The Slow, Tedious, Excruciating, Twitter Based Death of the Author | Castle Super Beast Clips

[@wumbojet]

Watching this back, it's funny that Pat slipped the "despite marrying one" here but nobody noticed until the ultimate bit was revealed

[@Jimbo55151]

Oh GOD I just realized that Rowling and the play saying hermione is black means that she wrote an entire subplot framing a black girl being mad about slavery as a comic relief subplot where said character is ridiculed and laugh at for it and called a bitch…

[@AuspexAO]

That's actually pretty funny...

[@boanoah6362]

Worse yet is when you realize that she's being ridiculed for it because the slaves ENJOY IT! So much so that they basically kill themselves if they can't be slaves...

[@king_big_pp]

Average Joanne Moment

[@thegoodtypeofrealism9254]

I adore how Pat's go to hyperbole for someone turning out to be evil is "you find them eating a baby"

[@Biscotum]

Mainly because that's the name of the trope. Eating a baby is when a villain does something ridiculously, cartoonishly evil to really hammer home the point that they're EVIL.

[@anonymous71207]

@@Biscotum but what if it's a drakengard baby

[@iller3]

it's a rather sensitive trope due to the history of an entire people it was employed against. I wouldn't personally go there.

[@whiteblacklight9603]

It's the only tenet of his goblin morality that happens to overlap with humans', but in his case it's probably because he thinks babies taste bad and get his tum tums sick.

[@thelaughingrouge]

@@anonymous71207 In soviet Drakengard, baby eat you!

[@PerpetualDaydreamer]

On a wholly different, lighter note, Pat yelling about Paige drinking pickle brine was the perfect spot to cut off this segment

[@Abdega]

There’s no way her teeth are natural now with what she eats and drinks They have to be veneers or something

[@Azmodeus87]

Best ending i've seen of of anything this month.

[@Mr.Faust3]

That’s love I tell you, she drinks something absolutely disgusting and he’s still willing to kiss her

[@Azmodeus87]

@@Mr.Faust3 "You like people for their strong points. You love people in spite of their flaws." A quote i heard some time ago, forgot where.

[@Mr.Faust3]

@@Azmodeus87 Venom 2

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

JK is really proud to see her vision in video digital form. Because it's strictly made from binary.

[@thegoodtypeofrealism9254]

Fuck that's a really good one

[@HyggeState]

Too Basic.

[@chellejohnson9789]

That explains the ebook push I guess

[@El_Legante]

*Laughs is SSD*

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

@@El_Legante SSD is where you can't get cancelled edition because it's non-volatile

[@pyropoyo]

Saw a tweet a bit ago about how Harry is so extremely well off thanks to his parents but he never does dick all with his fortune, to the point when he starts thinking about getting a hot new broomstick his escaped convict uncle had to buy him the thing, instead of Harry just grabbing it himself. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand beyond Harry Potter. I just thought this was funny.

[@music79075]

lmfao

[@billicatato-9441]

Thats because jk wrote the whole rags to riches cinderella fantasy and just kinda forgot lmao

[@pyropoyo]

@@billicatato-9441 Harry Potter Rags to Riches speed run trust-fund%. Helping the Weasley's loses you time so you just accept Mrs. Weasley's initial refusal and never bring it up again.

[@mootang]

Hell yea, and everytime Rowling try to emphasize that the Weasley is dirt poor or Harry did sone shit that fucked up their financial situation even more. I don’t remember Harry open his coffer to help them. Literally the only time he use his money was like the first time he met Ron and bought all the snack for him and that’s it.

[@michaelgjrjvebs]

I wanna say he doesn't have full access to it until he becomes of age(last book, but then he can't exactly get to it because of wizard hitler). But it's been over a decade since I read the books so I could be wring

[@NimbulousVerbage]

"Conan the Libertarian" great description of Sword of Truth

[@Scrythe]

This clip has aged like fine wine now that JKR has entered her Holocaust-denial arc.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Oh wow!!

[@LaffyTaffy04]

The Rurouni Kenshin fandom appreciate the shout out. We hate it here. We should've picked a different manga back in 1994. Should've stuck with Yu Yu Hakusho and Captain Tsubasa.

[@antthefool7637]

Ah man that’s rough buddy

[@Lazypackmule]

Thank fuck the "Rurouni Kenshin fandom" contains very few canadian brains

[@ExtraVictory]

Dunno, I was born abroad in Japan and I dont think the rourouni kenshin fandom has many brains anywhere lmao. Not because of the CP, (though clearly he should have stuck to lolicon.) It's just not a very good manga to begin with, as far as I can tell. Massively overrated, for having the kind of reputation & sales it does. until shishio (I think, its the 100% burned arc boss with the sexy girlfriend) started fighting on a time limit and sent vibes so threatening it actually made me care for the first time But then it fell off (again) with the weirdly young and old master. At a stretch, maybe it was cool to see Kenshin stay true & never pass on his sword style, consigning it to oblivion Then again, the manga is also substantially older than me, so maybe it's just generational appeal

[@MisterVeeg]

It'd be a little easier to exercise Death of the Author if you couldn't set a damn clock by "Oh, it's a new quarter, time for a hilariously bad take or piece of lore *nobody* wanted or asked for" for this particular author, yes.

[@Michael-bn1oi]

It's as easy as ever. Nothing the author says matters. Never did, never will.

[@charleswisconsin9196]

@@Michael-bn1oi technically nothing really matters at all.

[@Jimbo55151]

Or if said author owned every piece of media and still made money from each and every thing related to it

[@thomaslavitola7789]

I can take that but not the fact that the money and influece that autor has because of his fans is used to support hate groups like jk is doing lovecraft i can take because he is death buried and not giving money and attention to the tea party movement as i assume someone of his opinions would do

[@thomaslavitola7789]

I hope this doesnt comes off as preachy because i was trying to put foward my way of seeing it without putring down your problem with te author

[@Dac85]

Sword of Truth, where the protag has a weird habit of getting kidnapped by women and dommed before domming back.

[@Michael-bn1oi]

Hey, he "loved" at least one after all that sexual abuse and torture. The really angry sword told me so.

[@AzureAiluren]

@@Michael-bn1oi it was the only way he could get to murder her (as he kissed her, naked, symbolically innocent)

[@danielyoung6778]

Makes sense considering he was an ayn rand fan tbh. Basically just weird sexual pathology pretending to be a worldview.

[@BlueMarsalis]

Yikes

[@charleswisconsin9196]

taken at face value that doesn't sound so bad.

[@XShrike0]

One of the Sword of Truth books has the MC destroy a Communist kingdom by secretly running a capitalist market with only one cart. The tipping point was when he made a beautiful not government-sanctioned statue, displayed it, and immediately destroyed it.

[@ISayEssays]

Not going to lie, your synopsis has made me interested...

[@NevetsTSmith]

I remember that. It wasn't until years later that I had the same moment Pat described. The books seemed to get even worse over time. Pages long monologues of a character repeating in several different ways why they are right and moral and rational, and the bad guys wrong, evil and foolish.

[@XShrike0]

​@@ISayEssays this was many books in and what little sublty there was, was getting stripped away. I think the MC wasn't even trying to over throw the government. I don't think there was even any resistance to what he was doing. I think the Big Bad Guy might have even purposely let MC loose in his kingdom to try to prove to the MC that his rule was the correct way. I don't think this was even the main story. It was the B story that was going on while his girlfriend/wife was having her own struggles.

