Yousef Alshamlan Qualified for the Olympics 🎉

Kuwaiti fencer Yousef Alshamlan has made history by qualifying for the 2024 Paris Olympics in sabre fencing
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[@Johnny-Michael]

Corruption that infects sports is so saddening

[@sanane66543]

but natural any and every sport is completely corrupted: people cheat by using certain ped, doping, drugs, buying refs, betting organisations fixing matches etc etc it has always been this way and will never change

[@zxt5148]

@@sanane66543 It hasn't always been this way. Sports used to be about the spirit of competition not win by any means.

[@johncaughey7583]

Look at Las Vegas getting new teams and sports betting. It's all in the money now. No sportsmanship anymore

[@SupaShinyRock]

I feel though it’s mostly fencing. My friends say that the referees aren’t bias in other sports, they’re just annoying. In fencing, the referees are just plain corrupt.

[@threethrushes]

As a non-fencer I thought that it was all electronically recorded. I didn't realise referees were still needed.

[@gost3480]

so did i.

[@Myrr21]

In two of the three weapons (foil and sabre), there are "right of way" rules, which means that if both fencers make contact, the point can go either way depending on who had the right of way (short version: if you are being attacked, you have to defend yourself first before you can attack back). In foil, it causes some problems, but it is a mess in sabre because it happens so incredibly fast and it is very difficult to not get hit if your opponent commits to attacking. This encourages both fencers to be hyper-aggressive in attacking as starting your attack first gives you the right of way. This leads to a LOT of cases of "both electronic lights are on, so the judge has to determine who had right of way"...and a lot of bad (or maybe corrupt?) refereeing.

[@abdulkarimelnaas7595]

​@@Myrr21It seems this could be solved with more sensitive equipment or more precise displays than just a light. If you can be accurate to the nearest tiny fraction of a second and have that time recorded, it is unlikely that two touches would keep happening at the same time.

[@andrewmeany5461]

@@abdulkarimelnaas7595that’s not the problem, they use electricity it’s incredibly fast, right of way exists on purpose there are designed time windows for it to be allowed

[@Myrr21]

@@abdulkarimelnaas7595 This issue is that it's not about who *hits* first; it's about who had the right to be attacking at that moment. If I start my attack first, you make no attempt to stop me and hit me, and I continue through and hit you, I get the point even though you hit me first, because I had the right of way. On the other hand, if I start attacking first and you parry my attack and hit me back (or I hesitate and briefly stop my attack and you hit me), and I continue on and hit you, it is your point because I lost the right of way. That's where the judgement comes into it--who started first and was there a pause or a parry or similar--and you can't solve that with electronics. It would need a fundamental change in the basic rules of the sport. Note that epee does not have right of way rules. If we both hit each other within a certain time frame (the electronics intentionally have a window of time after the first hit where a second is allowed to go through), both of us get a point.

[@Bugatti12563]

what a surprise, the oil elite want to be the best in elite, high prestige sports, no matter what the cost.

[@Gentleman...Driver]

Its even more to it. Participating or even holding out big international sport events are like a recognition of the government. "Our athletes are in the Olympic games" / "You are here with us in our country watching the world cup / Formula 1" ... "therefor you are recognizing us as a country and our government as legitimate." Sports always have been political.

[@HeavyLefty]

@@Gentleman...Driveris this what politics?

[@knight6257]

Refereeing in saber seriously needs some control

[@leftysabreuse3257]

Shame on Yousuf Alshamlan and everyone involved. Everyone say his name for what he is, a cheater, not a true Olympian.

[@khalidalyaqout9510]

Hey yousef al shamlan didn’t cheat He is the worlds best fencer❤ it’s not his fault that referee is bullshit

[@852fencing]

😂😂are u kidding me ??

[@oliver4693]

Lying Arab

[@abdulalibux1416]

True Olympian were only free white men. Not slaves or serfs or any kind of woman. Majority of participants were paid soldiers . Allowing them to eat healthy and train all year long. So there was always an element of unfairness and bias in the Olympics. Both the USSR/Russia, USA, China and all of Western Europe have institutionalized doping and cheating programs to this day.

