Your Dune™ takes are actually bad

[@Deivid-bn6yw]

Ngl this Dune movie seems to be an exact rip off of Frank Herberts book: Dune

[@jellevanbreugel325]

Noticed that as well, there's a lot of lines that are directly stolen from the book!

[@papasquat3882]

Even the characters have the same names! How have more people not realized this??

[@ManCarryingThing]

shit just noticed that

[@kirani111]

Plagiarism is crime, someone call the police!

[@a.wosaibi]

Even the title of the movie!

[@randomnerd2332]

"Were they going for an Oedipus complex" Frank Herbert rolling in the grave that he didn't add that weird sexual fetish on top of all the other weird fetishes throughout the series.

[@transformersrevenge9]

GRRM be like: I got you fam, incest is wincest.

[@saucevc8353]

Leto II and Ghanima in the Children of Dune book: "We would never marry, that's incest and that's disgusting." Paul from the Dune film: "Umm... yeah ... that would be gross... heh heh 😅"

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

Factos 👍

[@Shamino1]

He absolutely did. Oodles of subtext indicate towards it. You read the books, right?

[@evilpersonxxiv2881]

"It was only when she saw the rope come snaking down that Nayla had her orgasm" -God Emperor of Dune

[@Agos226]

My question is why are there no sunglasses in the future. If I was an atreides soldier moving to Arrakis from a grey and rainy planet and sunglasses didn’t come with my uniform I would just quit

[@ManCarryingThing]

haha true

[@TroySpace]

Or hats

[@jericosha2842]

Damn you broke Dune

[@pointynoodle]

@@TroySpace Cowboy hats and sunglasses would perfect the fremen look

[@TroySpace]

@@pointynoodle yee haw ride em Shai-Huluds!

[@melkimolk]

I think there are two explanations for the weird "Paul and Jessica sexual tension" scene. Either it was to show how unfamiliar and uncomfortable they felt in this strange, new, uncivilised part of the universe, to a point where they didn't know what to do or how to communicate properly. Or the much more logical explation which is that Paul was dune his mom.

[@Wired4Life2]

We’re dune here.

[@Kornknealious]

Groan

[@sophia-ff4iv]

Goddammit, take your like and go.

[@jlucero1]

It's explained in the book.

[@Kornknealious]

@@jlucero1 where? I've read the book recently..

[@jamesoblivion]

'Duncan is a useless character.' Duncan: establishes relations with the Fremen, saves Paul and Jessica multiple times, dies after killing NINETEEN goddamn Sardaukar in armed combat, a heretofore unheard-of feat in the world of Dune

[@jamiel6005]

all offscreen, I think may be the issue.

[@definitelynotjamie1192]

@@jamiel6005 Duncan killing the sardaukar and dying is one of the most important onscreen moments in the movie, what were you watching that didn’t show it?

[@MrPlito95]

@@definitelynotjamie1192 I think he is talking about the rest of the plot points, all of which happen offscreen, specially the fremen part.

[@uhbaoifuhoiafj456]

Mhhh watch the Dune 2 if it get released ^^

[@quinnarnold8733]

If you've read the whole Dune series, you especially know this take to be ridiculous.

[@mark-breen]

I guess in the end, the real Dune was having to read the same set of comments twice

[@TucoBenedicto]

Maybe the real Dune was the friends we made along the journey.

[@vicpc55]

It's the real Gom Jabbar test

[@afriendofjamis]

I figured the tension between Paul and his Mom implied how different their relationship has become. She used to get his clothes ready for him, guided him through their days and now it's the reverse. He's helping her with the stillsuit. I think it's also supposed to symbolized a mutual understanding that their previous life is dead (them taking off the old clothes) and a new one begins (putting on the stillsuit).

[@7elevenqt]

I also viewed it as Jessica seeing that Paul is no longer a child, but def no sexual tension.

[@Revanchist]

Yea, it's basically them casting off their old lives away. Their clothes were the only things that binded them to that life and now when they don the stillsuits they exchange that look which means that their new life has begun and that their relationship is now totally different.

[@patrickscottwalsh]

yeah this is it - its not like a sex things, its like paul is beyond her son now - he's the fucking becoming the kwisatz haderach

[@jeanlouise4707]

You're right. I guess it's just a bit harder to imply that on screen vs in the books where know exactly what Jessica was thinking at that time the realization occur.

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

naaah, it's obviously incest, it's not like they have a fetish so hard they see it everywhere... Or they're just got fans jumping on another series adaptation to cope

[@eightenten2010]

But Leto is hot in the books, Herbert be like "ohhh, he's tall, dark, thin and handsome with sharp features and gray eyes"

[@TucoBenedicto]

Well, at least until he turns into a horse-sized half-worm mutant.

[@eightenten2010]

@@TucoBenedicto who cares about the annoying worm dude, meh, I'm talking about Leto the dilf

[@rorangarrowson5]

Well I much of forgot about that part from the books.

