Pro Magic Player Tries to Guess How Good Hearthstone Cards Are w/

[@Rarran]

Hope you enjoyed the video! We will be doing the reverse soon (where I guess magic cards), make sure to subscribe if you wanna see that!

[@adamn7777]

As a former magic and current hearthstone player I'd love to see that video

[@Wyti]

I enjoy these but you post too many good cards. Post some more good looking bad cards will you?

[@Bartleby1892]

I think you have a good chance. It's surely more difficult to rate mtg cards as a hearthstone player than the other way around, but the pushed cards in MTG are pretty hard to underrate. As long as he doesn't hit you with confusing mechanics you will be fine. No spoilers, but just as a hint, if Dragonqueen Alexstrasza was a magic card it would cost like 6 mana and would basicly only see play if you could cheat it onto the battlefield.

[@Wyti]

@@Bartleby1892 Adding more, damage isnt permanent on magic and you choose how to block, so a 2 mana 2/2 buff is actually p decent in casual games, whereas in hearthstone its nothing. And dont forget the amount of colored mana, that is very much important.

[@ich3730]

@@Bartleby1892 what? A 6 mana dragon that draws you 2 random dragons from standard that can be played for free would be BUSTED.

[@sillykyle17]

The fact that he's able to evaluate these so accurately without knowing the context of the metas they're in is insane

[@DoABarrelRol1l]

I haven't played much HS outside of the occasional battleground game in or watching one of Chump's videos for the past few years but was fairly into it for a good while. I was playing along at home and I'd say he did a better job than I did by quite a bit I got many of these wrong despite playing through some metas. Though I guess I only play Druid, Priest, and whatever Zayle/Whizzbang gave me so my knowledge of 'the meta' is limited to 'what cards are cool to play'. PVDDR killed it!

[@pietrociompi5883]

We are still talking about one of the best player ever of arguably yhe most broad and complex card game existing.

[@ShadowfireOmega]

Yep, MTG is the grandfather of all TCGs. Most if not all of the functions on cards of other games have something identical or similar in MTG, and this guy is one of the best at MTG. I would like to see someone a bit less knowledgeable try this, as I love these cross-game evaluations, because this seems a bit like cheating xD

[@mr.joesterr5359]

Well thats pro magic players for you. And even by pro magic player standards paulo is just on another level. And hearthstone is a much much simpler game so it makes sense paulo can intuitively figure it out.

[@benallmon5613]

Hearthstone is also one of the least complex card games out there. Especially compared to Magic.

[@imGrisky]

PV on the show is a instant like from me. This guys analytical skills are spot on. I have not seen any content creators evaluate cards this well even when they are deep in the meta.

[@minecraft991115]

Take a quick look at the magic card library and u will understand

[@robbylava]

Holy hell you got PVDDR?! Man's a magic legend, I cannot wait to see this

[@jasperbaas450]

He didn't make many mistakes either rating the cards!

[@andreicmello]

Yes!! I hope everyone watching this can appreciate he is talking to a legend of the game

[@wurdofwizdumb1928]

PV is mtg legend. He is truly so unbelievably smart it’s disgusting.

[@paulm2163]

Easily on the short list conversation for "Greatest of all time". There's maybe 2 or 3 other people off the top of my head even close to making the list.

[@wurdofwizdumb1928]

@@paulm2163 Kai, Finkel, LSV are all good. PV is best of all time though in my books for many reasons. He has been so good for such a long duration of time his achievements are way more valuable.

[@NailGunZero]

The analytical mind of a Magic the Gathering pro player. A sight to behold.

[@Sol0666]

I actually expected him to flip out more on that rogue card. I havent played HS since forever and that card seems absolutly broken to me. Basically a almost free draw 4, that card would be on par with the strongest magic cards ever printed I think.

[@ccggenius]

Not even necessary for it to be a pro; MTG is one of the few games with a prominent limited format, players are used to analyzing cards in a vacuum. Of course, it also helps that Hearthstone has a similar game flow. If he were looking at cards from Weiss Schwarz or UniVersus, there's every possibility the lack of a baseline comparison would catch up with him. I mean, look at the Pokemon guessers, where people think the "draw 3" supports are good because they have no frame of reference.

