YouTuber Big Joel On Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, & The Dangers Of Conservative Self-Help

[@spenceranderson7144]

I enjoyed learning that Big Joel is actually a medium sized Henry. Good video.

[@SawyBoy]

I had absolutely no idea what this meant but as soon as he was introduced as Henry I lost my shit over your fucking comment 😂

[@leaffinite2001]

I think he mentions it in the patreon question of one of his videos too

[@phoebexxlouise]

Yeah what the fuck how did I not know his name is Henry

[@Enkiaswad]

I was today years old when I learned he's not actually called Joel 😆

[@andrewray2507]

I can never unknow this. I am lost.

[@josephkleckner4683]

As one of Small Henry's boys, it's always great finding new progressive creators! Especially women, and doubly so for a channel dedicated to understanding finance (something the left desperately needs more representation in).

[@cleopatraonlyfans]

No doubt. Having my young adult coming of age experience growing up in a sort of pseudo-anarchist microcosm of my hometown, I was taught a strong sense of community but left in my mid twenties with a poor understanding of my own entitlement to assets of any kind. It was only I suppose fashionable to speak about total abject poverty and homelessness so once I’d achieved any level of stability my community didnt really have anything to say to guide my experience past that :( I was living at half of the poverty line back then and I am just below the poverty line on a pension now. It isnt much but it’s stable and I’m excited to rediscover budgeting again through channels like this

[@seraph644]

I'm so charmed by Chelsea reflexively dropping an f-bomb so her guest isn't embarrassed about swearing. What a good hostess! 😂

[@aaronstonemagic2165]

This hysteria when it comes to swearing is typical for the american puritan culture lol. I am from Bavaria and here swearing is part of the culture

[@EggEnjoyer]

@@aaronstonemagic2165 People have no problem cursing in normal discourse here in America, it’s because this is a media production that people are so sheepish about it. Some people want their content to be at a certain maturity level or they don’t want it to push away advertisers

[@evelynbaron8357]

@@aaronstonemagic2165 Scheiss! :)

[@richardallen144]

Chelsea is well-mannered in the classic sense. She behaves in thee best way that will put another at ease.

[@healgoth]

@@EggEnjoyer advertisers and maturity levels are less important than the fines you get for cussing in the wrong timeslot (in radio or TV more than the internet but if you want to enter the mainstream industry from your solo/small platform you have to know when ‘talk like a pirate day’ is over basically) FCC fines *start* at $500 per obscenity, indecency or profanity (also per day it’s continued)

[@JackRackam]

I mean there are a thousand comments saying the same thing but what a crossover

[@andlabs]

I'll be honest your comment here is itself a "what a crossover" from my perspective (though in all honestly I'm more familiar with your work on UsefulCharts than your own channel... at least for now; that might change!). Now we just need some vintage video game/computer guy...

[@alisaurus4224]

Btw Jack i loved your work in the Caribbean

[@vkaatz425]

I don't know about y'all, but I DESPERATELY want to hear Chelsea's financial advice for Henry about investing. MAKE THAT VIDEO, QUEEN.

[@izunahosaki6133]

same! i have the same questions

[@HApqzr77]

I agree that would be more useful. I was somewhat disappointed in this conversation. A tad meandering and fatuous.

[@rachel_sj]

Wow, this is the collab episode I didn’t know I needed but desperately wanted!!

[@peggysweeney1282]

I feel like Khadija Mbowe would be a really amazing guest for you - she's a charismatic presence and she's so good around social analysis. I bet you two could get a really fascinating conversation going!

[@yennefer440]

Yeah, she's amazing!

[@yunglynda1326]

yes would love to see that😁

[@G625-s1c]

big joel talks like an essay even in livestreams, i love it

[@ricebeansrockroll882]

I can't overstate how much i enjoyed this episode, the way you both hyped eachoter up, the way you both state your opinions while still being open with being unsure on certain topics was so refreshing!

[@lindapgolan7070]

Wish she would collab with tiffanyferg. She's commented in here before, and is brilliant on MLM's.