[@feebtubereal]

hawkish nose hawkish nose hawkish nose plans within plans terrible purpose

[@eightenten2010]

@@feebtubereal that's it, that's the book.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

2:12 the middle movie wouldn't have Paul and Jessica in it at all until the end. Gurney Halleck would be the main character, making the second movie a musical, with a B plot of the Emperor challenging the Spacing Guild to a rap battle.

[@Wired4Life2]

Can Tom Hooper redeem himself after _Cats?_ Should we even give him that chance?

[@ManCarryingThing]

ok i see it now

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

I actually want to see that

[@MrMendi100]

It also needs to have a long, extended scene of Thufir, milking that cat from 1984s dune

[@szymonlechdzieciol]

I think they could do middle movie from Paul escape to Paul ascending. There is enough interesting fremen shit then for it to be middle of trilogy

[@WillParry00]

I'll be waiting for the romantic scene where Chani Kynes says " I, Chani, have sharted in my stillsuit. Three times, all on purpose"

[@ManCarryingThing]

just like Adolin

[@aikenumholtz3539]

It really was that kind of Brando reference after all!

[@graydrive5796]

The fuck am I missing lol maybe it's my fault for only reading the first book

[@paladin1164]

Amazing comment

[@VoxAstra-qk4jz]

​@@graydrive5796Yes, it's your fault. Shame on you.

[@al3exify]

The Butlerian Jihad was actually very Poggers

[@jacobgoodrich6984]

it was machines that chained the human spirit. machines not poggers

[@gregothy9190]

All religious war is poggers

[@olorin3815]

machines did nothing wrong they just wanted to stop being used as sex slaves and vessels for all the porn content they wanted their freedom

[@gavinsmith9871]

Based.

[@ChristmasLore]

Please, don't wake the Dragon!

[@IvoJim]

I did not pick up on the Paul/Jessica thing at all. I thought they just felt awkward that they had to change in front of each other

[@olorin3815]

@Corgore that actually makes no sense wouldnt they have maids or whatever to help them dress if they are rich ? LOL

[@Ramoreira86]

@Corgore youre right they dont lol

[@ResistanceQuest]

Me too

[@ohmynoche]

Same

[@chimpinaneckbrace]

All these people watch too much PornHub and then are constantly like “are you thinking what I’m thinking?”. No, it’s just you.

[@cameronbennett1809]

The scene where they were changing is just Jessica realizing that Paul is not a child anymore.

[@jasonkonas]

There is something more that was there. Maybe she thought he looked like Leto from the backside and she longs for her husband and that maybe the audience just misinterpreted that as a longing for her son. Regardless, definitely not just "realizing Paul is not a child anymore".

[@ToomanyFrancis]

it's her realizing that he's of age.

[@jasonkonas]

@@ToomanyFrancis Lol, that's the look then "Ooh, nobody is around and will probably be stranded forever. Should I take advantage or not?"

[@firstlast6796]

yeah everyone who makes it into some Oedipus thing are basically self-reporting lol

[@jasonkonas]

@@firstlast6796 there is always someone who ruins a conversation by throwing out insults.

[@Pengalen]

Re: Bagpipes. Despite the Atreides being obviously and explicitly Greek in descent, planet Caladan is literally just planet Scotland, previously known as Caledonia.

[@TomTasker]

also the bagpipe is a really old instrument, possibly its oldest depiction is from 1000 BC on a Hittite artifact from Anatolia (modern Turkey)

[@paolob.5667]

"Οικογένεια Ατρείδης" sounds so sick

[@keithklassen5320]

Lots of real historical countries had variations on the bagpipe, including Greece. Scotland is the country that really sank their teeth into that particular form factor and held on until the modern age, but it really was all over.

[@athmaid]

The Spaniards have bagpipes too and fight bulls which the Scotts aren't really known for. Frank Herbert seems to have mixed quite a few european cultures

[@deankruse2891]

⁠@@paolob.5667Atreidesjust means descendants of Atreus

[@ParzivalTheThird]

In the scene where they’re changing, what I see is Jessica being caught off guard by Paul’s sudden drive. His sudden ability to know exactly what they need to do, and exactly how to do it without wasting any time. It’s also her really realising that they’re no longer gonna be pampered royals, they’ll have to adapt to the environment and do whatever it takes to survive, no matter how uncivilised or degrading.

[@oopsalldrip1376]

Dune™ should have been a 17 hour long movie with multiple intermissions shown over several days. Wait, shit, I'm confusing Dune™ with The Ring Cycle again.

[@brendanb2982]

Thanks, Goku

[@ideal2472]

Dune Herbert really shouldn’t have stolen so much stuff from Star Wars tho

[@yellowflametree4238]

Nah Dune def shamelessly stole elements from Star Trek and Marvel Movies even

[@seanhewitt603]

Uh, er, um... Ya got that backwards my slow witted friend...

