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00:00 - Intro
00:22 - KZbin Legal Team's 2nd letter
01:39 - FUTO's response to KZbin Legal Team's 2nd letter
02:40 - FUTO's response to KZbin Legal Team's 1st letter
03:59 - The problems we're trying to solve
04:08 - Problem #1 - random bans
05:46 - Problem #2 - broken comment system
06:26 - Problem #3 - worse treatment when paying
09:39 - Problem #4 - "storing customer data"
10:10 - The difference between this & others
10:25 - This is NOT 4 kids in a college dorm room
10:42 - My promise

[@JaredFarnum]

I’m going to miss this channel.

[@rossmanngroup]

It's been a fun 12 years! In that time, we've: a) Got right to repair passed for farmers b) woke up people to the idea that companies are trying to make everything unfixable & take away rights of ownership c) taught a few hundred thousand people how to do component-level repairs at their businesses to increase their economic viability & save customers money d) demonstrated to customers they were possible, got a open-source wheelchair non-profit funded two hundred thousand dollars e) Got a wheelchair right to repair bill passed in Colorado so people don't have to wait three to six months to be able to move again. _None of this could have been accomplished without all of you._ You will always have my gratitude and thanks. *I had a good run!!* When I'm 80 years old, I will look back on my time spent here with a smile. *NO REGRETS!* All I ask, is that when this channel is deleted, you carry on the torch for repairability, ownership, and freedom in your own lives & social circles, and keep it about the issues without mentioning me.

[@DyslexicMitochondria]

@@rossmanngroup thank you for everything. KZbin is a raging monopoly. Recently I decided to remove monetization from my channeI because i want people to watch my stuff for free, and now yt is sending me emails threatening to remove me from the partner program, and that I can't put "no ads" in my title. Such a petty organization

[@tomhappening]

uh

[@Bellicosy]

@@rossmanngroup We, the thankless and incorrigible, don't deserve you.

[@571grover]

​@rossmanngroup you arent leaving right? I do admire your work a lot.

[@enemixius]

KZbin: "We strive to keep KZbin a safe and responsible community" Also KZbin: *allows literal scams to advertise on the platform*

[@Rexhunterj]

Then in their next breath to parliaments or senates they say "With a platform as volumous as ours we simply cannot afford the man hours required to manually review all appeals, advertising applicants and acts of TOS violation so we will continue to employ machine algorithms and bare minimum human interaction to run our business as the expense of other human beings livelihoods."

[@glanyan5462]

100% true. Plus fake celeb endorsements... Julia Roberts in an erectile disjunction ad, for example.

[@MemoryMori]

Dont forget pdf.files and Naked Yoga videos -.-"""

[@knifekitty_ls]

and thats how you know youtube acts like bunch of liars and you should treat them as such

[@salpertia]

What are you talking about bro you don't want to get your Russian mail order bride?

[@Jakobsh2]

As Gaben said: “Piracy is a service issue” When the service is worse than a pirated version, piracy is inevitable.

[@williamspirralafton3143]

I agree with gaben

[@GardenofEdens]

Hail all to geben

[@williamspirralafton3143]

@@GardenofEdens hail gaben

[@ducky1681]

I hope Valve never goes public.

[@legendarygodzilla3577]

Gabe Newell was correct.

[@RicoGalassi]

This is what happens with monopolies. The company grows so large that their support is trash, they go after literally anyone interfering with their product at any capacity, they no longer have stable channels and the whole service becomes a web of garbage. Thank you for teaching us so much Louis!

[@playablue]

Just like the us goverment father gaining control of america Or what was done to africa after imperialism of the wet ran thru it

[@wile123456]

It's just capitalism and neo-fuedalism in play. KZbin could have hundreds of competitors and the same problems would still happen, because we are tied to the digital land, we can't migrate our accounts and content across platforms. Competition fixes nothing, just like no liberal philosopher back in the day advocated for capitalism without regulations and rules.

[@bronyinsticks]

One comment,there is no such thing as free markets because they directly lead to the richest person buying out the rest

[@UntamedAustin]

Then they incorporate under a new name and continue on.

[@HaggardPillockHD]

​@@bronyinsticks I'd tweak that to say that any market without sufficient regulation, will tend towards a monopoly

[@VintageTVMemories]

As someone who has had his measly 5,000-subscriber channel taken down for no reason with no means of reaching out to anyone or contesting, I support you wholeheartedly. Thank you for being so amazing.

[@yosefmacgruber1920]

That is hugely why a lot of people have moved over to Rumble.

[@Unmethicated]

It’s stupid. They send you a link to said video that doesn’t work because they took it down and don’t actually tell us the exact reason it was taken down…. Stupid

[@VintageTVMemories]

@@yosefmacgruber1920 Isn't Rumble the right-wing conspiracy theory platform? No matter how much I hate KZbin and their BS practices, I would never support a right-wing platform.

[@VintageTVMemories]

@@Unmethicated I had zero strikes. I had no warnings. One day I just tried to log in and my channel was gone. I got an e-mail and it said nothing at all about what I had infringed. I tried to contest only to get automated e-mails saying they're upholding their decision.

[@yosefmacgruber1920]

@@Unmethicated YT seems to be giving away their market-share to other similar websites that are not so manipulated or censored. But the religious fanatics who fear the truth, don't appear to care about the mess that they make. I spend more time on Rumble now, as YT is nearly worthless when it comes to things political. Why/How would they state the reason? There is no valid reason.

[@jhoncho4x4]

100k subs silver button, 1 million subs gold button, 2 million subs threatening letter.

[@MrERLoner]

It seems.youve gotten too.big for our britches

[@kesamek8537]

5 million subs you get a visit from men in suits with an offer you are unable to refuse because that option is not available to you.

[@SEEYAIAYE]

Correction 1 million subs you get a piece of balsa wood spray painted with gold, they gave up on giving out those pure Gold play buttons out probably after the 1000th time.

[@auturgicflosculator2183]

@@SEEYAIAYE It's never been pure; it's an alloy containing at most about 20% gold...and that layer is thinner than spider silk, with brass underneath. The gold might be worth a couple of cents if you melted it down. Might.