[@lisad4748]

She told The Society community she is going to be on this season.

[@lindapgolan7070]

@@lisad4748 Looking forward to that!

[@Psychwriteify]

@@lisad4748 Any word on the host of How to ADHD? It seems like it would be fantastic content

[@lisad4748]

@@Psychwriteify I don't know. She just mentioned quickly during an office hour that Tiffany Ferg would be on the show.

[@Psychwriteify]

@@lisad4748 I appreciate your response, thank you!

[@TheRealE.B.]

Conservatives like to over-sell how much agency individuals have in improving their lot, but there is a legitimate personal benefit to the optimism bred by this sense of agency and a legitimate danger to underestimating your own power. I think the problems start when successful people whose optimism was vindicated turn around and judge those who didn't get lucky and start making policy decisions that affect everyone based on their own personal experience.

[@krissmiley7519]

Is a individual responsible for poor decision making , or is the individual decision making a result of their enviroment/life long circumstances ?

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

@Kris Smiley The answer is yes. We're both a result of our nature and nurture. The real question is which is more important Scientists have been arguing about it for years but one thing is evident: 100% individualistic approach is unnatural for human species since we're very sociable monkeys. Or, as someone once said "we live in a society"

[@krissmiley7519]

@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 I agree that it is both, So the conservatives tend to favor a individuals ability to make good decisions and seem to overlook the fact that a large swath of people are not mentally able to make "good" decisions .

[@krissmiley7519]

Point in case . I know several ladies aged 30-40 yrsold who make. Around 40k a year who are single mothers of 3-5 children ,the conservatives would question why these ladies who make so little would spend $100.00 or more a month on their hair and nails , purchase a vehicle that requires 30% of their monthly income to own , or why they continually mated with several different poor providers to began with , the conservative would instinctively cut all excess expenditures , and take that money and invest or pay off debt and would within 5-10 years dramaticly change their financial situation

[@Lack_Of_Interest]

@@krissmiley7519 While it is true that twin studies do show that nature does play some part, it is overshadowed by nurture elements (e.g. environment and parenting). It is also true that a large portion of the population is 'uneducated', but it is so due to bad education policies and industrial interests. A progressive would provide explanations for these situations. For example, (I will try to follow your example): Mothers (let alone single mothers) are often seen as not reliable in the workforce (i.e. stereotypical mother role), and thus are paid less than single fathers (i.e. provider role) that might make double or more. This wage gap could be solved by addressing discriminatory business practices that allow workers to be undercut. As for single mothers with children, perhaps these mothers were not ready for motherhood, but the state criminalized contraceptives and abortions. If we want people to be responsible, we have to provide the option and tools necessary for them to do so. On a tangent, having children is a good thing because states can run into problems of not having a large enough workforce for an aging population. So, we should be either be allowing more child allowances to incentivize child rearing or encourage more immigration to supplement the workforce. When it comes to spending on cosmetics, spending a $100 a month is not that bad. However, the point is that we live in a patriarchal world where men hold the 'wealth' and women have the 'aesthetics'. Spending money to not get socially ostracized might be a cost worth having; though, I think we should abandon this toxic norm in favor for something more egalitarian and practical. Vehicles are important to have; not just because of the car culture, but because housing areas are often distant from the workplace. Highway and public transportation infrastructure is sorely lacking. This then puts the burden of transportation on that of the individual. Otherwise, the individual could move, but this is often more expensive in the form of mortgage or rent. As for poor providers, the argument just sounds like 'poor people' should not have children, which sounds like a eugenics argument. As mentioned above, we kind of need more human capital less we the strain the already buckling system too hard. Remember, we should not mad about people having children, but be concerned about the conditions in which they are born (e.g. born into poverty'). Meaning, this is an economic issue and can be solved accordingly. From the evidence I have read, it seems single conservative mothers or fathers are, generally, worse when it comes to the aspects that you have listed. Usually, the ones that do the things listed are ones that are couples, are already well-off, and not single. Bottom line: Hopefully, we can all continue to learn how to better improve our society for everyone as a whole.

