ALL 14 DLC Sorceries Ranked! (NO SPOILERS) Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree

PVE ONLY. Tier list of all the shadow of the erdtree Int spells. ELDEN RING PATCH 1.12. Ranking from worst to best with breakdown of stance damage.
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INTRO 0:00
(D TIER) MANTLE OF THORNS 0:26
13 MIRIAM'S VANISHING 1:02
12 RELLANA'S TWIN MOONS 1:50
(C TIER) CHERISHING FINGERS 2:46
10 MASS OF PUTRESCENCE 3:33
(B TIER) GLINTSTONE NAIL 4:14
8 VORTEX OF PUTRESCENCE 4:46
(A TIER) RINGS OF SPECTRAL LIGHT 5:37
6 GLINTSTONE NAILS 6:27
5 GRAVITATIONAL MISSILE 7:13
4 GLINTBLADE TRIO 8:17
(S TIER) FLEETING MICROCOSM 8:59
2 BLADES OF STONE 9:55
(OP) IMPENETRABLE THORNS 10:51
OUTRO 12:10

[@ShikiRyougi05]

I genuinely have no idea how impenetrable thorns made it through testing...

[@wzx6x6z6w]

I hope they never nerf it, lol, being a sorcery user in this DLC is suffering.

[@laidbacksage2574]

​@@wzx6x6z6wand a good percentage of Elden ring fans hate us for some reason

[@somebody4094]

​@@wzx6x6z6wjust punch the enemies

[@wzx6x6z6w]

​@@laidbacksage2574 tbf they got some good reasons, sorcery build genuinely made this game easier before DLC came out.

[@ShikiRyougi05]

​@@wzx6x6z6w but you're just a bleed build if you use it. Because why use anything else if you have it equipped...

[@noamias4897]

Appreciate how spoiler free these are

[@2Nagakibas777]

😂 yeah he should of ranked the spells without showing them…

[@pixel_moo64]

​@2Nagakibas777 obviously it shows the spells and does spoil that, but it doesn't show any other dlc content so it only spoils what people know it will

[@MeliMeli893]

Its as player to be not spoiled just ruins it

[@quandale_dingle6353]

This guy is great at not spoiling anything he doesnt need to, i feel like most of the community doesnt care at all compared to other games. Ive seen so many bosses in thumbnails and titles.

[@natem355]

Radahn is the final boss

[@karttashki8268]

as a int user , i feel like the undesired child next to faith this dlc

[@rafaelmartinelli9377]

And the fact that there soooo many incantations makes it worse...

[@calebadamu]

i think i remember ymir mentioning something along the lines of "glinstone sorcery is the study of the stars and in the land of shadow the sky is always dark" if you want a lore reason why there's not a lot of magic.

[@304enjoyer3]

Playing for 6 hours now and haven’t found a single incantation wtf

[@YipeekayHarasho]

faith user weapon: Weapon wielded by God to slay God Int user weapon: Space rock

[@Gewaldrocm]

You do remember how broken magic was in the basegame already? There are few incantations that can hold a candle to it.

[@eliseo5416]

FINALLY someone who has the common sense to show the spells in combat. I don't just want to see the animations people!

[@Tychonious]

Finally someone did the work for me!

[@eliseo5416]

@@Tychonious Yeah that's sort of the entire point of this video my dude.

[@junk_bot_man6412]

@@Tychonious so you’re the type of person to buy a game without seeing gameplay I assume

[@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar]

​@@Tychonious Smh why is this phone reviewer turning on the phone and testing it's performance

[@KogasaTatara514]

Maternal staff makes the impenetrable thorns do upwards of 1,400 bleed, it bleeds greyoll in a single hit continuously.

[@louiemimis598]

wtf....

[@deamon6681]

Does Maternal staff have any buff to bleed? Could't find anything on that, or what do you mean?

[@louiemimis598]

@@deamon6681 I am assuming he says that because it's the only stuff that scales so well with arcane after the Albinauric Staff nerf. It has a Sor scaling only 2nd to the Prince of Death's stuff but for this one, you use arcane and not faith which is much better for this build.

