Yugioh player tries to guess how good Hearthstone cards are

[@YourPrivateNightmare]

Really made me realize how many cards in Hearthstone look completely useless without their full context because everything is just built around internal synergy.

[@syrelian]

Its really wild because like, its a lot more "tribal" then MtG often is, but unlike YGO most of the cards don't have half a paragraph explaining how they support their archetype and how they respond to The Archetype Gimmick, since HS just doesn't play that way

[@mr.voidroy6869]

This is why ranking cards before the set comes out is always stupid and you get senarios where you rank a card 0 stars when it's meta defining. (Trump *cough*)

[@lifetake3103]

@@mr.voidroy6869 Imagine thinking discussing card potential is a bad thing

[@Cuestrupaster]

Exactly that's why Trump always has the most accurate reviews...

[@Cuestrupaster]

@@mr.voidroy6869 That's literally why Trump has the most accurate reviews e.e ~yes he misses on some of them(good example is Magtheridon, everyone knew it was going to suck), but usually it's pretty spot on...

[@vitordarksider]

To that one chat member, in what world is Patches terrible now? It constantly sees play in Wild, it's the whole reason some aggro decks decide to include a pirate package within it.

[@b8r]

yea their opinions were very strange on pretty much every card. patches is literally an auto include in every deck that runs pirates. and like you said even stuff like token druid/shadow priest run it even though they only have like 6 pirates total, just because hes that good meanwhile they also say "dont underestimate 0 cost spells" for desperate prayer, which i didnt even know existed lmfao

[@ExSpectre]

As a player who mostly plays Wild and my main deck is Pirate Warrior, Patches is awf- okay I can’t even finish that. Patches is insane. The only time he feels bad is when you mulligan him away and he comes back, but even then he’s another body for your quest.

[@pokemonmaster6016]

@@b8r Well tbf, that’s mostly bc priest hasn’t gotten a decent deck to run it in. Pretty much every 0 cost spell, no matter how bad it looks, has seen play in some form (often with auctioneer)

[@b8r]

@@pokemonmaster6016 yea back when auctioneer was played like 2-3 years ago. theres plenty of 0 mana spells that dont see play and a lot that do. but the ones that do see play are pretty much auto includes in everything, like shadowstep, prep, raise dead. 0 cost cards are either godlike or useless and 0 mana heal both players 5 is pretty useless

[@danang5]

its like only moved from tier 0 to tier 1 its still REALLY good for aggro to the point of the first question when youre building an aggro deck is "should i include patches or not?"

[@loupe500]

I feel like chat didn’t do a very good job at this. Humongus Owl was 1 out of 2 cards that made the combo of the most played deck in last set before nerfs, patches is still an op card, making any Wild aggro deck use the pirate engine (and pirate warrior is top 3 deck in the format for about 2 years because of it, quest and ancharr), Varian wasn’t very good at all, Mr smite is a niche option in a very good deck and Idol of Y’shaarj is used in Big Priest but that deck wasn’t even tier 3 since that card was printed (big priest was good in the era Duel Logs said he played, but not since Idol was printed). I feel like they used “tier 0” WAYYY too much. Some of the cards said to be “tier 0” were tier 2 at best

[@svenwagner4717]

Had some good chuckles at those chat comments. The 'not good anymore' for Patches was my personal favorite.

[@kang1983]

mr smite is pretty decent in rogue since you can give your edwin defias kingpin charge

[@ph1lny3]

Mr. Smite is still fairly good in both Standard and Wild. Before Cloak and Scabbs got nerfed, it was part of a wincon in Maestra Rogue, was a solid choice in QL Warrior, and in Wild it sees lots of play in arguably the best deck in the format currently.

[@Titaniumtigerzz]

This^

[@loupe500]

@@kang1983 I guess I was a bit harsh in Mr Smite, he is decent in some decks not just one, but at best he is what you said, a pretty decent card. He is kinda far from the "tier 0" or "tier 1" status it was given. Anyways, my point stil stands, I feel like chat did really poorly in helping Duel Logs understand the cards...

[@bakublader1999]

Idk wtf chat is saying about Varian Wrynn, it wasn't a good card and only saw a miniscule amount of play in control warrior after which people realized it wasn't good. A 10 mana 7/7 that draws you 3 cards is horribly inefficient. Most minions played in control warrior are tech cards or cards with important battlecries, which you lose when you summon them from deck. Drawing 3 cards loses you the mirror match. In an ideal situation it only draws you spells/weapons so that you have more fuel for later turns, but that is simply not worth the card slot at 10 mana. EDIT: Patches is still literally played in any pirate deck in wild. It's still a 1/1 for absolutely free that you don't even need to draw. The thing about refreshing spring water as well is that mage has a ton of discounting (which is why ignite is also really good). If you discount the card you literally draw cards and also go positive in mana for playing it.

[@SandwichGamer107]

Thankl you for this comment. Also couldn't believe that Patches is bad after nerf. Like it's free?? LITERALLY FREE. And you shorten deck (:

[@lioninjawarloc]

they must be redditors. they fucking love these greedy value cards that look really good but are actually hot trash

[@zyella277]

i dont renember varian being used in control warrior at all. Just only as a top end for a short time in Some tempo warriors in old gods.

[@ph1lny3]

Chat clearly didn't play against peak Wild aggro decks. Gibberling/aggro druid with turn 1 12/11 in stats or the current monstrosity that is QL Warrior or Odd/KB Rogue or aggro Shadow Priest. Patches is one of the safest crafts in wild and has survived more power creep than even Leeroy Jenkins.

[@ericthemadscientist8357]

he's pretty good in arena tho! but thats it

[@DatMageDoe]