[@ktb4963]

"he's just over here, being large. don't touch him!" omg this is the best episode 😂

[@moonlightequilibrium]

...well this isn't a collab i ever imagined but i'm definitely pleased!

[@bixiezelkova9799]

Totally boring for TSE viewers? I think you mean that we need an entire 8 part series that is just you meticulously walking him through the basics of finance in excruciating detail.

[@synesthesiacoyote7575]

Yeeess, we need this!

[@thebeesknees1162]

Gon be taking some notes

[@brucebanksshow]

+1

[@Ryan90red]

Hard agree.

[@Saeril21]

I'm here for it

[@AlicedeTerre]

It’s kinda weird how much overlap Chelsea and I have with our yt watching habits...

[@PaperRaines]

Chelsea is my spirit animal

[@theSSHITT]

Me too! I watch the same youtubers Chelsea watches. I love Contrapoints! I love that Chelsea had a couple interviews with Graham Stephan and I also like Big Joel's media criticism.

[@starlightt4094]

Hello fello leftists

[@geoffreybomber]

Absolutely wonderful. Algorithm brought me here from big Joel’s videos and I’ll now be subscribing. This conversation (20mins in) perfectly describes the struggle I have to reconcile my progressive politics with my desire to still maintain a comfortable future through the use of informed financial decisions.

[@calibby85]

"The obligation of shopping is a way bigger emphasis in women's lives" 100000%. If I hated shopping I can only imagine how much more freedom I'd have...

[@olympiaelda1121]

You have a choice, you know. Even in the face of conditioning and propaganda.

[@vessbakalov8958]

I honestly do not understand what this means.

[@valridagan]

I LOVE KAROLINA!! I really hope she comes onto your channel, she's an amazing creator and a wonderful boon to our community! (as I'm sure you already know!)

[@ashassassin]

It would be a great collab. I just hope it happens after covid so we can see Chelsea in a historical dress

[@Isabel-hl1jy]

yes!!!

[@a.z.p.]

Yes please!

[@IzumiCurtiss]

Big Joel TFD crossover is so unexpected and awesome

[@AngelLustZombie]

hello, im one of big joel's boys! i love this interview and im happily subscribing to this channel now. i hope to see some audience crossover and hopefully more women in the the big joel audience. yall work great together

[@KingBobXVI]

Oh yeah, here come the big bois to enjoy watchin' the video, yay!

[@taraa4281]

ugh having such well spoken people to listen to on this platform is so refreshing . literally the perfect collab

[@nedhill1242]

Yea too bad they are literally and factually wrong about pretty much everything!

[@Wealthforthe99Percent]

The Greatest crossover in Anime History!

[@AK-jt9gx]

I am READY to hear my concerns about these people voiced and explained properly. My outlook has always been to run from men who adore these creators but I’ve never been able to succinctly explain why that is

[@snowmoon1743]

exactly this. I had a guy who constantly pushed JP on me & when I started to express boundaries with this guy (unrelated to JP) he blocked me. lol. I had literally known this guy since I was 13 & I'm 28 now (this happened this past year). Definitely knew there was something off about these ideologies, but all I was seeing was the videos he'd send me, not the really problematic things under the surface. Now, outside looking in, I see i dodged a bullet!

[@Carltoncurtis1]

it's simple. they're cults. that's all. JP forms a cult around himself with pseudo-19th century anti-semitism being the glue that binds these men together. JP has never demonstrated how to actually clean up a room even though that's his 'trademark'. Marie Kondo literally teaches people how to clean up their rooms. The difference is Marie isn't trying to form a cult of depressed young men around herself.

[@jackinthebox301]

@@Carltoncurtis1 That JP doesn't specify where to put your underwear is a hilarious attempt to dismiss the actual underlying point he is trying to make. Clean Your Room is literal, yes, but the broader metaphor is that if your life is currently Hell doing the bare minimum, like cleaning your room, can start you down a more emotionally stable path. It's glorified Habit Stacking. Hardly a controversial idea. How you precisely clean your room is mostly irrelevant.