[@seanhewitt603]

​@@yellowflametree4238startrek blows. Nothing in Dune even remotely resembles that Scientologists acid trip startrek...

[@Garl_Vinland]

It’s just Warhammer

[@hritviknijhawan1737]

You realise that Dune is the one that inspired Star Wars right?

[@wookiebarista]

The context may not have been clear enough within the movie but the undressing scene was nothing close to oedipal. While Jessica has spent a good deal of time with her son it has been essentially training him. We see her emotions in the film yet these arent shared with Paul and there is little intimacy between them. Changing in eachothers presence is so out of the norm that even though they are on the run, and it is necessary for their circumstance to cease water loss, their looks to one another is that royal distance giving them pause. Paul only sees his mother in full dress being formal at all times. There are a score of servants. Theres no hanging out in pajamas watching tv with Paul. Its ok everybody. No incest going on here.

[@richardbourton4523]

Thinking about it there’s the reverend mother scene where she specifically tells him to get dress and leaves immediately (as you might) but maybe that’s meant to be the counterpoint to the later scene, showing how much has changed in such a short time.

[@tanah6962]

@@richardbourton4523 I think so too. I think it's just them realising that they're new people, doing things without propriety

[@MaxIronsThird]

It's kind of hard to show that on film.

[@maiu1922]

I thought that too! so much had changed.

[@theflashgordon193]

If needed I will hire you as a lawyer.

[@deathwitheponine]

I thought the changing scene was weird as well but if you look at it where Paul is the one taking all the control when before the attack on arakeen Jessica was always in control, and then realize that since they've fled and since Paul used the voice on her in the tent, this is probably the first time she's really understanding that her son is actually grown. He sets down his bag and is just like 'we're gonna change into stillsuits let's go' blam without even looking to her at all for guidance or instruction or permission. I don't think it's meant to be sexual at all, I think she's just realizing she can't really think of him as her little child anymore, he's grown up very quickly.

[@deathwitheponine]

man i appreciate you even reading this stream of consciousness word salad. does it make sense? maybe. i don't even know. have a great day.

[@ZemplinTemplar]

I had the exact same impression. It also mirrors how it's depicted in the novel perfectly. Leto is dead, Paul and his mother Jessica are forced into exile, Paul fully realizes that not only was he reaised to be a mature-minded kid, he now needs to take on the role of a mature young man. Trouble is, deep down, Paul still feels he's just a more grown-up child.

[@annasimpson4147]

there's something grown in that tent alright

[@Material_Monkey]

The internet is just porn addicted and sees sex in everything

[@NameNotAChannel]

The Bagpipes told me that Dune is part of the Highlander cinematic universe, and an immortal was in the employ of house Atreides, playing the bagpipes for them.

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

It also tells us after tens of thousands of years the bagpipe will still survive. And it's the only one that does, the other instruments were all weird like a tiny metal electric piano or a cube string thingy. It also informs us of the Spices power to make bagpipe music sound cooler.

[@rodzila8314]

idk, if you saw sexual tension in that scene you are kind of sus.

[@IAmGameAddicted]

This, people need to mature their minds

[@LoyaltotheNightsky]

Everybody gotta be sus sometimes. Embrace it.

[@Tyler_W]

I thought it was kind of a weird and awkward moment, but not for a moment did I think the movie was trying to imply they were getting weird.

[@MrBleuskyz]

I agree because what I saw was a mothers sadness and a sons longing for independence. Throughout the movie it’s clear Jessica wants to huddle and protect Paul and guide him with leading hands. But Paul wanted responsibility, independence. Which is again shown when Jessica looks out with anxiety and a worry only a mother could have. “My baby’s all grown up.”

[@TylerWardhaha]

It felt to me that Jessica was looking because she didn’t really know what she was doing.

[@benjaminkol9326]

I think people are just imagining sexual tension between Paul and Jessica, solely because we know the actors aren't related. If that was your mother, it would be totally meaningless

[@Woodside235]

If these people were forced to imagine themselves and their mother changing in front of one another, then Paul and Jessica's tension would suddenly makes sense. It's not sexual, it's just uncomfortable for both of them.

[@jasonkonas]

@@Woodside235 She was watching Paul for longer than necessary. A quick glance back because you feel awkward is normal, watching him take his shirt off with a longing(?) look is what's making people uncomfortable. If it wasn't there, then so many people wouldn't be pointing it out.

[@Woodside235]

@@jasonkonas I guess I just interpreted it as concern for her son, not interest.

[@jasonkonas]

@@Woodside235 If it were reversed, and you saw a father looking at her daughter that way, would you just think concern for his daughter? really?

[@Woodside235]

​@@jasonkonas I generally do not assume everyone is a sexual predator. Maybe that's naive of me.

[@mrzfunk]

That's not sexual tension between Paul and Jessica. It's pure discomfort: Paul has recently learned that his mother bred him to be a super hero as part of a weird religious cult ritual, and Jessica has just learned that she successfully birthed a superhero. Theyre both weirded out by this change in their relationship and feel uncomfortable around each other not knowing exactly what they are anymore.

