ZA/UM Dies The Most Disco Death Possible | Castle Super Beast Clips

[@watuhboy]

Mr. Evrart is helping me fund my game.

[@toom_moot]

Mr. Evrart is helping me fund my game!

[@danieln6613]

Mr. Evrart is helping him fund his game.

[@LieseFury]

Mr. Evrart is helping me fund my game.

[@andrewstewart1464]

Mr. Evrart is helping me fund my game.

[@thelaughingrouge]

Mr. Evrart is helping me fund my game.

[@tychoazrephet3794]

All I can think about is the programmers notes from the fall of Fortress Accident: “the artists will be alright, and the programmers of course, they’re programmers. But the writers? They’re fucked.”

[@Tribophopic]

AI art will replace humans.

[@kyleleehufnagel]

@@Tribophopic well, no it won’t. It will destroy commissioned pictures but it can’t create art

[@zedc6072]

Not if it still looks like shit

[@Trynt33]

@@CompagnonDeMisere25 Just like in the 4chan threads

[@Trynt33]

@@Tribophopic What's that got to do with AI art? You should've said AI Dungeon or NovelAI smh

[@crumdogy]

The kicker is that the statement Za/um put out afterward sounds like it came straight out of the Sunday Friend’s mouth.

[@kapkant6197]

Imagine losing work you spent almost 20 years on because some leeches in business suits REALLY want that potential Fortnite money later when they could get good money right now by letting the studio do it's thing, not realising that live service enjoyers won't know what Disco Elysium is so they'll keep playing their GaaS of choice, and the people who do know what Disco Elysium is hate your guts now and will boycott your product. And when the studio inevitably crashes and burns the leech men from Resident Evil 0 who ran the company will learn nothing and blame the people lower on the totem pole for not listening to marketing research because God forbid they admit fault for once. That's Disco baby.

[@amishrambo4096]

Suits and their mass graves filled with cut open golden geese

[@originalscreenname44]

The worst part is those corpo leeches have history on their side. Blizzard and BioWare are companies that were held in high regard, sold to vampiric corporations, and even after the people responsible for their reputation left and the quality of their product dipped dramatically people still kept buying. These guys are playing the numbers game as they always do to see how much they can get away with for as little as possible and are calculating how many customers they'll lose in those numbers. The only thing that gives them pause is for those calculations to be completely wrong. Now Disco Elysium is more of a critical darling game with a smaller audience compared to the output of BioWare or Blizzard, that doesn't mean people won't give it a shot. Even if people who are angry just buy the game to see how it is with the regime change, it doesn't matter to the numbers. A sale is a sale no matter the intent.

[@kapkant6197]

@@amishrambo4096 It's baffling to me because despite what some people may think, GaaS titles can absolutely have passion and artistry put into them even with suits breathing down their necks, basically this isn't coming from an inherent hatred of GaaS titles, I play like 4 of them regularly and my username is based off a Rainbow Six Siege character (a GaaS title) but I just don't feel like this hypothetical "Disco Elysium: Infinite" is gonna have any kind of artistry to it. When even Call of Duty can inject personality and fun into their games but you probably can't, you probably shouldn't make a GaaS title.

[@kapkant6197]

@@originalscreenname44 It sucks yeah. But I still feel like this will not work for them. Blizzard and these other companies make world famous AAA titles meaning no matter what there will be hangers on. It feels like the 360 era "we need the Call of Duty audience" thing again, not realising that CoD players (like me) aren't gonna buy Spec Ops: The Line for its multiplayer that rips off the exact CoD formula, they are gonna keep playing Call of Duty.

[@k.-flynn]

@@amishrambo4096 golden geese? We've got suits with mass graves of real human beings and still no change.

[@zaneseibert]

And this boys and girls, is why owning your own IP rights is the single most important thing to include in any contract.

[@Michael-bn1oi]

Sadly it's also the #1 thing to make a producer walk away so you game never sees the light of day. Horrible practice, but it do be that way.

[@anonymous71207]

who's to say the game would get made if they enforced that? I'm not arguing in favor of the corpos here, absolutely not, but considering how lucky it was that we got DE at all, I'm not sure there was anything they could've done differently... unless they made a worse game, I guess?

[@kyleleehufnagel]

Actually it’s the business snakes who are at fault for doing it. I know peasant mindset makes us presume that “it’s our fault the worms took something that wasn’t rightfully theirs” but actually it’s the worms fault for taking it. They are humans, not inevitable natural disasters.