[@XShrike0]

@@NevetsTSmith almost every antagonist was almost comically evil. They couldn't just have a differing worldview. They had to be rapists, slavers, pedophiles, etc. I quit reading them after like the second or third half-brother, that turned up, was also evil. What was the deal with that? All of the MC's half-siblings were evil.

[@steelemimbs877]

Can't forget the book where Fantasy Bill and Hillary Clinton trick Fantasy Black People into voting for them, and then die of Fantasy STDs.

[@MrPossessed]

This entire conversation is just another example of why I prefer my authors and creators to be neurotic recluses. The less I know about you, the more I can appreciate the work itself. Unless you're Yoko Taro, in which case it doesn't matter because you're an incomprehensible master troll, but I digress. All I know is if I ever got anything published, I'd hope to become known outside my work the same way J.D. Salinger was - by accidentally setting my house on fire and still refusing to leave.

[@SeruraRenge11]

Or at the very least, be one of those assholes that is so consistently an asshole that people can't accept anything other than "love it or leave it" like Chris Burden who famously took a news anchor hostage with a knife fto demand the pre-taped interview be live, then had a normal interview. Then after he asked for a tape of the live footage, then burned it right then and there.

[@nathanieltodd5767]

Bill Watterson just going 'yeah I'm wrapping up calvin and hobbes and going to go live in the woods' ages better and better every day.

[@MrPossessed]

@@nathanieltodd5767 Yes! Bill Watterson was actually EXACTLY who I was thinking about when I posted this comment. Calvin and Hobbes remains pure to me specifically because he refused the merch gravy train and told the press to fuck off. He's one of the gold standard of "What, my work wasn't good enough for you on its own? *Go away.*" He's only ever done one or two interviews, and they were basically about his thoughts about webcomics and the changing from print to digital, because he's so scarce they couldn't AFFORD to waste time asking him about politics and junk like that.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@MrPossessed Shame what happened to him in terms of trademark and all that though.

[@stevenbarnes6577]

Kentaro Miura is a perfect example, my man has like 3 interviews

[@Mir_Teiwaz]

As someone who is a fan of Kenshin I didn't suddenly decide hate the IP, but I did decide to *stop supporting it*.

[@XShrike0]

What happened with that creator?

[@liannova2785]

@@XShrike0 He got caught watching CP I think.

[@thegoodtypeofrealism9254]

@@XShrike0 He was caught owning child pornography

[@MapleFried]

@@liannova2785 Not just watching, he had terabytes of it on a hard drive.

[@crimsonsamurai77]

Same. Still love the series and have all the manga (from ages ago) but I won't touch anything new around it. Sad too cause I've heard good things around the movies.

[@_FimbulWinters]

When Pat said "Especially George RR Martin but thats just so he'll write a goddamn book", I lolled so hard xD

[@billvolk4236]

The death of the author is the stance that authors can't tell you what their books mean and that all statements about the book outside of the book should be ignored. If they wanted their book to mean a certain thing, they should have put that in the text. It has nothing to do with the ethical ramifications of buying their work, which is a completely different can of worms.

[@dontnerfmebro8052]

Eh, thats disingenuous. Death of The Author theory can be used modernly as a substantial critique about supporting an author or their ethics. It can be used to support listening to the smiths, and still hate Morrisey. In Harrry Potter, for example, death of the author implies that it doesnt matter if the author SAYS the goblins arnt suppose to be antisemetic, they can still be clearly characterized as such, so you can use that as a valid reading for not supporting Harry Potter. But yeah its not when the author is literally dead.

[@TheAtlasReview]

@@dontnerfmebro8052 The problem is that Death of the Author asserts that all interpretations are valid and just as meaningful as authorial intent, which isn't true. I could write a thesis on why The Longest Yard is an allegory for the 1926 General Strike, but it wouldn't make it true.

[@Rnar_]

Thank you! Everyone who wants to invoke Death of the Author I beg you please read the essay first. It's only like 6 pages long, I believe in you

[@Michael-bn1oi]

@@TheAtlasReview you could write a thesis, and then it would be up to people to determine how valid it is. Just doing something doesn't mean it is good or that anyone likes it or that it is correct. It means the texts supports itself. Write that thesis, back it up with the text, and I'll say good job.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@TheAtlasReview No, it explicitly doesn't state that, that's what people misreading the theory believe. Barthes was explicitly postmodern and created the concept of Death of the Author as a post-structuralist argument to effectively say "most writers are not as smart as you think they are, don't assume that everything they're saying actually contributes to their intent". It's not that authors don't have intent at all or that the intent should be discounted. While discussing a story by Honoré de Balzac through a very close reading, Barthes simply noted how in the act of writing a complex work, Balzac's voice as author diffuses into multiple planes, so that one cannot know from reading closely if the narrative voice, character voice, and plot voice truly expresses the author's perspective; one cannot necessarily extract insight into Balzac's own thoughts, viewpoints, and beliefs from the work through such a reading, especially considering that Balzac had been dead for over a century. For Barthes, the act of writing allows the author to lose some of his conscious self and that for a work to be enjoyed, a reader has to project some of his own thoughts and views. It's saying "what you took from your reading probably isn't true and it's certainly not intentionally on the author's behalf, but that doesn't change its impact on you as a reader. Authors are human after all and it's rather elitist to think they wrote everything with a perfect vision in mind." I'm sure even Goethe had times when he was just yammering on without actually making a point, just as I'm sure that Barthes himself must've said at least once "wait, that's not what I meant" even though he coined the concept that runs counter to that.

[@TheAldriko]

Seeing this just makes me relieved that I blanket ignored all of JK's existence after the first time I heard about Gay Dumbledore. I remember thinking after I first heard about that "....okay. It literally never came up in the story and has no effect on it at all except for like, 2 lines in the entire series. Good for him?" And then I just moved on with my life

[@yellow242]

@somethingdiabolical3894 fuckin what bro?

[@slammermchammer]

​@somethingdiabolical3894what the fuck are you even talking about. Bro is having a schizo rant to nobody, screaming into the void

[@cottonmouthaudio5041]

What particularly egregious is that every time any Harry Potter news comes out JK makes sure to remind people of her beliefs within minutes. It's like every time Jim Carry did an interview he reminds people about his anti-vax period.

[@god47398]

@beef business no, people just like to pretend he isnt bc that shitty sonic movie was popular

[@YadonTheCat]

@@god47398 damn it

[@6packproductions710]

But…celebrities do this all the time. It’s just when you disagree that it’s terrible.

[@sirlimen333]

Oh, so just like Pat and Woolie whenever anything happens in their lives.

[@turkish8969]

@@god47398 "its only bad when celebrities have beliefs i disagree with"

[@Charredasperity]

When an author says or does something screwed up once, it's expected people will choose to overlook it and chalk it up to being something in the past that they might have grown from after. When an author says it EVERY DAY and literally campaigns and throws money behind it, and people still overlook it, that's some advanced denial at best, and more likely silent support.

[@Charredasperity]

Also thinking about a guy I met with a full-arm Mindless Self Indulgence tattoo and how he feels about that one now...

[@rembrandtbrown6450]

@@Charredasperity Oh god, what did Urine do? Holy shit...