[@hanakadlecova]

As a woman I adore Jordan Peterson and can't get my husband to like him :D Don't trust anybody's opinion, honestly. Just watch a few of his videos and form your own.

[@cantab345]

Watch the Contrapoints youtube video on him. It's the best critique of him and also by someone who is actually a trained philosopher.

[@kanadanka]

Came here for TFD, staying for TFC!!! These conversations are fantastic. Thank you so much for having them and keep it up! So many great points here, but one of the most important is shining a light how so many people that give life and personal finance advice speak as if in a vacuum, not addressing structural changes that need to happen for significant improvements to take place in our societies. Thanks for what you've said about billionaires and others who are well off. Here's hoping these kinds of discussions open the eyes of those who are less well off who support policies that are made to serve the richest. I've been following TFD for a while, watching videos once in a while, but I came across TFC a couple of days ago and I'm hooked.

[@leslietaylor1334]

Wow this is by far the best episode of the podcast so far and it has set a high bar for the future. You are both so thoughtful and your conversation only elevated what you both can do on your own.

[@rruhland]

The fun part of the Mark Zuckerberg t-shirt thing is that his t-shirts are $700 designer shirts.

[@Jeremy-fy1sz]

That's amusing, however hot tip, 150$ linen t-shirts are awesome in the summer.

[@WhenItsHalfPastFive]

Absolutely loved this interview, I can listen to you both talk for hours, and I agreed with almost everything both of you said.

[@tremolo2109]

I LOVE TIMBAH! So glad to see him getting a shout out, he is criminally underrated. I subbed to him on patreon recently, he's going through some personal stuff that will result in a delay in uploads, but he does still have plans in the works and he has a great library of content on his channel already for new viewers to get a feel for his style

[@tremolo2109]

We're In Hell is worth checking out, highly researched content. Check out his video on Jordan Peterson's daughter!

[@DavidNunezPNW]

I'm shocked to hear your audience is mostly female, I love your chanel and proud to be the small 20% of your audience!

[@borkbork4124]

I feel the same way with Big Joel’s channel. I imagined his male/female demo would be more split🤷‍♀️ I love TFD and Big Joel, what a crossover!

[@partyoat]

One of Big Joel’s “boys” here, great podcast!

[@MissRedheadRapunzel]

Australians, remember when in the middle of the covid crisis last year when our prime minister had a home reno scheme where if you renovated your house, the government would contribute but you already to have put $50,000 into it? The fucking dissonance astounds me. And Albo saying "idk who's getting gold toilets but I wouldn't be able to get one"

[@cheshirecat1212]

Update: Albo won the election 🎉🎉

[@meredithwhite5790]

I love when she brings on lefty KZbinrs! And please try to bring on Contrapoints!

[@LoganAllec]

Watching this to find out what the difference is between conservative self-help and liberal self-help.

[@poposterous236]

If I had to make a wild guess, progressive self-help would feature much less passive-aggressive malice towards minorities and women

[@arnettrabaker4872]

@@poposterous236 This sick, and accurate, retort.

[@krombopulos_michael]

@@poposterous236 Even though I really don't like the likes of Jordan Peterson, this really is a kind of smug and baseless assumption that isn't true and ignores what is actually wrong with it. JP's normal views have plenty of misogyny and transphobia but it's not really at all present in his self help, and he never really says anything about ethnic or racial minorities.

[@kgal1298]

@@krombopulos_michael perhaps but ignoring it usually isn’t useful either, but again why minorities or trans people would get advice from people that don’t really recognize them except when it’s time to insult them is beyond me.

[@benwrex6280]

Well here's an idea. How about I, as a trans person, feel safe getting advice from, say, TFD, but not so much from the likes of Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro. Does that help?

[@LovelyMetalhead]

I had to rub my eyes and double check i was really seeing a video essayist I really enjoy in this thumbnail. It really is the man who made an hour long analysis of Click.