[@deamon6681]

@@louiemimis598 Thanks for the first part, that makes sense, but you loose me again with the second part, what do you mean with "this build"? How is a singe spell a build? If you have a Int/Faith build you use PoD's staff, if you have a Int/Arc you use this staff, but the spell doesn't dictate wich build, does it? Both builds can use the spell just the same.

[@louiemimis598]

@@deamon6681 There are builds around a single AoW and you think it cannot be the case around a spell as broken as this? People stress-test these kinds of builds and I have already seen multiple people use buffs and 1shoting all the DLC bosses with this spell alone. I think that you can EASILY make a full build with arcane/int if you add a little faith with Dragon Breaths and Weapons like RoB or some Sleep weapons that have been recently added

[@paation]

You can "Gravitational Missile" to the ground(or wall) to make it explode immediately. It's very effective with an annoying small enemy.

[@nox_luna]

yeah im sad he didnt notice this

[@0ceanking]

This makes the spell so versatile, it can be a great CC against enemies who can be pulled in by the pulses, but against enemies who can't, you can just detonate it immediately to get a stagger/hard knockdown and a ton of damage! Great workhorse spell imo. Some tough enemies like fire knights can even be stunlocked to death by just repeatedly casting it into the ground at them.

[@harmlessjack]

Aww no hyperarmor on the moons is so sad, it's such a cool looking spell.

[@videocrowsnest5251]

Yea, it's just far too easy to interrupt. I wish it had a point of no return or something where after that is done, the attack cannot be halted, and the only defense is to back off.

[@sniff494]

That's the case with so many big gawdy spells in this game that is makes me wonder what the logic is behind it, so many would to from unusable to mid at best of they just couldn't be interrupted

[@heartfullofpink6605]

I'm hoping they buff it to give it hyper armour like they did with some base game incantations

[@ixiahj]

Its kind of a trap. If you can't interupt the caster before the moons come out, don't bother. Once the 2 moons come out, they'll smash the ground even if you hit the caster and they fell.

[@nRumbaII]

I tdont know guys. its the spell I used most in the dlc. its abviously not designed for big bosses but everything that is not very big gets staggered into oblivion. And with so many npc fight in the dlc... well, lets say they were very easy for me. also very fun to use

[@mistakai4226]

You missed a few of the main benefits of flintstone nails and glintstone trio. These spells can be used unlocked and still track enemies. Magic glintblade and the star spells cannot.

[@00SmileTime00]

Wow that's huge. Thanks for that 👍

[@stlsolo3145]

Oh wow, gotta test for myself but that just bumped glintstone nails up dramatically if this also applies for invasions.

[@fullfildreamz]

Problem is that the tracking sucks. They're so bad I don't get it...

[@ixiahj]

Nails are also boosted by a staff and an armor set. Deals a ton of damage for just 10fp.

[@vargas4224]

I think he also missed that gravity bomb can be made to explode inmediately if shot at the floor

[@benjaminborja5029]

FromSoft balance be like: This spell does everything and cost nothing This other one does nothing and cost everything ...why

[@sniff494]

It's a running joke with my friends that if they find something for my faith build that the higher the requirements the worse it'll be

[@benjaminborja5029]

Now that I'm think about it....that joke kind of applies to the entire game lmao

[@mr.cobbweb1624]

Flame of Frenzy is a bit busted considering how early you can get it and how low the requirements are, somehow a sneezy flame starter incatation has really good dps and the legendary holly comet hits like a wet noodle. 60% incants are really garbage with the simple context that they're stuck behind this supper hard DLC and some of the decent ones are just not worth using compared to base game alternatves (Ghostflame breath is redundant, so are the Bayle incants compared to Dragon Maw and Dragon Claw; the Multilayered Rings of Light are ok but the more spammable rings alternatives exist; why did they make Spira so bad my god what the hell just use Honed Volt and don't touch this garbage; Crucible: Bloom is hilarious when you put it along side Burn O Flame, Ancient Dragon Lighting and even Godwyn's deathblight lightning; Midra's Flame of Frenzy is just worse Unstopabble Frenzy; Roar of Regalia is just worse Greyoll's Roar; Rotten Butterflies is just worse Scarlet Aeonia and making it just take up one slot wont change that fat FROMSOFT- ).