[@SuccubiPie]

@@Charredasperity When you type their name and the suggested results are 'cancelled' and 'problematic.' Boy this is gonna be a wreck I can feel it.

[@turkish8969]

im confused, what did JKR do again? the only thing i think of is that she wanted to re write the books and said a bunch of characters were gay for some reason, even though they arent that way in the books.

[@Charredasperity]

@@turkish8969 funneled a crapton of money into a movement to essentially make it illegal to be transgender in the UK

[@vaancor2955]

As someone who dedicated nearly a decade of there life to being a Blizzard Fan (WoW and other products) who saw the reaction and pains fellow fans went through when the awfulness of the company finally popped like an ugly pimple a few years ago, it's fascinating watching fans of other mediums dealing with similar problems of having works they based a significant part or quality of there life on having awful people involved making it and having to come to terms with it.

[@nobody3327]

@@KGhaleon I, too, love to look down on others for common expressions of basic empathy. My dude, look. If you're here, you're most likely old. I'm old. Woolie and Pat are old. Caring about how people are treated, including speaking out about said treatment, is only taboo if you're still stuck in your edgelord phase and are mad everyone matured because now you feel all judged. Why else would you leave this whiny ass insult in response to a totally measured comment? Boo hoo, some people have trouble with death of the author. We have mortgages now, Jimmy, we don't pretend like public shit like this only affects the small amount of people directly involved and that public responses don't have ripple effects that can trigger change. If you weren't projecting your butthurt, you would have reacted like a well-adjusted adult and gone "well I can still support them, but I understand why others can't" and moved on instead of being so emotionally constipated you tell on yourself. I can personally still play Blizzard games, but because I'm an adult I don't throw a tantrum and randomly insult someone for leaving a totally measured comment where they say they feel differently from me and how they enjoy parsing how other people faced with a similar issue respond. Grow up.

[@ValdVincent]

It is funny to me seeing people like you compare numerous sexual assaults and shitty work environments, to one author not supporting trans.

[@terraemiya8448]

Thanks for pouring out one for us Kenshin fans Woolie.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

God I hate that author so much, why did you have to ruin such a good story with memorable characters?

[@mazder360]

The voice crack from Pat in the last 2 seconds was incredible

[@prog00017]

The timing of the end of this clip is honestly perfect. Masterful even.

[@AirYosukekun]

The discussion around JK and Harry Potter is always kind of a curious one, because it feels like JK wishes she could release video game style patches into her old books. I’ve never seen an author treat their works that way. The closest I can think of is Toriyama, but in his case it’s that he forgot a lot of information from the early days of Dragon Ball as opposed to JK who will just say random shit about Harry Potter’s universe that was clearly never true and the words on the page are against her. Even if the TERF stuff didn’t exist, that alone makes it difficult and slightly embarrassing to be an enjoyer of the original books.

[@Michael-bn1oi]

Many books have had changed done in new editions over the years, but it involves working out a new publishing deal. So if she really cared she would have just changed it years ago. But there is 0% chance she is giving up any money for that to happen lol

[@thewizardninja]

George Lucas literally patches his movies on rerelease.

[@AirYosukekun]

This is why I say more of a patch. Cuz patching on a rerelease is more like a remaster than a patch. JK doesn't want to do a rerelease of her books, she just wants to change the context.

[@danielyoung6778]

It's like Lucas with star wars. Both maybe began their careers with possibly larger artistic intentions but achieved great success for works that were at their core escapist fluff for kids that became absurdly popular for some reason. Now absurdly rich and carrying the weight of that work they cannot work outside of it (imo neither really have anything substantive to offer outside their one thing so no loss) and so they just spend the rest if their lives tinkering with it in a bubble of yes men.

[@rembrandtbrown6450]

@@thewizardninja Ma Clunkey.

[@danherondraws]

I love that scream at the end, people should have that much passion to achieve something like that in their lives :3

[@Peannlui]

Time to start reading the Discworld books, lads.

[@XShrike0]

It was hilarious when the British TERFs tried to claim him.

[@ganryusasaki]

Do it cowards, it's worth it.

[@RavenCloak13]

Actually I have been seeing people say Discworld and Terry Prachett are problematic do to the stuff people see as TERF view points along side Good Omens.

[@thegoodtypeofrealism9254]

God, those books are all a treasure

[@XShrike0]

@@RavenCloak13 like what? Monstrous Regiment by itself is anti TERF. I think it was Thud! also had similar themes.

[@slimybean]

When I was a teen I really liked a band called Lost Prophets. That was an early and brutal as fuck lesson to never invest in any brand so deeply that you're unable to cut it out of your life.

[@BiggusDickusTheFourth]

Still pissed af at the lead singer; obviously mostly because of the child molestation, but the dude nuked his band mates too...

[@slimybean]

@@BiggusDickusTheFourth Yeah even when it first came out I felt sorry for them. They were the ones who he betrayed the most.

[@NickChinchill]

I remember Lost Prophets. What a fall out that was :c

[@kattastic9999]

Had to look that up and Oh Boy

[@LieutenantAlaki]

That was my first experience with "creator I like turns out to be a terrible person", and with the "holy shit this guy's a sex offender" variant in particular. Only ever was the most casual of casual fans, but casually scrolling through KZbin vids for Start Something one day and noticing what was going on in the comments still hit like a truck. Can't imagine what it was like for people who were superfans, who saw their concerts, who had all their albums, who slathered their bedroom walls in merch...

[@1wayroad935]

I love how the clip still fits Paige's pickle water drinking thing

[@LieseFury]

@AntChodeny probably shouldn't be getting boners over internet women who aren't making porn anyway. creepy.

[@quicksilver36]

@@LieseFury TIL You can't think that women who aren't doing porn are hot.

[@1wayroad935]

@@LieseFury If you really think so, then you need to Touch Grace

[@deslacooda]

Has anyone notified Pat of the existence of pickle juice snow cones? Tell him to hook up Paige with a shaved ice machine and watch the fun/mess.

[@cerdgold225]

@AntChodeny I am remminded of 'How I met yout mother' hotness to crazy ratio

[@PerpetualDaydreamer]

"The active, on-going harm" is a great way to summarize the issue. Especially with HP but also in general with creative works. Because, yeah, the entire discussion of ethical consumption is basically the Spiderman pointing meme of "pot, meet kettle," and it's foolish to pretend it isn't. However, that doesn't mean you can just outright ignore the problems being caused by creators with an active presence. You have to think about it and what it means for you.

[@zachalmighty7104]

You can totally ignore or brush it all off, people do everyday, please tell me more how you care so much about the slaves who put together your smartphone.

[@MsieurScratch]

@@zachalmighty7104 Like they said, you think about it and what it means for you. You can't avoid owning a phone in most field of work, while you can avoid buying one video game.

[@C_Kiri]

Saw a post once that resonated with me pretty good which started and ended with just, 'The idea of no ethical consumption under capitalism is pointing at things required to function in society. It's not a justification for directly giving money to someone putting in active effort to make my loved ones stop existing because you enjoy the funny wizards.' And like. Yeah. I in fact will hate somebody's fucking guts if you care too much about the mediocre fictional wizards to acknowledge the person behind them is actively funding and lobbying the lynching of my closest friends and loved ones. You rescinded your right to not be trash when you jumped in the dumpster.