[@kiterafrey]

I always find it funny/ironic that the men who pitch a fit about pronouns, screaming about how we shouldn’t respect them and “they don’t matter” are the same people who’ll freak out to the most emotional extreme when you go, “Okay, cool I will then use she/her for you. Since they don’t matter to you.”

[@ale.6195]

Then they go "idc if you call me she cause it doesn't matter" Then when they forget what they said, they get upset. It's even funnier to see in person. I have a friend that happens to be transgender. A frat guy kept intentionally misgendering him. He said it didn't matter, so we started calling him her and he seemed so annoyed

[@af7959]

I for one would like to watch a video where Chelsea sits down and helps Big Joel sort out his finances.

[@KellyLatiolais]

I've loved both of your channels for years so this collab was so great to see! Loved it, very wholesome, learned some stuff, thank you

[@corngreaterthanwheat]

I never thought of it as "Sure, you're poor, but you have a clean room!" Now I will!

[@jillians9847]

Pretty funny how he blurts out "Really??" Like he's astounded anyone would watch his videos. Then he's immediately sorry for interrupting! (Sigh) If only there were more of that kind of humility in the world. 😂

[@grass666]

his name is henry???? I've been watching his vids for a while now and i thought it was joel

[@F_And]

Yeah, he's really weird for that

[@yunikage]

hes not even that big

[@thatjillgirl]

Yeah he said so in one of his videos once.

[@TheRadiantSoap]

HE'S ONLY 5'10", WHICH IS RELATIVELY AVERAGE

[@krissmiley7519]

He looks like a Joel

[@Micahlee_19]

For SURE Karolina!

[@MK-gu5qo]

!!! I'm so glad you had him on your podcast !! This was such a great episode!

[@andrewa9888]

Glad to be among the 15% men on this channel!

[@Jeremy-fy1sz]

The thing about conservative self help that very useful is a core message that "You have to work for your success". Not that the system isn't rigged, but that regardless of the system, you will only have success if you work make progress in your own path and own success. Work to improve the system, the government, and your society, but if you wait for the government to make systematic changes before improving yourself, you will die waiting and most the changes won't substantially change your lot in life anyway. For instance, Dave Ramsey is advises people to pay off their student loans an not wait for the civil servant grant after 25 years of carrying the loans or count on the democrats to cancel all debt, but to pay it off themselves as fast as they can because that freedom from debt is guaranteed vs waiting for the government to grant you a free pass.

[@vintagewriting]

Where it goes wrong is where it persuades you not to try to improve the system. Or that the present dog-eat-dog system is actually better than one with affordable health care, consumer protections, and debt-free college.

[@o0laieta0o]

@@vintagewriting but they are not trying to persuade you to not change the system nor saying the system is perfect. Where did you even hear that?

[@raerae2885]

The very definition of conservative is “adverse to change and innovation.”

[@roxane1237]

The difference is that Dave Ramsey is giving practical advice which are generally sound without hiding his core values whereas modern gurus like Peterson are attracting people with good-enough sounding advice in order to propagate their ideology. You can be conservative and a decent person. Dave Ramsey is like the stubborn bossy dad with good intentions and sound advice we wish we had whereas Peterson is feeding the anger of the "fatherless" generation for personal interrest.

[@theSSHITT]

@@o0laieta0o I've heard Jordan Peterson say a version of "Don't change the system, change yourself." I don't remember the exact video, but he argued that if you don't have your own crap together, you have no business focusing on systemic change. Learn how to make your bed first and repair your relationship with your brother. To me, this seemed that Jordan was saying that you can't do both at the same time.

[@elwin2339]

This was a weird pairing. I really really enjoyed it.

[@poposterous236]

this really rocked. you guys had an awesome discussion.