[@VSN-wb2ly]

From software balancing is weird, you have the coolest looking incan and it'll loose to a simple zip of lightning

[@xXLunatikxXlul]

​@@mr.cobbweb1624true.

[@YungTigris]

2:46 You didnt use Cherishing Fingers correctly at all, its not supposed to do damage or poise, its supposed to be a defensive spell that eats physical or magical projectiles . it’s actually pretty good especially if you use it alongside eternal darkness or inside of the threshold of a door, as far as pvp is concerned its at least a b-tier spell Edit: take cherishing fingers and eternal darkness into Renallas second phase, the only attacks that will be able to hit you are her comet azure, the wand spin, and her summons

[@twoshu8940]

It shows him dodging damage with it too 😭 still kinda bad tho

[@Silvanohnerizz]

he tested it in a stream exactly for the purpose you said it's meant to fulfill and it didn't do shit. 85 Percent of all attacks still went through the fingers and they are still too expensive

[@anubis3397]

The main problem with the spell is that elden rings defininition of a projectile is inconsistent as fuck. I used this spell against the sniper crabs it went straight thru😭

[@SpaceElvisInc]

​@Silvanohnerizz skill issue honestly

[@evanbyrain]

@@Silvanohnerizz maybe he shouldve used that footage that shows why the spell is actually bad instead of "mmm not enough damage cant use its terrible"

[@GRAHFMETAL]

I 100% solo'd the DLC, so it's funny looking at gameplay of Malenia, cause she seems so calm and quaint compared to the DLC bosses, especially the final boss

[@somebody4094]

that dude is borderline compulsive

[@GRAHFMETAL]

@@somebody4094 Yeah, I needed a big ass armor and big ass shield to tank his flurry of 5000 hits in a row, lol

[@SwiftVTing]

@@GRAHFMETALI just tried parrying all the attacks, it works almost as well. If not a bit more risky.

[@drexalte69]

Do you have any tips for me to beat the stupid hippo? Istg, it’s legit the worst boss I have ever fought, I can’t see any of his attacks, I just gave up after 3 hours of constant fighting like a maniac and used summon but still can’t manage it, man Fuck whoever designed this boss

[@GRAHFMETAL]

@@drexalte69 For the Hippo I just kept my distance and used ranged attacks. I was running like a coward to the other side of the room most of that fight 😅 If you think that boss is bad, then you might want to avoid the optional boss, General Gaius, who's like the Hippo on super steroids. Gaius is actually my most hated boss. He sucked

[@chef5588]

Not as much intelligence sorcery cause all the real ones are hanging out at Burger King Hogwarts

[@mibbzx1493]

found some Glintstones in my baconator last week, no complaints tho

[@drunkfarmer5106]

I love my Night Comet Whopper with extra cheese.

[@MarlicJr]

Starlight fries go hard 🔥

[@lightofthecolossus]

Rellana's twin moons is my favourite sorcery in the game, but I can confirm it isn't really good. It can keep some bigger enemies stunlocked like the black knights and also works wonders on groups of small enemies that might not even be able to reach you while you are in moon form. Aside from that, the damage is kinda good, but the complete lack of hyperarmour makes it really hard to use.

[@osmano8498]

It's pretty niche, but it's really, really good when it works. For example after doing a riposte/backstab, you can directly input this spell and some enemies will get stunlocked and get all the 3 hits. I did that against (spoiler of a random, non-major dungeon boss) : the Death Knight, it worked wonders.

[@khknight]

Wait a second, you’re telling me that cool wall bouncing projectile sorcery that one sorcerer in scorpion river catacombs was using isn’t in the game?

[@andrei-cezarbleaje5519]

no

[@Spacecadet343]

Very disappointing, I was waiting to find it in the whole dlc.

[@draymondstreamz8268]

Hey bro you’re the goat for doing all the grinding so that we can better undertstand all the new content. You are appreciated.

[@Dino_Dank]

these videos are so high quality. I love that when u mention a spell or talisman u show the picture and description for those who may not know it off the top of their head. keep it up : )

[@calvintuano557]

miriam vanishing is so niche but i actually like the idea. they either buff the initial casting speed or buff the distance travelled to compensate the delayed buffer.