[@untitled4525]

They long admitted to get the game out they had to make a deal with the devil. The devil wasn’t knocking then, but they knew it was coming.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

so you're saying Sylvester Stallone is doing the right thing?

[@kruaser123]

i have seldom seen something devalue itself as instantaneously as Disco Elysium 2

[@Rincewindus]

Considering all evidence is that Kurvitz still has the rights, that's not true at all.

[@tulthau8380]

@@Rincewindus can you give a source that he has the rights to DE?

[@phantam23]

@@tulthau8380 Disco Elysium is set in the same setting as Kurvitz book Sacred and Terrible Air. There's no firm sources but he published it well before founding ZA/UM and should still have the rights to the universe as a whole.

[@thelaughingrouge]

@@phantam23 "Should" have the rights is not "Does" have the rights. Especially in late stage capitalism.

[@judeofford]

People have dug up that Kurvitz is pursuing a lawsuit against ZA/UM, so it is very possible he could get the rights back.

[@ManOfAnswers]

As Joyce says...Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would *critique* capital end up *reinforcing* it instead...

[@k.-flynn]

Do your part! When someone asks how they should play this game, pirate the fuck out of it!

[@ragnar3434]

For more info, see Mark Fisher's book on capitalist realism, which popularized this idea. It's short.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@ragnar3434 Future Status: Cancelled

[@evinbraley]

You know for a fact that if/when Disco 2 is announced, this quote is gonna be spammed in the comments section. Just like the LOTR Rings of Power comments section.

[@TheSergio1021]

So like China?

[@nooneinparticular5273]

You do hate to see them go out like this, or at all, but it is kinda poetic that at least in the death of their company, they proved their point.

[@nooneinparticular5273]

@Justahuman Same... same.

[@DR3ADER1]

The only point they proved was that they SUCK at managing anything. I was viewing the comments section of one of KiraTV's videos, and one of the users mentioned how mentally fragile and deranged some indie developers are. The collapse of ZA/UM is just another example of this trend of indies not knowing what the fuck they're doing, and blaming others for their faults at basic management, they're no different to the corporate leeches who kicked them out of the company in the first place.

[@nooneinparticular5273]

@@DR3ADER1 Oh, some random comment on KiraTV said it? Well damn, it must be true then.

[@DR3ADER1]

@@nooneinparticular5273 A comment you couldn't be arsed to find out for yourself. Again, the truth comes from all sources, not just one.

[@nooneinparticular5273]

@@DR3ADER1 Man, "The truth comes from all sources" you read one (1) unverifiable, unsubstantiated KZbin comment and took it as gospel. You're not an expert, you're gullible. And of course I didn't go find it myself. Why would I go trawl through every comment on a channel I don't watch and do not care about to, again, find one single unverifiable, unsubstantiated KZbin comment. "How mentally fragile and deranged some indie developers are." Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? That is a nothing phrase. It means nothing. There is no way to quantify it. What? Did that single KZbin commenter do an entire peer reviewed study on all the countless and diverse different indie devs in the world? They wrote some stuff you liked, it suited your pre-conceived notions because I get the impression you just irrationally hate indie devs and you decided that one single KZbin comment was the answer. You're just bootlicking the people who bought out and killed the company.

[@rattled6732]

For one singular moment there was hope

[@Alexander_Speaks]

I’m glad they got to stand on that stage, and hold the heavy statue thing

[@nananamamana3591]

Im also happy they got to stand up and hold a thing That's how you know you've made it

[@sauviel6296]

​@@nananamamana3591 that yellow shiny thing

[@phantomgoblin5540]

There are two outcomes for the creator and writers in this situation. Either we see the creator or writers become the living embodiment of the Green Goblin or Legion of Doom or they are about to write/create the most hardest best written piece of fiction we have ever seen in our lifetime

[@music79075]

Or the third, they fade into obscurity and crippling alcoholism which is the good end.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@music79075 Disco: Become Harry

[@phantomgoblin5540]

@@music79075We got The funny ending, the neutral ending and the funniest ending of them all alcoholism

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

@Simple Barghest you really took that comment at face value and thought you made a point. funny.

[@pareidolist]

"Hey, remember that time we made a video game? That was wild. Anyway..."

[@the123joker]

that Amazon Disco Elysium TV series is going to be literal salt on the wound

[@TheSergio1021]

How you like that Rings of Power?