[@Xealoot]

@@khalidalyaqout9510 idiot

[@DonovanDeans]

2:27 Surprise, Surprise. Coach: Tarantino. Arguably the most reprehensible "sportsman" of Sabre 2 generations ago, followed only by his successor, Ochiuzzi, who holds that title for Sabre 1 generation ago. Alshamlan may be a disgrace, but he is hardly "alone", nor the root of the problem, just a symptom. Reflection of the weakness of the institution and still prevalent vulnerability to bribery and coercion - the latter being an important focal point. I think it would be remiss to say all of these referees are corrupt at the core, but I can only imagine what pressures both for gain / or for consequence, they are under, for a position that is criminally under-compensated to start. It may extend to their federations and private businesses. This is a deep cancer that will not be solved by sacking a few individuals, but may require intervention of the highest level... Or we could, y'know, just boycott International Sabre - let it go to hell and be the sport of cheaters. Sad stuff. Thanks for your work.

[@leftysabreuse3257]

it's so sad. I met Tarantino in person. He treated me and others extremely well. But he wasn't paid enough where he was at the time. I don't condone what he has done on strip or as a coach.

[@CentralParkHusky]

Well said

[@morgankothny1569]

thank you for your work and exposure of this topic, fencing in general has barely any media popularity, and im happy to see people on the internet taking this sport and ruling seriously

[@sixrats]

Wake up honey - it's 2am, time to sit enraptured watching another mini documentary about a person you've never heard of before

[@pedrim5969]

Ima about to epee 😔

[@HarvestMoonHowl]

I'm not a fencer, but this video showed up randomly in my feed. It's very sad to see such a noble sport corrupted, in this way. And I don't even understand it unless bribes were involved.

[@patrickfrost9405]

A part of it is the lack of swordplay -- modern foil fencing has been dulled down by electric monitors and lighter equipment that, while making the sport safer, lowers the bar in terms of technique and skill.

[@cyruslupercal9493]

@@patrickfrost9405 I can see that. It's just basicly tap the other first instead of actually getting a proper strike in. It's basicly LARP fighting.

[@albertbresca8904]

there has always been corruption in the sport.. from actual money to referees not liking a nationality or personality conflict...

[@leongao5953]

As a HKer, I don’t really get the refereeing standard of his last game.

[@theslimgolfer]

No one did. It was, if not the most, disgraceful thing in fencing to have watched in recent times.

[@DonovanDeans]

There's nothing to 'get'. They cheated. HK made the mistake of playing fair in an unfair game. My condolences. Hey, at least you have the legend that is Cheung Ka-Long! :(

[@lirobert9430]

I thought fencing is not going to become corruptive due to the lack of money😂

[@Bleilock1]

Elite sport and the lack of money, what a paradox

[@albertbresca8904]

lack of legal funding yes... but plenty of bribes going on ... ...

[@alexritchie4586]

They think they can buy everything, but one cannot buy humility and good sportmanship.

[@albertbresca8904]

he will come against a good fencer with a non biased referee and be knocked out early... hopefuly he gets golden bagelled ( a score of 15 - 0 ... very embarrassing... for that level of competition... it shows you are fighting way out of your skill level to not even get a point..) .. something my old club used to laugh about years back... a loss 5 -0 is a bagel.. 15 - 0 a golden bagel.. we woudl use this to make fun of eachother [but of course not in a mean way.. it worked to try to egg you on... wierdly)

[@jakewarren4923]

I said this on the reddit thread where I originally saw the bout video but I've almost exclusively fenced epee my whole life and even I know that is point left.

[@tordfjermestad2538]

Completely unrelated and possibly highlighting my lack of knowledge with your videos, kudos on a much improved speaking voice and delivery, really improves the videos 🙏

[@bazzascott8935]

Remember when fencing used to be sword fighting? It would be an insult to even call it a shell of it's former self.

[@mishatsarevsky9656]

110% saber fencing use to be modern sword fighting but in the past 15 years it has gotten horrendous and I am a saber fencer.

[@franciscochiesa2809]

Hate from Uruguay

[@naitsabes6574]

He should be banned from international competitions forever....

[@albertbresca8904]

sadly.. he wont..as nothing can really be proved it seems... as wierd as that may be.. if (that is a BIG if) he qualifies he will have non biased referees and get knocked out early... as knowing he has easy referees early on does nothing for his skill level... he will depend on poor refereeing and not get to be a better fencer... if taht makes sense...

