Great explanation for the novices out there. Just want to add when replacing the clutch, make sure to inspect the steels thoroughly. Hot spots indicated by discoloration are warpage from slipping and will prevent new friction plates from doing their job leading to repeated failures. I always recommend upgrading to kevlar with new steels and something like Barnett or "equal" springs for any substantially increased power levels or aggressive riders.
@ShonkyProductions Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for making it. I also get tired of explaining how a slipper clutch works. I have abused my stock clutch from day one with hard riding, desert crossings and rally racing... NIL ISSUES!
@mikeguitarification Жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial on how a clutch works, and intelligent and respectful disagreement with those that think it isn't working properly. Thanks.
@markcdeyoung3118 Жыл бұрын
I put a super duper slipper Dipper Ripper clutch on my XR 650r and upgraded those mini pads to maxi pads up in them brake calipers
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
haha nice
@RickGreen_McNutt Жыл бұрын
I had this discussion with somebody on a forum. He'd replaced the clutch on his 300l with a non-slipper one. He was certain that the clutch was slipping under acceleration. Maybe it was, but it wasn't due to the Slipper/Assist clutch system - if it was slipping, it would have been from worn/abused clutch plates or a mis-adjusted clutch lever. He just didn't understand how it worked and refused to believe anything else. I posted Ari Henning's video on the slipper clutch and never heard a word from him again. Another 'myth' is that the 300L only had 3 clutch plates - because in the online parts diagram, they chose to only show the first 3 clutch plates.
@Redrider2k2 Жыл бұрын
Slipper clutches were developed for racing but those clutches are not the same as the budget and beginner friendly assist/slipper setups. Unfortunately, some of these do slip. Not so much because they're weak and being overpowered by the engine but because they wear out WAY faster than a standard clutch. The ninja and Z400s are a prime example. They rely on the assist function of the clutch to get that nice light lever feel that new riders like but that means slipper function engages way too often. Even with pretty light engine braking. This causes the plates to wear out much faster. Then one day you notice a minor rpm flare during a high gear clutchless power shift.. and in no time at all you're getting full blown slipping when you roll into full throttle anywhere in the top half of the gear box. Maybe this isn't the case with the CRF.. Maybe Honda has their setup tuned a bit better.. But for some other bikes it's a real problem. Some of those 400 Kawis are lucky to see 3-4000 miles without a totally worn out clutch (There was also an issue with pre-2020 models not getting full travel out of the clutch basket. Another problem that wasn't helping things). What's worse is that the clutch is working 100% as designed and clutch plates are a wear item. Unless your dealer is generous, you're not going to get it covered under warranty. I've made a couple of videos addressing the problems with my wife's 400 Ninja
@johnpagejr.7628 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jake! This was very helpful. I really did not understand how this clutch worked. My CRF300L Rally is working great and I love riding it. The only major changes I have made is the suspension a new shock and spring up front.
@ChipMitchell-fs6ni4 ай бұрын
Agree completely with your assessment of whether it is "slipping" or not. I think where trail riders complain about this clutch is the range of modulation. Those accustomed to the feel of a typical MX/XC bike don't like the on/off characteristics of this clutch. I'm going to adapt to it first, but when it comes time to change it, will likely install the CBR version.
@biglefty08 Жыл бұрын
I replaced the clutch on my 02 Gsxr 1000, same exact setup as what you described. Took little to no knowledge to replace it and worked like a charm 👍🏼
@kevinarmstrong4785 ай бұрын
Remember also most EFI bikes will turn off the fuel completely on the overrun that’s why there is no crackle and pop from the exhaust. This helps with emissions but can make engine braking extremely harsh so the slipper clutch is quite important. Lots of guys are in the habit of pulling away in second gear I don’t think that’s the best idea . Small dual sports ridden off road by inexperienced riders will always be heavy on their clutches.
@Jeredsmith Жыл бұрын
Yea i never knew what a "slipping clutch" was or felt like till i burnt the old stock clutch in my drift car... you can definitely tell by being in a high gear and pinning the throttle. If rpms jump up and you don't go much faster then definitely clutch lol no good way to describe it besides doing it yourself or i'm assuming a youtube video of it.