[@manticorephoenix]

@@TheSergio1021 or The Boys?

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

@@manticorephoenix What is wrong with The Boys?

[@Loryuo]

@@fernandozavaletabustos205 that's what i want to know, cause it can't be that it's not as good as the comic books, cause that shit sucks

[@Rebazar]

inb4 it's sub-Utopia remake levels of quality

[@just_matt214]

I can't believe the producers of Disco Elysium just announced that the game and all related merchandise are free forever.

[@nananamamana3591]

You know what's pretty Disco? Pirates. Pirates, are pretty fuckin' Disco... _Yar har fiddle dee dee~_

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

cute.

[@StoneEagle194]

Woolie completely forgot the way you get the shares from ultra rich lightbending guy to get the massive boost to your networth. You convince Cindy to sell you some BS art for cheap which you then sell to the lightbending guy for shares in his company. The metaphor here is deeper than the Mariana trench

[@commissarcardsharp]

Look how they massacred my boy.

[@xthewated]

Woolie’s casually saying corpo now

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Watching Edgerunner will do that

[@jacobcordova3825]

@@cyberninjazero5659 feels right and easy to say for those hollow suits

[@RavenCloak13]

Because it's correct.

[@TheSergio1021]

If only he actually played CP 2077

[@Broomer52]

It feels right. It’s a much easier term than saying “companies” or “money mongers” you say Corpo, it’s short, sweet catchy and everyone knows what you mean.

[@X_Blake]

I'm sorry Woolie

[@GoofballAndi]

On the bright side, Harry for Smash has NEVER been more likely than it is right now.

[@bomberharris8439]

His side B is a roundhouse kick

[@nananamamana3591]

For his neutral special, Harry wields, a gun! _when he can find it..._

[@thelaughingrouge]

Mr. Sakurai is helping me find my gun.

[@steve7613]

@@thelaughingrouge Mr. Sakurai is helping me find my gun

[@brandonmorel2658]

Reference x thing, reference y thing = get social capital

[@Troutgaming]

There's some hope. Luiga, a key figure in the cultural association has stated that they were all dismissed on false premises, and in November, Kurvitz is suing Zaum for documents and information (which implies they're blocking him from accessing them as he /is/ a shareholder in Zaum too, which also means there's almost certainly a breach of contract that they don't want someone seeing). Don't want to get hopes up too much but it could be the first step in a larger case.

[@zedc6072]

Here’s hoping something good comes out of that

[@jgn]

can't believe that za/um's writers got colonized

[@Sercotani]

*G E K O L O N I S E E R D*

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

The only thing I hope for is that Disco Elysium ends up paving the way so that more of the collective's works are able to get exported outside of Estonia because I would definitely be interested in delving into it. Even if the original novel that the setting was first established in was to get adapted into English in some way I'd be excited. It's really a shameful situation for them to lose their control over the game.

[@aprendizdefegelein]

"Are women the burgeoise?" ....Just give me a minute to explain.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

women are the patriarchy.

[@willadkins1354]

I mean, some of them are. Even full on feminists can be corpos.

[@emperortgp2424]

kind of, is mindless consumerism burgeoise?

[@Sandberry]

I can't wait until Beardless Harry and Pissflaubert Jacket Kim become 4.99 skins in three years in the soulless iteration they'll dole out by then

[@nananamamana3591]

Catch them in Fortnight's new battle pass! Look, there goes Harry, hitting that toinky loinky like your favorite streamer haha epic! Only 69.99!

[@lbcyber]

The only thing that makes this news worse is hearing Pat and Woolie try to say the word "zine"

[@andrewericdavison]

For reeeeeeal hahah

[@TeapotBird]

I feel the opposite of “Shazzenfroyd” for you

[@Smeagolthevile]

I have to say that it’s poetic that this group of people found each other dropped one of the best games of history and then collapse

[@cybergeek11235]

2:07 - Pat, I am pretty sure it's meant to be pronounced "fan ZEEN" - as in "magazine".

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

Pat is from Canada. they don't even know what punk rock is.

[@jakejutras5420]

@@miguelnewmexico8641 wtf does that even mean?

[@jakesommer3914]

@@jakejutras5420 Get outta here, before I scare you away with devil horns and backwards music!

