him will deny that but he pushed himself for greatness as well as his teammates who also will say the same and while they didn't like him at times, they also admit that he treated practice like a real game and caused them to become better. MJ put the toughness that he had on himself to his teammates because he wanted to win, losing when you give it all you have is one thing, losing because you didn't is another, MJ wanted to win and didn't want to leave room for excuses if he / they lost. Also, the game really was much tougher then, hand checking, big centers staying inside, actual defense being played, not everything being called as a foul. If you tried that "flopping" stuff back then, your team, the other team and the fans would never let you live that down, you manned up and balled, you didn't leave the game to 3 pointers, you got in and dominated.

[@Shnceg]

Labron is not top 5😂😂😂 l can name 5 players better debate 😂😂😂 that's funny 😂😂😂 he's not better than Kobe

[@Cpski4]

Kd nd who else OG 🤣🤣🤣😂😂

[@Shnceg]

😂😂 KD,🤣🤣 Curry, Kobe for sure, Giannis,,Joker, Embid, and l can go back 😂😂 T-Mack, Hakeem "The Dream, Labron 😂😂 nah

[@leonardjackson6210]

​​@@Cpski45 players better than Bron... MJ Bird Kobe Hakeem and Shaq. Hell a HEALTHY Prime Dwade was better than Lebron.

[@richardadams5061]

Wizards Jordan was 38 years old and retired for 3 years you have the nerve to ask him to make the finals

[@Cpski4]

Lebron is the same age as we argue this discussion what happens if he does win one🤔

[@777gers]

The difference about grant and love was MJ never ne a bus rider to kyrie and love, MJ in other hand start from scratch, Grant is not star teammate same to Scott, lebron made super team several times while MJ never ever experienced super team in his entire career Rodman decaying Carrer that no lots of team doesn't like him because of attitude, even coach phil admit Rodman is in his last list, Only MJ acknowledge Rodman and after that at age of 34 Rodman Joined the Bulls, idk if was right Grant timing of being star appearances came out when MJ was not there including the first appearances I'm not sure cuz it's been decades 😅 there was a legendary player that better than lebron James Kareem, Wilt, Bill, Magic, Duncan, kobe and maybe Step next

[@blackcrowvol2281]

Jordan 🐐 the real #23.

[@jonn127]

lol, you kept a good attitude, despite the fact. Good job man.

[@elilett9202]

You embody what the guy said about believing what you want despite the STATS that just proved LeBron is GREAT LOSER.

[@adellhollingsworth2956]

Bruh why people hate LeBron is because he proclaimed himself the Goat. Yeah hes top 5 to anyone that knows basketball. Hes just not better than Jordan. Its not close between the 2

[@paullow3377]

Lebron definitely has one thing more than MJ, flops.

[@ChiNoles84]

Bro the fact that you just compared Steve Kerr to Kyrie Irving makes me question your basketball knowledge pre LeChoke James!!! Steve Kerr's comparison to someone that James played with would be more along Mike Miller lines!! Kevin Love was head and shoulders better than Horace Grant!! Kukoc is more that comparison, but regardless Jordan only had Kerr and Kukoc for his last 3 years in Chicago

[@davidyoungsr753]

Most of these Youngins have no basketball knowledge, that's usually my issue with them. Like damn, study the game before you get on here spouting nonsense you heard from Cowturd, or Nick Wrong. Scottie the only real dude MJ ever played with.

[@ChiNoles84]

@davidyoungsr753 it blows my mind that they continue to say without fail "I grew up watching LeChoke James and wasn't alive to see Jordan live" and then proceed to argue with us that watched Jordan, Kobe, and James about who's the best player!!! James isn't better than Kobe so I'm perplexed as to how he surpassed Jordan!!

[@davidyoungsr753]

@@ChiNoles84 or Kareem, Magic, Tim D, nobody with 5 rings. Or Shaq or Larry Legend.

[@ChiNoles84]

@davidyoungsr753 absolutely couldn't agree with you more

[@Cpski4]

So your telling me your mad at the skill level of are generation of point guards or more skilled and better at the game and it’s not just one good person on a team Mj had help can’t change my mind that he didn’t

[@drol7454]

100% fact that numbers don't give you the WHOLE situation. Flacco has more passing yards than Joe Montana, yet not even in the same stratosphere!! Lebron has more points than everyone but not the go-to scorer that Kareem, Bird, Jordan, Dominique, Kobe, Reggie Miller, and sooo many others were.