[@spencerstanley4759]

@@ccggenius I played pokemon TCG a couple times, saw "Wheel of Fortune" and "Ancestral Recall" being printed as commons in every single deck and it blew me away.

[@ccggenius]

@@spencerstanley4759 Yeah, it's wild. Recall is terrible, and Wheel isn't an auto-four of... mostly because you COULD be running a Time Twister that puts you up a card on your opponent, or timetwister for 8 in that slot. I'm not even sure what you'd directly equivocate Boss to... maybe Cryptic command?

[@Hawk_of_Battle]

@@Sol0666 The first thing I thought of was something like Memory Jar, but this seems way better.

[@masterplusmargarita]

As someone who was around during League of Explorers' launch window, PVDDR's assessment of Brann is pretty much spot on with what a lot of people were thinking about it before launch. There were certainly a lot of people who got the card's value right, but there was also a lot of skepticism around it.

[@eddyhypnotizer2481]

In the end, everyone liked Brann + Healbot

[@LordSathar]

I loved Brann but i never got him to pop off in any satisfying way, cept in shudderwock.

[@quentind1924]

When you show nerfed cards, i think its better to show the first version instead (like secret passage here)

[@Rarran]

hey Quentin, this is a fair comment, I do think for a card like secret passage and skull of guldan, both of the nerf versions were still very good, so the difference in analysis from him would probs be the same

[@oscarvini]

he did't with alexstrasza

[@G.Aaron.Fisher]

@@oscarvini He showed the current version of Alexstrasza. It was unnerfed when it rotated out of Standard.

[@CreeCore94]

Why? Why are you so annoying?

[@henryzelman4541]

I can guarantee pvddr would’ve said secret passage is an abomination of card design and extremely broken. Contract from below is easily the strongest mtg card ever printed and this is basically that.

[@abecascade]

Played LoL with PV almost everyday back in 2011 and I would say he's an extremely analytical guy. As someone who played Hearthstone from release - 2019 and Magic from 2006 till now I would say this is a very entertaining video! If you ever have a part 2, make sure to invite him together with Bryan Kibler if possible :)

[@recusantvessel]

Holy shit you got PVDDR on here, this is a LEGENDARY collab!

[@edde2429]

Yeah!

[@edde2429]

His analysis is sooo good it's insane!

[@unluckygamer692]

For real, he was just spot on

[@Blizz3112]

Well, he's a champion for a reason...

[@ich3730]

even when rarran straight up lies to him xD

[@DoomStarRequiem]

He's an mtg legend, mtg is kinda like the progenitor of all collectible/trading card games.

[@MCarrai488]

He’s one of the three GOATs of Magic, I’m not exaggerating when I say he’s MJ/Lebron-tier.

[@simonteesdale9752]

Honestly, when they spoiled Drek'thar, I got massive Lurrus vibes. Basically, you want to play cheap stuff anyway, so you don't need much reward for it.

[@RoCdOtAoWnsXD]

The editing really makes this video. Showing examples of what's being discussed during conversation makes it a like more intuitive and watchable.

[@ErgonomicDesk]

Love this collab series!

[@Rarran]

wait till the next one

[@roco993]

I’ll be here to watch it

[@ErgonomicDesk]

@@Rarran Can you invite more Ex-hearthstone players? I want to see people's reaction to the powercreep 🤣

[@Rarran]

👀 let’s just say the next one is THE ex hearthstone player

[@ErgonomicDesk]

@@Rarran POG

[@jetcape15]

I don't play Hearthstone much, but I play a lot of MtG, and it was awesome seeing PVDDR on here. I watched the other video where you tried to assess Magic cards that he chose as well. Super entertaining stuff!

[@NapoleonSoares]

I have quite literally been watching PV be dominant at magic for like 20+ years, absolutely insane that you got him on here.

[@ViciousViscount]

I want to see more of this guy. He seems like a real champ.