[@kyleshockley1573]

Now _that's_ incentive, the Soviet way!

[@panhandlep]

Can you imagine if KZbin had this same legal dedication towards stopping their scam ads?

[@kesamek8537]

KZbin is the biggest scam on KZbin.

[@beetheimmortal]

Don't forget, they also allow literal porn ads as well as actual porn (but called "naked yoga"). Hypocrites, all of them.

[@coweatsman]

Like the Establishment Tittles "You can be a lord" scam".

[@ryanhamstra49]

Or porn bots. Or all the “accidental” demonetizations that are always on one side of the isle? Or the fake copyright strikes?

[@zacky7572]

There had to be serious PR backlash for them to do anything about SSSniperWolf…

[@LakeGreen]

"I've gotten four Laws passed in three states, over two years--with one million dollars." -L. Hossmann ...as a words person, I think this is gold! Love ya, man. Keep up the good fight!!

[@doctorhfuhruhurr4380]

There are millions of laws, it means nothing.

[@MrObsidus]

​@@doctorhfuhruhurr4380 It means more than your inane comment, tho.

[@Bluey2600]

@@doctorhfuhruhurr4380sure it does! there’s not as many laws as there are people, so louis’s ratio is exceptional

[@kak42]

@@Bluey2600 Laws are just will of people in power made into a rule It _does_ "mean nothing" in some sense

[@ProleDaddy]

Would you look at that? Only large sums of money makes law. That's not democratic at all. That means employers and the rich (capitalists) make law Guess who that tends to represent?

[@Shadenir]

Beautiful response. Screw YT.

[@lindanorris2455]

RIGHT ON!

[@Just-some-other-guy]

"If you cut out a mans tongue, you're not proving him a liar, you're proving that you're afraid of what he has to say"

[@jajafeedyns8082]

"You're a liar!" _Suppresses_ _the_ _liar_ Those actions alone will make many doubt if one is actually lying.

[@Acetyl53]

It's not that simple. This isn't medieval times anymore, information delivery and warfare has evolved.

[@SSEi02]

@@Acetyl53it’s exactly that simple

[@Acetyl53]

@@SSEi02 It isn't. I regularly see people fall into cognitive sinks in the "alt media" which are simply controlled opposition pushing truth mixed with lies, and they never find their way out. Nor do they desire to. They found their new cult of personality, their new identity.

[@Acetyl53]

@@SSEi02 It deleted my reply.

[@Nereosis16]

You nailed it perfectly on why I have refused to pay for KZbin. I love the content on KZbin but youtube have absolutely no respect for those who use their platform. You are paying for content that has to be made in accordance with their ridiculous ad friendly standards. So, what am I paying for? Worse content? Absolutely not.

[@PomuLeafEveryday]

I support you, and I don't think anybody should pay. But at the same time, if everybody started paying and they were able to scrap ads, wouldn't the service be better? On the other hand, I suppose free content is a valuable resource and ads are the only way to support that. How should KZbin as a business actually be run?

[@mercier300]

u dont pay because u dont have any money, stop acting like u got all these good values

[@Nereosis16]

@@mercier300 What a brilliant argument. Nobody can have values unless they have disposable income. Have you considered that maybe you're a terrible person?

[@Nereosis16]

@@PomuLeafEveryday If everyone started paying they would scrap ads for a short period of time then they would push for more revenue and ads would be back. Corporations need to make more money. Infinitely. They can't be happy with a lot they need more.

[@tradingnichols2255]

@@Nereosis16 Yes, I think so, which is why as KZbin premium payer, whatever they call it now... I've had a similar moment. I use sub channels. I find KZbin isn't smart enough to understand my various interests, so with this sub channel I watch tech, trading news, etc., etc., on another I produce more content for example. I switched between these on an airplane and suddenly, unless I connected to the internet, not possible on this flight, they apologized, I was not going to be able to watch anything I downloaded. My heart dropped like you wouldn't believe. This is literally how I deal with flying. I watched an inflight movie... enjoyed myself reasonably, but got none of the research I'm usually doing done so I wasted my time and it relatively felt horrible. Most of my experiences are fine, but this SUUUUCKED.

[@mkurt90]

Please Louis, never stop, you're one of my personal heroes

[@All_I_can_say_is_Wow]

The only honest thing youtube ever told me was that if I kept telling the truth, they wouldn't let me talk anymore.

[@vercingetorix3839]

Next thing you know, they'll take my thoughts away

[@bluedistortions]

We are a sexually dimorphic species, determined by biology. Multiculturalism destroys countries. Despite doing trillions in damages through it's heavy handed restrictions, every single person on the planet was exposed to C®VID anyway, so they accomplished nothing through the global shutdown. Electric vehicles are far worse for the environment than simple, economical cars that last for decades, like they were in the 80s. The entire concept of carbon production and climate change is flawed. On and on. Every area of life. Telling the truth is a hate crime that gets you banned.

[@SoundsFromBeyond]

@@vercingetorix3839 I know what I said, and now I must scream, of the o-ver-dose, and the lack of mercy killings

[@daddyattitude]

Same here

[@Acetyl53]

@@vercingetorix3839 They can't actually do that because your real basis is outside of the universe / simulation. They have to tamper with your memory and emotional states in an indirect roundabout way, through the physical body.

[@Rohv]

I'm a lawyer. My advice also is if you receive a demand letter with a period to comply. Don't feel pressured to follow that timeline. That period is just a number that a lawyer pulled up his ass and has no legal basis or effect if not followed.

[@onojioboardwalk9748]

What 'Program' is this guy talking about that google wants him to stop offering?

[@ryoukaip]

an app made by his team, help you to watch KZbin with no ads, and more features ​@@onojioboardwalk9748

[@tacticalmosquito6480]

@@onojioboardwalk9748 grayjay. look it up.

[@corinthiansdaniels3728]

​@@onojioboardwalk9748 greyjay

[@RicardoTorres-vo3bq]

​@@onojioboardwalk9748 its grayjay, an app that allows you to follow creators in all of their plataforms at once

[@etienne2315]

When youtube says keep youtube safe and responsible it means shielding itself rather than the users or creators.

[@lawrencecavens5760]

KEEP Being the Best you are Louis - We all Love you for what you do!