[@qazimod]

had to rewind the first time to know wtf he was saying

[@TeapotBird]

@@miguelnewmexico8641Narduwar does, at least, but he’s a statistical outlier

[@zanethezaniest274]

Thank u ZA/UM thank u for giving me and thousands of people in the world, this awesome game about regret, buff racist man, redemption and disco. May u rest easy.

[@ratking1608]

The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long.

[@pathfindersavant3988]

"Failure. Its about failure. Abject failure. Total, irreversible defeat on all fronts! Absolutely vanquished, beaten, curb-stomped and pissed on."

[@FoolsGil]

I so badly want to read Kurvitz's DE prequel novel. Sacred and Terrible Air is in the same universe and everything

[@yareyarejose5080]

i heard somewhere that it actually was fully translated into english and it's just picking up dust by this point

[@OsnosisBones]

Year late but it's not a prequel. It's set I think 27 years later or so and a lot of the apocalyptic and pale-centric dialogue in DE was actually alluding to stuff in the book to my understanding.

[@TylerRuins]

Just finished Disco Elysium only a few weeks ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. Needless to say, this fuckin' sucks, man.

[@hugehuman1]

Same here, the timing is extra rough.

[@BeavisSaves]

This is why artists need lawyers when dealing with business vampires.

[@phosie1380]

It’s a devastating loss and it brings up a lot of questions. Mainly, who owns the rights to the world of a Sacred and Terrible Air? Is that fully under ZA/UM or does Kurvitz still have any ownership over that?

[@kyleleehufnagel]

Whoever has more political power and capital. The law is a tool used to justify things the capitalists will do regardless of what it says. The spirit of the law will be interpreted to apply to their actions when the letter of the law disagrees and the contorted interpretations of the letter will be used to allow actions contrary to a law’s spirit.

[@Diszzzon75]

I hope so, watch the interview where Kurvitz talks about the writing in the game. He and his friends build that world since he was a teenager. It's s heartbreaking.

[@leeverguy]

And remember: unless the former devs confirm that they're getting residuals, DO NOT PURCHASE DISCO ELYSIUM OR OFFICIAL DISCO ELYSIUM MERCHANDISE. Follow the writers, support them directly if you're able to, and if you really want to introduce a friend to DE... ⛵⛵⛵

[@talynhastime9343]

Pirate or buy things made by fan artists. It is always morally correct.

[@thelaughingrouge]

@@talynhastime9343 well, not always... but the difference is small enough to be mathematically insignificant.

[@jjheroup8288]

Or just get it pre owned or used is what i'm doing. While pirating can be an option, people don't seem to understand that pirating can be complicated, especially when its technically illegal. Though i wish it was legal in certain cases.

[@wilsonsilva2918]

Where can i support the writers?

[@mika9578]

One day I will return to your side.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

At first I thought fortress accident was deliberately placed, now it seems to be a wild coincidence. Or knowledge of what was coming

[@trickster721]

It was about their first game project that was cancelled for being overly ambitious.

[@kyleleehufnagel]

@@trickster721 I think it was actually an amalgam of the programmers previous experience with game development and actually the original pitch meetings for Disco Elysium. The game itself has dozens different characters, a narrator, and 24 skills. I believe they originally wanted the entire game to be voiced, similar to the Final Cut, but also have all 24 skills to be voiced by different actors (kinda like how shivers occasionally has VA in a unique voice.) That resonates with the “Valley of the Heads” anecdote in the Fortress Accident notes.

[@PlanetaryPluto]

@@kyleleehufnagel That would've been beautiful! Ugh. But 24 more unique VA's sounds like a lot and they've already given us so much.

[@astrobstrd]

Fortress Accident is DEFINITELY inspired by experiences with game dev, the realities of capitalism and an extremely self-aware facsimile of trying to start a creative endeavor that needs money to function. I would absolutely not say it's a coincidence given that everyone at ZA/UM absolutely knew that this game would itself become a critique of capitalism that is subsumed, just a very realistic understanding of what this whole experience is like with a sardonic flair

[@lugubriousmoron8996]

He says it all right there @ 4:40 - "Capital has the ability to subsumse all critiques into itself" and that's all you need to understand when looking at this situation.