@RideOutside Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video. Soooo many people needed to hear this it’s ridiculous
@biglefty08 Жыл бұрын
One time I was coming up on a chp fast as a newer rider and I downshifted hard from 3rd to 2nd while going 80, locked my back wheel up and almost wrecked 😂 wish I had that slipper clutch
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
Had a few sketchy moments like that too when I was a newer rider. Slipper would have been nice.
@cole2917 Жыл бұрын
I like that jake just kind of ends of in all kinds of situations like at 15:00
@airmotivewelding8012 Жыл бұрын
Great vid, you are such a pro! Cool tech and great explanation of the system. The basic modern wet clutch is inspired, adding the "cam" driven force from the engine/trans to manage force is an epic improvement! Cool.
@iainmitchelhill9490 Жыл бұрын
My thinking is when people think they have a slipping clutch it is more often than they have not lived their chain and the chain is jumping when loaded. I suggest they lube the chain or replace it if it is that bad and magically I think their clutch will no longer slip.
@AkRider-yc8zg Жыл бұрын
Here for the stripper clutch
@Need4SteveMoto Жыл бұрын
Instructor Jake coming in clutch with knowledge
@gargantus5 Жыл бұрын
Super simple way I always used to test clutches find a big Hill Get it in top gear at low rpm and gag it up it if rpms go up you dont go faster Boom You need a clutch But visa versa RPMS SPeed up and you DO TO YOURE GOLDEN ! SIDE Note I have always wanted to ride something with a Rekluse Clutch in it!
@RaittyRat Жыл бұрын
Like the new format Jake, hopping from bike to garage. It's like FortNine for people with ADD
@johnharris7756 Жыл бұрын
I personally thought the same thing and after watching this video, I am convinced that I am just missing the gear. Perhaps when I upshift I’m not getting a full click.
@HippoDrones Жыл бұрын
Cracking explanations Jake, you are very good at making things make sense! 🙂
@user-cv9my1jq2rАй бұрын
Nice job describing that.
@RideOutside Жыл бұрын
Another reason for slip you didn’t mention would be using automotive oil with friction modifiers
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
That is also a good point and something people regularly mess up
@dancarlos1216 Жыл бұрын
I have seen this quite a few times as a tech. People will abuse and slip their clutches excessively while riding and never stay on top of the clutch lever free play slack and as a result the ride around with a bike that is basically pulling its own clutch in slightly until the burn it up.
@jaimemetcher3885 ай бұрын
Guilty on both counts. Lesson learned.
@6Twisted Жыл бұрын
I love a gripper clutch and light clutch.
@TheUberdude14 Жыл бұрын
The factory slipper on mt mt09 saved me a few times now with some overzealous downshifting
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
Aren’t they great for that!
@austincrabtree2850 Жыл бұрын
Just picked up my first nice bike! Crf300l, guy sold it to me with 4 miles.
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
Dang 4 miles. Think he bought it without asking the wife?
@austincrabtree2850 Жыл бұрын
Hah! Maybe that's the real reason, but he told me he flew out to get it and trailered it back because it wasn't available around Denver. Then after he rode it around a little decided that bikes are a little too risky for him.
@MrJet1982 Жыл бұрын
@TheGardenSnake That's how I ended up getting my hands on one in my area. Dude put a deposit on one and wife said no. I was next inline 😂
@MrJet1982 Жыл бұрын
How much you think your big bore cost you without all the disassemble and all the other things you did at that time ? I think I might want to do that to mine. I have 550 stage 1 ecu flash , yoshi full exhaust and air lid mod. I have the 300cbr intake tube and was contemplating cbr cams but this really has my eye now 😊
@austincrabtree2850 Жыл бұрын
@@MrJet1982 how do you like the 550 performance changes? I was wondering if the stock improved would be a nice addition.
@tommym6248 Жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense. I’d still like to know what the function of the half steel/half friction ring setup is in the bottom of the clutch pack?
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
I’d have to see it. I don’t see that on the parts pdf but might be missing something.
@tommym6248 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGardenSnake might be a CRF250 thing, maybe not on the 300?
@DakotaHDrums Жыл бұрын
Why the hell does jakes videos not appear in my feed ?!