[@benjoe999]

I want the dislike button back. I don't want to live in a world where everyone can only like things or shut up.

[@alexwelch7198]

The irony is that you're going to get a lot of likes for this comment about dislikes😂

[@esousa486]

Google DOES ALLOW others to "think" .... Only there Gen Z BOTS /A.I. is "allowed" ..................................

[@SqurtieMan]

I disliked this comment in solidarity, even though youtube would never tell you that

[@Acetyl53]

When I dislike comments the counter doesn't change.

[@OriginalContent89]

​@@Acetyl53That's because the dislike button doesn't do anything besides making you feel like you did something

[@AngryJT]

KZbin is a bunch of [censored by KZbin].

[@Good_Horsey]

I love when they delete comments that so much as mention that other platform that rhymes with mumble.

[@birdjericho]

I don't know what's worse, writing a comment just for [this section of the comment has been banned by the KZbin Legal Department because of reasons], or to see your comment get repl [this section of the comment has been brought to you by Google. Enjoy Google today!] fterwards get kicked by a mule. I mean, right? 😛

[@Tukahuba25]

Gotti

[@Tukahuba25]

Got germs and shit on my boots.

[@DeeSnow97]

just go full rtgame and youtube those youtube youtubes

[@wootle]

"The more you give of yourself the s__tier you will be treated". 100% accurate, very glad I found your channel and respect to standing up to these behemoth companies. Subbed!

[@rixxir]

As a programmer and a fellow nerd - I respect you. It takes a great effort and courage to stand against titans. Good luck Louis!

[@privacyvalued4134]

Software developers hold the real power in the world. I've maintained for several years that Daylight Savings Time (DST) is one of the worst ideas anyone has ever come up with. DST can be eliminated by waiting for time to normalize, wait a month, and then quietly _delete_ DST handling code from all major OSes and libraries. When people go to change the time on their clocks, they'll discover that DST has been permanently deleted. Poof. No more DST. Changing times on clocks twice a year causes innumerable software failures...twice a year. DST is a plague on humanity but software developers can correct this problem.

[@blackrifle6736]

Louis, keep kicking their asses at every opportunity. You have a righteous fire in your belly and my eternal respect. Cheers!

you: "keep kicking their asses" *proceeds to leave a tip, leaving part of it for them* (see description for donation options)

[@rossmanngroup]

THANK YOU!

[@HaggisMuncher-69-420]

Nice of you to donate 10 bucks to KZbin.

[@mouhamadyoussouf9320]

Why typing in full CAPITAL letters again????​@@rossmanngroup

[@xp8969]

😂​​​@@mouhamadyoussouf9320 same reason you used FOUR question marks: emphasis

[@margyrowland]

Thank you for making the Google communications public Mr Rossmann. We can see what they’re up to.

[@RT-qd8yl]

Never forget, they made a conscious decision to get rid of the motto "Don't be evil".

[@aj.j5833]

@@RT-qd8yl Only evil have motto of "Don't be evil". The good doesn't have to tell themselves not to be evil and pretend not to be evil.

[@baxter1252]

​@RT-qd8yl They just realized they weren't fooling anyone who was paying attention, and people who weren't didn't know what their motto was, so having the motto was pointless.

[@CD-vb9fi]

@@aj.j5833 there are not "good guys" just multiple groups of scumbags whining about the other scumbags trying to call themselves good. If you think you are good... then you are definitely evil.

[@GolemRising]

@@aj.j5833 For as long as the people who put the motto up were still at the company, they largely followed the motto. No huge corp is good but I would not have classified anything google did in those early days as "evil" Once those people were gone, however, things turned south quickly. And they also took down the motto. Another way of thinking of it might be: With the motto, they were aspiring to be better. Without the motto, they stopped bothering to try.

[@lukevincent4141]

You are bang on on so many points. There is massive corporate authoritarian abuse happening at the moment and not enough people are standing up for consumers. I hope legislators get in touch and get your expert advice to pass legislation that returns our basic rights to us.

[@markdsm-5157]

Won't happen, google's DEI and social policies gives them firm support from the left. As long as Google labels any criticism against these protected groups as hate speech they'll be allowed to do whatever they want.

[@jakke1975]

I can't add much to what's been said already ... I don't know you, you don't know me, but I love you man! Much respect!

[@clementpruvost8670]

Nah I can't believe they sent you their legal teams. I swear their TOS applies at random intervals and 0% of the time for ads.

[@Diddz]

If we collectively can somehow manipulate the political climate to put youtube ads as a national security threaf, watch how fast youtube finally gets regulated and changed when it appears to threaten political agendas

[@ambiarock590]

They enforce it when it benefits them, not when it doesn't. Shocker

[@JustAGooseman]

@@ambiarock590 Legally speaking, that actually makes their entire Terms of Service moot. Its the same logic as Copyright only with a ToS/EULA, it is not actually legally binding.

[@avereth]

"Our ToS applies to this thing not even part of the KZbin environment."

[@yoyogre]

​@@JustAGooseman Technically, ToS/EULA are legally binding, as long as you actually press that "agree" button, as it all falls under contract law. But all the terms may or may not be enforceable. There's thing you just can't legally put in a contract, and the restrictions can vary greatly from one country to another. As I understand it, US laws tends to allow a lot of bullshit.

[@RoseKindred]

How nice of them to provide some free toilet paper, and content.

[@fckgooogle1000x]

Some nice kindling to keep my home warm

[@alexwelch7198]

Would you look at that there's another deleted comment...... I wonder what the other person said😂

[@billyhatcher643]

youtube being stupid like always

[@bz4g]

🤣😆🤣

[@Tukahuba25]

​@@billyhatcher643 then they wonder why they get bodied by tiktok and such other companies nowadays. They would probably call Einstein a trator by their standards oh wait 🫸 yearning for it.

[@Dashcam-FPV]

I am paying for your application and using it extensively. I find it very useful, Louis, so you better not take it down, and keep fighting the good fight!