[@mlindquist8942]

could you go into more detail about what the bad calls were? I wanted to be emotionally invested but I have no idea how bad the refs calls were or what was happening 😅

[@johnnibaz6883]

I hope you don't forget to post a video like this when Saron and Nazlymov are selected for Paris right

[@user-microburst]

Reminds me of the statistically unlikely low number of penalties against and high for Barcelona FC during the Negreira times

[@user-mn3vt2sl1m]

Has it really come as a surprise

[@jeandubois1456]

Why don't they use video replay just to be sure ? It's affordable and cut all doubt .

[@leost152]

I was practicing my tennis short shot approach and footwork that resembles saber technique in front of my turned off TV. Then I turn on my PC and the KZbin algorithm offers me a saber video on top page even though I never watch this sport for more than a minute maybe every 4 years.

[@williamlee7782]

Epee fencing for the win!

[@albertbresca8904]

lmao!!!

[@p20040391]

Would it work if all of us complain to the Olympics committee about this?

[@Colognememer]

lets test it

[@bobbobson6290]

no, don't even try

[@beepboopbeepp]

Nah they are just as corrupt, remember that somalian sprinter on female team that got in through corruption? They do no checks apperantly

[@nk1645]

Not surprised at all

[@chiriematthieu]

Do fencing competition the old way: first blod loose. Refree with cam only to see who hit first in case of draw.

[@_sixtyfour]

great title lmao 🎉🎉🎉

[@user-sn4nm7go3r]

The sword is just as dangerous as him 😵

[@Gopherll]

As someone who has never fenced, this looks like jousting

[@drak_darippa]

hope the olympics will decide to disqualify him. it's making their organisation look like a joke

[@saranyoo4098]

It already is a joke. We shouldn't expect anything.

[@Danny_Kenpachi]

Funny ive fenced since the 90s in saber and epee and foil ive never heard of this person seems like a personal vendetta or something 😂

[@jorgeortega6806]

Reminds me of the scandal during the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics where everyone unanimously agreed Kim Yuna deserved gold medal for figure skating but it went to Sotnikova...A Russian, in the Russian Country, ran by Putin.

[@reid3202]

Is foil also like this? I feel like epee is the only truly fair blade.

[@TheFoilist]

There have been instances of cheating in foil, but to my knowledge nothing as entrenched (or at least as obvious) as what's happening in sabre right now.

[@Friendguystarcraft]

yeah generally foil has been less corrupt than Saber, but look at the final of the Asian olympic zonal for women's foil in the Tokyo cycle, the referee does everything in his power to try to get Berthier to lose in a manner that looks like cheating@@TheFoilist

[@albertbresca8904]

i have seen foil referees at state level cheating for a person from their club... it is horrible and frustrating... and that is with no money changing hands, just down to - the person is from my club...sigh.. i just tell my club people - the best way to handle this is to get one light as the referee cannot argue with one light ([preferably theirs of course!! hahaha) .. mind you much harder to do with sabre...

[@waltbarratt200]

He will fit in well with the Olympic spirit just look at the boxing or athletics drug takers

[@gremfencer]

Oil money and corruption ruins everything

[@khalidalyaqout9510]

Stfu if you don’t know anything

[@hlommersottana9236]

Punishment, his opponents use real swords

[@yehiak8711]

Realistically people should be mad the referee/refereeing commitee but this is social media what would I know lol

[@dannywhite132]

Never watched fencing in my life, but this made me seethe. It's like the boxing corruption all over again. The Olympics is becoming a joke. I hope they bring in tv officials for all events

[@ZedBeiFeng]

Pay to win.

[@user-yo9sm4zz1l]

Wow a dishonorable swordsman in the modern day, here I thought they had died out centuries ago

[@albertbresca8904]

sadly... plenty of them.. usually weeded out at the state level .. but some do go through to international...

[@vpaul4374]

All sports, when taken to the "professinal" levels are no more than a pay to win game between rich people

[@donaldbadowski290]

I remember back in the 90s, American sabre fencers were nowhere, but our referees were considered honest, incorruptible. Maybe because they didn't need the money, maybe because we take Good Sportsmanship seriously. Either way, if two coaches couldn't agree on a referee (because they each knew which way the favoritism would go), they would settle on an American.