More in-depth look at the cards: Humongous Owl - Good in Arena. In Constructed, it's used exclusively in an OTK deck. It's one of the faster OTK decks in current meta and said OTK has a high damage ceiling (up to 112), which is surprisingly relevant in its meta. The deck was much stronger earlier, but most of its survivability got hit and it fell to the wayside. Conjure Mana BIscuit - It's only OK. It mostly saw play in Mozaki Mage, a deck which aims to cycle a ton of spells in a single turn to create an OTK-like state. It didn't really see play in other Mage decks, primarily because it's too slow and "Refresh" is very different than "Gain." Desperate Prayer - Was good for a brief period of time. Control Priests briefly ran it because healing is great against aggro decks, and it synergizes with a card that deals damage to the enemy board equal to the amount of health you restored this turn. But outside of exactly that, no Priests ran this. Astral Communion - One of the OG meme cards. Discarding your hand is a very, very big downside for gaining 10 mana crystals, and usually completely defeats the purpose of gaining so much Mana. Emeriss - Yep, it was terrible. Hunters did NOT want to run such a big, expensive, and slow card. Most other classes wouldn't either. Troggzor the Earthinator - Another blast from the past. Troggzor was so ridiculously overhyped, because it fell into a meta well equipped to deal with it. At the time, most decks were aggro and overloaded with minions, spells were the least of your problems. It was also released alongside a much better 7-cost card which was much more useful, Dr. Boom. Varian Wrynn - It saw a small amount of play, Biggest issue was it typically wasn't a very powerful play unless you highroll and it pulls your Ragnaros. Ignite - VERY hated card, primarily because you can see this card get flung into your face tons of times in one game. Hate aside... it only sees use in combo Mage decks, it's way too slow for most other Mage decks because it requires drawing and playing this card multiple times. Celestial Alignment - Technically speaking, Alignment always kinda sucked because it got ran over by aggro due to the deck's utter passivity until Alignment comes down. It specialized in creating massive boards in a single turn, and in some variants, it could OTK, but the OTK variants weren't as good. Plus it was a wonderful combo deck that can force-brick other Combo decks. Horrendous Growth - Too slow and it's just a beatstick. Beatsticks don't do well in Hearthstone, you typically want them to do something other than just big a big unit, like being able to attack the turn it comes out, protect you, or kill something. Icehowl - To accurately demonstrate just how terrible Icehowl is, for 1 more mana you could instead get a 1/1 rabbit with Poisonous, Rush, and the ability to damage adjacent minions (allowing it to immediately clear 3 minions). It saw fringe play. "Can't attack Heroes" is a very big deal for your big bundle of stats. Idol of Y'Shaarj - It's OK, primarily because it ONLY sees play in Big Priest decks. Most resurrect decks use targeted resurrects, so you can run support cards, and that is a major antisynergy with this card. Plus, again, a big bundle of stats isn't very good in Hearthstone, so hitting some Battlecry minions with this is pretty bad. Korrak the Bloodrager - So, very, very annoying to deal with. Lots of decks struggle to deal EXACTLY 5 damage. Plus, decks like Resurrect Priest can resummon this. Very vulnerable to the numerous transform and pseudo-Silence effects running around Standard right now though, best way for some decks to deal with Korrak is to turn him into a frog. Maiev Shadowsong - It was eclipsed by a Neutral which costed 1 less and froze a minion for a turn which released in the same set. Neat effect, but just kill the minion instead of playing a 4 mana 4/3 to deal with it later. Patches the Pirate - Even without Charge it's a staple in every aggro deck in Wild. To demonstrate that: The top Wild Priest deck runs a Pirate package SOLELY to summon Patches on 1. Trampling Rhino - Face Hunter has been using this card ever since it was printed. Rush + Breakthrough on a reasonably big minion is a devastating combo which is good in so many boardstates, especially in a deck whose sole goal is to push as much face damage as you can. Mr. Smite - Really versatile card used in a lot of decks which want a Charge guy as a finisher (as he's the only neutral Charge in Standard right now). Can be disgusting in Pirate Warrior, which can sometimes RNG this guy for free, but that deck is fading into irrelevance. Refreshing Spring Water - Mage decks for most of this card's existence only ran at most 3 minions. Paired with Incanter's Flow, this was quite often Pot of Greed. Super good cycle, if you got multiple discounts this could GAIN mana, which made it ridiculous. Kayn Sunfury - It's a niche card, primarily because ignoring Taunt isn't super useful. Plus it's competing with Illidari Inquisitor, an 8/8 with with Rush that also attacks the same enemy your Hero does without wasting its own attack, which is much better. Tanaris Hogchopper - I forgot this existed until now. Yeah, too often this was just a 4/4 do nothing, because your opponent usually had cards in their hand. Or they were a face deck, in which case this 4 mana 4/4 was not what you want to be doing right now. Y'Shaarj the Defiler - Saw play in a variety of less viable Control decks. Most prevalent play was in Ramp Druid, but it was often used for disgusting turns. Otherwise it was too slow, especially since it required running a ton of slow Corrupt cards to make it worth running.

[@henrylo3893]

Awesome descriptions.

[@Snazzysnail15]

Yshaarj was nuts in tickatus warlock

[@epthopper]

Mana biscuit was absolutely broken in wild - where Sorcerer's Apprentice was a thing until recently

[@YourPrivateNightmare]

@@Snazzysnail15 and yet Tickatus Warlock was garbage

[@Rainbow_Sheep]

@@epthopper most recent apm mage lists were cutting the card before apprentice nerf, it was good but not defining

[@VivBrodock]

Anyone who thinks Patches is terrible now doesn't play hearthstone, that card is still busted post nerf

[@jofipa9953]

I can kinda understand them as in: patches when it had charge was used in EVERY DECK cause when you drew him at worse it could ping a enemy minion or just deal 1 damage, now without charge he is only sees play in EVERY aggro deck which is still tier 0 contender imo.

[@polocatfan]

I mean admitting to playing hearthstone in 2022 is admitting to being a mysoginist sooo

[@alihorda]

@@polocatfan what

[@maxinesenior596]

@@polocatfan I mean... you can play a game that was made by a misogynist without being a misogynist. Especially if it's free to play.

[@maxinesenior596]

@@alihorda TW: sexual assault Hearthstone devs sexually harassed female staff, including one who killed themself because her boss brought sex toys to use on her during a business trip and pictures of her were shared around after she died. Not to mention, one of the people who worked there used their business email to sign in to Jeffrey Epstein's private child sex island so there's that

[@duxwontobey4887]

Refreshing spring water was (and sometimes still is) better than pot of greed, since if you discount it first, it can gain mana while giving a +1, imagine a pot of greed card that gives you an extra normal summon

[@tim..indeed]

Difference to Pot of Greed is you can't include it in every deck, only a specific archetype. Yu-Gi-Oh also has cards like that, like "Sky Striker Mobilize - Engage".

[@jamespeake2606]

I wish I was there for this stream, because most of the people in chat clearly don't know the Hearthstone meta all that well.

[@TheQ14A]

I really love this type of content, it gives perspective between games and its entretaining to watch the references, you should do more cards or other games like LOR

[@Toasty_22]

Patches is still super good even without Charge. Essentially running a 29 card deck instead of a 30 card deck is still insane.

[@forwardaerial9122]

Loving this content, would love for you to do a stream/video on Legends of Runeterra cards. I’m an experienced player and would be down to come on the video to explain stuff.

[@naqib_2365]

I really wanna see a yugioh player's reaction to stuff like Harrowing, Ephemerals in general, Rallies in general and Targon's peak. Oh and Azir's pot of greed card

[@thunderspinjitzu]

He is most definitely going to call loads of staples bad. Runeterra has a really low power budget on cards.