[@issamoshi]

GO for it Louis. You feel us very much and We thank you very much for it

[@yvnerservius1913]

I hate how controlling the world is

[@DyslexicMitochondria]

That's what happens when we allow a monopoly without any regulatory intervention

[@trumpputinkim]

@@DyslexicMitochondria oh hi i love your content. Nice to see you here

[@Listenimtooshyalright]

@@DyslexicMitochondria what do you suggest we do

[@flying_Night_slasher]

​@@ListenimtooshyalrightDon't ask me for any help, all of my idea's are illegal

[@s.c342]

@@DyslexicMitochondriaif only you knew that the government is a monopoly of force/violence.

[@eriktherandomstuff3368]

Thank you for fighting for what's right when no one else will.

[@k_e_K_e___]

google is so evil

[@John17TheOGmp4]

I also want to be part of it no matter what...

[@eriktherandomstuff3368]

@@yoshisaidit7250 it's not about the amount of money. It's a gesture.

[@theorphanobliterator]

you can donate to him and his organization via grayjay ​@@yoshisaidit7250

[@theorphanobliterator]

​@@eriktherandomstuff3368"it isn't about the money, it's about sending a message"

[@phaedrus5904]

Although your solution doesn't address any problem that I have, I am fully in support of your approach, your principles, and your methods. ... and by the way love your cat.

[@rambodumbo]

I actually got chills in the end. For real. Cheers for your hard work!

[@p5eudo883]

When legal teams send out abusive letters that are clearly just an attempt at legal bullying and not well-founded arguments with merit, they should be liable for paying large fines to the targets of their legal bullying.

[@jessiesewell4076]

They should have lead delivered 🤷

[@davidgoodnow269]

If there was a specific legal issue, I think the letter would be specific about it. From _this_ letter, I gather the specific issue is something _the data that may be gathered with KZbin API_ *is* the specific concern, and *they are afraid* to be _specific_ about the nature of the data, _perhaps_ because it would be damaging to reputation or market?

[@PoniesNSunshine]

​@@davidgoodnow269nah, the API issue is because Facebook used to share their API and various bots harvested all the data, remember when Zuckerberg got dragged into Congress?

[@noahw4623]

It could potentially be considered fraud, which would make it a felony in many jurisdictions, but good luck enforcing

[@JD-xz1mx]

Its America. You can't fine people for speech.......obviously.

[@MikeDoesRandomThings]

So they ignored the initial response, so they could act like you didn't respond? That sounds like KZbin.

[@doltBmB]

sounds like any tyrannical bureaucracy

[@Tall_Order]

Wait until they try to sue him and he presents to the judge that he never used their API. KZbin will get laughed out of court.

[@s01itarygaming]

Definitely a *KZbin Moment*

[@Acrimonious-Dragon]

@@Tall_Order Google would Try to drag out the case over a long period of time to try to make it a battle of wallets not facts. Unless the lawyers involved had the smarts to tell the judge to put a hard cap on it / make google pay the bill if they want to keep it up. tldr: abuse of process

[@GrumpyIan]

​@@Tall_Ordernot necessarily remember Google is a multi billion dollar company. They'll drag him through the courts and rack up his attorney fees.

[@Xfacter]

This is the first time hearing about your project and I am very glad someone is doing that! Thank you!

[@Nuggery]

Thank you for being a voice of reason. Many of us can’t articulate issues and concerns as well as you. From my perspective, you’re a power of GOOD. Thank you for caring and your ability to explain these concepts.

[@Kuddley_Peach]

What an absolute UNIT. called them out on their own platform. this needs to get to #trending

[@stevenwilson5556]

amen

[@chrisrus1965]

He has never shown any interest in Zionism, has he?

[@nathanielalderson9111]

​@@chrisrus1965 Zionism is a good thing. Time to change your mind.

[@wax_axiom479]

This channel has already been shadow banned for years now...

[@sumduma55]

​@@chrisrus1965you would be foolish if you let that matter. It's kind of like biting your nose off just to spite your face.

[@hans2five]

Aaaaaaand I just downloaded Gray Jay. 15 minutes in and I'm instantly reminded of about 20 channels that KZbin no longer wants me to see. Cheers Rossmann.

[@TheBandit7613]

What id GreyJay?

[@hans2five]

@@TheBandit7613 the application that Luis Rossmann talks about in this video. Check it out. Basically it combines rumble, KZbin, etc etc etc video streaming apps into one so that you can follow your favorite content creators without having to switch between platforms.

[@NickiRusin]

​​@@TheBandit7613 the app Louis Rossman is developing, a better KZbin & other content site client

[@nightknight6947]

me too. hopefully, youtube is about to Streisand effect tf outta this ap.

[@mattmorrissr3571]

Is the app on Apple?

[@spitzer1113]

Thank you for standing up for what is right!

[@miketaylor6282]

AMEN ON EVERYTHING YOU SAID!!!

[@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763]

The only way to be safe is to assume ALL YT ads to be scams.

[@jessiesewell4076]

They are! Ads launder the money that's made in the drug trade and human trafficking

[@clray123]

Not just YT ads, mind you.

[@tehbonehead]

@@jessiesewell4076 don't forget about data collection by espionage agencies and political kickbacks...

[@sihamhamda47]

As FBI starting to recommend everyone to use adblocker, we already know that the scam ads situation is getting much worse now

[@steveanimatrix3887]

What ads? uBlock Origin doesn't allow me to see them for years now.

[@Pipiundkakiinpipikakaland42]

Once I got an advertisement which was literally a 30-minute video from some belrussian general saying that my nation should be wiped out like cockroaches. Like… how are they THIS incompetent?!

[@vorcanvorcan9032]

Human beings... 🤦

[@Yotrymp]

It's not incompetence

[@Shadow_Banned_Conservative]

@@Yotrymp BINGO!

[@macicoinc9363]

Lmao, that’s hilarious

[@trash_girlfriend]

To be fair that's on Google Ads not KZbin

[@ToyKeeper]

+1 to all of that. Just one small detail... the app isn't Open Source, it's source-available. It's very different, legally.

[@christianabad9982]

I'm glad that this video popped up on my recommendations. I haven't subscribed nor discovered this channel until now. And I'm also glad that you were able to address the issues of KZbin, particularly their unfair and biased policy. Because of that, I will subscribe to this channel before anything happens.

[@jer1776]

I cant even remember the last time Google/KZbin did something that wasnt scummy.