[@NoorAgafia]

As a fervent user of Stars of Ruin, Ancient Death Rancor & Rock Sling when the game first launched, I was not expecting so many new sorceries like the previous mentioned ones, as they were already very strong. They also look awesome, especially Fleeting Microcosm. Thanks!

[@rayz5508]

The moon spell had massive AOE when Rellana used it. Guess it's another spell that is better when a boss casts it. One of the Fromsoft traditions.

[@dhakman8765]

What I find sad about these new spells/incantations is that most of them are so weak/slow that it is more viable to just use spells from the base game. It’s sort of bad design on the DLC’s part

[@symbioz2]

Yes.

[@gamesstarthere]

At least we got the gravity spell variety for great cosplay potential.

[@ayro0638]

Exactly, the OG spells are by far better, not even close

[@xXLunatikxXlul]

True. The dlc sorceries and incants pale in comparison to most base game spells.

[@ilikestamps2978]

Oh my friend you are so wrong. There's a new talisman that INSTANT charges spells, but you take more damage. But still, instant charging spells is nuts

[@scottstaker6818]

Oh god skumnut is going to do the thorn roll 2.0 dlc playthrough 😢

[@free_instructions2259]

The sorcery does do more damage though so if he decides to do it it's actually gonna be easier

[@asdergold1]

​@@free_instructions2259 Not if you include the DLC.

[@fishman432]

Goated video, goated streamer day 2

[@thevoidarkhangel]

2:13 That godskin looking like "Bruh"

[@MetroBooln]

Great videos sir, appreciate you showcasing some thing I missed and go back to look for

[@user-sp7zw7ep4z]

The man is working

[@joshuakim5240]

A note regarding Miriam's Vanishing: you can combo into other spells following it up since they begin casting during the teleport animation. As a result, if you slot spells correctly, you can use it as an evade+attack combo.

[@Tychonious]

He said that

[@alfonshedstrom9859]

The s overlap with being actionable, so you can cover the hyperarmor startup of Gavel of Haima or other hyperarmor spells or incantations

[@N8TheGreat1028]

Love your videos and commentary! Keep em goin

[@goncaloqueiroz4075]

Thanks for the great videos. Keep the great content coming.

[@oldiemcfee]

I knew I wasn’t trippin. I was like why I am finding all these incantations but no sorceries.

[@EnzoCroft]

I like the twin moon spell for killing the fire giant guys. You run in between the feet, they try to stomp and you are in the air so they miss. Then they fall over after about four casts and you run to the the face and hyper beam there face with the flask and they die.

[@AndJusticeforAll567]

As someone wanting just ONE good Arcane sorcery please stop talking about nerfing Impenetrable Thorns 😭

[@Panurome]

But impenetrable thorns is a faith sorcery, like the other thorn sorceries. They require faith and their staff scales with faith. If you wanted to use it on an arcane build you would need to use the albinauric staff, and at that point you have to invest on faith for the sorcery and then arcane and Int for the staff, and being split between 3 damage stats isn't ideal unless you are at a very high level

[@Vampaer0]

@@Panuromeit only requires something like 10-11 int for either of the ARC scaling staves (new staff is actually better), so for the investment into 25 faith (+1 for Golden Vow) it’s actually not too different from other Arcane scaling builds. Doable at 150

[@wispl2948]

@@PanuromeMaternal staff is the best staff for the spell 100% bleed procs more often

[@Panurome]

@@wispl2948 that makes sense, I didn't know there was a new arcane staff

[@yadeel8281]

@@PanuromeSpell damage doesn’t scale of their required stat, it scales off the catalyst you’re using

[@Raptchur]

Awesome vid. Thank you sir!

[@deviantbuilds]

It amazing to see how broken in both ways some of them are. From trash to super op, twin moons at least need hyperarmor. Larger aoi would be nice, but as is, it's extremely situational. The finger sorcery also needs more attributes like a large damage reduction. Which would make sense since the fingers are shielding you. That alog with hyper armor would make it useful against bosses with long combos.

[@austinlombrana7539]

That’s literally what the finger sorcery does he was using it improperly as a dps spell and not a defensive one

[@temnbl1]

Love your vids man

[@vonix9199]

your x-ranking videos top 5 are my shopping list of what items to go look for.