[@KIL0]

Despite having this game for over a year, I guess? I just now played it. So, I go to AA, like once every 6 months. I was a hardcore drunk from my experiences in the USMC infantry 20yr ago; 9-11 prompted me to join, I was in the invasion of Iraq, and Fallujah, kicking open doors and clearing houses. I bought this game on a whim. Really, after my visit to AA, since I only came around every 6 months, I would go to the local GameStop and flirt with a girl who works/worked there. I remember seeing The Final Cut, googling it, and was like: good enough, and bought it just to flirt with this broad. The game has sat in my entertainment center, still wrapped in plastic, until earlier this week. I WIKI'd it, and since it was for XBOX ONE, I had to have bought the game sometime, after or around Oct. 12, 2021. I do a lot of dancing, 3-5 times a day, every fucking day, and I just don't play games as much as I used to. But since it's cold outside, here I am. This game impressed me. Not only because I can relate to Harry, being a huge drunk and forgetting how I got where I was whenever I woke up, but also because this game allowed for me to play as a Communist. I am a communist. Yeah, more especially after doing what we did over in Iraq . . . But this game is so fresh, so funny, it felt like it was made just for me. I beat it and immediately wanted to replay it. I googled to see if there was any new modes, like NG+, and then the next day fucking Collage Mode? Collage Mode? Trash. Anyway. Not that any of this matters. I'm just proud of this game, and now it's equally saddening to hear there won't be anything more from them in the future. Cheers, Devs, You made a game so badass that they fired/killed you for it - - That's Messiah status.

[@nikolambert314]

Any guy who was down on his luck could relate to Harry.

[@MokouMeows]

man that’s fucked, I was hoping for more stuff in the world of disco but it appears I will never get it now.

[@hellokittybebop]

Theres a book thats in the world of disco Elysium but it's not translated to english

[@trickster721]

I think the main thing I've learned as I've gotten older is that sequels are basically always a scam.

[@IvellScarlett]

Oh, we'll get more disco Elysium. It's just that none of the people who are responsible will be working on it. Watch Disco Elysium turn into a soulless franchise only existing to make money.

[@AuspexAO]

A great team of programmers and engineers can make a great video game, but it takes a creative individual or two to make a legendary one.

[@plainsimpletailor402]

I can't imagine why the creators of ZA/UM would have been pariahs in Estonia. It's not like Estonia had a certain ideology forced upon them for 70 years or anything...

[@Spootnik]

I hate that this seems to happen to every game that does something special and gets on the public's radar, yet Assasin's Creed and Call of Duty still get their regular releases without fail, even when the last one does poorly.

[@Trynt33]

The value of the marketing dollar

[@kyleleehufnagel]

It’s weird how Pat is portraying the artists and writers as the ones who burned their networking bridges in Estonia when it was other people burning those bridges. And then he goes and blames them for getting ousted from their own company. Naw Pat, those things happened TO them. They got slicked by business snakes and as much as people want to try to blame them for not “protecting themselves;” they didn’t invite it and they didn’t enable it; they just didn’t have every single base and loophole covered from day one, half a decade ago.

[@thelaughingrouge]

If there's one thing Pat can ABSOLUTELY be counted on for it's shit takes that completely misunderstood the point!

[@LadyViolet1]

Yeah, but if you listen to him he doesn't at all sound like he's "blaming" them for being ousted from their own company. To me Pat portrays it like a shitty situation that happens to a lot of people in the games industry.

[@Trynt33]

@@LadyViolet1 A situation that happens WAY too often

[@LadyViolet1]

@@Trynt33 I agree

[@orien358]

Watch disco 2 just be fallout 4 identically and shivers is a fucking perk

[@Dragonsmana]

God I hated seeing this story, man what a loss to the industry for fucking nothing.

[@kevincullen6627]

Dead like Disco has found a new meaning

[@leafgreenbeast]

Literally colonized the devteam

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Is this that "Accelerationism" shit I hear so much about? I remember it used to take a decade or at least 5 years for a franchise to be ruined.

[@ultraheaven8968]

Yep. I see the future becoming basically (jojo spoilers) What happens with Made in heaven where society and life changes so rapidly due to AI and machine learning that humans are left in the dust

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@ultraheaven8968 Disco Elysium 2 Will be an Accelerationism masterpiece but Disco Elysium 3 will be the lucky sequel and grant us 3 post apocalyptic wishes

[@Forneusatseaworld]

Guess i'm playing Disco tonight.

[@JetPoweredCloud]

Don't mourn, organize.

[@Dingleberrycrunch36]

The universe has a twisted sense of humor. The first game to really set the bar for games as a medium for political discourse is getting lawyered to death and resurrected with a slot machine on its forehead.