[@naqib_2365]

@@thunderspinjitzu He might think stuff like troll chant and sharpsight are not very good because LoR is so combat focused and yugioh is not. He might also think rummage is a staple because it draws 2. That's why I wanna see his reactions

[@byeguyssry]

@@naqib_2365 I'm a Stand Alone Fiora main (or whatever it's called, Mono Fiora, All-In Fiora, idk), and Troll Chant single-handedly made the deck a ton better while Sharpsight her to block Elusives which means it's not safe for opponent to attack even with Elusives. These cards are really good lol

[@naqib_2365]

@@byeguyssry uhh, a man of culture

[@ph1lny3]

Humongous Owl is an interesting one. It was slept on, and by all means it's a terrible card if you can't abuse synergies, but it was part of a very strong deck in Standard relatively recently, and there's a Deathrattle Rogue that was made by Dane in Wild format that uses this field spell that doubles deathrattle triggers. If you cheat it out and use Necrium Blade while the spell is active, it will deal 32 dmg from weapon break alone because the interaction is coded as the weapon deathrattle triggering twice the owl's double deathrattle, effectively quadrupling the dmg. It also has a lot of AoE packed from neutral deathrattles and looks janky, but it's pretty good if you're not playing against fast Wild OTK decks.

[@kilan4978]

That one guy in chat had no idea what he was talking about for most of the cards geez it was actually hard to watch.

[@demfrodegroot7596]

6:12 Surprised a Yugioh player thought Troggzor was good, I thought it was pretty common for Yugioh cards that have great effects to never see play because they required your opponent to do something you can't control.

[@timcal2136]

Also, considering he knows rush exists, it seemed like a no-brainer that he would think it wasnt good. I guess it just comes down to familiarity

[@РоманВорфоломеев-е7ы]

@@timcal2136 Rush wasnt a thing back then, the real issue with this card is how minion based meta was around that time and that there was a much better 7 cost board flood legendary released inn the same set

[@bb-chan2549]

Wait i just realized for some reason the roman 4 in the background is IIII instead of IV

[@Andy_ARBS]

That is an actual thing old school watches have. You're better off googling why though, I don't remember the full thing other than clockmakers being weird.

[@drunkausieproductions2190]

2:27 OWL OTK lock is hands down of the best stall breaker otk decks by playing wicked shipments, Tasmin Roame, Tamsin's Phylactery twice you can put owls deatrattle on 6 1/1 imps and kill them with school spirits dealing over 160 dmg in a single turn with 30 hp pools it will kill almost always if they can draw through deck.

[@charlesdotwin]

Ignite (9:45) was/is part of a tier 1 deck in wild (eternal format, all cards are legal). The deck uses minions that make spells in your hand cost less and another that draws a spell from your deck after you play a fire spell. It was low tier one-high tier two if you were honest, but the best deck in game if you were a cheater. It kills you with an "infinite" damage otk because you keep playing and drawing ignite, doing more and more damage. The problem is animation times limit how many times you can draw cards and cast ignite before your turn is over. Cheaters would go into there game files and modify them to skip animations and do triple or more the damage that an honest player could do in one turn. One of the decks main mana cheat cards, sorcerer's apprentice, was was recently nerfed by two mana, doubling it's cost killing the deck (thank god). There were numerous twitter threads from top ten players complaining and showing proof of losing to the same cheaters over and over again - a specific cheater, holycrab, camped rank one for a long time by cheating. Blizzard took months to address the issue, and even then many cheaters dodged the ban. The deck seemed dead, but I saw a twitter post just yesterday that people have reconfigured the deck to deal with the nerfs, and are back to cheating with it.

[@jasonjanisewski78]

Can't believe they didn't do Ziliax

[@jeezuhskriste5759]

They might’ve, they cut out a lot of content in these videos. It’s just a question of what’s more likely: did nobody put it in, or was his reaction not good enough?

[@kenenbaro20]

@@jeezuhskriste5759 nah, this is all of them. Hearthstone cards are much simpler to understand so it takes much less time to explain. There's so many cards I'd love to see him talk about too, like the Priest Questline & Mecha'thun.

[@shakeweller]

Best card ever made. People were so happy it rotated out. It's literally in every deck even if it didn't fit the theme

[@j.b.snicket1245]

Unity, precision, perfection.

[@meanberryy]

Desperate Prayer saw a lot of play in control decks, because you didn't care about the oponent's life total, while healing yourself against agroo is super important, especially when you can do it for free and not lose tempo. The fact that priest also had a legendary that delt dmg to all enemy minions equal to the amount of health gained the turn you played it, in the same meta helped the cards usefulness alot though.

[@RiverM8rix]

I would suggest HSDane as a good reference for future HS videos. His channel is all about ridiculous wild plays, but he has a pretty deep understanding of all the classes

[@ZaChousenWan]

April fool's idea: Yu-Gi-Oh player rates Yu-Gi-Oh cards.

[@ReigoVassal]

Isn't that just his usual content?

[@t3ch5upp0rt8]

The person that talked the most in chat also just didn't know what they were talking about most of the time

[@calebwirt2703]

The things about Astral Communion are two: 1. Lightning Bloom is a 0 mana spell that gives you 2 temp mana, overload 2 (meaning your next turn, you get two less mana). With that, Astral Communion can be cast turn 2, or even turn 1 if you get a Coin. 2. With the Hero card Wildheart Guff, your max mana can be set to 20. With Guff out, Astral Communion is a nigh-on necessary card to take advantage of that extra power.

[@sagacious03]

Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@friesen_m]

Can't wait to see you interpret Shadowverse cards now

[@m0002856]

Humongous Owl was an amazing card that was the staple of a tier 1 deck before the deck received several nerfs. The card itself is meh, but this deck used to be capable of easily killing you by turn 7 or 8 and had extremely insane survivability. It’s a weird first card to rate because the card itself doesn’t seem very good, but, without it, OwlTK Warlock would have never existed for the brief time it did.

[@panthermonium3845]