[@Zeko-gf7rr]

THANK YOU. People should try to get a better understanding of the material before coming to disgusting conclusions.

[@the_writers_block]

I'm certain the opening lines of Dune read: " Leto, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Le-to: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of two steps down the palate to tap, at two, on the teeth." Herbert was hot for Leto and so should you.

[@ManCarryingThing]

oh god oh no

[@isidorregenfu9632]

Incredible

[@yellowflametree4238]

For context this line is from Lolita which is another space opera set in the distant future

[@McDonaldsCalifornia]

Lol leto

[@MagusMarquillin]

Bagpipes are eternal, and so is Scotland! The names may be gone but the spirit endures to inhabit the next noble, uncompromising, hopeless cause underdog of the galaxy.

[@firstlast6796]

also the name of the atreides home planet "caladan" comes from "Caledonia" which is the old latin name for scotland. the bagpipes are sick and totally work in-universe.

[@MagusMarquillin]

@@firstlast6796 Heh, I guess the name's not quite gone! I always here about the ancient Greek connection of Atreides = Atreus but they can represent more then one thing from old Terra. However, I always wondered about the latter choice as Greek myth paints the Atreus house as much more fucked up then their future counterparts.

[@mechavos4066]

funny thing is - the scene between Paul and Jessica probably has some deep completely non-romantic meaning which Denis put there not realising what the audience would see instead (when I watched the movie, I didn't have any weird thoughts, hope I'm not the only one)

[@gavinsmith9871]

You're not, I didn't either.

[@sampew1605]

you were not the only one

[@chainthunder083]

I never noticed anything weird when I watched it

[@TheLuckyBubu]

I thought Jessica looked unsettled because Paul had changed a lot, having become more Mentat-like, also didn't think it was sexual. What is wrong with people...

[@TheMrShnickers]

You’re not these guys are just bad at interpreting relationships that’s beyond sexual.

[@magisterofsteam7880]

I honestly LOVED the bagpipes in the movie.

[@merck__]

Dune takes place in the Cosmere, how else do you explain Paul going from a Dark Eyes to a Light Eyes.

[@ManCarryingThing]

it all makes sense now

[@Beast80001]

He's becoming a legitimate youtuber as opposed to just shorts.

[@landon3137]

I’m pretty sure the matter of-ahem-defecation is mentioned at some point in Dune. I can’t really remember where, but I think whoever explained it (Kynes, maybe?) said that feces was processed in the thighs of the suit. I feel like it was during the scene in the ornithopter when we first see a worm. Edit: Just checked the wiki, and it’s actually during the scene where Kynes first shows Leto his stillsuit.

[@ManCarryingThing]

thank you

[@seamusmckeon9109]

It’s also mentioned in Dune (1984)

[@jingusflorpus4274]

My Dune take is that my favorite parts of the movie were the parts where I couldn’t hear anything because the music was so loud. Especially when Jessica was whispering really fast in British and I caught maybe 20% of the stuff she said

[@carolinecolbert5692]

Love your the world ends with you profile pic, haven't played that game in a long time

[@ShirDeutch]

lol I can't relate to that because movies have subtitles in my country so there's no chance of that ever happening.

[@davidloveday8473]

"In British" :-)

[@Randomaccount9470]

I can't defend Americans anymore fam 😂​@@davidloveday8473

[@LuisCalle98]

Reading COD and thinking about how some people will be grossed out by the close relationship between Leto and Ghanima only because healthy opposite sex sibling haven’t been portrayed quite as often enough as toxic or even hatefully abusive relationships between opposite sex siblings. Like yes you can show a super emotionally close opposite sex sibling relationship without it becoming some sort of incestious fantasy porn.

[@landofthehazymist]

Sokka and katara

[@ishanbajpai6940]

2:50 Yeah, I also noticed people mention this nonsense and I hate that reading of it. Can't you see, she is his Mother and both of them are in a difficult and uncomfortable situation and she is noticing her son adapting too quickly to all this and teaching how to survive in the desert while all his life she was his teacher. She is also probably a bit afraid of him. I think they were clearly showing Jessica being uncomfortable to change her clothes like this while looking at Paul just moving forward with it without thinking much.

[@nenadmilovanovic5271]

Yeah, they probably never changed in the same space, being filthy rich and having servants.

[@elonif4125]

In the books at one time Jessica specifically mentions that she is afraid of Paul, so I think you’re right

[@saulitix]

I don't get why so many people are weirder out by the relationship between Paul and his mom. I didn't feel any... tension? But I guess the problem is that Paul doesn't look 15 at all and Jessica is way to young to be his mom.

[@dreamer2260]

It definitely felt totally convincing as a mother-son relationship to me and really no-one has the imagination that in the world of Dune, Lady Jessica couldn't possibly look younger than she would in our world? Come on.