[@hawkinatorgamer9725]

"The dice are loaded, and everythings fixed, eveeen a hobo could tell you this....Welcome to, hard times" Charlie Crockett.

[@michaelkeha]

Corruption is always a shame that being said I do think that fencing needs to take a step back and reevaluate it's current rules and equipment as the current path is it taking is frankly going to make things ever more difficult to judge cleanly never mind with corruption

[@joshualipe2259]

I thought it was suppose to be a sword duel not first to tap

[@cyruslupercal9493]

I remeber helping out on local Judo tournament, managing the clock. And some parent's would whisper in my ear to call the pinning holds (20sec) early. I can imagine what corruption goes on in these tournaments.

[@briankleinschmidt3664]

It is my neighbor who put barbed wire along our property line. That just seems hostile.

[@choosychoice9170]

What goes round comes back around .karma . lets see

[@user-xn8bb9xx9e]

now days fancing is a farce

[@Censor-Target]

No longer a gentlemans sport.

[@albertbresca8904]

it has changed... become a sport where it is more prestigious to win (at all costs... ) .. this is why people drift to classical fencing (HEMA) - but I do both and enjoy both...

[@852fencing]

Alshamlan...see u in 2024 Olympic!! Can't wait to see you BUY the SABRE CHAMPION IN PARIS SUCESSFULLYYYYYY!! #lovethisgames!!wakaka~

[@davidboudreault5931]

it was like this way before in the world championship cadet - junior in turkey in my match vs a Greek the referee give must of my points to the other sorry to say for the other but he was bad, but because of the referee he beat me... it did once more in a world cup in Cuba I was in demi final against a Cuban it was 8 to 1 for after the break, every time we did a simultane it was for the other guy so it was 14 to 14, the referee did is thing... Cuba wanted a Cuban in the final... the only way for me was to get one light so the referee can do shit about it and I did win but loss in final, I did Saber for Canada team, oh Vincent Anstett was the guy who beat me in my first world championship good memory

[@desty4030]

It's always kuwait athletes lmao

[@grubbs517]

"Just give me 15 calls." Sounds suspiciously like a certain ex-President.

[@johndoe5432]

Wow, a rich middle eastern guy from a petro state is able to buy judges? Next you're going to tell me the sky is blue.

[@zephyrna6249]

This is why I quit olympic style fencing. Too much cheating makes competing in the sport a waste of time. I remember one time my opponent, (who was fencing for the club in which the tournament was located, and all the referees were members of) received a point before either one of us even got close enough to touch the other.

[@albertbresca8904]

so you are doing HEMA then? i totally understand as i do both these days and have fun with each... MOF is more for the sport and getting the light on whereas HEMA is more for the style and if you make a nice hit your opponent congratulated you as they actually are happy to be hit with so nice a move (if that makes sense..lol)

[@manolios]

even in Olympics there is always that cheater. I mean, this thing has spread into many events of the Olympics, but depending on the court, another strategy is used. In my opinion "cheating" is also the idea that Nigerian athletes train on dirt carrying water buckets, while richer countries train on warm , closed courts.

[@Jake-qo8mz]

even got the spam bots in the comments section to corrupt, get em reported

[@huseyinfurkankardiyen2104]

Can not really blame the man for abusing the rules and referees if they are faulty. Footballers do it all the time, even the best ones will fall to ground deliberately for dozens of times in a match to get a faul. However in leagues like English Premier, referees are not joking around and players do actually need to play to win instead of dropping themselves to the ground every 5 minutes. So change the referees and rules and protect referees from outside pressure, sport will be fixed

[@TheBulge]

I wouldn't even say corruption is the worst part of fencing. The lack of fear of being stabbed is. It's such a boring match to watch, just 2 people charging at eachother. Fencing def isn't cinematic but cmon, that's cringe

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

He should be banned from the Olympics and World Championships.

[@rodrigotorres7784]

I dont want to be negative. But i think the olympics have lost a lot of intrest from the public.... I mean few events matter this days. And fencing is surley not one of them

[@mossbogger8366]

It becomes relevant to expose bad actors. Just look at Qatar Olympics, all we got out of that was confirmation that indeed Qatar and the uae are a backwards people living in a hell hole desert. Some times we need to be reminded

[@Trollioli]

I mean it's not new, its real bad in boxing.