[@iller3]

It's not "ongoing harm" if people are actively choosing to subject themselves to it by turning their phones on and seeking it out on Twitter. The _Drama_ is coming from inside of the house at that point. Stop inviting it in, just to have more things to feel Persecuted over

[@Abdega]

@@C_Kiri “funding and lobbying the lynching of my closest friends” I dropped off of this when JK was being snobby about “people who menstruate” tweets, what’s this about lynching?

[@Jhylla81]

When the Kenshin thing happened, I was pissed. I haven't touched the series since, and although I still own the manga series, its stuck in a box somewhere never to see the light of day. It sucks because I liked his works, but fuck that guy.

[@jacksypher3403]

4:38 Berserk is fucked up and enjoyable. At least for some people.

[@zachalmighty7104]

Berserk is god tier.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@zachalmighty7104 Everyone can enjoy Beserk, you might have skip a few bits if you're under 18.

[@deconyus3412]

Remember, only stab your partner romantically if your stand users. Otherwise its considered assault and battery

[@Coconut-219]

"Rage against the machine man!" - "But YOU ARE THE MACHINE!" "oh..."

[@turkish8969]

"DOWN WITH DA GOVERNMENT, MAANNN." "every single corperate interest group and government official that matters is on your side" "thats not true!!!!!" the amount of conversations ive had that went EXACTLY like this is astonishing. maybe democracy isnt cool!

[@charleswisconsin9196]

@@turkish8969 voting is cool.

[@turkish8969]

@@charleswisconsin9196 the average IQ in america is only 100. voting is NOT cool. not everyone should have a right to vote.

[@jamesm7324]

Rage with the machine

[@HoChiMints2007]

Hitokiri Battosai: Yeah I quit being a shinsengumi because they refused to lower the consensual age

[@DarkKnight6six6]

Woolie: mentions Kenshin Me: Ouch, my childhood

[@LadyViolet1]

There's the idea of the death of the author where the author is disregarded when talking about the work, and also the idea of what I call "the author is the word of god" where people take an author's statements about their work as gospel (even on twitter for example). I find both these approaches pretty flawed. I think thinking of what the author's thinking at the time of writing is important, but what they think or say in public after the fact is not always true to what they actually wrote or thought at the time, intentional or not. Which means that at times you can analyze a work and an author's situation at the time of writing to get a better idea of what they actually meant in their work; whereas if you ask them they might not even remember.

[@thegoodtypeofrealism9254]

I fall way more in line with the word of god thing, but if the things the author adds are stupid i am fully capable of tossing it in the trash.

[@matilyn_rf]

It's extra funny with Harry Potter cuz even just within the books it's hilariously horrible, but the quality of the fictional world upsets me less than the HP universe directly financing a TERF agenda

[@leithaziz2716]

While true to an extent, there are books there are written in a way where the reader fills in the gaps, an element that author never meant to have definitive answers for (maybe he himself didnt know either). You see this a lot in songs, where the lyrics can be vagure enough to be interpreted differently depending on the person. Allthough I completely get where you're coming from. My point is that depending on how the narrative is framed, the author's stance isn't always a factor that matters, and maybe that's for the best with stuff like this. (FYI, I've never read a single Harry Potter book and not trying to defend anyone. I just thought to bring up that perspective.)

[@DaBoweh]

Toriyama is a good example for this, on the not remembering front. Imagine taking toriyama's modern remarks under the same light as JK's rewrites and that means half the dragonball cast just never existed, because he forgot them.

[@slifer875]

the greatest example is dragon ball, the manga that toriyama and torishima made called dragon ball from 1984 to 1995 its the only canon dragon ball, the anime its only an adaptation with liberties taken by the studio, the movies are just promotional material for the anime and the anime was only a commercial for the manga, GT and super are only creations made by TOEI with toriyama minimal involvement to create more merchandise. I ignore everything he says in the interviews and his awful retcons in recent years, not only was the manga made by a team effort with his editor but he is clearly a different person now that barely remembers this one manga that he made. Not only does the recent stuff he pulls out of his ass is awful but goes against his original theme and message, i am looking at you Minus.......

[@Abdega]

15:30 Koichi liked Yukako because he was under the influence of 「Cinderella」 ! Koichi was 「STAND ROOFIED」 Tags: Mindbreak?

[@TheJadedJames]

Just imagine if this game dropped literally at any point before 2017 or so and JK Rowling was just kind of silly in Twitter, but still the beloved creator of a generation defining work. You could laugh it off because she wasn’t out as prejudiced in anyway (and really the movies kind of gloss over stuff from the books that has probably helped her reputation too) Because it really looks like the definitive HP game that should have come out by now. Also, the game will still probably do fine because Twitter isn’t real life and the mainstream doesn’t know or care whatever she says on there

[@Fanofanime111]

Trans people were noting JKR liking/rting terf shit during 2017. Cis people could just ignore it because she hadn't written an essay yet.

[@TheJadedJames]

@@Fanofanime111 I don't think I heard my first piece of "Rowling liked a Tweet by someone problematic on Twitter" discourse until shortly before that weird manifesto. So yeah .... at the very least, this probably could have come out then without the scrutiny it will inevitably face now

[@charleswisconsin9196]

@@Fanofanime111 could you use any more buzzwords?

[@Fanofanime111]

@@charleswisconsin9196 Yes.

[@shupasopni]

@@charleswisconsin9196 What buzzwords?

[@sayonarakid]

Kenshin fans had it rough? Ren & Stimpy fans: Hold my beer. One thing is to download pics of teenage girls. Another is to actually have relationships with a bunch of them. Ren & stimpy creator story is beyond disturbing and disgusting. It was a very sad day when I discovered it... Also just remebered that the Atack on Titan creator is a fascist and gives money to japanese right wing extremists

[@roflcopter_launchpad1116]

15:30 I fucking knew that stabbing line would bring out the Koichi thing.

[@XyerDark]

"Fictional stabbing behaviour" is probably the best phrase to summarize this whole debate imo, at the end of the day a fictional work is a fictional work, even if it was the most objective thing in existence, or a retelling of a real life event, it'd be still stupid to try and get some sense of morality out of it, because it's simply not real, even if it were based on something that is. Judging someone's work should be done purely based on the quality of it, not on how many babies were eaten by the author. And it's exactly why if HP Lovecraft was alive today I'd tell him how great his writing about crazy fish people is, as he recoils in horror at me being Italian.

[@imranicanovic1154]

That twist at the end was hilarious. But I could see it.

[@turkish8969]

i disagree. the whole point of a work of fiction should be to have a theme you can extrapolate and interpret. if a guy killed a baby in a book, you would understand thats bad. if he did the same irl, that would ALSO be bad

[@XyerDark]

@@turkish8969 Yes, but the work of fiction would remain a work of fiction regardless of if the baby killer was portrayed as the good or the bad guy. We can debate the morality of fictitious things as much as we want but they will always remain fiction, not to mention fiction doesn't necessarily need to have a theme to interpret to be one.

[@nathanieltodd5767]

I think when arguments like this get brought up there's a certain amount of each side talking past each other - nobody (ok, nobody *reasonable*) is arguing that depicting morally questionable things in fiction is in any way equivalent to committing or supporting said acts. But that doesn't mean someone can't go 'this is dumb and I want no part of it' because they feel a work handles an issue badly. Not wanting to engage with a work/support an author isn't the same as going 'I think this author should be put on trial for fictional crimes' either.