[@jackpollard550]

This could not have happened any other way, and somehow that’s beautiful.

[@Blackheartzero]

I know the real reason ZA/UM died; Woolie liked Disco Elysium, Simple as that! It's a fundamental law of the universe; he's not allowed to have ANYTHING! not ReBoot, not Titanfall, not even Naruto!

[@MegaBichiX]

so the TLDR of this is "OH BOY! I can't wait to see how they are going to disappoint me this time"

[@causewaybob3651]

Ready for disco 2 spite edition with and ending sequence where you beat the mega rich light bending guy to death with a money shaped hammer

[@trampoline11x]

I only recently learned about Disco Elysium, and afterwards its downfall, and yes. They went out in the most disco way I could ever imagine.

[@mikicerise6250]

ZA/UM has been renamed Sunday Friend Studio.

[@otakon17]

We shall never have another like Disco Elysium... I feel gutted.

[@GodsRighthandman]

I recently went through disco and as woolie said “one of the best games” and it brings my me to tears that this happend

[@Khono]

I'm replaying the game and just came across this only an hour after watching this video of yours. This game is such an incisive work of art. Surely it will continue to strike a dissonant chord with contemporary issues decades from now. A genre-defining masterpiece yoked to some dude's yachtly aspirations.. Joyce Messier - "Yes -- you and I belong to the supraculture. We're common, the herd. The music on the radio, the food in the chain restaurant -- those are all too *popular* for the girl in the old-lady rags." "She prefers a fantasy world -- an *infraculture* with its own dress code and vernacular. It is an illusion, I'm afraid. There is no refuge from the supraculture." You - "I understand everything. Make it more complicated somehow." Joyce Messier - "I can't. That's how simple it is. One may dye their hair green and wear their grandma's coat all they want. Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would *critique* capital end up *reinforcing* it instead..."

[@3ZPaNH0L]

Enjoy the Disco we have you'll never get another game like it

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

11:44 Christ even as like an 8-9 year old I understood the bosses speech at the end

[@heymay724]

you underestimate the intelligence of americans

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@heymay724 wouldn't it be overestimate?

[@heymay724]

@@cyberninjazero5659 im american

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@heymay724 condolences

[@InvadeNormandy]

@@heymay724 They are Canadian. Lmfao.

[@Terramagu]

Thank you Marx and Engels.

[@cthulhuhoops]

*gamers applaud*

[@Iluvfemb0is]

the guy who said that was part of the problem

[@Somewhere_sometime_somehow]

Myself and some people i know are gutted by this news. The game is one of the best and has a remarkable history. It really feels Almost dystopian that this huge artistic AND commercial succes was not enough to be the basis for at least a 2nd game...

[@genogamma13]

Game Journos are conditioned by an abusive industry to be like: "It's OK guys, Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura, Chekov and Sulu have been discharged by Starfleet... But the Enterprise still has Kyle! They can take on any threat from any hostile forces those other losers could!"

[@orelyosif5852]

The critique of this situation is even present in Disco Elysium itself! This is so comic, it's tragic

[@MrCDM6]

Getting a fucking Fortnite ad of all things in the middle of this made me actually mad.

[@BeyondTheIslands]

I am absolutely howling at the signature left in the message about dissolution of Creative Association: Martin Luiga Tallinn Inpatient Treatment Centre of Psychiatry Clinic, Ward IX 10/1/2022

[@fishbiter9409]

I can't wait for Disco Souls.

[@IllinYanaRasputin]

UN JOUR JE SERAI DE RETOUR PRÈS DE TOI

[@kevindaydreamer]

It's like roaches get into everything.

[@Rebazar]

Ultraliberalism is a helluva drug

[@Nerevar5me]

That discussion of the ultra liberal “NFT” quest at 23:45 is amazing

[@cbhensoncbhenson5515]

I have never seen a game with a more moral imperative to pirate it in my life.

[@Shiratto]

Glad to see that the gaming industry proves once again that we can’t have nice things ever.

[@darrianweathington1923]

becoming a man of great wealth IRL is just the stock market

[@SaberRexZealot]

This is so fucked but I hope the creatives take solace in the fact that they made one of the very best games of all time. Nothing can take that away.