[@BlastGT1]

We don't hate Lebron strictly as a player, there's no doubt he is a great. It is his attitude, blaming others for failures and taking credit for success, not putting in maximum effort 100% of the time he is on the floor, gerrymandering teams and other blatant disrespect to players/coaches/teams/fans that we hate more than anything. Off the court and on, he is very obviously arrogant, narcissistic, and unwilling to EARN the "damn respect" that he wants so badly. He knows he can't surpass Jordan's otherworldly career and aura, so he recruits everyone and everything he can to smear MJ and tarnish his legacy. If he had kept his mouth shut and not spent the majority of his career chasing rings, he would be held in much higher regard. You have to be A MAN, before you can be THE MAN. Michael never expected more from the people around him than he expected of himself, and he led by example when it came to putting in the work. Even his workout regimen was #1, check out kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4WppYxsgMyGa5o if you want to know just how hard he worked and how driven he was.

[@Cpski4]

This is the most respected comment I seen also with knowledge thank you 💯💜

[@donaldtaylor184]

😂Bro, Stopped watching your video when said Steve Kerr was like Kyre and Horace Grant was a Kevin love. The problem is that you kids be saying the wildest untruths with no proof. Just be saying any ol silly thing.

[@Cpski4]

They definitely are similar I hate when people sit there and say Jordan had NO help LOL STOP IT….

[@leonardjackson6210]

​​@@Cpski4Bro Steve Kerr was a role player and Horace Grant at best was a 1time allstar and number 3 option his whole career. Kyrie is a HOFer and Kevin Love before Lebron was a 20ppg 10rpg player. We never said Jordan didn't have help... but most Bron fans constantly says he didn't have enough help. Even Lebron said in Miami his 1st year he didn't have enough help even though he had 2 top 10 players and including himself 3/5 of the East allstars starting 5. And that was JUST in Miami. MJ played with 1 allstar his whole career.

[@LuisRodriguez-tr9cg]

MJ the best

[@BessieRiggs]

I wouldn’t put Bron in the top 10 on principle alone. He has had a negative impact on the sport, period.

[@lamonthunt8711]

Lebron is an all time great, but Jordan was different

[@julioleduc5542]

I have lebron #6 all time

[@dg832]

Es ist nur eine Debatte, weil LeBron gesagt hat, dass er der GOAT ist. Hätte er es nicht gesagt, dann würde niemand auf dir Ideen kommen, dass LeBron der GOAT ist. Es ist nicht mal knapp 🙄

[@clintonhernandezvalleyhs4732]

Grant = Love? Kerr = Kyrie? You were ok up to that point. Grant was so good he made a total of 1 all-star appearance in his career. Kerr never made an all-star team ever. Kyrie made 8 all-star appearances and Love made it 5 times. So Kerr and Grant = 1 all-star appearance Love and Kyrie = 13 all-star appearance Not even close.

[@satatay23]

Lebronze had all the backing to be the greatest, Nike funding and exposure, the league embracing high school players, the Cavs, Heat, Lakers, Team USA, willingness to do anything he wanted. And he came up short. Accumulation of stats to just be ok does not make one great.

[@cyber6sapien]

My brother. I know you're young. So I'll just leave this with you. Here are the stats from Steve Kerr's *BEST* season in the NBA: 1994-95: 8.2 ppg 1.8 apg 1.5 rpg 77.8% FT *.524* 3PT .527 FG% While Kerr led the league in 3PT shooting percentage that season, he only attempted 2 of them per game. The only reason you even know who Steve Kerr is, is because he coaches the Warriors!

[@warrenbfeagins]

What you have to understand is you ONLY know what you've seen. You haven't been around long enough to have actually seen players from other eras. So that means your knowledge lacks the depth of an old head. 20 years from now, a 15 year old who never saw Lebron play is going to tell you so and so is better than Lebron without having seen Lebron actually play. You'll be able to accurately rate both players, but that 15 year old can't.....cause they don't know. You follow? The year Jordan won DPOY he also lead the league in scoring with 32.5 ppg on 53.8% shooting.

[@Shane1977-q6d]

Basketball use to be a team game not me ball.There were many great teams not just 4,5. Today when the season starts how many teams have a real chance of a title?

[@Blazekickz]

It's just a fact that LBJ loses to MJ on all fronts aside from accumulative numbers and stats. In individual accomplishments he loses. In almost all advanced analytics he loses. If you put generic stats in perspective of their positions and the context of their era (how the game was played), he loses. Peak vs Peak he loses considerably. Winning he loses. Even just their Legacies, as impressive as LBJ's story is, he just loses. No matter how much some people will try and put him on that pedestal, it's never going to stick.