[@Tychonious]

Because you don't have a brain or a personality to speak of

[@isaacarandaaponte766]

I really wish the incantations tier list, by the way, really good vídeo thanks for your work

[@boogit9979]

You failed to mention something about Gravity Missile. If you free aim it downward, the final burst goes off immediately.

[@higguma]

Correct saw it on other videos

[@slthlrdz]

thank you youwy!!!

[@rizekiscat6798]

Thank you so much for no spoilers you a real one

[@Cheeks13]

I enjoy all your videos! u earned a sub.

[@pesusieniii]

Just found your channel, amaizing content. U really put the work on your videos 🙏

[@armedtoaster3366]

do you have plans for a boss ranking video? im curious to see your thoughts on the bosses compared to the base game. Love the video

[@maverick5474]

Just a little extra for Rings of Spectral Light, they have infinite lock on range. Meaning if you can lock onto the target they will hit and not fizz out like glintstones

[@LucasLeCompteMusic]

Another banger video

[@vavakxnonexus]

V happy that Glintstone Nail(s) and Fleeting Microcosm are good - they're some of the sorceries I'm most excited for in the DLC. Impenetrable Thorns also seems ridiculous in a fun way.

[@rhythmguild4333]

Hey your channel is really good. 👍❤️

[@mezzelblack]

Hey, I wanted to say that the Cherishing Fingers spell also protects you from all projectiles and spells that work like projectiles. A good example of this is Rellana. For people who have trouble dodging the magical sword slash projectiles, use Cherishing Fingers and you will avoid all those attacks. Hope this helps someone :)

[@noamias4897]

The self-thorn sorcery can be useful when clearing areas with skeletons because you won't need to use a spell or wack them with your staff anymore

[@SpaceElvisInc]

You can also just use shared order on a dagger for the divine buff

[@danieldancza6171]

Another point against mass of putrescence is that if you hit any sort of elevated surface, like a wall with it the explosion just doesn't work... So there's no point casting it anywhere that isn't big and open because odds are it'll just fail

[@mohamedkhomsi3375]

Thank you very much, Youwy sensei! Was wandering whether I should duplicate Gaius' soul since I want his weapon and you ranked the spell 2nd of the DLC. Got it. Duplicated.

[@caedyncew7042]

This channel is too underrated.

[@PlumpYoshi]

Cherishing fingers blocks projectiles, it has some fun interactions with Collapsing Stars and Ancient Death Rancor, makes them fly in a weird angle if you cast it just after the fingers. It blocks incantations and spells, so it's pretty nice

[@starflarethewizard1490]

I’m really hoping they either buff these spells, and/or add more. It really sucks how FromSoft is basically spoon feeding Faith/Arcane Incantation casters while pure intelligence casters don’t get much beyond just offensive spells. I get that Sorcery is meant to be the more offense focused magic, but it really stinks they don’t give Sorcery more versatility and utility. I want more support and defense Sorceries. And it really sucks they never expanded on the smaller Sorcery schools like Frost, Magma, Bloodthorn, or Clayman Sorceries in the DLC. Love the DLC, but man it really feels like FromSoft doesn’t like Sorcery.

[@lakatariah5815]

8:00 just like the mistake you did on rolling spark, gravitational missile instant explodes if you cast it on the ground or on a wall, which makes it way better than the fleeting microcosm

[@P1nk_F0X]

Twin moons are actually insane to cheese stuff behind the walls. Also works vertically.

[@rakwraithraiser392]

Gravitational missile can explode immediately if you aim it at the wall or floor dealing the first wave and final explosion damage making it more versatile than microcosm however microcosm has more range

[@loafylovebit9964]

Something about cherish fingers you didnt mention is its ability to block projectiles and some spells, which depending on the specifics of what it blocks could have some defensive usage

[@rexwrecks5227]

Tip for Gravitational Missile. You can fire it directly into the ground to trigger the explosion immediately, the drawbacks being you have to untarget the enemy and the projectile won’t go very far, obviously.

[@EldenRingBuildsArchive]

Out of curiosity, does the briar armor or the new thorn spell able to activate the sword insignia? Might be useful against bosses that are hyper aggressive, if it works, otherwise, eh…

[@icekuma6612]

I think the correct way of casting Gravitational Missile is casting it to the ground between you and the enemy, it explodes immediately, does decent AOE damage and can blast away most enemies when enemies get too close.