[@SemicolonExpected]

I like how you try to describe breadtube without calling it breadtube

[@SybilNix]

I was thinking the same thing 😂😭

[@izabelagrobelna4530]

Can we talk about how we center our society around celebrities? This leading to an enormous amount of wealth for individuals with a very narrow kind of skills (some superficial skills) leading the rest of us to idealize them

[@rachelhendricks6886]

Hey! I have watched both you and Jordan Peterson and find you both helpful, but Peterson helped to pull me out of severe depression and turn my life around.

[@lancewalker2595]

Ya I'm really not understanding the antipathy towards Jordan Peterson.

[@eggynack]

@@lancewalker2595 Joel made a whole video about it. Probably his best one too.

[@lancewalker2595]

@@eggynack Ya, so basically... politics? Politics is the reason I shouldn't let Jordan Peterson inspire me out of a suicidal depression? ______________ Fuck that.

[@eggynack]

@@lancewalker2595 A fundamental concern of Joel's video is actually how Peterson functions within the context of self help.

[@relativelyjilly]

@@lancewalker2595 you are allowed to recognize that something helpful to you and still be critical of it

[@jennyrapacz9396]

OMG I laughed so hard "if any of our boys are watching" LOL

[@Mtns-qx1by]

Such a great episode. Please make more like this one in the future. We need more of this.

[@toddthomas1641]

WOW! I have watched this video three times and have found something new to think about every time. Excellent content.

[@aishahb8336]

This is the collab i never knew I needed- two of my fav YT channels having such a great nuanced convo!!!

[@troywalkertheprogressivean8433]

on another peterson note, he doesnt understand, that direct democracy, is the ultimate expression of "personal responsibility".

[@cydelegs]

I’ve been one of ‘Joel’s boys’ sometimes but I’m loving this channel. Enjoyed 4/5 engrossing conversations here last couple days.

[@zeroazimuth]

As a viewer of both these channels, this discussion was just awesome. Much more intricate than I even expected. Thanks!

[@nunyabidnis3815]

One of _Big Joel's boys_ here. I appreciate the collaboration, because it brought me to this channel. Yes, I did *Like, Subscribe, and hit the bell for notifications*. Thank you to Chelsea for your channel, expertise, perspective, and all of the work you do.

[@martinfinnpiano]

It’s great to see a nicely balanced and respectful exchange like this and that is to say nothing of the fascinating content. Brilliant

[@LifeofKairo]

"Strange, fictional characters that are putting on a show for the audience"

[@jackinthebox301]

...and he says that with no sense of irony detectable.

[@radiofloyd2359]

@@jackinthebox301 No, because big joel is as far from a character as it gets. He analyses the things he watches, with his personality being secondary.

[@JustinMoralesTheComposer]

I’d say that’s a pretty accurate description of a lot of online right wing grifters.

[@KingBobXVI]

@@jackinthebox301 - He's been pretty open about the fact before that he isn't a 100% exact representation on screen as he is in real life. Like he said near the end as advice, he _tries_ to "be authentic", but to a degree anyone making videos for an audience is inherently going to be "a character". The difference between his "character" and right wing "characters" is that Henry at least makes an attempt to come across as authentic and believes in the same things his "character" believes, while he's saying here that he suspects right-wing personalities are significantly further from their online personas in real life, and likely don't even believe anything remotely similar to what their "character" believes.

[@jackinthebox301]

@@KingBobXVI Even if we grant Big Joel his personal authenticity he has ZERO basis on which to make his assertion. Zero. He doesn't know them personally, he doesn't know people who know them. Joel is posturing himself for the audience. It's pure conjecture based solely on his distaste for their politics. I've watched his videos, he falls into the same traps he accuses them of abusing. Just because he and Chelsea can't for the life of them understand a center/center right worldview doesn't mean those people are fakes, actors or charlatans. It takes a special kind of ideologue to profess empathy and compassion but then be completely unable to find Reason in someone they disagree with. It's these two that are fake.

[@gosh3482]

Karolina Żebrowska on TFD is what I want and need in 2021

[@avosthyric]

I am one of The Boys (TM) that he has brought over, and I am now subscribed. This was really interesting!