[@0LoneTech]

I think opening the VP8/VP9/VP10 codecs (from On2) publically and as basis for AV1 may count. As for the youtube platform itself, they certainly seem enthusiastic about drawing ire.

[@SixTough]

Google recently removed website caching

[@GardenofEdens]

William osman got an award for an video like 3 or 5 years too late. It's really slow going there.....

[@d-chudasama]

Alot of the abverts on their site are scams

[@kellysouter4381]

The previous CEO wasn't as bad as this one. I think this one's a WEF personnel.

[@wadz668]

KZbin probably knows they've got nothing on Futo and are hoping you'll stop if they ask threateningly.

[@kaibe5241]

Yeah, they've totally picked the wrong horse in this race.

[@abrahamnarvaez1730]

@@kaibe5241 have they ever picked the right horse in these situations

[@MichaelTilton]

Reminds me of that one scene in Demolition Man, where the cops are trying to arrest Wesley Snipes character "with a stern voice"

[@heathbruce9928]

Unfortunately they have enough money to drag people thru the courts and run them dry of funds. Though scotus has been smacking the hands of big corps who do that.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

The letter used "please" a lot and not "You are ordered to..." Also, the letter was not a summons or subpoena. You are right that this is subtle threats, kind of like, "Nice shop you got here. Be a shame if something happened to it."

[@afvet5075]

Utube suspended me also a few times for stating the obvious. They also told me that I needed to stand in the corner and that I was grounded for a day. They also told me that I had to go to my room and no dinner tonight.

[@MassMediaArtistry]

Really feel your frustration and agree thank you for your content

[@maxon1672]

You’re a legend, Louis, even Alphabet can’t bring you down. We Texans are proud to have you in Texas; feel free to tell youtube to “COME AND TAKE IT!”

[@rossmanngroup]

Thank you!!!

[@clray123]

Don't worry, if threats don't work, they will just bribe the fuck out of him. Maybe that's what he is secretly hoping for.

[@BoredPodcaster]

Google's just mad you solved a problem they created, rather than pay them to continue ignoring said problem. Their complaint is purely about money, and in a clear case of corporate narcissism, they think they can push you around using a TOS that doesn't apply to your app. Give them hell.

[@JimboJuice]

KZbin is a giant vault of money hemorrhaging into a bottomless pit. they don't care about money, they care about the power youtube gives them.

[@xchronox0]

"But but keeping our community safe :)" I have no idea how that phrase even applies whatsoever. If anything, FUTO is the one keeping the community safe. Safe from KZbin.

[@steamerSama]

TBH as a business KZbin can decide how it's content can be distributed because, they are doing the heavy lifting of storing trillions of hours of video, streaming all their content pretty seamlessly, with multiple data centers across the world. Grayjay is hitchhiking on KZbin amongst other platforms.

[@liberality]

​@@steamerSama KZbin is paying zero to the content creators. Any pennies paid out come from advertisers. So it is actually KZbin's platform monopoly which is profiting from creators, most of whom earn little to nothing from their labour.

[@MrBademy]

we need people like you to challange the narrative, experienced peoiple that knows the ins and outs of the tech, i feel proud to know you are there as a vitral part for humanity!

[@fakecubed]

Your videos occasionally get recommended to me and I generally have enjoyed them. This is the one that got me to actually subscribe. I never heard about this app but you've definitely got me interested and I'll check it out.

[@Blackhomeking12]

Let me guess KZbin is doubling down

[@carlostrudo]

I didn’t even start watching and I’m sure of this.

[@Blackhomeking12]

@@carlostrudoI ain’t even have to watch 30 seconds to know KZbin is mad but doesn’t know how to fight it so they have to threaten legal action and hope they will stop

[@user-sm9ho3kv3f]

Yes, they have doubled the IQ in the room that responds to these letters and it's now fast approaching 100.

[@pablostufff]

Lol isn't that what KZbin's done for several years now?

[@tevindublin7620]

You mean -100 ​@@user-sm9ho3kv3f

[@dinosaursnack]

I have nothing but respect for a man who draws a line in the sand and says, "No. I will no longer abide this madness"

[@Adventist9917]

That's the same way I feel about property tax. Even though we're basically renting our own land, the government will take it if we don't pay them. 😞

[@Qrtuop]

Property tax is fair if the wealth is redistributed to those who have less. Problem is, it doesn't.

[@FizzOfInsanity]

I love that app so much. Thanks Louis & KZbin for telling me about it!

[@Gn8Lif3]

100%right sir and thx for picking that fight for all of us

[@ariabritton9669]

my favorite thing about youtube is where they "mute" me for posting "hateful comments" and then proceed not to show me what comment I had made that was hateful so i can dispute it.

[@jacqdanieles]

Some of my posts simply vanish 3 seconds after I post

[@theripper121]

@@jacqdanieles Like a quarter to half my posts lately seem to just disappear. Even after posting not seeing it then rewording the entire post will happen again back to back.

[@happilyevernever4289]

I can't even see my comment right after I post it half the time.😂😂

[@worldhello1234]

Yes, "great" experience, right? You potentially violating ToS but they won't tell you which or let you dispute the decision.

[@mallninja9805]

This is what we get for allowing corporations to usurp the public square. The EULA boils down "Be grateful that I'll allow you to say what I like and what I profit from. I owe you nothing."

[@SeaScoutDan]

Wish KZbin would say which terms of service are being broken, and provide an example. The KZbin letter does not have actionable details. It is like receiving a ticket from a traffic cop that says "Drive Better".

[@kimmieb2u]

Exactly!!!!

[@bergmanoswell879]

They claim that by giving out details on exactly what is or is not allowed, it would allow people to "game" the system. The idea is fundamentally absurd - it presumes that the natural state of EVERYONE is to be in violation, and NOT committing violations is somehow dishonest or shady behavior, that strips the policy enforcer of rightful authority to act.

[@ShaggyRogers1]

@@bergmanoswell879 The problem there is that such actions are a blatant attempt to game the system. How are you supposed to launch a proper legal argument when the opponent won't even tell you what their position actually is?

