Your Desire Does Not Belong to You

[@Elijah_Al-Naysaburi]

Thank you very much 😊⚘ 💓 Blessings from 🇦🇪( UAE)🌷🌷🌷

[@HardcoreZen]

Thank you! And blessings to you too!

[@brittanyclark7537]

Zen daddy strikes again! Just what I needed to hear! 💗

[@HardcoreZen]

Great!

[@felixpliske989]

Don't thank us for the donations. We're just feeding our Brad-body. ;)

[@HardcoreZen]

That's an interesting way to think of it!

[@benrusher581]

I find the idea that my body belongs more to others more than it does me a pretty surreal concept. I more get that it might belong equally to others and me, or not belong to anyone.

[@HardcoreZen]

Maybe so.

[@nicannerd6382]

Wow. That does have a lot of mileage. Many thanks!!

[@sallyarterton2702]

Desire for something nice.or what you want is natural and ok. It’s creative. It’s spontaneous! It only becomes a problem when you become attached to the desire I think that’s what’s meant by not owning your desire.🙏

[@halatmothership6969]

I think I read that Maharaj was teacher to Wayne Dyer...Very very good tube today

[@limaromeo8745]

I had been wondering for a while what a "turning word" was. My primary source of zen literature has been a book called Two Zen Classics which is the Mumonkan and the Hekiganroku translated and comentated on by Katsuki Sekida. There was a lot of mention of turning words but not a lot of explanation of them (that I recall, I've only read it once through so far) so this video helped.

[@HardcoreZen]

Thanks!

[@gunterappoldt3037]

Sekida`s other book "Zen Training. Methods and Philosophy" might be supplemental and help for some further clarifications. "Zen Pratice" (1959), written by the old-school, yet also slightly modernist monk-scholar Chang Chen-chi/Zhang Zhenji, also, i.m.o., presents some valuable data: general informations on the history of the movement (some biographical excerpts included), explanations of central teachings, etc.

[@limaromeo8745]

@@gunterappoldt3037 oh yeah I keep forgetting about his zen training book. It’s on my reading list but perhaps it should be higher up

[@gunterappoldt3037]

@@limaromeo8745 really can recommend it. Gambare! as Japanese would say.

[@franksijbenga3724]

"Desire just happens to you." Karma, in Buddhism, could be defined as voluntary action. Voluntary, in that you want, you desire, to do something. So, how would you say does this view of Sri Nisargadatta's square with the Buddhist view that we are "owners of our actions, heirs of actions, born of our actions"?

[@HardcoreZen]

I honestly do not know. Yet it seems to be the case that this body/mind inherits the actions of this body/mind.

[@franksijbenga3724]

@@HardcoreZen Maybe it's something like this: all these events happen. We just *think* it's all about us, which makes everything seem connected, from moment to moment. The masters instructing us about karma could in a way be humoring our predilection to see everything from that selfish perspective, in order is to get to a place where we can see through the whole illusion and realize that there never was a concrete "me" actually clinging to any definite experience or state of mind. Would fit with how Nagarjuna takes the reasoning of dependent origination to show that fundamentally no phenomenon has actually ever originated (or ceased) at all. There never was any actual karma (cause) and effect, there only *seemed* to be. As to how things happen in themselves, the Dzogchen masters would say it's due to the dynamic energy of the basic space of phenomena, which in itself is utterly pure and spontaneously present.

[@jme7474]

That line you emphasized first reminded me of a line from a book called the "Tai Chi Classics." It occurs I think as the first lines of the book, written by a founder of practice of Tai Chi. It goes "Taiji (which in this sense means something like the ultimate truth) originates from wuji (emptiness, shunyata) and gives birth to yin and yang (opposites, duality, form)." Pretty innocuous statement, but I had one of those turning word moments the 3rd or 4th time I read it. The ultimate truth, ultimate state of being, is not emptiness but it originates there; and it's not the world of form and opposites, but it leads there. What lies between emptiness and form? Energy/action - it's what creates life. Maybe that's what he meant when he was talking about the light of the projector being your true self. Also sounds like what Katagiri meant when he said actions exist first, and bring things into being.

[@nathanaeldiego7292]

instablaster.

[@sugarfree1894]

I had a similar experience but in the reverse: I opened the Unpanishads, which I had never read, at random and read a sentence which really struck me. When I read the whole book I could not find the sentence. I've read it three times since and never found it. Similar things, but not that sentence. Bizarre.

[@HardcoreZen]

That sort of thing has happened to me too.