[@geneveiveharper]

When Chelsae can't find a word, her pronunciation of 'uh' starts skewing french, as if she is considering breaking into another language to say what she means. I want more videos of Chelsae speaking French, whatever that may look like.

[@miriamrahimov7741]

Oh man, this is a crossover I did not expect but I am 👏 here 👏 for 👏 it 👏

[@williammcfarlane6153]

Credit cards are being used as a bandaid for the fact that people's wages are either stagnant or in decline but the market still needs consumers... That's one of the catch-22s of our system where companies have the legal responsibility to maximize shareholder's investment which one of the largest cost is labor though labor is also the consumer base they depend on for the profits....

[@ducksandansibles]

Great video! I would love to see another newer KZbinr, Khadija Mbowe, on TFC! She's an awesome social commentary essayist. Super fun and informative.

[@roderick5429]

Yes! Love Khadijah’s videos!

[@katerinaschenke819]

I really enjoyed this one! Glad the podcast is back!

[@deshwitat357hedge7]

Is it weird that I'm a man who watches the Financial Diet and I've never seen Big Joel?

[@leaffinite2001]

Not weird but apparently uncommon

[@philzeo]

Yooo one of the boys, reporting in. Great podcast! No Peterson comment though. Sorry to disappoint :-

[@Amyreadingabook]

love Big Joel so much. So glad you got him on to chat.

[@arinaira1417]

Wow did not expect the collab!

[@thefelicits]

Wow the channel title sounds like something I wouldn't care about but I clicked thru for Big Joel, turns out this lady is smart and awesome and interesting. I have now subscribed. Meanwhile am I the only Big Joel fan who had no idea his name wasn't Joel?? :O

[@sandyosullivan]

All the reasons that I love Chelsea and The Financial Diet as well as Big Joel. The discussion of Jordan Peterson is spot on. Dickishness (that you identify) notwithstanding, his ideas are so poorly formed that of course they're built on a simplistic idea of wishing, winners and losers and a boostrap narrative that only serves a very narrow slice of people. Fabulous to hear it framed as it should be, around insecurity and fear.

[@yasminmata1313]

I’m glad I found this interview. I have never heard of Big Joel but I will check his channel out. I have the same insecurities he does about touching his money. I just hoard it but don’t invest it because I’m honestly scared. I come from a working class family and I was never taught how to invest or grow my money. I do have a 401k but it’s a target date funds but I heard those are full of hidden fees, idk.

[@spiffybumbleteeth]

RIGHT at 58:40 when Joel says “if any of my boys are watching-“ I got a FORD TRUCK COMMERCIAL

[@marikok3801]

Loved this episode so much! Thanks for bringing different types of guests on (especially leftists!)

[@beckycraven2933]

Amazing as always! I would push back against the idea that GamerGate (and Sad Puppies) had no wider political impact, though - I think its animating force, radicalisation, its helping people find each other and creating momentum absolutely helped incubate parts of the current facist movement.

[@sweetestpotato4392]

Absolutely!

[@dom1161]

I am ensconced in the conservative KZbin world because I am conservative. But I also make sure to watch leftist commentary and get the other perspective. Often, like most things, the answer lies in the middle. I think capitalism needs to be regulated and people need to be treated like individuals. The funny part is the right and left actually agree about the power structure of the “elite” vs the rest of us. It’s the culture that is making us believe we are divided along “left/right” lines when in reality, they’d rather have us fighting each other rather than the establishment 👀

[@jaym9879]

FACTS b

[@dom1161]

@@test42356y I should clarify - I mean the left and right of the voting, American people. In general, I think many people, regardless of where they fall left/right, are becoming more anti-establishment and more populist. So many people believe in “elite vs the American people.” Trump ran on that entire premise. I promise you, I’m nowhere close to being a leftist.

[@paradactyl3729]

One of my favorite jokes on this subject is that the only real difference between republicans and democrats is that democrats are more competent liars.