[@Grundleburger]

If Woolie and Pat are looking for more games criticizing capitalism they need to look at cruelty squad

[@melonowl333]

And now there's that dlc which just embodies the disconnect between zaum and the original game

[@wumbojet]

I'm not sure, but I feel like they would not get upset if people obtained disco from... "unofficial means" from now on..

[@creepdimensions2405]

Lightning in a bottle

[@urdimsum7961]

A good way to go out, fuck needless sequels, shitty live service business deals, and fuck suits. Simple as that.

[@Stitches2390]

That's disco, baby.

[@erheetrherh2659]

Why didn't they make a co-op and try the kickstarter route.

[@111cvb111]

Actual avocation to pirate the game, not a damn thing is gonna be going to the people that made it in any capacity nor will they work on any future games. So literally no reason to give them money.

[@tabbycrumch3062]

mfw the money people create Disco Elysium 2 with turn-based combat and 0 communism. Fascism is oddly still included as an ideology though and so is Moralism.

[@Iluvfemb0is]

do you feel bad that moralism is the correct answer and the rest of the ideologies are for losers?

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Major grin will soon be making his Picard/discovery edits in the vein of disco elysium, seeing as they will make the exact same mistakes

[@bearshark5941]

Anyone got a link to that manifesto?

[@tylercafe1260]

I saw this coming from a mile away when Russians were leaving comments saying "How the hell are people supposed to get this isn't a joke game from other countries? This is us. There's no way they would know this is daily life here." Which made all the Socialism and Communist and other weird dialogue hit me like a fucking train what they devs are REALLY saying.

[@discoinferno701]

It sucks it was great to be able to get a game from eastern euro communists that unlike modern progressive stuff had sympathy and a understanding of the world it didn’t really moralize to a great extent if you wanted to be a fascist you could idk the game had a real heart and humanity to it that Is hard to put into words disco elysium is up there with berserk for me for both being my favorite pieces of art/media ever it really inspires me and makes me want to one day hopefully create something as beautiful and emotional as these 2 pieces of media it’s corny but disco elysium and berserk mean a lot to me and to see both go down in the same years has been rough

[@k.-flynn]

Damn at least the game had punctuation

[@discoinferno701]

@@k.-flynn 👍

[@RavenCloak13]

@@k.-flynn No it didn't. One of the best scenes was just a stream of consciousness being spouted out.

[@k.-flynn]

@@RavenCloak13 ...the game text did literally have punctuation

[@Romancesymphony]

@@k.-flynn Agree to disagree.

[@TeapotBird]

I want a Zin-es about ske-LE-tul figgers.

[@discghoul7578]

Where can i read that Manifesto?

[@Squalidarity]

Capitalists deal in commodities, things which are by definition interchangeable and may be produced en masse. This is all they command, and so as with any hierarch, they cannot imagine anything beyond it, beyond their grasp. Just as a property developer may see no issue with paving over a wetland, believing the ecosystem may simply be “rebuilt” at a later date if desired, so it goes with the cut-throats with a knife to the neck of culture. In “Capitalist Realism”, Mark Fisher remarks upon the the general sense of apathy and dread he saw in his university students (mostly millennials). He describes them as a generation whose every taste and affect had been triangulated in advance, standardized, commoditized, and sold back to them before they even knew they wanted it. A generation for whom all culture has been zombified by capital. I’d like to think, in spite of everything that’s happened, Disco Elysium was a thorough rebuttal of that notion.

[@brandonmorel2658]

How can Elysium and it's creators be above those notions when after all the game is still a product to be sold to the masses. As revolutionary and cool and edgy as it is, the game is still part of the paradigm.

[@Squalidarity]

@@brandonmorel2658 Say what you will about DE, but it was absolutely not triangulated to anybody's taste. It exists within capitalism, yes, but its brief existence before its sublimation into the greater marketing mega-machine that is a sign that capital- or power writ large- can never hope to completely conquer culture. That genuine, novel art may yet be made. In the post-Cold War world of No Alternative, recognizing this is a revolutionary act.

[@DonUmbra2346]

We can't have nice things in this for profit world. Side note, on my first blind play through I didn't know what the political quests were, so I internalized the Ultra liberal thought simply because I was desperate for cash. I ended up with more points in Communism than Ultralib and the statue I got was covered in the white flowers and a morning veil. I honestly really liked it.