OwlTK still works and is still good, and was very prominent in the first week of HS Grandmasters, because it's strong in the tournament meta but the deck works on ladder still. Mana biscuit is one of the centerpieces of the mozaki OTK right now, which is a very strong deck. Desperate prayer is used for Xyrella, but also as a 1 mana spell in miracle priest, for discounting other spells with nazmani bloodweaver. Communion is a meme Troggzor was not used competitively, but Irondeep Trogg is a spell hate card that was very broken (1 mana so locks out the coin and is cheap to play so not a brick card until then) and printed right before 2021 World Champs, so if you want to see how absurd it was go watch some of those games, but even after the nerf it sees use, and Crossroads Watchpost is another spell hate card that has seen niche use in some specific experimental decks recently. Varian idk about, big warrior in wild doesn't use it so i assume it is bad Ignite had some absurd combos in wild, but in standard is just run in mozaki mage because it is a 2 mana spell that can go face. Also in quest mage and ignite mage, but both of those have faded away in standard. Alignment has seen some play in the tournament meta as part of an anti-combo lineup. Cool card but overshadowed a bit by Kazakusan. Horrendous growth has not seen play in constructed, although I would love for corrupt priest to be a thing. I have had some success with corrupt priest in Duels, but that gamemode you can run anything and if you get lucky you can win. Icehowl was maybe usable back in TGT? but still seems slow for that meta because it can only remove one thing on the turn it was played and provides no face pressure. idk i didn't play then Idol is interesting, but yeah big priest is not great atm. Korrak does not see play. It's fairly easy for most decks to remove, and does not provide much pressure if they cannot remove it easily. Overhyped one. Maiev i do not really know. I know it saw a bit of play in highlander mage in Scholomance meta which was the first where i paid attention to competitive, but not much and not in all lists. Patches is busted in wild yeah Rhino is very strong, the big threat that rounds out face hunter, which runs a card that tutors and buffs it to a 7/6. Also with Trueaim Crescent you can get it to hit a second minion on the turn it is summoned, for a lot of damage and removal. Mr Smite saw use with Edwin, Defias Kingpin in the start of Alterac Valley, but with Thief Rogue's nerfs it is no longer played there. It sees play in alignment druid as a win condition with Survival of the Fittest and Jerry Rig Carpenter, in Shadow Priest (one of the stronger aggro decks atm) as a finisher, and in quest warrior for finishing and charging pirates summoned by the Juggernaut. Spring water is a card I hate because I do not like the deckbuilding or playing process of spell only decks, or almost entirely spell decks, which this supports. It is incredibly strong in all spell based mage decks, which is all non-ping mages right now. Kayn is not used right now because taunts are not in a huge amount of decks, and in those that are, Demon Hunter aims to clear them with Expendable Performers for an OTK combo or just heal while hitting them. OR clear them with Irebound Brutes in Brute DH. Kayn, being matchup specific and not winning any matchups outright, does not fit in those decks. Tanaris Hogchopper is a card that has no upside except in situations where the opponent is playing off the topdeck and therefore is almost certainly lost anyway. Except in topdeck wars in arena, but it's still garbage in arena. Y'Shaarj sees a decent amount of play in Bolner OTK Shaman and some ramp druids still run a corrupt package, although Kazakusan has kind of taken over the ramp druid space. I guess this was a month and a half ago so before the miniset and before some of the meta shifts, but chat was still quite wrong then.

[@eltoussaint]

I enjoy this a lot, and this isn't to diss you because I also suck at pronouncing things, but I find it hilarious that a Yu-Gi-Oh player, a game which has some of the most convoluted card names I've ever read, struggled to say things like Communion xD

[@pwesiti]

I’ve been waiting for a video like this forever.

[@drunkausieproductions2190]

22:21 In Ashes of Outlands the set Kayne came out Aggro Demon Hunter at one point was 60% of the standard ladder this card broke hearthstone for months.

[@TouruZen]

The reason they make charage a hard mechanic to obtain was in the early years when they printed charge on a lot of things for free it was really problematic. Aggro decks would run a bunch of cheap charge minions and it weighed the game very very heavily in aggro decks favour.

[@dark_rit]

Yeah when charge minions were everywhere it was just aggro going face all the time unless you had a taunt minion up and then you dying to hunter hero power. It was so obnoxious. Of course now they always seem to think oh let's play around with mana reduction again and enable some gross OTK that you can't interact with from the opposing side usually.

[@drago939393]

SMOrc me no see problem with that SMOrc

[@m0002856]

On the topic of Troggzor: You did the same thing that everybody did when this set was being announced. This card was only trash due to the context of the game. This card was released in Goblins vs. Gnomes alongside Dr. Boom himself: a card so powerful that he was given the name “Doctor Seven” since he ALSO cost 7 mana. Troggzor most likely wouldn’t have been considered so bad if Dr. Boom wasn’t the same mana cost as him with an effect that was good enough to turn him into a staple legendary on par with Ragnaros and Sylvanas. He was so good, basically every single deck ran him including face decks at the time.

[@redwings13400]

I dunno, I think Trogzor has some conceptual problems that would make it bad unless the meta was incredibly slow and spell heavy. 7 mana cards are hard to play since they take up the majority of your turn, even in the late game, so they need some really strong upsides to make work. Trogzor is a 7 mana 6/6, which means unless you're ahead on the board already, your opponent can just trade with it and kill it, getting further ahead in the process. If it procs its a fine card, but even spell mage can kill it off with a fireball, so there are very few situations where its amazing. Its terrible vs aggro or minion heavy decks, the only time it can get value is against control, spell heavy decks, and even then those decks usually have the tools to deal with it. Basically, it has low stats and an inconsistent effect which your opponent has to activate in order to get it to pull its weight. If everything lines up perfectly, it can snowball in your favor, but most of the time its just going to be a subpar minion that your opponent can pretty safely ignore or kill off without much trouble.

[@jacksonmagas9698]

@@redwings13400 It was hyped because miracle rouge was one of the best decks in the meta before GvG, and trogzor is good against miracle rogue since it plays so many low impact spells, but miracle rogue got pushed out of the top dog spot when GvG relased, so there was no reason to run trogzor. That said, running a 7 mana card for 1 specific matchup is a tough sell even if that deck is #1.

[@dark_rit]

About the only good thing about Troggzor in the context of the meta it dodged big game hunter, which was played in almost every deck be it face or control as a 3 mana way to blow up a 7 power minion (usually Dr. Boom.) It could in theory be some good anti spell tool, but it was too slow to accomplish that as when control decks get to 7 mana and beyond they would very likely have tools to answer it and if they did you usually spent your whole turn on a haymaker that did almost nothing.

[@algum504]

I think HS cards need context Owl: otk warlock (discounts stuff with weapon) Biscuit: mage has discounts for hand and deck, and banking mana for future can have wery benefitial effect Prayer: otk priest, also they have board aoe card that scales with healing, and max hp is 40 + armor (deathrattle quest) Communion: big druid from past (lots of big minions, draw and ramp), overshadowed with alignment for otk Emryss, trog, varian: dont see them anymore (facehunters and pirate warriors) Ignite: otk mage with minion that tutors fire spells when u cast fire spell and have 2 discount minions (they even baned it in duels) Growth: never seen it even when corrupt came out (i dont play arena) Icehowl: only seen it as random summons Idol: dont realy see it Korrak: i think i saw it once in hunter Maiev: used to see it, not anymore Patches: in every pirate deck (mainly quest pirate warrior) Rhino: beast hunter, i dont really see them (only quest) Smite: every pirate deck (patches is long out by the time this drops on board so still no charge unless quest summons it) Spring: every spell mage Kayn: used to see it, not anymore Tanaris: never see it Defiler: used to see it in wl, druid, not anymore (dont forget, it might be 10 mana but u get bunch of 0 mana taunts and other stuff). Also saw one otk shaman running it (minion that repeats first battlecry, defiler then go to town with corrupted spells and medics)

[@RaiXYT]

I wanna see a part 2 of this, reacting to more of Hearthstone cards XD

[@nuhazet9910]

Why the clock in the background have a 4 like this IIII and not like this IV?

[@Gabu_]

Both are accepted forms of the Roman 4. IIII was more common around the 13th to 15th centuries.