[@madarah8533]

KZbin has operated like this almost since the beginning. Vague rules with selective enforcement and never comment on anything

[@inthefade]

It is a method used by authoritarians to keep you walking on eggshells and paranoid. It is to create a chilling effect and suppress dissent.

[@MelodyOo]

Thank you for your service.. I have used your videos so many times to raise awareness about companies trying to control us.. in so many scenario... I will forever be using your videos as a reference and evidence of how anticonsumer the companies can be..

[@klauskervin2586]

Louis I don't always agree with your politics but you are the #1 champion on right to repair and fighting against content algorithms. I wish you great and continued success.

[@meeponinthbit3466]

Blackberry shows up, now you know KZbin is about to be told to fuck themselves.

[@khatdubell]

I noticed the cat was sitting on the rimm of the chair.

[@elone3997]

Haha! Yeah, Blackberry wanders in as if to say "Don't worry, I've got this bro' 😀

[@jameslynch8738]

At 7:32, is a gut punch "the shittier you will be treated". 😤

[@AgentLokVokun]

"The more you give of your self the more sh!tty you will be treated" *And it cuts to an Amazon ad break* 😆

[@EragonTheDragonRider]

uBlock Origin / KZbin Vanced my guy

[@AgentLokVokun]

@@rev.jimmywonko9615, @MiniDevilDF, @Luthiart, I will gladly suffer with some ads so Louis gets paid his 1/10th of a cent.

[@dankyjoker]

Why are you seeing ads? What are youtube ads? i Hear alot about those, but adblocker has been around for a while, right? Please install adblock, please. your time you spend in this heckhole will be so much better for you. Please, human, please.

[@AgentLokVokun]

@@dankyjoker I thought for awhile UBO was able to whitelist specific KZbin channels -- I would like that feature very much? But honestly the moments it takes me to report fake ads/scams isn't that much of a hassle when I watch the same stupid ad for the 10th time. Plus if an ad pops up and I suddenly don't care about the content because of my microplastics riddled brain./ I close the tab. EZPZ

[@Die_Legende_von_DoDo]

Thank you for your work!

[@brandongoeckner6602]

When you said in my personal life***, that hit hard. Loyalty and respect isn’t in our culture anymore.

[@HKlink]

Funny how companies continue to not understand the Streisand effect. Without their letter I would not have learned of this nice tool you made!

[@Window4503]

Same! Definitely gonna check it out

[@michaelblacktree]

Same here. Now I want to check it out.

[@futuza]

Same, I'm very glad KZbin brought this great tool to my attention.

[@dankyjoker]

Wonder if it's a socioeconomic issue.

[@AarPlays]

Same

[@youtubeshadowbannedmylasta2629]

isn't that funny that youtube thinks they can control things not under their terms of service. reminds me of another evil that shan't be named here.

[@jakehero95]

Lemme guess, it starts with A and rhymes with grapple.

[@EzeePosseTV]

Voldemort? lol

[@user-io4sr7vg1v]

Goberment?

[@alexj-t2331]

@@jakehero95as an artist there’s another company that starts with an A that comes to mind too

[@abadenoughdude300]

@@alexj-t2331 A company that DO BE like that, I take it.

[@rjung_ch]

Spot on analysis, felt this coming on for a while myself. Too much is going the wrong way...

[@TheRjjrjjr]

Mr. Rossmann, you are my hero!!! You've come a long way baby, keep going! I percieve you are making a difference in the online world!

[@mr.grotto9498]

Saying the algorithm has a personality disorder was giving KZbin face. The fact that they had those 🎷 Bots for two years and a simple third party application could remove them, but their own algorithms couldnt, its a testimony of their commitment to the platform's community.

[@SuperAgentAB]

The community takes matters into its own hands as always.

[@Operational117]

@@SuperAgentAB And then KZbin either permaban or shadowban these people with the potential of threatening legal repercussions because KZbin's executives and managers think they're always in the right.

[@perochialjoe]

KZbin incorrectly telling you you're doing something wrong then not reading your response? That's so unlike them 🤔

[@futuza]

I can't believe Google would do something like this, it's totally out of character! /S

[@chuggyhuggy8783]

Much love Mr. Rossman. You are a bad ass and do great things.

[@NebulaLuna]

The youtube premium download issue is exactly why I stopped paying a subscription to YT Premium and Spotify!! I go on the road a lot outside of cell service. Multiple times I've had Spotify completely remove my downloads (well within the 30 day download expiration limit) for no reason while I am out. I have youtube premium yelling at me to connect to the internet to use my downloads fully defeating the purpose. I got fed up and ended up ripping all my liked songs on both platforms and throwing the mp3's into my phone.

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

Yeah the other issue is you pay but have the videos are just ads themselves. And then within the videos there's endless self-promotion, sponsored bits etc. so you're really only removing a fraction of the ads when you pay 13 bucks a month or whatever it is

[@TooMuchMiddle]

Friggin' KZbin Podcasts app was the same damned thing. I would think I was downloading my podcasts to my phone, and it would still buffer and stop when I'd lose connection.

[@zealstarwind]

fun fact, the PSP and PSvita had a means to get around an always online connection. You payed for their service and you could access your games anywhere on the go, the licenses were timed and sure you couldn't always just play the game, a simple connection to the store after the expiration timer (most games I owned were a year) would renew that licenses again so it can be used offline again. Steam does something similar with the steam deck as I've never had to connect online with it once I installed the game.

[@SirStonjake]

@@zealstarwind Funny you mention the Vita, as Louis' point about "giving of yourself and being treated worse" applies to that now as well. I recently picked one up for ~$70 on eBay and after installing homebrew, there's no need to renew licenses for downloaded games.

[@Acetyl53]

yt-dlp

[@budworx1639]

KZbin’s download policy is BS. I download a lot of videos to watch in my down time when I work in remote areas with no service and I run into this unavailable without internet BS way to often.

[@LatitudeSky]

There are other apps that facilitate downloads. Many seem to operate from China where they cannot agree to the TOS on a service banned in their country. Apps from China do not give two shakes about rules, TOS terms, or even copyright laws.

[@ZergRadio]

JDownloader 2 is a great piece of software. Downloads from sites that make is so hard to download stuff from their website.