[@XyerDark]

@@nathanieltodd5767 And nobody is forcing you to like something, but we shouldn't be getting our jimmies rustled when a fictional work has untackled issues when that's not even what the fiction is meant to be about. Imagine complaining about Berserk being bad because it has a more feudal political system that doesn't really talk about doing something to free people from their serfdom, that'd be silly.

[@FrozenOver0]

Can I just say, as someone raised in a Christian home growing up, and constantly hearing people accuse my parents of wanting me to be illiterate for not letting me read this one book out of the hundreds at my local library, that the complete cultural 180 I've seen on these books, by the same generation that read them, while nothing about the books themselves has changed, has been utterly mind-blowing.

[@god47398]

its a real shift, isnt it?

[@alexanderfreeman3406]

People just love to grand-stand on moralistic high horses, don’t they?

[@vivamexico254]

Kinda fucked up hu ?

[@jordanetherington1922]

I mean yeah, people and cultures change. It's been nearly 30 years since the first book was released, after all. Most of us read the books as kids so we weren't really equipped to evaluate all the weird shady stuff in them at the time. Also let's be real, most people who have an issue with Harry Potter have an issue with JK Rowling as an author and are uncomfortable with supporting her and her transphobic views. To say it comes from "loving to morally grandstand" is a really shallow bad faith take that refuses to actually engage with the issues that at play here.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

Reason group 1- witchcraft is real it's bad and it's going to get ya. Reason group 2- the author is bad. Just read it if you want most people haven't flipped on it.

[@Kreacher3]

I wish this clip included the preceding joke Woolie made which made Pat's mind explode.

[@thegoodtypeofrealism9254]

@beef business go watch the last clip! It's in the last few minutes of that.

[@Kreacher3]

@@thegoodtypeofrealism9254 Which one?

[@XShrike0]

I saw the joke before this and was so confused.

[@thegoodtypeofrealism9254]

@@Kreacher3 The chocobo and gran turismo one.

[@Kreacher3]

@@thegoodtypeofrealism9254 I don't see it there. Are we both talking about the same joke? Bully 2?

[@marzgamingmaster]

Weirdly, this game made me stopmfollowing Angry Joe. During his year wrap-up, he went on a rant about the cowardice of gaming media for not being willing to seprate the game from the JK controversy. It was a shocking and dissapointing moment.

[@ledzeppelinfan1001]

I stopped in 2019 when he started screaming about Rise of Skywalker being "woke." Guy turned into an alt-right fuck.

[@jordanetherington1922]

Also Death of the Author is just supposed to be the idea that it is valid to analyze a text without taking an author's intent into account and only take the "text" of the work as a valid source for literary criticism. It doesn't mean that "authors don't matter" or that the "author doesn't exist". It's just saying "Okay I get that the author said the text was about A but I want to analyze this text as a commentary on B, because I think it's a good/interesting/fun way to frame a discussion."

[@theinsanewombat1899]

Modern Death of the Author basically means "I want to ignore the author" and if you want to do that for a hateful creator, you do kind of have to wait until they're dead.

[@jordanetherington1922]

@@theinsanewombat1899 what do you mean by modern death of the author? When did that change?

[@charleswisconsin9196]

@@jordanetherington1922 it's nebulous. when did "modern" man start existing? if i had to put a hard definition to it, i'd say it changed in 2005. about when the internet really became accessible.

[@Porterhaus94]

24:53 - SHE DRINKS THE BRINE! FOR FUCKS SAKE!

[@SoggyMicrowaveNugget]

This reminds me of when I discovered Guy Cihi was an absolute nutbar.

[@BlueMarsalis]

Oh God yeah lmao

[@JCdental]

"you like Dilbert?" Like wine

[@jonathanb7803]

i sorted by recent to see if i was the only one lmao

[@oldboy65637]

it always bugs me when people use "death of the author," a concept about how authorial intent or biographical info isnt/shouldnt be relevant to interpretating art, to have aaanything to do about "supporting an author" or not. no disrespect to pat or woolie, or the actual points they're making, it's just one of those terms like "emotional labor" that i wish wasnt widely misused.

[@TheJadedJames]

Yeah “Death of the Author” and “Separating Art From The Artist” are different concepts. And the big point of contention now is that people are concerned consuming media linked to Rowling is also finically supporting anti-LGBT bigotry. But there has been critical reevaluation of Rowlings work in recent years and backlash to her own statements about her work which has mixed the whole Death of the Author thing into the discourse around her too

[@pickledparsleyparty]

I watched this whole video and still don't know what's making them so upset. "That fucked up thing" is as close as they ever get to telling us what's actually the matter.

[@JeanPaul-ie4ug]

@@pickledparsleyparty Funny part about all this is, all JK Rowling said that got her cancelled was that Trans women are not Biological women, and don't have the same experiences growing up because of it

[@bishopspechulure9821]

@@pickledparsleyparty She has views on Twitter that get her in trouble. She takes the stance that the definition of "gender being a social construct" or the even more radical "gender doesn't exist" used by some trans activists is inherently detrimental to feminism because it devalues the female gender. People respond to this by saying "YOU WANT TRANS PEOPLE TO DIE YOU TRANSPHOBE". And from there on, Twitter being Twitter, she is now a Voldemort with people almost never referring to what she's actually said but instead their impression of her stances

[@dreamcatcherpone]

KING CRIMSON DELETED THE LAST TIME I WATCHED THIS

[@Mr.Faust3]

REQUIEM UNDELETED

[@Jubei66666]

Pat calling Sword of Truth standard fantasy is the most interesting thing about this whole conversation. Crazy BDSM sex tourture women don't pop up that often.

[@1Raroy]

You haven't read much fantasy have you?

[@turkish8969]

twlight. 50 shades of grey. im pretty sure gone girl was also a book. man maybe we just shouldnt let women write books, why is it always about sex?

[@duneblythe]

They really do though.

[@werewolf873]

@@turkish8969 i think that, by fantasy, he meant sword and sorcery.

[@charleswisconsin9196]

@@turkish8969 careful.

[@zigmus00A]

J.K. Rowling is such a visionary! The final battle where Harry argues gender politics with Voldemort and defeats him by defecatiing himself is my favorite moment in the whole series, and I'm so glad to finally be able to play that in my Harry Potter game!

[@WTFisTingispingis]

It was super awkward that Ron and Harry had to use a genderswap potion to access the girls' bathroom.

[@Svoorhout85]

Voldemort: Can you tell me the definition of a woman? Harry: I'm a wizard, not a biologist! *flees*

[@turkish8969]

@@WTFisTingispingis i cant believe theres a dialog option in this games demo where you can tell a hufflepuff guy that if he points his wand at his crotch and uses sectumsepra as an instant transition spell.

[@hacman8732]

Honestly this whole Twitter discourse around Harry Potter is funny it’s like people forget that the books always had slaves that wanted to be enslaved so it’s fine to maintain the institution of slavery, Jewish goblins full with secret gold the wizzards hate them for not revealing, and the only prominent Asian character having a name derived from racist word association, oh and also let’s not forget old school colonial terror tactics for the slaves with the displaying stuffed elf heads bit in order of the phoenix.