[@smonkk8556]

wish i couldve caught this stream live 😔😔 itd be interesting if you could find someone whos a current high level / at least kind of active player to riff with, like the MTG and vanguard vids, some of chat's takes are a little silly (idol of y'shaarj is bad and patches is still amazing, pirate warrior is tier 1 in wild and patches isn't a garnet there since he progresses your quest)

[@WavemasterAshi]

Yeah...you were cheating out Humongous Owl with Runed Mithril Rod. And proccing it repeatedly was done with Tamsin's Phylactery. How the OTK works. You get the Owl on to the board (preferably cheating it out with Runed Mithril Rod) and then you kill it the same turn with Grimoire of Sacrifice). On ANOTHER turn, you flood the board with a card called Wicked Shipment, use Tamsin's Phylactery to give all your minions in play a Deathrattle from a friendly minion who died that game (technically you choose among 3, but you probably only have this and a single other Deathrattle in your entire deck), then School Spirits nukes your board and sends out 8 damage 7 times. For added injury, if you use Tamsin Roame the turn of your OTK, you can get another copy of the Phylactery and play it for free, so you can trigger the Deathrattle 14 times.

[@kenenbaro20]

Potential for a 112 damage OTK made the card tier 1, then they had to nerf the Runed Mithril Rod a second time.

[@WavemasterAshi]

@@kenenbaro20 In fairness, they probably would have done that anyways.

[@panthermonium3845]

and owlTK is still good. especially in tournament meta.

[@SnorlaxChilling]

i recall there was a time when drawing Patches in your opening hand was so bad, it could literally throw the game for you

[@caoz9375]

Would be interesting to see you do this with Legends of Runeterra cards.

[@jayguerber7879]

I would have loved to see Duel Log’s reaction to The Demon Seed. I still hate that card and I haven’t played for months.

[@kenenbaro20]

I also hate that card, if I didn't play Wild (where it's banned) I'd just stop playing entirely.

[@Toasty_22]

The card is still broken as hell, but it's more beatable now that it has to deal 8 damage each step.

[@jayguerber7879]

@@Toasty_22 oh yea it got nerfed lmao

[@Deus-Eros]

In wild was very common to see springwater costing zero in OTK decks Yep, 0 mana, draw 2 cards gain 4 mana because the deck was 90% spells

[@brothatsucks]

i mean not anymore since they killed the main card of the deck

[@b8r]

idk about it being reduced to 0 mana but it was just a better pot of greed lmao

[@Rainbow_Sheep]

Appreciate nerf killed that deck

[@MomirViggwilv]

The clocks in the background have IIII instead of IV for 4, and now I can't unsee it.

[@drunkausieproductions2190]

23:19 Y'Shaarj has 2 great decks the old corrupt control Tickatus warlock which burned (in some cases) 20+ cards from your opponents deck, completely neutered control dittos and sta on aggro with ease. There is also an otk combo in Shaman if you corrupt a dunk tank and circus medic, play Bolner Hammerbeak, Lightning Bloom, and finally Y'shaarj you will get dunk tanks and circus medics to your hand infinitely by using the circus medics to kill other medics you get infinite dunk tanks to hit the opponents face, a very important card!

[@Gabu_]

Blizzard doesn't embrace the Charge keyword because it made the game last 4 turns.

[@Nanachiiky]

now it only lasts 5!

[@chandlermiller3944]

Hearthstone is weird that no card stands out on its own. Every card that is broken is only broken because of the support surrounding it. Example being humungeous Owl. That card on its own is dumpster tier trash would never see the light of day. BUT when you give it combo potential AND give warlock insane healing then card the becomes a keystone. Owl is a terrible card outside of its combo and the combo only works because warlock has more healing, draw and discount potential than ever before.

[@m0002856]

Yeah that’s why I think this like.. guessing how good a Hearthstone card is game doesn’t work as well as the others. The archetypes aren’t very well defined. It’s why Trump changed his entire rating system from “good card” and “bad card” to “good if this thing is viable” You really can’t tell what’s good anymore until somebody builds a deck and sees if it works or not.

[@Y0G0FU]

No card stands out on its own? Dr. Boom, Loatheb, Sylvannas, Ragnaros dont stand out on their own? :P i agree that newer cards are unable to really stand out on its own but the older cards do stand out alot.

[@superwatcher456]

@@Y0G0FU zilliax too

[@shakeweller]

The reason charge is not used anymore is because it's actually the most toxic skill draught mechanic ever. There's no way to play around it, there's no set up required and it enables stupid Combos. I quit HS 1 year ago when they released DH as a class because they just refused to hall of fame leeroy. But before charge was also very annoying. Rush is just better design because it's not free face damage

[@amberlee4536]

Mana Biscuit is the kind of card that has utility in a lot of Mage decks but will probably never win you the game. Ignite, however, can almost always be infinitely played unless someone has a way to burn your deck and get it out of there, which is a thing a few decks can do currently, mainly Warlock (Tickatus, the unexpected Quest counter)

[@panthermonium3845]

Mana biscuit however is a staple of every single combo mage right now. It is a far stronger card in the most common standard mage deck (mozaki OTK) than ignite is, although the deck still runs 2x ignite.

[@ignacioperez5479]

owl is part of one of the most consistent otk in the deck. celestial alignment is actually nerfed. ignite is the ultimate anti control spell growth is too slow

[@maltenuchter7134]

God that one guy was just talking stupid shit the whole time. Saying patches is bad after nerf or saying ignite being the best spell in the game. It's not even the best mage spell in standard. It only ever saw play because mage had the ability yo reduce ignite to 0 but that is not ignite being strong, that's just thr power of mana cheats like Sorc apprentice.

[@drunkausieproductions2190]

18:57 The only Hunter deck that does not run this card is quest hunter and that is because they refresh their hero power when they play spells. The omni presence of this card can not be over stated, Played win rate on 5 of the card is 65% meaning if you play rhino on 5 you have a 65% chance of winning the game.

[@masterplusmargarita]