[@Ebani]

Your fault for using KZbin

[@cjboyo]

@@EbaniYou say… on youtube

[@xchronox0]

But if you were to say, use a third party downloader, that just gives you the files, for free, would that work for you? There's not only a bunch of websites that do it for you, but there's even programs, like yt-dlp, etc. Hell, even VLC will let you download a youtube video.

[@nickybesters]

Good luck to you, Louis! Something always seemed off with YT in general to be fair, so this does not come as a surprise.

[@paultomaszewski1964]

KZbin is turning into an HOA Karen. You know, threatning you, fining you, telling you what to do but you're not in the HOA and have never been.

[@alainportant6412]

I reported you for hate speech slur (karen). I think youtube will ban you too.

[@Wheelieking619]

Ahh you r funny man/or woman ,your choice. Funny statement tho!

[@Hrrrrrrrrrreng]

KZbin has been deleting a lot of my comments for no reason. They’re genuinely atrocious. Can’t wait for something better to come along.

[@Alfred-Neuman]

Yeah, Google (and KZbin) was one of the rare mega-corporation that I respected in the past, for a few reasons... But in the last 5-10 years all that respect went completely down the drain. The censorship on KZbin, especially in the comment section, is really out of control. Sometimes here now it just feels like if I was living in a dictatorship like China or Russia. That's not normal... A few years ago they started censoring anything that would look slightly like an insult between users, but now anything you write can be censored for absolutely no reason! I'm now regularly verifying my comments with a second account and probably between around 10% or 20% of my comments are not showing up to other people. (Depending on the subject and length of the comment.) I'm talking about comments that doesn't contain anything controversial, insults, urls or anything like that. I had hope this could change back to how it was 10 years ago but I know the odds for this to be happening are pretty much none. Knowing how the system works now, I'll have to be extremely lucky if I can post this without having to do a dozen of modifications... lol

[@jessiesewell4076]

​@@HrrrrrrrrrrengThere is a reason! You think for yourself. Lionel drugged Jeffery with LSD, why have the brain destroyed 😉.

[@wimbeedoodle]

After fighting with Google over a technical issue they had no idea how to solve for almost two years (still unsolved), I can't believe anyone at google/youtube has enough reading comprehension to manage a legal letter.

[@Magikarp-4ever]

They don't it was written by a hired firm :p it's not native, they cant and never could

[@vak2586]

What's the tech issue?

[@ZacharyJClark]

​@@vak2586I also want to know

[@mynamemylastname7179]

That is why the hire 3rd party legal teams😂

[@BoredPodcaster]

The Legal Department of Google is the one thing they ensure works correctly, and without fault. Sadly their argument is complete nonsense, and they're incapable of understanding that.

[@buckwheat6722]

Amen Brother. Keep up the good fight! Oohraah!!!

[@johnkennedy7469]

RESPECT just continues to grow..

[@radiantxpdd]

I love how you made "I'll see you in my next video" sound like a threat directly aimed at KZbin.

[@matthewtalbot-paine7977]

Oh so even in the letters youtube sends they say you've violated our terms of service without providing any specifics lol.

[@suparosc02]

They don't want to be specific, so they can get you from something completely different if you go to court, going like: oh, this? No, that letter was mistakenly written, we're getting you for this other thing instead...

[@SALTYCOMBATDIVER-ExInstructor]

I'm regularly banned on KZbin for allegedly violating their harassment policy. The most harassing thing I have said is that KZbin is liable for the harm caused by their pushing misinformation. My nephew died from sHLH after the jab, he was 22. My spouse had shingles, seizure and myocarditis after the jab. My daughter developed heart problems after the jab (now on beta blockers and being evaluated for POTS). My mother developed heart problems after the jab (now on beta blockers). My cousin developed heart problems after the jab. So I'm very interested in the misinformation KZbin has pushed.

[@BGTech1]

So they can have extra time to work up a few lies

[@easttexan8168]

You violated the terms of service by violating the terms of service. Clear as mud.

[@dtvjho]

Good luck to YT if this goes to court. No judge is going to accept a blanket accusation letter on its face. At Discovery the opposition can subpoena YT for specifics.

[@carstencroessmann]

Same here in Germany, I answered some Comments on my videos, but it was deleted too.

[@Deathsneeze007]

Thank you Louis. Good luck in your future passions.

[@TheDeceptiveHero]

“We strive to keep KZbin a safe, responsible community and to encourage respect for the rights of millions of KZbin creators.” Damn, my keyboard didn’t survive that coffee shower.

[@robertsmith2956]

I haven't seen one free palestine video removed, let alone the account deleted. but god help you you mention a bathroom towel......

[@michaelblacktree]

English Translation: "We're concerned people will leave the platform, and we'll make less money."

[@skd]

I have the same problem, people accusing me of deleting their comments and I never even seen them. Not in spam either, just gone. And the ones that are in spam, are something like "nice video, loved the premiere. See you on Monday!". I have to filter thru 300-500 comments every day, just to fish out those innocent comments from spam.

[@shinyrayquaza9]

My comments have been getting shadow banned it seems recently, they'll show up in my post history but won't appear on the page, its awesome

[@jessiesewell4076]

​@@shinyrayquaza9Ever since I've been pointing out Lionel drugged Jeffery with LSD. All my comments get wiped

[@SkywalkerOne1977]

@@shinyrayquaza9 Same

[@abadenoughdude300]

Nothing encourages engagement like the uncertainty if the essay you're writing about how the video you just watched has put you in a philosophical mood is going to be immediately deleted or not, let alone if anyone will read and relate to what you're writing.

[@vellathewench]

@@shinyrayquaza9 I have also had this happening for the past few months.

[@thefancytiefling]

It's simple. Just call them out on it. They will not remove such a big channel because they'll lose a ton of monetization more so than it's worth to go after you. Even if you are targeting their scam ads

[@MH44444]

We have needed something like this for a while. Thanks for doing this and standing up to Google.

[@Gin-toki]

This world revolves around hard labor does not pay off but crime does. And streaming services have more or less forgotten that they only exist because they're marginally less annoying than pirating, and they're really pushing that border.

[@SharienGaming]

welcome to capitalism!