[@MegaPieru3000]

How are the goblins jews? "the only prominent Asian character having a name derived from racist word association" A company from my country, Finland, got some amount of flack for having the name "Haamu" which is a Finnish word and means ghost. But some people in the USA thought that it's some tribal word or some crap like that. Are you sure the name having some far fetched racist association is intentional?? "old school colonial terror tactics for the slaves with the displaying stuffed elf heads bit in order of the phoenix" Isn't that like... super common??

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

@@MegaPieru3000 I don't know where you live but it's exceptionally rare here for slave owners to decapitate their slaves and put them on display. Even the idea that you'd do that to a pet is incredibly morbid .

[@MegaPieru3000]

@@casanovafunkenstein5090 But when you're a bad guy in a fictional story..?

[@Stareostar]

@@MegaPieru3000 the character who does that's name is HARRY POTTER

[@Nerevar5me]

Here’s a genuine question. Can a fictional universe have bad things in them on purpose? Game of thrones have tons of bad things in them on purpose and no one wants it cancelled for that reason.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

Man I love me some lovecraftian everything... even though H.P. wouldn't be particularly nice about my uh "genes"/ existence. It would sting waaaay more if he was still alive and advocating. Teehee "you're tuning into the Lovecast I'm your host Howard P this week lets cover current events the sub nibba wraths are at it again" Imagine winning a contest to meet him in person it's like a lose lose situation if you go it's because you agree with his ideals and people will be chuffed if you don't go it's because you're ungrateful and should be fine with his ideas people will still be chuffed.

[@AwkwardKyle]

You should look up some of his letters from later in his life after he stopped publishing. He said he wished he had a picture of himself from those days so he could spit on it. His beliefs were really shifting at the end of his life.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

@@AwkwardKyle I did and he changed but only for the superior races... not exactly my race lol. "With the high-grade alien races we can adopt a policy of flexible common-sense-discouraging mixture whenever we can, but not clamping down the bars so ruthlessly against every individual of slightly mixed ancestry. As a matter of fact, most of the psychological race-differences which strike us so prominently are cultural rather than biological. If one could take a Japanese infant, alter his features to the Anglo-Saxon type through plastic surgery, & place him with an American family in Boston for rearing-without stemming him that he is not an American-the chances are that in 20 years the result would be a typical American youth with very few instincts to distinguish him from his pure Nordic college-mates. The same is true of other superior alien races including the Jew-although the Nazis persist in acting on a false biological conception." His views of the darker shades didn't change much at all. "What I was really laughing at was no Boas himself-whom I freely gave a place among the first-rate anthropologists-but the naïve way in which all n#&&%r-lovers turn to him first of all when trying to scrape up a background of scientific support. He is the only first rate living anthropologist to overlook the obvious primitiveness of the negro & the australoid, hence the equalitarian Utopians have to play him up for all he’s worth & forget the great bulk of outstanding European opinion-Boule, G. Elliot Smith, Sir Arthur Keith, &c." It's fine for him to be a bad guy it's fine if he didn't actually change (most people don't). Just don't try to white wash it. It gives me the same feeling I get when people hit me with the "oh man Robert E Lee was basically like a civil rights leader near the end of his life".

[@bishopspechulure9821]

HP Lovecraft died before you were alive he has no opinion on "your" existence in particular. Strange habit of people to take broad views and reword them to "this is how they feel about MY existence"

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

@@bishopspechulure9821 Hmmmm your point seems dumb to me. I'm basing that statement off of his public statements until the day he died. It sounds like you're upset at the idea that I'm infering his attitude towards people who look like me... based off his actual attitude towards people who look like me. I mean I could assert that we'd be buddy buddy and play videogames together... but I'd be basing that on nothing so one of these statements carries more weight than the other (whether you like it or not).

[@AwkwardKyle]

@@tarfielarchelone2674 He still had a long way to go, but that's still more than I'll ever expect to see from Rowling.

[@chellejohnson9789]

The HP in HP Lovecraft stands for Harry Potter

[@oldboy65637]

tangential, re:ruroken--i reread it a year or two ago (it was one of the few SJ series i owned all of) and i was just struck by how much of that series is every other character being in awe of kenshin's moral righteousness and profundity and the depths of his emotions. regardless of it's qualities or lack thereof as a shonen series, the reread gave me an important lesson about self-absorbtion and how superficial moral posturing is used by awful people

[@ReneeGalena]

I still think that the funniest part of all of this was how less than like 2 months ago there was this big pushback against all the people saying the goblins in Harry Potter were antisemetic caricatures, saying how ridiculous you'd have to be to say that and just looking for an excuse to get that transphobe pseudofeminist in trouble, and then the game, with her full backing went "mind if I wild out" and did... all of this. It's even funnier when you learn a lead designer (Troy Leavitt) on the project did like "Anti-SJW" vids back a few years ago

[@Jimbo55151]

Lead designer of a studio she chose right? And met with him too

[@Day100]

You can't really equate literal antisemetism to anything near Troy's views. I'm a moderate and can't say he went about it tastefully, but those opinions on gamergate and the games industry are valid for the most part. On Rowling being antisemetic, at least we can agree on that.

[@TheSeanhl]

@@Day100 Troy Leavitt is the *lead designer* on this game going more mask off than usual with the antisemitism. What in the world kind of take is this beyond you trying to play defense for a hate movement that has long since been accepted as one? Is it the whole thing where like most "moderates" you agree with the right on this on all accounts except you think they're being "uncivil" about it?

[@psychospeech6189]

He wasnt lead designer, stop spreading miss information Edit Wait looked into it further, he was lead designer but changed. Sorry matw

[@megalord2331]

Oh, they're talking about the creator of Rurouni Kenshin, Nobuhiro Watsuki. During that entire bit, I was trying to figure out what Kenshin they were talking about and was thinking they were talking about that game who's name I can now not remember.

[@MrJhound4]

Sengoku Basara's Uesugi Kenshin?

[@whatahero2337]

Woolie's reaction to: "And drink it"

[@Kevinofrepublic]

Damn. I was hoping with a re-upload the joke at the beginning would've been added

[@Nerevar5me]

Paraphrase it for us.

[@ClasticOne]

@@Nerevar5me "So I hear Bully 2 got announced? Yeah and they decided to put magic in it."

[@thegoodtypeofrealism9254]

@@Nerevar5me Woolie:"So, bully 2 got announced" Pat:"Yeah, since a while ago" Woolie:"I heard it has magic this time"

[@rembrandtbrown6450]

Orson Scott Card wrote my favorite book, I will never buy his books or give him my money because that goes towards things I don't like. Weird thing is I've read a bunch of his short story compilation books and some of his larger works and his work tends to have a very different stance on things than he does and he's also not hitting the front page of twitter with garbage every month. If JK could write outside of herself and not have her works populated with a society that seems to share her sub and not so subconscious views then this probably wouldn't have been an issue and death of an author would have still been applicable because they would have felt so entirely separate from each other. I'm glad she's not that good of a writer though because it means fewer people will giver her money, and I think that's generally a good thing.

[@NDenizen]

Orson Scott Card being anti-gay seems almost absurd when you read some of what he writes.

[@KrytenKoro]

@@NDenizen right? Fuck, the original enders game book helped me break down some of the homophobia I was raised with. Its incredibly weird that he can write such a book and still end up antigay.