Just for fun, I want to review each card by myself. I've played Hearthstone and been pretty high up the ladder ever since closed beta - I've almost not played for the last two expansions because the meta's been awful, but I'm pretty knowledgeable of every other point in the meta. Humongous Owl hails from one of the two expansions I've not played for, but I know the OTK it enables was a pretty big deal for at least the week of that expansion's launch. Those decks tend to lose steam as the meta solidifies, though, and Humongous Owl by itself is awful - it's a combo piece that enables one specific other card. Conjure Mana Biscuit has been a solid choice for Mage since it's been out. Other than specific combo decks it's not been a must-run but it still makes sense in tonnes of Mage decks because they tend to reduce the mana cost of their spells (thus making it pure mana gain), and often care about using spells to proc other cards. Desperate Prayer sees play, but exactly for its combo with Xyrella, which reads "Battlecry: Deal damage to all enemy minions equal to Health you've restored this turn". Otherwise it is awful. Astral Communion was a massive meme. I tried to get it to work in every expansion it was legal in and never did. Troggzor was super hyped and then was mediocre. He wasn't bad - which is the narrative these days - but he wasn't good enough to warrant running. I played with him out of curiosity and he was OK. Varian Wrynn is a card I think I've never seen be played except for the one time I got him in an Arena (Draft) run. Dunno what chat's on. Ignite's power level is greatly exaggerated because it feels awful to play against. It's good enough to run, it's not insanely powerful, but it can get you into positions where the opponent can do nothing to you, and that sucks. Celestial Alignment is... weird. It can work, but it doesn't do it consistently enough to see play. Extreme highroll deck, if the stars align you basically can't lose, otherwise you just lose. Horrendous Growth is GOATed in Arena, I don't think I've ever seen one played in Constructed that wasn't randomly generated. You need your cards to do things other than just be big dudes nowadays, and if they're big dudes they need to come out faster than Growth can. Icehowl is awful. Killing one guy by spending that much mana late in the game just doesn't do enough, and the fact that it can't provide pressure means it can only be used as a way too slow defensive tool. Idol of Y'Shaarj is one of the best cards in a bad deck. Big Priest just hasn't worked since this card was introduced - the meta has consistently been way too fast - but Idol is one of the cards that makes you want to play it. Korrak the Bloorager I don't know because he's from the last expansion, which I have barely played. He seemed good in the first week or so when I was trying it out, but the meta was still forming. Maiev Shadowsong was an overhyped Legendary. She's fine, but not good enough to play on purpose. The tempo swing is decent, but you sort of lose it by playing an understated minion, and there's so many better fast answers that deal with the threat rather than putting it off. Patches the Pirate is among the most overpowered cards ever printed. Deck thining, card draw and board presence all in one tiny card. Trampling Rhino is just solid. Hunter always likes hitting enemies in the face, and it helps control the board in the process. It's super good when absorbing hand buffs, and really punishes small minions which are super common. Why choose between trading and going face if you can just do both? Mr. Smite I've not played around with much to know - he's pretty knew. He looks insane to me but apparently hasn't seen crazy amounts of play which I simply can't wrap my head around. Refreshing Spring Water is one of the cards that's currently keeping me from playing the game. Insanely stupid. Mage loves running all-spell decks, reducing the cost of their spells and two reductions (which isn't hard to achieve) makes it negative mana to draw cards. I hate this card with a passion. Kayn Sunfury is strong, but the game is currently not board-centric so his effect isn't worth playing him for. He was really good last rotation cycle though since he disables your opponent's ability to prevent you from hitting them - he got nerfed and still saw decent play. Tanaris Hogchopper is a vanilla 4 mana 4/4 in a game where a 4 mana 4/5 exists and hasn't seen play since Vanilla. Y'Shaarj is good. Some decks are interested in running lots of Corrupt cards naturally and he just makes sense at that point. Has fallen off in the last year because most Corrupt cards focus on board and the game has moved further and further away from board control, but I do think in a board-centric meta he'd pop back up.

[@angelandreehernandezbojali8492]

Do you play standard? I almost exclusively play Wild and the most powerful mage deck is is still secret mage. These mana refreshing cards see almost no play since mana discounting effects like Sorceress' Aprentice and Mass Incantation got nerfed to 4 mana each lmao. I have a decent collection of card so I prefer Wild. My favorite decks right now are Malygos Druid and Pillage Rogue. Pillage Rogue is somewhat inexpensive but Malygos Druid has like 6 legendaries and 8 epics lmao

[@panthermonium3845]

@@angelandreehernandezbojali8492 secret mage the most powerful in wild? not ignite or mozaki?

[@angelandreehernandezbojali8492]

@@panthermonium3845 I didn't encounter any of them as I was climbing Diamond 5 to Legend. So maybe I'm wrong.

[@mezmerism107]

The things about Humongous Owl is it quite good in Arena tho.

[@Illidandavid]

Patches is just the superior version of Upstart Goblin. No downside, allows you to play a smaller deck for free - granted you run some form of mini pirate engine.

[@benchappelow473]

Theres a card called Xyrella in priest where it deals damage based on how much health was healed in your turn, desperate prayer possible healing 10 health means you pay 4 mana for a 4/4 that deals 10 dmg to all enemy minions

[@dewwwd3431]

The problem with growth in constructed is there is so much removal that it’s just not that good in 90% of situations however in arena it’s awesome

[@TheNikInfinity]

TFW Ungoro was 5 years ago. Well i played really active the last time when we had TgT...

[@empressqiyanaa6196]

Your chat is trolling, maiev was broken

[@ReigoVassal]

Love this content. Will you also do runeterra?

[@TheKastellan]

Someone already posted stuff like this but going to post my opinion anyway. Would like to point out hearthstone is interesting since it's online only so buffs and nerfs happen and cards fall in and out of favor and wild vs standard vs arena are very different. Owl: Good in Arena, good in OTK, but otk is not very good now so overall card is decent at best. Biscuit: A combo card, mage has (less now) a lot of mana cheat so this could easily gain many instead of being neutral, regardless 0 cost spells are always good if the cards that use them are in use (There is a card that draws for every spell, for mage there is mozaki which gains spell damage +1 every spell etc). Currently wouldn't say that is the case so it is meh. Prayer: As a healing spell, the opponent heal doesn't matter if you are control, wasn't your win con anyway. But as a control card itself it is meh. Its use as a damage spell is also meh, better ways of doing that. It's best use is as a 0 cost spell for combo thanks to the card that draws every spell and priest also has a card that reduces a card in hand by 1 mana for every spell. So you can go crazy. That style of deck for priest is meh right now I think so card itself is meh. Communion: Meme card obviously. Also like someone in chat said Celestial Alignment is just better. Emeriss: Stats don't matter at 10 mana lol ,especially for Hunter. Troggzor: Slow. Varian Wrynn: Only saw play in control warrior for a time. Even then I don't even think it was that good. It worked later in recruit decks which basically filled their deck with big minions and ways to "recruit" them out (recruit just summons from deck) Ignite: Who thought giving mage a card that infinitely repeats itself whilst it being the class with mana cheat and the ability to draw infinitely was a good idea? Past that, the fact the ignites don't count as starting in deck synergies-es so well. Alignment: Druid is the ramp (gains mana early) class. They can play this easily. Card basically means you must play 1 card, then 2 cards, then 3 cards. But since druids can just run mana cheat they don't need to follow that rule and just throw everything out. not sure if it is too good now, haven't played since...last expansion. Growth: Just bad. Even in arena where stats matter. IceHowl: Just a bad card. There are 2 comparisons. A hunter legendary card that is 8/8 beast with charge. Which is just better since the +1/+1 isn't worth the downside. And an epic card with 7/7 (i forgot?) beast with charge, BATTLECRY: cannot attack hero this turn. This epic card is neutral and just is strictly better because beasts are way easier to cheat out and if you can skip the battlecry it can attack directly anyway. Idol: Fucking Big Priest. I love it but hate it. Priest can get away filling their deck with highly powerful effect minions with beefy stats. Which can then just wall your opponent and return the damage. Idol just helps with that by letting you pick one of those minions and summon a copy (you get to keep resources) whilst giving it stats even higher than it might normally be. Also control might want to play it. Depends if priest isn't dead on turn 4 if this is good. Korrak: I don't know lol so I am in duellogs position for this. Seems like a pretty good card, not broken but good value. Maiev: This one is sad, its cool but sucks unless you need it for a combo. Patches: wtf chat? Patches is great. Even after charge was lost just getting a body from deck directly to field is amazing for any aggro deck that can play it. Not broken but definitely great when you can play it. (Refer to my point about how cards fall in or out of favor) Rhino: Yeah if you can get rid of a card that is blocking your damage whilst simultaneously giving extra damage. That is pretty good. Face Hunter is so belligerent it only wants to push damage and doesn't care about anything else and a card that is simultaneously removal and damage is great. Mr Smite: once again in duel logs position, i dont know this card. But immediately...wtf, it is 6 mana but charge? and for pirates? WHY THE FUCK IS IT A PIRATE ITSELF LOL. But seriously probably not overly broken since on 6 mana in aggro you should of killed your opponent anyway and I don't see how you meaningfully cheat this out. Refreshing spring water: Mage has mana cheat, this just gives you mana when it is reduced. Fuck this card. Was nerfed though so I guess it isn't broken now. Kayn: eh, not that useful, silence or literally maeiv work fine or better. Tanaris: I don't even remember this lol. Bad. Y'shaarj: Great in control decks if they can play it, not necessarily the best card but definitely good if conditions are right. God I miss tip the scales paladin though, I loved that deck.