[@Layla_r0se]

Buat Hal sendiri.. suka ke dop suka ke sama je..😊😊😊

[@aarsandijvie]

This whole sport is the farthest away from true swordsmanship.

[@Strill_]

If both hit each other at the same time, they should both lose.

[@TenebrusI07]

That's the problem with olympic fencing, first to make a point wins, even if it's by milliseconds. Often time you do both strike, it's determined by who did first. It's why in HEMA they use parrying daggers and have rules for double hits. Also alot of the historical methods try to strike without getting hit in return, because it makes no sense to charge recklessly in a fight.

[@dedoel]

wtf did I just watch

[@Belenor]

Hes gonna bribe Olympic referees then?

[@albertbresca8904]

he can try but likely even if he does those fencers are head and shoulders above this guy and will soon realise what is happening and get only one light (theirs) so there can be no indecision...

[@Mercedes-Man420]

Every sport gets ruined by money.

[@fg786]

I have learned nothing from this and didn't get waht's going on in any of the clips, because I don't know any rules. So this video is: If you say so.

[@rotmot5300]

Brother i’m from kuwait we don’t spend money on sports in general even the football stadiums are in disrepair (football is the most popular sport here ) so i doubt we would bribe anyone

[@nisibonum7634]

Gulf state countries live by bribing. Qatar and the UAE are particularly bad but they all do it for any number of reasons.

[@ExecutionerKen]

Love seeing all these "user-xxxx" review bomb getting paid by a cheater lol

[@iwatchwithnoads7480]

No u

[@Brad-pc3bi]

This seems like a goober sport. Mock combat with fencing blades? Lmao!!

[@thibs2837]

As despicable as his trainer

[@calfencer]

What does his country get from the wins? His face on a Wheaties box? 😕🤷🏻‍♂️. Fencing doesn't get fans basketball, soccer or tennis. Without the fans less sponsors at the venues. 😒

[@glennwatson3313]

Prestige

[@uriels4097]

but a olympic medal does

[@ISimulacraaa]

What does any country get from acquiring gold medals? Why even have an Olympics? It's an asinine question. When u come from a country that doesn't earn a lot of medals , the sport of any gold Olympian might as well be basketball or football. I mean how many American suddenly cared about swimming when Phelps started racking up gold medals ?

[@b1646717]

So he's a cheat, not a fencer

[@user-db2lp5nd4z]

MOST TALENTED fencer of ALL TIME

[@owdeezstrauz]

Luckily no one cares about fencing

[@dickens123]

THEY NEED VAR

[@TranNguyen-mg9qq]

Who play this sport ?! Who watch this sport ?!

[@wolfen8622]

Dude comes from oil-money. Oil-money people are… well… me no likey

[@StubenhockerElite]

Ngl sport fencing is just flawed.

[@user-nr4ys7ho4o]

see you in paris 😂🎉

[@abrahamschaal5875]

I can smell that oil money from a mile away

[@tiananman]

do these people not have any personal pride? who wants to win a rigged game? that's boring and shameful.

[@MEHMEISTER]

Arabs doin arab stuff as usual

[@mkoschier]

Give him a Jew in Paris in the first round

[@cadabanban5382]

A kuwaiti cheating and buying his way to make himself a champ. No shit bru, how do you think they qualify in the first place. Like qatar None of them are good, not a single one.

[@bekaraarapan496]

spanish shame

[@johncaughey7583]

Sportsmanship is dead. Being the best is how much money you and everyone who bets can make. Its sad

[@admiralforged1613]

And they thought russian were cheating... There has to be a legal way to sue that dog and his coaches

[@kurhooni5924]

this psort is totaly ireevelant anyway, nobodty care about it

[@hatednyc]

Same crap, different toilet.

[@jimihayes150]

Rich arab boy got his father to bribe referees

[@BIGGLEdarrigle]

Alshamlan is a wasteman

[@yousefyousef-tz1by]

اقعد عليه

[@aleksanderg5055]

nobody cares about fencing

[@lordofleaves]

All fixed, typical Oil-Sheik-stuff