[@andrewwilliams3389]

It’s still not a conversation even without Jordan winning a chip with the wizards lol. Let me ask you a question youngin… Would you rather win 500k in 2 years or win 300k in 10 years? I think we all know the answer to that. MJ is the GOAT & it’s not even close. MJ accomplished more in less time! It’s not a discussion. Accumulating stats in a 20 yr span is NOT better than accomplishing more than those stats in 13 yrs. It doesn’t even make sense when you think about it.

[@regw410]

Lebron is fortunate to play in the era he's in. LB himself, social media, TV sports personalities , Clutch Sports hype team at fault for trying to push him as GOAT..Drop LB in MJs era without the Social media and hype and he would get swallowed by interior big men and better defense.Ill take Shawn Kemp over him.LB would be forced to develop a better post game. That head down bullrush into a crowded lane would get laid out with no foull call Drop MJ in this era with Social media and the rules in play now there's no discussion...not that theres a case for LB now.Nobody cared about him being all time scorer until Bron reached it. Nobody was talking about Karl Malone being better because he had more points than MJ Almost every analytics stat that wasn't even around when MJ was playing, Mj is better at. Longevity is starting to hurt LB. Been in the league 7yrs+ longer and still chasing awards that matter.LB should ha better improvements in his game at this point in his career.He still has the same weaknesses as before maybe slightly better 3pt% but still below league avg.Mjs body of work is just better than LB..LB on court antics whining and flopping all over, No one fears LB,No one worried when he's in town for a game.The closest measuring stick was Kobe ,and LB played soft against him.MJ ran the PG for about 12 games in 88' had 10 triple doubles for all the Bron fans saying Bron was a better facilitator than MJ. So if he wanted to he could play the PG. Kobe was about the closest to MJ.There isn't any situation in a game where I'm taking LB over Kobe or MJ and a few others except if I need LB to take a charge by flopping. End of rant😂

[@stevehayes7988]

I don't hate LeBron. But the goat is Jordan

[@Cpski4]

I can live with this I wish other people can 😂

[@electric8668]

Your mission if you decide to accept it is.......Watch Jordan vs Lebron The Ultimate GOAT Comparison. Then watch 16 Straight minutes of Michael Jordan Facts That Will Convince you He's The Undisputed GOAT.

[@johnmont4736]

nobody hates Bron, he just isnt even close to MJ, not even close, media hype

[@140acresretired7]

Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Coby, Brid , Magic There's my top 5. Think Lebron has to argue to get in the top 10. That's the truth. Stat's are a lot easier to get to day. A assist use to be more then 1 dribble assisted ended. They give them away now. Rebound's are much easier then ever. About every one that Lebron gets there's no to contest it but his teammates because of the 3 ball and that's true league wide. Scoring has gotten easier then all of them. Lane wide open most of the time for a Lebron to do his lay ups. Most 3's are open looks and you got coaches say shoot away. Every is easier and that starts to make stat's hole. 3 ball and money ruined the game. I rather tune in a see a war under the hoop then 21 teams jake up 80+ 3's. But that's me.

[@darastarscream]

The 2011 Miami Heat were specifically assembled to make James the keystone of a championship dynasty that was to rule the NBA for a decade or more. Except that's not what happened, because James is not a rock to build around. Look at what's happening now; if the effort doesn't put another tick on a box score, LeBron doesn't bother. He doesn't care about winning ballgames, and it's so blatant that he doesn't care we're starting to wonder if he ever did. I'm serious! Is basketball something LeBron James wants and would do if he wasn't getting paid, or is he playing because that's how he can get rich'n'famous and given a choice he'd do something else?

[@monocyte2210]

I remember me and my friends skipping school activities just to watch LBJs first NBA game. LBJ is a great player but not as close as Mike.

[@beardedfunkgu3121]

How many full seasons has lebaby played in 20 and won a ring in them yrs??? Exactly

[@goodfellabeats]

Steve Kerr isn't even on the same planet as Kyrie as far as help for MJ. Kerr was just a catch n shoot guy that only took about 3 shots a game. He didn't do anything else and only averaged 6 ppg. He was there just to have someone to spot up when they tried to double team MJ. Same as Kevin Love. Ho Grant is more like Bobby Portis who can't take it to the basket and doesn't have a 3pt shot.

[@Cpski4]

But how can you be mad at LeBron for the guards elevating there game throughout the years it was barely point guards like kyrie back then let’s be real…