[@defn0tjake]

you can just taste the salt coming from the guy who called face hunter tier 0 lol Also owl otk warlock is a tier 1 deck (only 3 others currently in that tier) in wild format

[@gemstonegynoid7475]

I only know MTG, so hearing hearthstone analyzed by yugioh lenses is a wonderful experience

[@NerdishGeekish]

I like this series of you reviewing the cards of card games that you haven't played yet. Since you've started getting into card video games, any chance you'll do an entry on Legends of Runeterra soon?

[@THEDEY2]

Note for the future. Videos get delete in Twitch... which means, this stream is lost :(

[@Yacovo]

Thanks for the video.

[@gorg9928]

Kayn Sunfury is a very good finisher move For control decks. In a Aggro deck this is the final blow.

[@dakodastevens8972]

The Owltk deck was legit. Arguably the best deck for a while, had a horrible win rate sup top 1k legend or so, but it was probably the best version of combo warlock before it got nerfed (It was nerfed super early after the set that had owl in it was released because questlock was problematic in the standard meta before the set came out and they nerfed the combolock shell super hard shortly after owl came out).

[@chrisr4023]

20 seconds and i heard Lillian Voss. Truly our Hiru

[@erikaz1590]

As a person who stopped playing constructed and pretty much only plays battlegrounds and solo levels, it is really hard to keep up with all the deck jargon now.

[@prysthaea7735]

It's funny sometimes the wrong impressions you can get from a game when you only play it for a short time. Psychic Scream is a really good card which was played a ton (still is sometimes in wild), but it's also one of the only halfway decent shuffle based removal effects in the game. I wouldn't even really say "Korrak is weak to shuffle based removal", it's more just "Psychic Scream bypasses deathrattles".

[@shogun88oni]

I feel like Hearstone drive on multiplication and Yu Gi Oh drive on single power card.

[@syrelian]

YGO tends to rely on synergy to build up, gathering extra bodies and converting them into three or four of The Power Cards, with maybe some allies for protection effects, where HS seems to go for a wide gameplan because there's significantly few (good) boss monsters to just beeline into and the mana system means many games are at least a Little grindy

[@kikyo3240]

In love with new dragons in Onyxia's lair

[@partypants5629]

The evolution of Hearthstone is always a fun topic. Because who expected anything like Clown Druid or Owl Warlock to just exist?

[@Satherian]

Huh, something I never thought about: With Wildheart Guff, Druid can increase their max mana to 20. However, I bet you that if they play Astral Communion, they don't *gain* 10 mana crystals, but instead have their mana *set* to 10. Which is disappointing cause that could be a fun combo

[@aryasykk]

actually no it does not set it gains

[@FabbrizioPlays]

Man, we have very similar histories with this game it looks like. Last time I played was whispers of the old gods. Rolled a jade druid deck and just generally spent my days annoying the shit out of people. Good times.

[@butter5842]

lol honestly conjure mana biscuit used to be 0 mana, gain 2 mana, draw 2-4 cards, and deal 4-8 damage to your opponent with the way it was played on turns 3-5 edit: in combinations with other cards it allowed me to deck myself out and kill my opponent (60+ damage) on turn 4 at one point

[@s0vietb3atle]

If you do another one you should review dirty rat, coldlight oracle, vanish, Uther of the ebon blade, raid the docks, primordial studies, aviana, and bladestorm

[@drunkausieproductions2190]

2:59 technically a teir 1 card as it is a necessary piece of Mozaki mage the best and most efficient otk is standard as Mozaki gains spell damage every time you play a spell this just makes it so Mozaki mages can ramp their spell damage so their otks work. However to my knowledge is only run in Mozaki mage.

[@drunkausieproductions2190]

20:24 Mr.Smite is one of the only reasons pirate quest warrior can close games. single handedly made pirate warrior one of the best decks people didn't play any type of warrior but quest warrior for months after he was printed we are JUST this month starting to get control warrior decks, back smite is absurd. But just in case you thought this was a warrior card he is also run in Rouge and DH for closing as Charge was gutted and this to my knowledge is the only neutral charge minion in standard.

[@Versakken]

The video just suddenly ends lol, i am so used to youtubers saying "thanks for watching until the end" or thanking all patreons, or even saying goodbye... No just that's all of them

[@drunkausieproductions2190]

9:01 Ignite is hands down the best mage card in the game mage can reliably draw through an entire 30 card deck by turn 6 or 7 playing ignite 4 or 5 times in the process. An irreplaceable tool in Mozaki, Spell, Quest, Tempo, and Mask mage can thrown in any mage deck without thinking.

[@Cuestrupaster]

Just read the comments, a lot of people saying patches is busted and doesn't realize it's mostly because it allows you to make a 29 Card deck... but yeah all the other things do help.

[@VirtuesOfSin]

Conjure Mana Biscuit becomes a lot better after a Sorcerer's Flow (reduces the cost of all cards in your deck by 1)

[@konstantinkleim9270]

General rule in Hearthstone: Manacheat is a big problem. Almost every card, that reduces your manacosts is a problem. f.e. you run a OTK mage and you destroy your opponnent on turn 5 with 0 mana left, because you reduced the costs of cards some turns before

[@panthermonium3845]

Mozaki mage tends to kill on T7-9 if Mozaki has been drawn, though often T10 if incanter's flow hasn't been drawn. With 2 incanters flow and mozaki it is usually T6, but getting all of those in the top 12 cards is ~10%, top 15 is ~15%, and top 10 is ~5%, so it's not too common that it combos before T7.