[@goodwillhawk]

I love how proud Rarran looks when PVDDR gets one right.

[@yurisargsyan2968]

This guy analyzes better than a lot of players who play HS currently 😂😂

[@briantjokroadiguno4566]

that guy was a world champ for a reason, I think he did very well on this one.

[@FiboSai]

Drek'Thar is acutally very similar to a MTG card called Lurrus of the Dream Den. Lurrus has the restriction that you can only play permanent cards that cost 2 or less, but if you do, you can play him once per game from the so called companion zone (he is essentially in your opening hand, but can't be discarded). Once on the field, you can play a card from your graveyard once per turn. That card was so extremely busted that his companion ability had to be nerfed (nerfs almost never happen in MTG) and even then he was so strong that he had to be banned in most formats.

[@scotbush4338]

Holy shit I play both games pretty competitively and that's a phenomenal comparison. Obviously lurrus is better cause it's an extra card and you always have access to it, so basically if drekthar had an ability of like, pay some mana to pull drekthar from your deck then it'd be just like lurrus but still, it's very very strong as is. When will these game designers learn that free stuff is ALWAYS problematic

[@Pacheco_Dan]

You can cast a permanent* from your grave

[@zaifir8119]

It reminded me most of Collected Company, because it is pretty much that on a stick and more consistent. Its not a hard limitation like companion but if you want your Collected Company to hit well you better have a good amount of cheap creatures in your deck. For those reading that don't know the card, its a 4 mana spell that allows you to look at the top 6 cards of your deck and put up to 2 creatures with mana value 3 or less onto the battlefield.

[@paulm2163]

@@zaifir8119 For sure CoCo is the better comparison. Drek'Thar does not feel like Lurrus at all, it's a turn 4 army in a can.

[@TeaRektum]

Hey dude, although i dont play Hearthstone this series is pretty sick. I hope one day we get to see Yugioh players lmao

[@schranzerfrank4683]

Get cimooooooooooo

[@aqua-simp4745]

@@schranzerfrank4683 farfa's funnier imo. or MBT

[@epthopper]

@@aqua-simp4745 Farfa plays HS pretty regularly though, and MBT has played a lot in the past

[@aqua-simp4745]

@@epthopper Ah ok my bad

[@Rarran]

thanks so much dude! the yu gi oh one is coming!

[@aprofessionalcitizen9030]

Good pair of videos! I will note that basically ALL the hearthstone cards covered were crazy good, you didn't make PV analyze any bad cards!

[@JMarchel]

Love to see how your channel is growing!

[@Rarran]

thanks marchel! putting so much time into videos, glad to see it paying off

[@DMegatenMusic]

Phenomenal analysis. Loving your content, you earned a new sub!

[@riehl8893]

I would love to see you guessing how good magic cards are, even better if they are chosen by PV

[@blake..-]

Good news for ya

[@matejformanek9438]

Here you go kzbin.info/www/bejne/nafZoGCea5qBoJo

[@diamond3936]

Gotta say, this was extremely impressive! You could feel his experience in his reasoning

[@thiagoalmeida9425]

PV is such a legend. Pride of the Brazilian community!

[@dubsinthetubs]

As a magic player as well as a hearthstone player this was really cool to hear from Paulo and I didn't know he had played hearthstone, not that I'm surprised though. Really cool video, thank you for this

[@iamasalad9080]

As someone who used to play hearthstone and now plays magic, I can enjoy both videos.

[@bradjones7491]

Whenever you're looking at cards it's so important to understand the rulesets you're working inside of, so many yugioh players will look at a card that says draw X and loose their minds because they don't realize that it has a cost and you cant just play it freely.

[@chilimaggaming]

The audio didn't bother me at all...very well done on the editing. Great video!

[@NayaraSylvestre]

awesome content! as a hearthstone player and brazilian this feels like a excelent mix with PVDDR! wanna know when he is coming to the HS side haha

[@SuperKamiGuru5]

Super cool to see PVDDR here. Man is in the conversation for the GOAT of competitive MtG. Really hoping for a lot of Eldrain cards for you guessing magic cards 😉

[@sethb3090]

Oko time

[@konohahurricane07]

Cargo Guard is an auto include in all types of Questline Warrior decks.