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
The tube no likey me
@twowheelslater7112 Жыл бұрын
I like the clutch on mine you can trail brake like mad off-road. The issue I have heard is folks were smoking their clutch. It has to cause the clutch to wear some. They can always change the clutch pad formula to combat that. Idk. I’m gonna see how long mine lasts and go from there. If I smoke it in 5 k I’ll probably do the conversion. If it lasts I think I like it better than a non slipper.
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
I think I general, especially newer riders (like this bike attracts) use the clutch way too much off road.
@L3m0nzs Жыл бұрын
This is so cool thx for explaining
@ik04 Жыл бұрын
Awesome tutorial, Professor!
@DrewSprings Жыл бұрын
0:48 is that one of the twins ole mustang?
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
Haha maybe
@andrewnolte7474 Жыл бұрын
You are so awesome man !
@MasterChief0093 Жыл бұрын
my 250l would slip all the time. When I first got it, it was used and within a year I would have issues coming from a red light where no matter how many times I shifted, my revs would spike without me going anywhere. So I replaced the clutch, and then within another year it started to have the same problem. So when I got the crf250l rally, I installed the cbr clutch. Worked way better for me. But I don't know what was wrong to cause the initial issue.
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
The 250l doesn’t have a slipper. That’s a new thing for the 300.
@MasterChief0093 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGardenSnake I guess I was just burning my clutches out super fast. It seemed like any time the engine was too hot, the clutch would fail to disengage. So trail riding was hard if it got too slow.
@onezstep Жыл бұрын
Jake out here giving us a egimukashion
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
😂
@wfthkttn Жыл бұрын
Tried to join the discord, became a patron of some lewd game. What I did wrong?!
@erichalitsky12853 ай бұрын
I can't get any free play at the lever . I've done the minor and major adjustment . Thoughts ?
@monstercherry99 Жыл бұрын
love you bub
@joshuapeterson161 Жыл бұрын
Are you still doing meets?
@charliem533210 ай бұрын
Is there a heavy duty clutch available for the 300l and if there is do you lose the slipper function?
@atkolkman7 ай бұрын
With those cams, is it bad to intentionally slip the clutch under acceleration? I ask because I ride a lot of gnarly off-road trails and I’m using clutch slipping to keep the engine from stalling in higher gears when I’m in soft sand and mud
@TheGardenSnake6 ай бұрын
Shouldn’t be any worse than anything else. But other than taking off, I’m not really sure why were slipping the clutch a lot in sand or mud. Let that thing out and rip it man. If you’re moving and it’s about the stall then I suggest you’re in too high of a gear.
@SethPortland Жыл бұрын
I figured you to be more of a Michelangelo or Leonardo type of guy lol.
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
Mikey is my spirit animal
@meinross Жыл бұрын
great vid jake. your beard tickles on my cheek ;)
@siim1129 Жыл бұрын
Jake who draws better you or your kid?
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
The kids hahaha
@DashRendar308 Жыл бұрын
Are you not putting the CRF on a dyno again? I was really interested in the numbers.
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
I will, gotta square tuning away.
@DashRendar308 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGardenSnake Great to hear. I'm still waiting for my CRF. Ordered it a couple months ago, but Honda here in Germany keeps postponing the delivery date again and again.
@TrickyUtah Жыл бұрын
Wow his voice sounds different after almost 7 years😭
@busboy3232 Жыл бұрын
What sprocket setup are you using on this bike?
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
Stock gearing
@SWTrailsAndWheels Жыл бұрын
Best clutch is no clutch. That's why ebikes are so fun ;)
@TheGardenSnake Жыл бұрын
Yeah for sure. Love how these electric bikes don’t need gears or clutches.
@inqufox1750 Жыл бұрын
If you read it on the internet 9/10 your wasting the techs time. Dont bring your vehicle or bike into a shop with "i read on the internet" concern. You're wasting our time, the techs time, your own time your congesting the shop. Stop it. Guaranteed back when you were a tech you spent hours trying to figure out a problem that didnt exist because the customer was insane and "i read/heard everyone was having this problem" and just wouldnt shut up about it and got pissed off at YOU for "not listening" or some other convoluted reason for there to NOT be a problem with their vehicle. its "impossible" there isnt a problem with a vehicle...that works perfectly fine because "internet told me there for you all your schooling and years of experience are wrong."