[@dreamer2260]

@Corgore Exactly.

[@firstlast6796]

the actress playing lady Jessica is almost 40, chalamet is barely into his twenties. they are totally viable as a mother and son. The thing that's tripping people up is that Rebecca Ferguson (the actress) is attractive and mom's in movies are usually pretty asexualized unless that's a part of the plot. Basically, people need to grow tf up. If you think a brief glance between mother and son is Oedipal, you need to go to therapy lol

[@nn-NeuralNetwork]

@@firstlast6796 Chalamet is almost 26 lmao

[@firstlast6796]

@@nn-NeuralNetwork okay, my bad i guess, still doesn't matter if the mom looks a bit younger than her character's age. These actors are playing people from the year 10,000, It doesn't really strain credulity to think they would age differently from what we're used to.

[@saladdodger4722]

I interpreted the looks between Paul and Jessica as like a 'so shit are we just getting naked on this rock, oh shit they are so I guess so' sort of look.

[@MajorJack92]

honestly this is probably the best take. it's how I interpreted it anyway

[@VMLM3]

I'm pretty sure the whole recycling ur poop thing was addressed in the first book. If I remember correctly, there's something in there about the stillsuit pulling the water out of solid waste. There's also a scene in there explaining that the Fremen poop and pee a lot less due to the lack of moisture in their bodies, which is why they're not walking around with huge mushy turds in their suits.

[@ManCarryingThing]

thank you

[@bransonbrass]

Also, in the Lynch version, Liet-Kynes tells Paul and Leto that feces is processed in the thigh pads.

[@ndimasilwana4894]

The awkwardness between Paul and Jessica in that one scene is simple: would you feel comfortable, as an aristocratic teenage boy, getting changed in front of your mom in the middle of the wilderness?

[@romankotas448]

You’re mom who’s part of an order renowned for using sexual manipulation to achieve their ends and even in the books and she’s known as a baddy looks-wise

[@SpunkMonkey]

Recycling feces as waste was in the books, but I don't remember which one. I do remember wondering if dehydrated poop was released as a block or like coffee grounds.

[@joshuajohnson4451]

wow a water renewal system and also a infinite source of coffee grounds, I need one of these

[@SpunkMonkey]

@@joshuajohnson4451 You'll have to make your own, Fremen bury theirs in the deepest desert like kitty litter

[@jan_Masewin]

coffee service please

[@TroySpace]

"Basil, this coffee tastes like shit." "Austin, it *is* shit." "Good, I thought it was just me. Kinda nutty."

[@romankotas448]

In some cultures dried animal shit is used to make houses

[@montagskyrunner5884]

Let me just say that hair is looking mighty fresh.

[@BarderBetterFasterStronger]

Yeah I think the viewers picking up on sexual tension between Paul and his mom outed themselves in a perfectly fitting Freudian slip. That scene portrayed the fact that necessity dictated that they change right there in front of each other and it was uncomfortable for them. The scene symbolized that their lives of comfortability and royalty were over and lives of dire brutal desert practicality were at hand.

[@jongensspelenspellen5471]

"The Baron was a jolly old lad" -Man Carrying Thing, 2021

[@ebiosh2032]

the one scene where the doctor and paul spoke in straight mandarin chinese made me laugh in the cinema. 1. the language survived, which is almost as funny as the bagpipes surviving 2. how many people would hear that and thought it was a fictional alien language? but its just mandarin chinese vdjkshavdbj

[@kombuchas4684]

SAME. I freaked out. I was also really impressed by Timothee's pronunciation

[@AW-kr9fl]

It was a great scene because there wouldn’t be only one language on a whole planet

[@ultraguy14]

@@AW-kr9fl That's how I took it too. They could have made up a bunch of fake languages, but they're already speaking English in the first place. Simpler to just throw in another real language than trying to come up with 3 kinds of gibberish that sounds kind of real.

[@Black_pearl_adrift]

I've just realised that the Jessica/ Paul tag on AO3 is probably having a boost in new works and readers rn 💀

[@MarMarital]

You’ve made me curious I’m gonna check this right now

[@MarMarital]

Ok so I looked this up and there are 578 Dune fanfics on Ao3 and 25 Paul/Jessica fanfics. 7 were written after the movie, but 6 of them are in Chinese. I don’t get it? Do Chinese people like incest I’m confused

[@hhoi8225]

Whaaaaa

[@Revanchist]

@@MarMarital Japanese and Chinese kinda have a thing for it. Don't look up all the fucked up manga/manwha with it.

[@landofthehazymist]

​@@MarMaritalu cant just go on ao3 and somehow assume all or most chinese ppl are into incest tf

[@garbothacan2210]

I know this is a few weeks old now but I finally got the chance to watch it. I saw Dune 3 separate times and with each viewing the "tension" between Lady Jessica and Paul seems way less tension-y and significantly more Lady Jessica looking to see what Paul is doing since he's so much more knowledgeable about surviving Arrakis. It's a reversal of roles. Lady Jessica got Paul to where he is now and now it's Paul's turn to help her out. The tension immediately dissolves when you realize that Paul has pretty much taught his mom everything she needs to do to survive the harsh reality that is Arrakis.