[@konstantinkleim9270]

@@panthermonium3845 I also told about wild. With Drek'Thar, unnerfed apprentices and flamewaker you was able to kill your opponent on T4.

[@kevinking795]

“Patches is just okay “ 😂😂😂

[@Ollowayn]

Would be cool to get a Hearthstone content creator/veteran for these kind of videos. Chat was really off with a lot of picks this time.

[@tcoren1]

Was this streamed on youtube? I can't find it on the VOD playlist on youtube OR the past broadcasts on twitch

[@nanodose]

"You can only have 10 mana" oh how I wish that was true.

[@PitLetsPlays]

I dunno if this is a good place to leave some recommendations, but I would be very happy if you looked into "Infinity Wars: Animated Card Game". It was a steam CG with a unique simul turns concept

[@hrs29]

Humongous Owl is normally bad because of cost and slowness, but there are ways to cheat out its deathrattle multiple times Conjure Mana Biscuit is good if you anticipate needing the extra two mana on a later turn and can afford to spend two mana doing nothing this turn. If you are playing from behind and need to catch up I usually see it as a dead card. The Mana reduction card mentioned by you chat has proven to be so good that it has been nerfed twice so it now costs 4 mana to play. Desperate prayer used to be a decent card. When it first came out it was able to combo with other priest cards to no only heal your hero but get other advantages. However as new cards came and old cards rotated it became a bad card that doesn't advance your game. Ignite is one of the best cards. Infinite deck that gets more damage. Combined with any draw engines and spell damage increase and it is a nightmare. Celestial Alignmet can be good if you are prepared to start ramping next turn because after you play this 7 mana card you will have 0 mana and every card in your hand will cost 1, while your opponent will get a chance to play one of their discounted cards in hand first, and if they have something big the play could backfire on you. Horrendous Growth was OK. Was a dead card in hand for a while and when summoned it is just a body. If your opponent didn't have an easy way to remove big bodies it was pretty useful. Trampling Rhino is good because hunter has several ways to buff it in deck and revive it.

[@drunkausieproductions2190]

21:15 Spring Water has been nerfed alot but this card used to be 0 mana draw 2 if you drew spells made quest mage almost unbeatable except in mirror. Currently insane in Mozaki mage and Quest mage is far from unviable.

[@Boyzby]

If you played Hearthstone in the same time I did, it's pretty easy to understand why they hate charge. There's a reason, at least when I played, "fun and interactive" was a joke phrase for decks, because they were anything but and it felt awful. It's not like Yu-Gi-Oh where you can stop stuff with handtraps and using quick effects, from what I can tell, because there's no interaction on opponent's turns.

[@syrelian]

As far as I know, the only enemy turn interactions Deathrattle and similar, passives, and Secrets and lul running Secrets, and we think most Traps are bad

[@djelibaebi]

maeiv was fine/good when i played with her - like she wasnt a staple but if a deck needed her like rogue or demon hunter it was a good slot in. Didnt really work with classes that had access to easy hard removal tho.

[@Emperorhirohito19272]

It really wasn’t

[@vladlight6153]

I played a troggzor deck with counterspells and spellbinders ... you easily summon a board of troggs and your opponent can't do anything. Good days when you could brew decks

[@thanotosomega]

"Sees a low cost infinitely reusable mage spell and doesn't get why it's good", yeah i haven't played hearthstone in a long time but as a mage main i know low cost damage dealing spells are always decent at least, let alone ones that can just scale up over and over and be reused endlessly,

[@StripesZB]

Icehowl is actually worst than a Rush card because it can never attack heroes. Burly Shovelfist has slightly lower stats but it least it can go face next turn, and that's a common card.

[@quocthongnguyen5977]

Patches basically garnet, strong card you never want in your hand

[@Timcool306]

Here is how Hearthstone players would rate these cards: Tier 0: Ignite, Patches, Trampling Rhino (not sure, but this card has been in every hunter deck) Tier 1: Mr. Smite, Kayn Sunfury, Y'Shaarj, Refreshing Spring water, Mana Biscuit Tier 2: Humongous Owl, Desperate Prayer, Celestial Alignment, Idol of Y'Shaarj Tier 3: Troggzor, Horrendous Growth, Maiev, Korrak Tier MEME: Astral Communion, Emeriss, Variann Wrynn Not even good in Arena: Ice Howl, Tanaris

[@alexstewart9592]

Roffle would disagree on Varian. He would put it up at least one tier because of the animation and music.

[@ChibiRuah]

I wish chat was a little bit better letting you form your own ideas till you ask for the "answer". I do like it a bit more when you have an current player helping you out to know if i card is good or not. That said overall you seem to have a good grip on card games (I mean you do know yugioh very well but its good to see it bleed over to other games too)

[@IC-23]

I feel a real interesting game to do this for would be TESL as while similar to hearthstone the difference in card philosphy/runes/lanes makes cards that would seem OP useless and cards that would seem bad amazing. If any I'd like to ask Hearthstone players how good would this card be: _6 Cost 3/3 you can summon minions from your graveyard with less power than this card_

[@angelandreehernandezbojali8492]

A card like this couldn't exist in HS. It would have to be: "6 mana, 3/3. Summon all friendly minions that died this game that had less original attack than this minion." Something like that. HS doesn't have a graveyard; the effect would probably be malleable because there are cards that can change the atack and health of minions in your hand. But it probably wouldn't be very good, resurrect mechanics are already hard to play because of how slow they are. To add restrictions based on attack would make this card essentially unplayable. If it was a neutral card it would probably see some niche play in Murloc Shaman, which are small, highly synergystic minions. But if it was a priest card, as most cards with resurrect effects are, it would be absolute garbage. EDIT: It would also (as a neutral card) see play, most effectively, in Pirate Warrior and maybe Deathrattle Rogue or Priest. But it would be a "Hail Mary" card. Which are not commonly used in HS, people tend to play win-more cards, insane board control AOE's or OTK's. And most games don't make it to turn 8

[@IC-23]

​@@angelandreehernandezbojali8492 This highlights how different TESL and Hearthstone are from one another. The card I just mentioned is Odirniran Necromancer with that exact effect in TESL it's an absolute staple for any control deck or deck that uses his color and wants to go on a bit longer. This can be attributed to TESL having lots of good 1-2 atk creatures but an important one is "Battle Cries" or "Summon" in TESL's case trigger no matter how a creature is summoned on the board, combine that with there being less removal in TESL and how Rune system(draw a card the first time you reach 25, 20,15, 10, 5 HP) and having 30HP with no health cap just makes TESL a good ~4 turns slower than Hearthstone across the board and one of the only CCGs where life gain is very powerful.

[@angelandreehernandezbojali8492]

@@IC-23 What is TESL?

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@@angelandreehernandezbojali8492 The Elder Scrolls Legends, another card game currently abandoned by the devs. At least the servers are still up and running.

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