[@kanseidorifto2430]

Gonna be real here, the whole thing involving the thorns. If we have the ability to annihilate enemies via rolling into them with ashes of war, slapping them, grabbing them, and using any other form of obscure combos, they could really buff the thorn rolling.

[@milosmiladinovic7185]

What I like about the ring of spectral light is that it’s slow enough for me to reach the enemy before the spell ends so I use it in a similar way to rancor call and I can spam it for a long time, as for the frost build up i don’t mind it becomes it works well together with other frost attacks.

[@Winterfang]

Youwy the Goat.

[@ahd1092]

the moment i found impenetrable thorns and used it for the first time i knew it was gonna carry. plus the item desc is fire

[@Isaac-uu9jx]

can you rank all of the summons? im bored of mimic and im trying to use jolan and anna but idk how good they really are

[@Elden_Cock_Ring]

One thing that's really good about Glintstone Nail is its tracking, in particular its ability for you to cast it while riding Torrent and running away I completely cheesed Sennesax by casting Glintstone Nail and riding Torrent away from the boss, and its insane tracking allows you to not have to turn around and face the enemy in order for the spell to hit It's the perfect spell for cheesing a boss on horseback

[@CaptchaCouch]

So Miriam's vanishing in PvP is amazing. It's very fast and it removes your opponents lock on which by they get the lock in back, you can hit them with basically any spell. Very good in pvp.

[@farhansaber9330]

For gravitational missile - it's worth mentioning if you lock off and aim it directly to the ground you can trigger the explosion immediately, allowing a sort of "get off my ass" spell with a big aoe. It is amazing for Pve and pvp

[@nicolasvillasecaali7662]

With this new options i wonder what will turn to be the best spell list combo to bring both in PvE and PvP

[@weebto]

You can aim Gravitational Missile towards the ground/walls to make it instantly detonate for as much damage as Cannon of Haima at less than half the FP cost (and with a much faster casting animation)

[@TheDEATHBOOM]

the cherishing fingers have one cool use though as it come up I can block any projectile attack.

[@TalZadios]

Gravitational missle is very op and you can detonate 2 at a time. Light cast pulse 3 times heavy pulses 4. Light cast then on second pulse fully charge and throw it at the ground/wall within 4 meters of your character for double explosion. In pvp this spell is crazy too gives you a safe place to stay and cast within or collapsing star your enemies to you into it.

[@raz3488]

you could make a tierlist on how these spells fare in pvp. coz i think some of the ones that are ranked low could possibly be better in pvp

[@lartkma]

Miriam's Vanishing is also good to evade the charge at the beginning that one of the DLC bosses do and that's very difficult to dodge

[@gahmuretvanbegonia994]

aiming gravitational missile at the ground makes it explode instantly which really ups the usability

[@ZomifiedHam]

Gravity missile can be cast at ground for instant explosion, and it comes out wicked fast too, it feels like the ds3 lava clump but for int

[@samueljohnson673]

Impenetrable thorns is actually insane. Also appreciate no spoilers

[@peterwhite2326]

Buen video, una sugerencia, todos esos hechizos hicieran más daño si usaras el bastón del principe de la muerte, ese es hasta ahora el mejor bastón del juego, tanto en daño como en consumo de pc.

[@Tibasu]

Fromsoft dev's balance decisions confuse me...

[@higguma]

Apprently, Cherrishing Fingers gives you around 80% damage negation. - some random comment on thread

[@spankkakingu2755]

Its very very situational and attacks go through it a lot

[@ixiahj]

So it gives damage negation instead of repelling projectiles?

[@fullfildreamz]

I don't think it does. I don't see any changes when looking at stats while casting it, and in PvP I got blown up trying to cast it. It's also hilariously bad because the hitstun is so low, even if you hit enemies, they can just mash out of hitstun and have prio. Insanely bad.

[@andrelincon8238]

I don’t have the dlc yet but that vanish spell would make my spell sword arena build so good I almost don’t wanna use it

[@UltraStarWarsFanatic]

Can you stack briar armor, thorn spell, aaaaand the goat roll?