[@Graysett]

OSC was the example I was gonna use as well, so thanks for saving me the time. Yeah, that weird disconnect between his writing and his personal views bothered me too when I found out about it. It was definitely the first time I realized that there can absolutely be a difference between someone's creative works and their personally expressed views, and it led me to just keeping my enjoyment of a thing completely separate from its creator. Boy has that been helpful, I'll tell you what.

[@RavenCloak13]

Problem with that process of "she's a bad writer" is that matters not. She caught lightning in a bottle, is one of the riches women in the world and like someone else pointed out in another comment the Harry Potter series made like 500 million in book sales during the lockdowns. She ALSO had one of the best fucking contracts that so few creative's have with their work that if people just breathe the word Harry Potter she makes 10 cents. Like companies actively began to make contracts so iron clad that they could get more money from the author as a direct result of how successful JK was.

[@RavenCloak13]

@@KrytenKoro Actually I don't know what you mean by this. I never read or watched the film personally but I did watch a review of the book to movie adaptation comparison by a KZbinr called Dominic Noble where he kind of breaks down how it makes sense he is anti-gay using the book without out right stating this with how he made the Indian girl go from her base character to then confirming to more traditional concepts and having kids that also makes a new religion around it along with other characters though that could be an overly woke view of the reading itself and others could have interpreted differently. Though people taking different views from even explicit stuff is nothing new. Like how Tolkien explained in stuff that he based the Orcs off Mongolian's but people interpret them as Black people analogy. Take what you will with this statement for both sides of it.

[@razorburn645]

Ooooff I felt that Kenshin remark.

[@7_fly814]

The ending of this is such an incredible curveball I gotta say.

[@haski002]

I used to love HP as a kid, but looking back at it there's a whole lot of shit in those books that are... Not great. And coupled with JK's nonsense it just makes me never want to see another HP thing again. She's openly stated the werewolves were an allegory for aids ffs. There was one that just went around deliberately spreading the werewolf infection. Who's main known victim was a young boy at the time of infection.

[@charleswisconsin9196]

that's silly. Vampirism makes way more sense as an AIDs allegory.

[@DarkestAndBlackest]

@Charles Wisconsin You just reminded me I should re-watch that Korean movie, Thirst, again. The story is basically about a dude catching vampire AIDS.

[@PR0MAN01]

Wait, why would you not drink the pickle juice? That's just being wasteful, and it's just amazing.

[@razorburn645]

I mean, at least eat the garlic.

[@Svoorhout85]

I'm sure its good for you even though I have no idea how.

[@RavenCloak13]

Thing about HP Lovecraft is... He wouldn't tweet. He was fucking scared of new technology. If he had access to the Internet... He wouldn't. Like the concept of the Internet would terrify that man. HP Lovecraft would ACTUALLY be the most non-confrontational and less toxic person in the modern times cause his opinions would just be with himself and you'd only see it through his books. You'd never get tweets from that man. Also that head dev who left work on Harry Potter had some of the most... Milk toast right wing comments on his KZbin that was like 5 years old at that point that I really can't say he was anything as bad like say Opreha Winfrey and everything she did. Wait, what's wrong with drinking pickle juice? I would just drink kimchi juice like it was chilli pepper water all the time and isn't that comparable?

[@franzhopper7631]

Didn't Lovecraft become less racist as time went on and was disgusted by his previous views? It's a shame he died when he did because I want to believe he could become a much better person if he lived.

[@thegoodtypeofrealism9254]

@@franzhopper7631 He did, a lot less than what people make it out to be, but he did. I'm sad he didn't live enough to fully rid himself of those views, as someone who loves his work, i would have loved to read a book written with his new mindset.

[@Mr.Faust3]

HP love-craft remarried and his new wife kinda mostly undid his racist views he became more self aware he however was still HP Lovecraft

[@RavenCloak13]

@@thegoodtypeofrealism9254 Probably wouldn't have been as good. The bases of his books were literally around his prejudice, fears and mental state of not liking change. Taking away that stuff would lose it because he would be learning to NOT be that and try and have a more open mind. Though I do remember that The Shadow Over Innsmouth has a weird meta thing where a shop owner just admitted he was racist so like, that was weird.

[@RavenCloak13]

@@Mr.Faust3 I mean, he would still HATE the concept of Twitter. Especially the original which was Tumblr. He would still be pretty private in just no wanting to talk to people. So like, hey, he is at least not spewing sewage at people like what Twitter is now who... honestly I feel like they are WORSE then Lovecraft.

[@gilolaes4725]

Even outside of all the politics surrounding JK Rowling, I'm just surprised at how much defense Rowling gets gets despite how...little cultural significance she's had over the last decade. Everything post Deathly Hallows (and *maybe* The Cursed Child?) has been either mediocre at best or barely involved Rowling.

[@winterfire567]

Because the generation that grew up with those books is full of people turned that world into their entire personalities. To them, she's the god who created their world. They worship the ground she walks on, and she can do no wrong. Any attack against her is an attack against Happy Potter, and by proxy an attack against them. So they lash out because they don't want to see their world crumble around them. It doesn't matter how mediocre or how involved Joanne is with the creative process, they'll defend it just because it's got her name attached somewhere in the periphery.

[@iller3]

I didn't even know who the hell Rowling was until all these Twitter hipsters went on a crusade against her. I think I remember seeing all of 20 minutes of one of the movies that she probably wasn't even directly involved in, and just hating what a fan fiction mess I was seeing. ...but damn, if those Hipsters didn't end up dragging all the rest of us Nonpartisans into a stupid debate too by attacking the very principles of free speech. ...that's just how Proxy wars work.

[@LieseFury]

@@iller3 no more mgs2 for you. go outside.

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@iller3 Exactly right. I grew up with HP, but I also out-grew it. It was a wonderful gateway drug into fantasy though. I don't give a rats ass about Rowling, other than a source of financial inspiration ("Hey, maybe someday I'll write something and become the second billionaire author.") What I care about is freedom of speech. People are allowed to have opinions, and continue to be treated as people. Their opinions shouldn't be tied into their livelyhood, or their peace of mind. And yes, that goes ALL the way. I don't care if people have literal shrines to Charlie Chaplin's evil twin, as long as they aren't doing anything to effect others, leave them alone. The minute they ACT on that, THEN we can put them in the gulag where they belong.

[@rembrandtbrown6450]

@@TheDapperDragon Rowling acts on her beliefs and uses her influence to push her agenda consistently. She isn't a victim she is afflicted by the repercussions of her own actions and people are fully allowed to voice their own opinions and choose to not give her money for whatever reason they choose. This is nothing new, boycotting has existed since at least the 1800's and decrying the views of others is much older than that, these should be rather important societal freedoms to everyone. This isn't an attack on the very principles of free speech, this is literally part of it. You can say your shitty opinions and I can say my shitty opinions and we can both get flak for it, that's freedom of speech. It's a great thing, but it's also sometimes horrible because I get to see stupid ass takes like yours.

[@Space_Pirate_Buzaso]

It all comes back to the Koichi and Yukako debate.

[@CureOptimismForHumanity]

The first and only time I felt the consequences of some piece of media I like is when I was getting a haircut from a black hairdresser, and as we were making small talk, music came up. I said I liked all sorts of music, but I really like 'black metal'. It was then that I learned black metal has all these negative associations with neo-nazis and the ultra far-right. It made things awkward for a brief moment, but that was the only time something like that happened.