[@landedzentry]

Stuff viewed tends to vanish in my experience. The sentence is probably still there but because something was realised it lost its "bite" so that now we only dimly recall it....its all gone.....thats what's happened to me before anyway.

[@sugarfree1894]

@@landedzentry I see what you're saying, and it's often the case, but not in this case! I remember it word for word :)

[@VinceCullen]

To be human is to desire... ...to desire is to be human.

[@HardcoreZen]

True!

[@VinceCullen]

@@HardcoreZen 1st and 2nd Truths 👍

[@prole_ops]

So if our desires are not ours, what is their source? And if "I" am not my body and mind, then what am "I"?

[@HardcoreZen]

That's what zazen is about!

[@landedzentry]

You're God. ! You're the projector of the "reality of the movie"....but it's a shame to say so , you're so wonderful my words are a blasphemy!

[@susannegerber7360]

It seems to me, that desire is an inherent quality of the material world, of substance in general. Therefore existence as such implies desire, but it does not belong to anyone.

[@macdougdoug]

Silence is neither identification nor alienation (from the body or whatever) - Self knowledge is seeing the movement of the self for what it is (and thus what fear & desire is). BTW who is this you of whom we speak?

[@erkanerken95]

That barking though 🤣

[@Pyro-Moloch]

I can hear the outer space dog

[@HardcoreZen]

It's weird, huh?

[@TyphonTheos]

Ramana Maharishi uses the same cinema screen analogy, where You are not the images or even the canvas, but the light being projected.

[@austinhill5825]

So are we all one, or are we without self?

[@edgepixel8467]

Both

[@user-rg7uz8of9r]

We are the Soul. The Soul is the experiencer of all reality. The Soul experiences the senses, experiences the ego, etc. There are many beings, there is no life without consciousness. We are eternal beings without beginning nor end, there is only a continuous existence. We, being consciousness itself, cannot do anything but exist. The Zen Buddhist meditates upon nothing with the aim of becoming nothing. The Advaitan meditates upon himself, his Soul, believing he is God. The Yogi, in the tradition that Zen and Advaita both dencend from, and which predates either by tens of thousands of years, meditates upon the Absolute, God, and aims to become godly. Study Yoga philosophy, read Bhagavad Gita, learn the origins of the tradition of Zen.

[@austinhill5825]

@@user-rg7uz8of9r but didn't the buddha reject the idea of the soul?

[@ytonaona]

@@austinhill5825 It depends what each called the soul. soul / Soul etc..

[@sephking4964]

After your next book, will you be continuing the Dogen revision/commentary series? :)

[@HardcoreZen]

Probably not. Those books were very hard to write and the audience diminished with each one. I also feel like, if you've seen my version of one Dogen essay, you've kind of seen them all. I'm not sure it adds greatly to the general understanding of Dogen to keep doing paraphrases of more of his material.

[@sephking4964]

Gotcha :)

[@oyasamasl]

Sorry to hear about it.even if only a bunch of us are interested in your interpretation of shobogenzo chapters you can not fail us.in my case i have begin to study them like 5 years ago and I like your interpretation of them .just we need it.also we deserve them.the universe is wating for them and sure during the writing process a lot of other insights appear.......this is your reason to be here sorry......

[@benrusher581]

I curious as to why you say that 'your' body belongs to the viewers of the video more than it does you?

[@TheTarutau]

As a child each book I read I read knowing it was their painting on a canvas. From Anne rice's lestat to the field equations of einstein. In their fiction and in their truth I would seek that which lies beyond the illusion. It's what brought me to dna. The search for what am I is far more complex then anyone could have dreamed of. And the possibilities are endless. It's delay can only cost more lives and cause more suffering. History has given this sigma five certainty as well.kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3XLkmecrZl2n6s

[@kawoom2872]

[@landedzentry]

your desire does not belong to you lol. What are *you*? The desire-sentence can be disturbing when we infer from it that what we are ("you" are) is some sort of fated robot or on train tracks with the illusion of self, a false sense of self and ...kind of living a lie. What are "you" in all this?. Don't forget (lol) to look at this from what you really are.....God maybe for want of a quick umbrella word. Thus your desire does belong to you..lol...everything "belongs" to you including perhaps a strong sense of self/ being a person in the middle of your own dream All the doubts and problems are just part of The Game. We are the lion that thinks it's a sheep and even perhaps still does after it's sees it's lionlike reflection in the water (after a "turning word or meditation)..ie Enjoy the ride !