[@austinxwade]

Rellana's Twin Moons is such a disappointment. When she does it it goes a friggin football field out and you can't touch her but when you do it it's like jumping in a puddle and a gust of wind can knock you out of it

[@mylatahiri2572]

Wild that the moons don't even have a debuff. That's moon sorcery's whole thing!

[@felixortiz257]

Gravitational Missile is alright in pve but is super fun, specifically in Moghs Palace where the sleeping albinaurics are, cupple it with aoe spells like Zamor Ice Storm or Canon of Haima or other spells like them, you get a slow, fun and more destructive way of slaughtering and farming them. Gravitation missile in my opinion would have done much better as a slow traveling proximity mine or claymore mine rather than a slow traveling ticking time bomb.

[@Yodesla]

As a pre dlc thorns user. Im very happy we finally have a decent spell

[@mercurialblonde]

Impenetrable thorns is usable with my faith build too. Love it

[@PerpetuallyMalding]

What was your build to make use of Impenetrable Thorns? Were you building around it or just pure Int?

[@moonvioletkel]

Is ghostflame the same as death flame? Does prince of death staff boost these sorceries?

[@ave5668]

Could u stack mantle of thorns with the lightning ram ash of war?

[@salvatoreconteddu3766]

I used Miriam's vanishing against the DLC final boss, I found it really useful, you just gotta learn how to time it. Once you do that it is really good and satisfying

[@chriskoloski32]

I still think one kf the best additions is that staff that allows you to cast both sorceries and incantations, meaning that int and faith combo builds are more viable nkw

[@nox_luna]

you missed something about gravity missile, you can spam it at floors and walls at high speed and its amazing, i suggest you review it again.

[@spaceman10th31]

can't wait for the incants ranking. fromsoft really dont shy away from their bias towards incants in this game, not only does faith have far more options in the base game, the dlc added 28 incants, double the amount of sorceries

[@Just_B0red]

It added 28 but majority of them are bad.

[@sniff494]

​@@Just_B0redyeah I've found maybe 2 or 3 that aren't cheeks

[@Just_B0red]

@@sniff494 Maybe few more but I'd say roughly 20/28 suck : Blade of Ans - Terrible Heal from Afar - Niche Crucible Thorns - Bad Crucible Bloom - Bad Minor Erdtree - Downgraded version of Blessing from base game, also short range instead of body buff Land of Shadows - 2nd best incant Wrath from Afar - Same as Heal but worse Light of Miquella - 2nd Best Incant or tied with Land of Shadows Multi Ring of Ligh - Amazing Bear Roar - Niche Knight's Lightning Spear - Best incant in DLC Dragonbolt of Florissax - Missable due to terrible quest line that pairs 2 characters with no connecting points (ok team buff) Electrocharge - Lol (~50 dmg at 99 faith with 2 dragon seals and full death knight set) Bayle's Tyranny - Great for Dragon build Bayle's Flame - Same as Tyranny Ghostflame Breath - Cheaper Borealis Breath Rotten Butterflies - Bad Pest-Thread Spears - Upgrade to Pest Needles Midra's Flame - Worse Unendurable Frenzy Divine Beast Tornado - Bad Fire Serpent - Ok Dmg, only good in PvP Rain of Fire - Pathetic range and dmg Messmer's Orb - 3rd best incant in DLC Watchful spirit - Bad Golden arcs - There is a better option tied to a weapon (weapon is also great so this is useless) Giant Golden arc - ok aoe but there are better options (doesn't hit ground) Spira - Ok for meme build with flask that removes MP cost

[@apdragon321]

Miriam's vanishing was the most reliable way to avoid the snipers in the finger ruins. I bet it can also pass some of those more annoying ballista areas like in stormveil or redmane

[@drumer960]

a gravity stone armor self buff or equip load reduction buff would be goated really wish they added something like that.

[@jaquanepatterson2537]

Microcosm is an absolute bomb, looks fantastic and pretty functional too.

[@WahaBahaOG]

cherishing fingers block spells and mirians vanishing also can be good if using radago icon or the dlc spell speed booster

[@loheavy615]

For the teleport spell have you tryd radagon icon with it?

[@KyokujiFGC]

Would mention that Rings of Spectral Light is also buffed by 15% if you wear the gravebird helm.