[@funa2865]

Rarran is used to entertainers being on his channel. PVDDR is a gawd dang professional. He takes his assessment of game mechanics seriously.

[@manueltakerumazuelosw.6181]

As a MTG player, it is hard for me to justify the design for some Hearthstone cards. I don't know if it is power creep or just the way the game works, but a 1/3 for 1 mana that deals damage to the whole board whenever another creature enters the battlefield is just INSANE. I think if this card was ever printed in MTG the community would go bonkers xD Maybe someone who has a bit more insight in the HS design process of the cards could help? Anyways, loved the video, hope to see more ^^

[@manueltakerumazuelosw.6181]

@@CassianoAlanCanossa I understand, but the onyl way I can think of this card being bad is because many better cards were printed afterwards, that made this card, or even the whole deck, obsolete. I played HS a bit when it came out, and the cards I remember are nowhere near the power level of the cards shown in the video. I am quite against power creep in games, since I associate it with bad card design and greed. You kinda force poeple to buy cards if they want to stay in the game. I understand that almost all games do this, even MTG, but I feel that in MTG it is more controlled, and the designers are also concerned about new mechanics and such. Anyways, thanks for the reply ^^

[@sethb3090]

I think this card would actually be better in Magic because of damage going away. Here, it will take itself out.

[@Blackadder75]

@@manueltakerumazuelosw.6181 it's just as bad in Magic, I played that since 1994, stopped buying cards in 2014, and when I look at the current magic cards, I have the exact same feeling as you have on HS . I now ignore most new cards and only play vintage cube draft in MTg and Wild in HS

[@TheTrueBongoKnight]

I didn't see this mentioned down below, but when Dragonqueen Alexstrasza was released, she didn't have the word "Other" in her text box, which means she could give you herself. So for a while there were games where you could play Dragonqueen, get a Dragonqueen, play the second, and get a third.

[@garak55]

It's like watching a chess grandmaster discussing checkers strategy.

[@hedgeon3205]

It’s so interesting to see so many different card game players try to guess things about other card games

[@greenskyline2889]

I am so happy you found your "role" in HS content...what a great development of your channel. i dont play HS anymore, but still love to check out your videos. keep it up man, great work

[@Hereforham]

I loved watching PVR when I played magic, loved to see he is a beast at any card game. Good stuff, Sir

[@WallsEryx]

Kinda surprised he didn't compare Secret Passage to Memory Jar. It's an MtG card with similar effect that got banned neck-breakingly fast

[@Ritzyjet]

Memory jar was also five mana and made you discard your original hand. Secrete passage would be undeniably one of the strongest cards in the game

[@TheMrFrankov]

@@Ritzyjet for 1 mana draw 5. WTF do they smoking?

[@sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh]

Scroll Rack?

[@Folfire]

Even taking at face value what others say and all the cards were strong, making it easier, he still thoroughly explained why was the card good or bad. You can see this as a YES/NO test, or one where you write, and PV crushed it both ways :p

[@forestskilbred9461]

Great video! He was super good at analyzing these cards!

[@noworldforeric]

Hence why he's been a Magic HOF player for almost the entirety of his career in Magic, and he easily reached Hearthstone legend picking up the game in like

[@ecyor0]

Oh boy, the Shudderwock. No joke, that card singlehandedly drove me off Hearthstone because being stuck in a 5 minute animation loop was so incredibly rage inducing.

[@voronovychda]

As a former mtg player that followed LSV and friends this video hit just the spot! Thank you!

[@tobiaskumutat4723]

Cool video. What was a bit annoying though was that he only showed high power cards. I am a magic player myself and tried guessing a bit myself, so it was a bit annoying to always have the revelation be 'um yeah so, that's like a super strong card, it had to be nerfed ' or something.

[@heavyonthemustardplz]

Same thoughts exactly!