[@TotallyRadicalShow]

Holy shit my comment made it in to the thumbnail. Bless the Maker and his memes.

[@thebigsida6645]

Just finished Dune and it blew me away how much Robert Jordan was inspired by Dune! I'd even say it had more influence than LotR

[@allowe4186]

I would def agree that Dune is for the sci-fi genre what LotR is for the fantasy genre.

[@king_dot]

Yeah I agree, I read dune shortly before wheel of time and I had the same reaction, it’s surprising that more people don’t talk about it. I mean Rand is pretty much Paul, the Aes Sedai are the Bene Gesserit, and there’s the whole thing where only women have the magical power with the only exception being the chosen one

[@thebigsida6645]

@@king_dot Yeah and the Fremen are Aiel! There are so many parallels

[@luckyharbinger2054]

It's almost like Dune is just another turning of the Wheel, lol.

[@rhystaylor6939]

An entire generation of people who can't understand the concept of tension between two people that doesn't result in sex.

[@Randomaccount9470]

Kinda like how 2 people depicted as close friends always gotta be gay in fan minds

[@AKA_Kira]

I thought them looking was to ensure they were turned away while they changed

[@japevicho3117]

I like the new baron, the Lynch one was gross but in a "poor" way, like one of the miserable tunnel-dwelling mutants of total recall. The new one is repulsive and mutated but in a way that you also think he's rich and elegant in his own alien way.

[@TucoBenedicto]

"White people being able to handle spice simply isn't believable". Someone has never been in Italy, I see.

[@Nersius]

White does not mean European, White is a historical power structure used to subjugate other cultures, much like how Germans were not considered White by Benjamin Franklin and many of his contemporaries around the founding. Yes, many European cultures have rich and flavourful foods, but I would argue Whiteness is primarily derived from the United States (ketchup is spicy) and England (a nation known for its excessively bland food).

[@TucoBenedicto]

@@Nersius white also doesn’t mean whatever you conveniently and selectively want it to mean at any given moment. It just means “of Caucasian roots”. Which Italians (among many) absolutely are.

[@walternate2914]

@@Nersius so white means power structure for subjugating other cultures but German Nazis who subjugated other cultures are not whites. Got it.

[@oliviapg]

@@TucoBenedicto Ironically, throughout history the term white actually has been quite often used conveniently and selectively to mean whatever the speaker wants it to mean at that moment

[@Nersius]

@@TucoBenedicto Giving another definition from a historic/overly academic perspective to give us a different view, not the common contemporary definition. From Benjamin Franklin: ''... why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion. 24. Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased...''

[@Syrenkai]

Duncan Idaho's portrayal seeming like a guy from a different movie is solid. Because Duncan Idaho lives in his own fucking world, he is the hottest motherfucker, best at swords, unbreakable good heart, and he's almost always a cheerful force, he's this fuckin Shonen Protag in the middle of hellscape political nightmare.

[@sahelanthropus6986]

my view on the scene where Paul and Lady Jessica where changing into the still-suits where that Paul know the severity of there environmental situation and need to get into the still-suit asap and so when their atop of the rock Paul immediately begins to get changed while Jessica takes a moment to realise what he's doing then becomes uncomfortable with the lack of privacy to get changed and hesitates. When Paul looks back he's checking to see if she got the picture before he goes on to change completely as I imagine you might have to stirp bare to wear a still-suit because of the whole recycled water thing.

[@milesuphere5648]

I always saw the “changing scene” was like Jessica had never worn a Stillsuit and was looking to Paul as an example.

[@luans.40]

Heretics and Chapterhouse are very underated

[@Revanchist]

To be fair Duncan was a useless character and Frank Herbert brought him back into Messiah as fan service. From then on he became really important. Also if anyone else says the Fremen are budget Aiel I'm going to murder someone.

[@LawFerryAC]

The Fremen are budget Ai....what?....who are you?...What are you doing in my rooodjdhksdbsksbdks

[@OBryanAguiar]

Just finished the first book and I just got a spoiler.

[@talsubach5979]

I think Paul not making choices in the first part of the book is intentional. He is seemingly thrust into the desert by a series of events he cannot control which force him to make difficult decisions later on.

[@kiloryn4269]

Disappointed my attack on Titan comment didn’t make it in. I’m still waiting on Paul to turn into a Titan and fight the worm

[@petitnicollas]

01:11 This guy knew they would make the popcorn bucket.