[@SailorRalph]

They pushed beyond that border already... To the high seas!!!

[@alexello1189]

A 35$ firestick can be jailbroken in 15 minutes with a KZbin guide. I have 3-4 in my house. Fuck subscription services

[@dtvjho]

The problem is that streaming came to be owned and run by the same shenanigans that run cable TV, bringing all those detestable business practices with them: cutting backroom deals resulting in disappearing titles, treating customers as money to be pilfered (hiking prices), and (soon to come) booting customers off once the Chinese communist style social credit system is put in place. These are all signs of business chiefs being so out of touch with their customers that they're willing to attack them, and in many cases are doing so. It's not just social media doing this. Banks are doing it.

[@adamdewolfe]

Only reason I ever made use of Netflix was the desire for higher bitrate video streaming. Now that they no longer offer 90% of the content I enjoy, and keep cancelling projects I would be interested in, I cancelled my sub.

[@Ghost_of_93]

i have a immense respect for you, the fact you are willing to go toe to toe with youtube/google AND get laws passed.. is just... wow, i wish that others follow your example.

[@Terran.Marine.2]

The man has courage.

[@phantomstarlight1366]

If there was, we wouldn't be heading full steam towards a dystopia.

[@randomunavailable]

That's because he can't be bought or silenced. He has income outside of their control and that makes them very angry. Good.

[@SloeJuice]

3:53 I'm loving this response 😂The last sentence is just :chefs kiss:

[@96789jcady]

You the man Louis. Dont let the man stick it to you. These companies nowadays are only driven by $$$. They could care less about their customers or creators. Keep up the good fight. We will all miss this channel if youtube has their way.

[@MrPingn]

I don't often pay for apps. I payed for yours. Proudly and happily. Your fight is one worthy of support.

[@rossmanngroup]

Thank you!

[@SuperSpecies]

*paid ;)

[@flamevell3258]

1:04 I LOVE how they demand privacy and command him to delete any information gathered as if they are NOT the ones who do that TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

[@abadenoughdude300]

"That's our data, we stole it first!"

[@Stambo59]

Typical corporate "do as I say not as I do".

[@nickbrown3571]

You're one of the real ones. Respect.

[@Abdullah97484]

Louis you’re a smart guy and I hear you all the way. I started to feel the same frustration with all these subscriptions services of today just increasing prices and reducing their package so drastically it’s a completely different service within a few years.

[@mayanwiner]

KZbin sending their lawyers to try to threat competition is borderline criminal.

[@Nereosis16]

Except it's not illegal in the US.

[@GigaBoost]

No... It's business as usual. This is how all businesses operate

[@sihamhamda47]

Google and YT is now turning into Nintendo 2.0. They literally doing the same thing as Nintendo does in removing any mods from their platform

[@johnlucas6683]

The way I see it, the more we develop technology, especially for communication, the more corporations strive to slow down and hinder progress in exchange for profits. We are slowly going backwards because of corporate greed.

[@Acuas]

On certain fronts that's true, but it's also true that on others the contrary happens, AI is facing more backlash from the general population rather than from companies (or at least that's what I've seen so far). Everyone just cares more about themselves rather than general progress, sadly.

[@mrrooter601]

@@Acuas nah, corporations are getting EXACTLY what they want with AI. the public was primed to hate it, and given lots of talking points on why its SO HECKIN DANGEROUS and why its only safe to have neutered subscription service only AI where it is all easily controlled by a few companies. the manufactured outrage is being used to prevent free and open AI FOR ALL levelling the playing field. instead it will screw over everyone but the highest, and the artists and AI safety decriers will get thrown under the bus the second they stop being useful. so instead of EVERYONE having AI to create with, only a few will have unlimited access. its not 12d chess, there was always going to be some outrage as there is with anything c*ntroversial, its just matters what gets "signal boosted" to the masses, meanwhile the opposite view will never see the light of day.

[@xaviermontalban717]

Slowly?? We are basically stagnating, and the government doesn't help either

[@xaviermontalban717]

​​@Acuas IA is not being used useful either. Every IA tool comes with a huge price, and it doesn't even do the thing you'd expect. Even chat GPT isn't very useful unless you pay for it. This shoulve been the thing that could propell society into the future, but again, it's being used for money

[@Acuas]

@@xaviermontalban717 But it needs to grow and be perfected before is trully usefull, and all tech is perfected because of money first, or war if we look back, so I don't see a problem there.

[@chriscordoba3979]

Yea that makes sense. I agree with you!!

[@dmeemd7787]

THANK YOU 🙏 Between this and previous accounts, I’ve been watching your channel for years and years… The amount you’ve accomplished from right to repair to actually doing the repair and countless other items, THANK YOU for the LEGIT extra nudges to full on implosion to keep going and not give up on jack sh**..! I hope to see you on here for longer, but will follow elsewhere, as who else is going to try and have any amount of dignity with peoples information, software, and devices?? Hell, goes far beyond just the digital realm.. I got add that I remembered also saving allowances for straight up buying and owning actual software.. always the same way growing up on computers since age 2 or whatever it might…. I remember when the first 16 bit color MacBook came out or the “high resolution” 256 grayscale CRT monitors as a kid.. and also playing with ResEdit.. haha, that the good stuff.. lol 😊

[@Near2Future]

KZbin Legal Team - Copy + Paste - throw money - make them waste money - win.

[@someguy4252]

thats basicly how big corps opperate, they know they can bankrupt their opponet into settling. needs to be a fix to that kinda behavor but it likely wont happen unless its forced.

[@clray123]

They will let Gemini handle the case.

[@VideoGameStarChannelSupreme]

This will be delicious evidence of anti-trust violations if KZbin keeps this up.

[@sigiligus]

Hahahahahaha you think the law is impartial and applied according to how it’s written hahahahahahaha! Big tech is an arm of the state, genius, there will never be any legal action taken against them so long as they continue to cooperate with glowies.

[@glytchd]

IEEE ,FTC, FCC. if anyone should have gotten pandemic money.. we need these groups succeeded 25yrs ago to protect the industry from what's Hattiesburg. But now the FCC has been infiltrated by the neo-progressives hellbent on taking away citizen ability to Communicate. Look up some of the latest laws