[@WhirlwindHeatAndFlash]

His analysis is really amazing. Hes making very specific scenarios. Really incredible.

[@davidhickey8613]

PV is one of the best players of all time because of his ability to evaluate the usefulness of cards very appropriately. Whether in deck building or in playing a match. He's basically a computer for real time card EV.

[@Hyxtrem]

Yeah, ofc it's PVDDR, he's so smart at playing cards games, i knew he would guess quite correctly HS's cards. But he did it SPOT ON, what a video, WOW !

[@cat4luny4]

as an mtg player I'm not surprised PV surprised how well he evaluated the cards

[@SnailArg]

The fact that PV can accurately evaluate most of this cards speaks more about hearthstone simplicity than anything else to me, which is one of the reasons why hs is so popular.

[@Dannymiles1987]

Brann might as well have a neon light that says. “Kill me!”

[@a_doggo]

Magic players are just freakin' next-level. I guess that makes sense with a games that's 30 years old, but good lord. Great video, thanks for being humble! Learned an awful lot and can't help but have respect for magic. Their high level players seem to be.... really high level? Correct me if I'm wrong. Love the series, what an awesome idea!

[@evernewb2073]

nah, you're right, information is extremely powerful in MTG and even accounting for how much you can infer from knowing all the options trying to parse through enough to outplay your opponent with as little information as possible is often _unbelievably_ complex to the point where there isn't enough computing power on the planet to crunch the numbers to turn most matches into a solved game. even a match between two decks that boil down to "I play cards, they deal damage, you die" is still going to beat out blind chess by several orders of magnitude

[@theomcinturff1213]

One mana Memory Jar: "Oh yeah that seems ok, but maybe not in control." bruh.

[@yu-ger-bloob-highway3521]

This just proves there are just some people who have a special skill. Without only the context he gave, I don’t think I would have done nearly close to as accurate, and that’s as someone who has played yugioh and/or hearthstone pretty much their whole life.

[@hairykraken3541]

Lmao the reverse will be so hard for you with the novel that are the interesting cards in magic

[@amitaish1055]

A Hearthstone player seeing an extremely consistent and detailed writing for every card will be... Interesting

[@buck2817]

Yeah, PV’s card evaluation has always been pretty nuts.

[@teo2206]

Aaaaaahh , What a ramdom colab, but i love it, i am big fan of Paulo Vitor (PVDDR) , and i so glad i drop in this channel some weks a go, tranks for the great content

[@Lightning_Lance]

I wonder if Paulo's limited experience with Hearthstone somehow threw him off on Secret Passage, because to me it immediately reminded me of the broken mtg card Memory Jar

[@arroaboy7348]

dude same

[@pachekaoo]

Holy macaroli for someone who isnt that familiar with HS (he didnt know DH was a thing) man his intuition was so on point! Like 90% the things he said were so true

[@tomikvrona1681]

4:30 reminds me of Lurrus of the Dream-Den in Magic

[@gausssto570]

This guy does a better job of evaluating Hearthstone cards than Hearthstone pros do.

[@coriolis_storm]

Turns out being one of the best Magic players of all time makes you good at evaluating cards from other card games! (provided you know the basics of those games) 🙂

[@theomcinturff1213]

Only played Hearthstone for a bit but Shudderwock IMMEDIATELY gave me flashbacks to an orange sandstorm dragon.

[@robert84_]

Awesome video and collab. PVDDR is a great MTG player!

[@danieljames6044]

Really enjoying these ‘guess the power level’ videos! Keep up the great work!

[@BoyDugo02]

I really love your collab videos. They basically give different outsider's perspectives. I can't wait for you to have another collab with Grapplr where you rate LoR cards this time.

[@themrfj]

Pretty cool. would like to have seen him evaluate more bad cards though. Do it again! :)

[@ratpongkraiwiwat5988]

I love this series. So good. And about Risky Skipper, I miss him so much as CW that I think if I can have him comeback to standard, I can deal with getting no good warrior cards in new expansions for a year.