[@brandonmorel2658]

It's a cycle of birth and destruction. We live in a profit world and yet Disco Elysium happened and so many other wonderful things, ZAUM the cultural thingie were fired from their studio but that doesn't mean they can't concentrate their creative efforts elsewhere. PS I also went centrist/liberal in my first playthrough and then I realized I got played by Messier and effectively fucked the union and the people that relied on it. Fun Times.

[@arthurjohnstone7248]

Pirate disco 2.

[@shanemcnelis2667]

Does ZA/UM still have the rights to Disco Elysium? Is there no way for the devs to get their IP back?

[@k.-flynn]

Ok yeah it's poetic and kinda funny and perfectly appropriate how ZA/UM died off, but like... this actually does motivate me to end capitalism in some way, because this cannibalism and destruction of literally anything positive in the world that could possibly make 1 extra cent is fucking infuriating to just let slide.

[@Namasknight]

Even the critiques of capital will be subsumed and eventually bolster capitalism. It's fucking beautiful baby.

[@RavenCloak13]

And you won't because this same off the deep end capitalism has made your life greater then the kings of old. Between death and inconvenience you would rather not exist at all.

[@k.-flynn]

@@RavenCloak13 mere inconvenience, huh? Companies like Nestle, Coke, Exxon, and Foxconn forcibly and lethally steal resources, starve populations, kill workers, employ paramilitaries, poison the population en masse, forge scientific studies, assassinate government leaders, manually slaughter whole species to extinction, and play with countries to start wars. Were the billions dead by a simple inadequacy to stock value given your strawman choice, or was freedom ripped from their hands by power, capital, greed, and flaccid government? You may claim there's nothing better, you may throw up your hands and cry about communism or monarchy or social democracy, or you'll probably just ignore it out of fear and laziness. But when the Earth is a fried ball in 50 years because of the economic system you prostrated in front of, then your corpse can have the freedom of inconvenience.

[@SaulGoodman3D2049]

@@RavenCloak13 I don't know how this gets repeated so often when it's so obviously wrong but I guess that also applies to a lot of different supposedly "wise" sayings. Like no, living in an economy in which with 3 jobs a person is barely able to afford a 1 story 2 bedroom house that they have to split the rent with 3 other people to stay in doesn't make for a standard of living superior to an ancient king's.

[@RavenCloak13]

@@SaulGoodman3D2049 It does when you don't need to do that and go on welfare. Not to mention most of those people your talking about fuck up and don't know how to budget and are stupid because the schools and their parents made them stupid thinking the schools would teach them while the school didn't teach them shit and legit KZbin is a better teacher. Why the fuck you think the US has an obesity problem even though said "obesity" is just slightly overweight. We objectively live better then kings. We have electricity, people barely pay rent anyway because whose going to kick you out? Fuckers making drugs and making hand over fist got busted for not paying rent for 2 years. Get out of here with people have problems paying rent. No, what people have problems with is expectation vs reality because again, didn't learn shit. You don't know what your talking about and just think every poor person doesn't deserve to be poor. News flash, lot of these fuckers (that I fucking know personally) caused themselves to be in the situation they are in and crab rules they pull others down. My fucking brothers are perfect examples of this. Ones got a high paying job, eats through 1000 dollars of food a week cause he's fat. The other doesn't pay taxes because he works off grid, spends it on booze and drugs. Fuck you.

[@WhenTheSunLordsFell]

“zeen”

[@TheRandomYoYo]

How does one even broach a game like Life is strange or Disco Elysium as a TV show. You cannot. It's not just the story itself that makes it a unique and intriguing experience. It's everything. It's the hard moments where you really consider loading a save, but even if you could, you decide not to and just run with it. See where the rabbit hole goes. The choices and the Esprit de Corps with the character you are seeing the story through. The only way is to showcase the worst or best endings possible. You could very much make an interactive show like Bandersnatch, but that takes a lot of effort, and still would not feel the same as just playing the game. Not to mention the political agenda. They wanna bring something that has been extremely popular because it was not afraid of individuality, and caustic takes, into the mass of the first world where you can't bring in race at any point lest it upset some 20% of the viewers. They can't allow someone who is a hardened communist live and actually be content with himself survive in the show. Or an ultraliberal. In the show they need to pay, despire the fact that their existence in the game is there to SPITE the player's vies as Harry. Something the player could perceive in such a harsh way just being there, and there is nothing you can do about it. Like the Racist Lorry Driver, or Measurehead. They can't exist in a show made by Amazon, or netlifx. They would grate at the backs of Light Bending Investors.