[@maxtube444]

*gasp* HE IS LISAN AL-GAIB

[@stevo19991]

the real Dune was the comments we made along the way

[@aster5767]

Im pretty sure the uncomfortable tension during the changing scene was cause they had to strip which would be weird to do in front of your parents at any age

[@Lechuga1815]

Now i'm imagining Seth Rogen as Baron Harkonnen and it's fantastic. Also, the Marlon Brando reference was because he rises out of the oil like Brando in Apocalypse Now.

[@TrappedInDeep]

They definitely picked Jason Mamoa because Duncan Idaho is CONSTANTLY described in all the books as basically "the hottest man in the universe". They bring him back to life like 100,000 times for breeding stock. It's very funny.

[@REChronic54]

I guess what you see in Paul and Jessica is dependent on how corrupt your mind is. And apparently Duncan x Paul is also a thing among some people.

[@bickboose9364]

hollywood taught people to see sex and sexual tension in everything

[@jenm1]

It’s not a purity war. I’ve seen plenty of fucked up shit and have learned positive relationships can exist without incest

[@roboct6]

Lots of interesting perspectives. I enjoyed the film. I haven’t read the book. My wife has and she says me that it reads a bit like a history book much like Lord of the Rings does. She adds that this is why it has largely been considered impossible to adapt for the screen. We both enjoyed the film. I was actually concerned about the casting of Jason Mamoa because I find him to be an actor of limited range. So I was pleasantly surprised at the performance Villeneuve coaxed out of him. Regarding the 80s version of Dune, David Lynch hates the film and tried on several occasions to get his name taken off of it. Why? Because the studio took that film away from him. The final cut was approved by Dino DeLaurentis, the producer of the film. What you see on the screen is not with David Lynch envisioned. So when people say they prefer that version or even praise it more highly than the current version, in all honesty I find a little bit silly. Denis Villeneuve is fan of the Dune. Love it or hate, he put what he saw in his head as a teenager on the screen. I mean, how cool is that? Someone is always going to disappointed with screen adaptations. It has to be that way because no two people generate the same images in their imagination. I think the scene between Lady Jessica and Paul changing clothes was just about modesty. Who would be comfortable, as an adult, stripping down completely naked in front of a parent or child? I did notice a hat tip to Apocalypse Now and Brando’s Kurtz in the scene where the Baron is rubbing his face.

[@jenm1]

Lord of the rings is about anarcho capitalism being good and dune is about it being bad lol

[@QueenGigan]

With the scene for Jessica and Paul I read it was an acknowledgement from Jessica that he isn't just her kid anymore, he's an adult and the now-Duke. So she looks away since they will no longer be as close as they used to be. 'She is now my enemy' on Paul's part. I guess that is still a little Oedipus, but at least it didn't go full Oedipus.

[@romankotas448]

It’s oedipus-ish

[@alexjackson9067]

In the movie when Paul is watching the ecology holobook, the movie says that sandworms can grow up to 400 meters, then 30 seconds later it says that the tree with the deepest roots in the desert can grow up to 400 ft. I loved the movie it was literally perfect

[@emptilion]

I don't know. I really didn't get "sexual tension" from that changing scene at all when I first saw it. I will definitely admit that I didn't fully grasp what they were trying to tell us there at first, but I definitely didn't think anything sexual was implied there.

[@dr.sommercamp3435]

"Yea, but it's a dry heat!" - "Knock it off, Hudson!" ...look, what you did forced me to do!😂

[@saursoar]

Dude not gonna lie that cut is fresh as fuckkkk!!

[@ManCarryingThing]

thanks!

[@gs8494]

I found the scene where they change into their stillsuits weird, not because of the sexual tension, but more because of just how complex Paul and Jessicas relationship is, in the books it shifts between love, the platonic parent child kind before we get lost in that again, fear, hate, pride, surprise, and confusion. It's just all over the place at times. Deliberately so in my opinion, it just seems to hammer home more how everything could swallow Paul up and he'd be lost to everything happening around him and lose all his agency, after all most of his journey is him coming to terms with what he is and trying to navigate a path through it that hopefully doesn't spell disaster for humanity.

[@cronotrigger1949]

in the books when the planetologist guy was explaining the stillsuits he mentions that urine and feces are filtered in the thighs area, so there's that

[@flyingnunfan0798]

The real dune where the friends we made along the way

[@Nightley4]

Ah, so that changing scene *is* weird, glad I'm not the only one.

[@jimmyboyle3543]

Totally agree about Duncan being miscast, but I also don’t really understand that character’s popularity. Maybe in the sequels I’ll connect more.

[@reubenm.d.5218]

I thought Momoa was a good choice. Idaho is a warrior, perhaps a little naive but wise in his field. The scene in the barracks was a great depiction of his comfort zone. [Spoilers for Dune book below] Ultimately, though, Idaho isn't capable of adapting and surviving in the same way that Halleck is. So Momoa's embodiment of Idaho ends in a bombastic, dramatic, soldierly death.