[@jicopa5196]

7 4 5 courier is good enough for big spell mages to play around anti-spells and to cast 9-10 spells in tempo when only these are come back chances. Sure it was better for last meta, but I'm still using it sometimes.

[@Yatezylad]

No hands warrior vs DH. What a time to be alive that was

[@adammurkin7496]

PVDDR is probably the great MTG player of all time at this point. Him and Finkel are kinda tied. His assessment skills are a wonder to behold.

[@BannockMeatball]

Love these videos, always fun to see insight of non-HS players seeing broken and trash tier cards and trying to figure out which is which

[@Xavier-es4gi]

How is this guy so much better at evaluating cards the cards that I actually use than myself

[@soshspotgames4380]

lmao ikr. he's like a 5,000 IQ galaxy brain alien. 😂

[@dermittelfinger5903]

His analysis is insane.

[@doodledeedah]

Amazing video! Please get this guy back on, he’s so insightful. Maybe explain arena to him and do dual class arenas together. They’re great fun and make good content!

[@doodledeedah]

Although the editing is a ballache.

[@Rarran]

we will be doing another video soon!

[@Rarran]

is a ballache good lol

[@carlygoodrich3448]

Every time I see a Magic and Hearthstone player talk, the HS player is really animated, speaks quickly and tends to be a bit younger than the slower more methodical Magic player who pokerface all life all the time.

[@sethb3090]

It's because magic players have it poker face with the opponent sitting across the table

[@Sinfinity7]

Basically spot on every card, thats how you know your talking to a World Champion, wanne see Yugioh player now :D

[@firedrake110]

Paulo VDDR, one of the legends. He's not LSV status, but nobody else is either lol

[@DiverseCurse]

As someone who's never played Hearthstone, Drek'Thar gives me Lurrus of the Dream Den vibes.

[@BasicallyADiety]

My man out here killing it. Love the Content Rarran ❤️

[@hungerbunger5985]

With that Fel spell (Multi-strike) you can attack a minion and then still attack face afterwards. Which is why I think this card needs to be reworded. Because you're using your "additional attack" first in that case and can still attack face. To me an additional attack comes after the first one. So you shouldn't be able to attack a minion and then go face, but I have had this happen several times to me in the past. Since they nerfed the cost of the card, I haven't seen it anymore, but I do believe this effect is still able to be activated in that way.

[@estebanembroglio6371]

these videos are really fun rarran. 7:40 feels. you look great btw

[@LookAwaaay]

Late to the party but your hair looks gorgeous, Rarran. And the guy is amazing. He would rock HS too if he decided to play it competitively.

[@Paool]

A world champ MTG player is impressive. Makes total sense he's on point

[@Zoxan96]

"This is a really cool video with one of the best Magic players of all time" Enter Brian Kibler

[@antoniojosefreitas3710]

NO way man, PVDDR??? THATS AWESOME!!!

[@arcengal]

You forgot that Scamqueen Alexstraza could also originally generate copies of herself.

[@Magnussc2]

This guy is incredibly smart. Such astute observations, and he hasn't played the game since Naxx ? God damn

[@marihuanajones6950]

Nice waiting for this a long time

[@BillyStrifeValo]

I don't play HS anymore (started in karazhan and left in ashes of the Outland) but I'll sub just because of PVDDR.

[@aofukai9978]

BRUH DIDNT EXPECT PVDDR HERE, HANDS DOWN IMPRESSED

[@lingo4375]

It would be cool to do this with other mtg pros, seeing Brian Kibler take on this challenge would be great!

[@BohotTheRobot]

Kibler has played a TON of Hearthstone though

[@Providenza]

I feel like Kibler is more known for hearthstone than magic lmao

[@Bill_the_Redneck]

now you should guess mtg cards with pvddr

[@mathijnverkerk2420]

Dude you are pumping out the content!

[@FlameBurger]

PVDDR?? You're moving up in the world!

[@achimsinn6189]

You should have showed him Yogg Saron. Most reviewers got him wrong back when he was released. I would really be interested on what he thinks about that card.

[@offsale8911]

always good to have a new rarran video POG