[@dadbodenvy4247]

@@dom1161 pretty much all of Trump's policy made life easier for the elite, sure the rhetoric is popular but at the moment anti-elite policy still doesn't really matter much to voters.

[@toomuchcyan]

lord, y'all got me yelling "YES!!!! YESSSS!" at 22:30 and i would literally kill for a transcription of this video so i could read it like a book and copy and paste that shit lol.

[@MariaPerez-xe9bu]

Ok, you both are in our brains and finally said what we (or at least me) have no words for.

[@makman13]

LOVE Big Joel. Thanks for putting this together.

[@ConstantlyVariedFitness]

Incredible podcast! Would love to see a new podcast with Henry if that's possible!

[@YoYo-gt5iq]

Peterson impressed me with how he stood up to his govt, knowing the punishment was prison and bankruptcy. It completely upended the law in place.

[@cesarvillalobos1692]

I love both of your channels so much! So glad to see you two working together.

[@Carissa99Xo]

BIG JOEL HAS A GIRLFRIEND!?...well kids that's the sound of my heart breaking.

[@moeszyslak3097]

Her channel is really good! She's an artist and the one who does the animations for his videos

[@Carissa99Xo]

@@moeszyslak3097 Well she better be good, good enough for Big Joel...

[@alisaurus4224]

She shows up at the very end of his video on Click

[@midwesterner15]

I love Big Joel’s work on School of Life.

[@elif6908]

An amazing video from two amazing content creators! Thank you for this!

[@RK-re1wm]

I'm so happy that the financial confessions is back :) Please consider getting Hannah Louise Poston on the Podcast. She's a youtuber who struggled with shopping addiction and had to give up her small business due to the pandemic. I would be really interested in a conversation between the two of you.

[@carahurdelbrink5415]

A thousand times this!!!

[@TumiEdun]

Thank you for speaking about this 🤍 need to really audit where you get your information from and learn to think critically for yourself!

[@yodellerrryodels4235]

Well, this explains how TFD got into my recommendations. Good video, you two worked really well together.

[@michaelreppenhagen736]

Marvel: Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover of all time. TFD: Hold my Fbomb. Patiently awaiting the thought slime or philosophy tube episode.

[@uncannedspaghetti]

I would loooove to see thought slime

[@FoxInTheBasement]

it strikes me around the 9 min mark that maybe a lot of Peterson's individualistic philosophy might derive from his area of expertise being predominantly the psychology of addiction. I think he just can't get out of that paradigm much the same way I as a former accountant, economics and personal finance nerd, can't get out of thinking of everything in monetary terms. You become what you pay attention to.

[@inkompetenzkompensationsko4188]

I was thinking the same every time i heared some of his advice. Gotta say tho, i do not consume his content, ivjist sometimes get these shorts of him talking for like 10 seconds or something lol

[@Grarrgle]

Holy shit, I was not expecting a crossover like THIS.

[@DebtFreeDee]

Wow, I find these takes on self-help very interesting. Thanks for collab'ing and bringing this valuable content to the forefront

[@erikmarklund3033]

I know a small businessman here in sweden who loves capitalism and is extremely market-liberal, he hates goverment-support in form of money for people. But then covid hit, and he instantly became a social democrat begging for government aid, the businessguy that supported Trump dont realise they needs government support

[@rhythmandblues_alibi]

Omg these two are such a great combo for meaningful discussion, can you create a co-hosted podcast please!? Love the interesting perspectives you each bring! 🙌

[@ianthomson4723]

Loved this conversation. I’m going to watch Big Joel right now.

[@AnarchyIsLove]

I went from Big Joel to Chomsky and Richard Wolf really quick lol, you're all doing great work.

[@TizBaz5]

I'm a cis hetero male who watches this channel because it's interesting. Since I'm a typical male, learning about other men's opinions or psychology doesn't interest me much -- been there, done that, etc.

[@lysergicashes1538]

Wow this conversation is mega chill, you guys rock

[@andresirigoyen]

As one of Big Joel's boys, I'm good. Thank you for asking. I enjoyed the video :)