[@beresrobert4262]

MONEOOO, WHERE IS MY DUNCAN?? Not to mention the scummy Tleilaxu in Dune Messiah ;)

[@seancatacombs]

Dune is sort of the prototype for a contemporary sci-fi story with characterization, worldbuilding, and narrative other than "wouldn't it be cool if THIS technology existed??" That's why it feels so weirdly similar to a dozen other things you've read/watched.

[@Tyler_W]

I loved the bagpipes. Something about their obnoxious shieking gets the blood pumping. When I first heard them in the movie, I actively had to resist the urge to fist pump the air and yell "space bagpipes! Let's goooo!!!"

[@YouCallThataKnife253]

Mans watering the fig trees was *mad* sweaty

[@leonmayne797]

‘I’d let the baron sit on my face.’ RIP J Sande, who died from head crushing.

[@MB-sq7yn]

"Skarsgard's Baron holds onto Lynch camp" In what universe? The guy barely emotes and moves like a roiling storm as opposed to Lynches farting balloon clown man.

[@beepboop9628]

This is such a ridiculously accurate description of both of these depictions of Baron 💀💀💀

[@sheeplastname430]

The lack of a Space Guild Navigator is a great choice because it builds a mystery around them.

[@evandavid9087]

Stillsuits I believe have a package for solid waste that is mentioned when Paul gets his first stillsuit from Kynes

[@dcguy3]

13:47 I'd say the bagpipes worked to show familiar elements of human culture yet alien in how they're used by the time of Dune

[@sheogorath6804]

What I find weird about the bagpipes is that the Atreides is a supposedly Greek line descended from the Argonauts yet they choose the Bagpipes who have little to no relation to Greece.

[@acekoala457]

The Bagpipes playing Arabic/Byzantine tunes was very haunting and cool. Hans Zimmer did a good job with this soundtrack.

[@anonimanonim2710]

I read the whole series at 12-13 and I remember having the hots for literally every female character: Jessica, her very young daughter (on whom I even had a crush), the orange eyed sith gesserites, the emperor's granddaughter... We can go on!

[@lordphinix3]

I'm pretty sure the navigators didn't actually show up in the original novel. Dune messiah though...

[@lordphinix3]

Could have missed them though.

[@Shinooobi211]

If I remember it correctly, it was only mentioned how they look weird AF. Later we obviously meet one in Messiah.

[@BidnessGoose]

About Leto being hot, it’s explicitly stated that he’s glad Jessica brought beauty back to the family, implying he isn’t.

[@jenniferbarrett555]

The princess Irulan reference is killing me

[@chriskp]

As long as there is one person to survive with Scottish ancestors, you better believe there will still be bagpipes. Also, I immediately spit my pancake out when you read the comment about internet porn. And again the second time after I cleaned up and knew it was coming.

[@ianirwin9480]

4:36 in the book Kynes explains that both urine and feces are processed in the suit's thigh region, so yes, the Fremen are constantly pooping their pants

[@dudumangs7140]

Duncan Idaho is unironically one of the stupidiest names I've ever heard. And I've seen Star Wars

[@the_writers_block]

This video was hilarious. So many great comments. But I guess we'll never know if the true top rated comment about suspenders made it into the first take that has been lost to history.

[@ManCarryingThing]

fun fact it actually was but for some reason I didn't read it a second time

[@hhoi8225]

*frantically tries to remember if I had a take*

[@nunya1390]

There are valid criticisms, with the ending and pacing in particular, but as someone with decades of familiarity with the fantasy genre I absolutely LOVED this movie.

[@pointynoodle]

I think the Paul-Jessica tension was this: now that Leto is dead, Paul has essentially become the man his father was. He now holds the power of the title Atreides, but is also distinctly at an advantage in the desert environment compared to Jessica who is more at ease in the court. The balance of power has shifted, with Jessica no longer being the matron, but rather entering a subtler advisory role. The change of clothing represents their uneasy shift into their new roles, and I think the look was supposed to communicate that they weren't sure what they were to each other in their new situation.

[@priyamsingh4885]

Harry Potter carrying thing

[@SqueakyNeb]

Josh Brolin being bad is such an ass take. That line about the Harkonnen's in the training scene gives me CHILLS every goddamn time, it's SO GOOD.

[@nimishrai257]

Our boi Daniel got to go to the WoT premiere!! Whatdya mean it's wrong channel?

[@thereccher8746]

Dune definitely needed to be a trilogy. I imagine LOTR as only two movies. It would have fallen short.

[@barry5]

"out of all the things to stand the rltest of time... Bagpipes" But bagpipes are awesome! Seriously! They're really cool. Just listen to Iridium and then come back and tell me that they wouldn't be the one thing you'd try to preserve at all costs.

[@krackycomix2998]

Paul not having agency is the point, people are quick to dump the nuances of the series and cast Paul purely as a villian, but part of the point of dune is how great figures end up getting swept up into history. This is made even more clear via Paul’s prescience, he has literally no choice but to doom everyone or continued forward and feels trapped by his future.