[@charleswisconsin9196]

i thought you were gonna say she assumed you meant metal music made by black people.

[@CureOptimismForHumanity]

@@charleswisconsin9196 Lol I wish

[@theosb7271]

In what universe is black metal associated with far right stuff? Christians and republicans HATE metal. They call it devil music.

[@CureOptimismForHumanity]

@@theosb7271 A lot of them are neo-pagans nazi occultists or satanists who hate Christianity and all religion. There's actually a huge scene in eastern europe I didn't know about. Kinda stained the reputation of black metal.

[@theosb7271]

@@CureOptimismForHumanity ok, but that by definition means they don’t like conservatives. So you kinda proved my point.

[@crowsea3371]

Pretty much nailed my feelings on the whole thing. I won't hate people for continuing to enjoy Harry Potter stuff, or assume that they're bad people because they want to enjoy playing a wizard game when the real world is a hopeless dumpster fire. But I hope they can at least acknowledge how shitty she's being, not defend her or make excuses for her. The idea of whether the author/creator/whatever is DOING ACTIVE HARM with the money you give them today is a good place to draw the line. H.P. Lovecraft is dead, and he won't be out there doing more racism if you read his stories, or play Call of Cthulhu, or watch The Colour Out of Space. J.K. Rowling is alive, and using her money and platform to do active harm to trans people.

[@cristianl1516]

@@mongooseunleashed and she supports anti-trans bills and politicians, now so what is your point?

[@BlueMarsalis]

@@mongooseunleashed What do you expect? People to accept the opinions of those who would do harm to a minority group's quality of life? That's absurd.

[@BlueMarsalis]

It's not.

[@charleswisconsin9196]

@@cristianl1516 people don't fit neatly in the boxes you want them to.

[@lexofexcel886]

And somewhere out in the multiverse is a version of Pat with the Brand of St. Anger.

[@Dabajaws]

to throw my hat in the ring incredibly late, if a person likes a kind of weird or slightly messed up thing but has a limit on it, then it's (usually) fine but if that thing is so gross and incredibly messed up I actually will distance myself from them and or beat them into red paste, thankfully such a thing has not happened and I hope it never does.

[@WrenchMcCool8]

aww he cut out the bully joke

[@XoftheTITANS]

Why did he cut out the bully joke?

[@TiaKatt]

It was at the very end of the last video

[@GundiMike]

I'm a kenshin fan and it's like... this is a very good story. That you probably shouldn't watch because the author will use money you give them to commit sex crimes.

[@JaitsuStudios]

Thank god for piracy

[@WantSomeWhiskey818]

Shoutouts to that one Sword of Truth book where the hero builds a statue so baller that it destroys communism

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

man, just the yesteday i saw someone with "terf" as their license plate

[@bicksbernd1640]

Mr. Madden please tell the people why you had to reupload this video

[@shaddykack]

What Devil games does to a mofo.

[@TheDapperDragon]

To reset the comments

[@CrimsonKamina]

I decided to revisit this video out of the blue, and getting reminded that Paige drinks the brine has killed my appetite for the week

[@starwars90001]

Normally I'm okay with aurthours having opinions I don't care for but when it fills their work that brings it down for me. Like its impossible to have death of the aurthour when their work is just their opinion piece. Bonus points if the aurthour has commited crimes!

[@xenodweeb6425]

Due to it being understandable that Woolie and Pat can't bring it up even if they knew about it and wanted to I'll address the elephant in the room again and say it really sucks how often RoosterTeeth fans flip on their "defense switch" the moment ANYONE brings up thing's like the company's long-running crunch issues or questions why so many people in it keep getting outed as sexpests. Not all of RT's critics are weirdos like HeroHei who only pretends to care because they're bitter the sexpest THEY like got fired.

[@TheDapperDragon]

Or, you know, Riot or the Saudi oil baron who owns SNK. But no, woman has an opinion, therefor hitler.

[@XoftheTITANS]

You mean the Vic situation?

[@Havik61]

@@XoftheTITANS Nope, not Vic, Rooster Teeths vice president was arrested for domestic violence.

[@xenodweeb6425]

@@Havik61 To be fair, there's apparently quite a few examples that I could be alluding to, but that's definitely one of the big ones.

[@charleswisconsin9196]

i have never heard the term sexpest before and i would like to never hear it again. i do respect the creativity though.

[@Lonequacker]

Wait did Woolie just say that The Wire glorifies Police? Did we watch the same show?

[@joolsstoo3085]

He said law and order glorifies the police, not the wire.

[@christiannovak5340]

@@joolsstoo3085 pat said law and order glorifies the police, then Woolie used The Wire as an additional example, implying that The Wire is another show that while enjoyable, glorifies police

[@clanofclams2720]

pfft what do you mean, I TOTALLY aspire to be McNulty one day

[@TheDapperDragon]

I'm more shocked Pat. The fucking chicken shit that he is, pretends that's a bad thing, as though he wouldn't call the cops if people so much as sat on his stoop for too long.

[@ExaltedUriel]

@@TheDapperDragon That's just all "defund the police" types though. Reminds of that tweet by that celebrity going "Yes, burn it all down!" during those riots but once they reached their neigborhood turned around and went "I can't believe this, this behavior is unacceptable, etc." It's really easy to call for the immediate dissolving of your government, society, etc. until you get a taste of what living in anarchy is like.

[@BlumenCT]

"Where do your clothes come from?" It's a lot, lot, lot easier to avoid giving money to the Harry Potter franchise than it is to avoid all manner of sweatshops. Those two things are not comparable. No ethical consumption under capitalism is there when all of your choices of food and energy consumption comes from 3 mega-corps, not when you just really want to justify your nostalgia.

[@iller3]

Maybe you're not trying hard enough. I haven't bought clothes from chinese or indian importers in 15 years

[@LieseFury]

@@iller3 you're either very rich, buy all your clothes from thrift stores, or you don't know how widespread slavery is in the apparel industry.

[@wardy4903]

Comparing a book writer to sweat shops. Not weird at all.

[@autumnlotus6250]

Milquetoast opinions from authors, and Slave Labor, are Also two different things

[@crimsonsamurai77]

Agree on the Kenshin comments completely.

[@chellejohnson9789]

Shout out to the dev team respecting JK's original view of oppressing minorities

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

There's gonna be Charlie Hebdo in the concept art

[@RahkshiMaster]

the game director ran an alt right youtube channel (allegedly)

[@AstralPriest93]

I dont know if you knew this, but Goblins aren't a real race. This is fantasy.

[@thegoodtypeofrealism9254]

@@AstralPriest93 that has literally nothing to do with what they said.

[@AstralPriest93]

@@thegoodtypeofrealism9254 it literally does. Theyre connecting the oppression of fantasy creatures as if it's the same as real life oppression. Touch grass. Fucking dorks.

[@TheBravery767]

Pat joking that creative types should be banned from social media and going outside, while being a internet personality on a podcast is the perfect summation of his thinking process. Ironically for him I think he'd be better off banned from social media and maybe spend a bit MORE time outside lol

[@Adalore]

My trick as a creative is to have not garbage politics.

[@iller3]

ya but ur a furry so it all goes out the window anyway

[@wardy4903]

How about none at all? I don't buy the art that political creatives make. I don't know anybody who does. Do you like making money? Or do you like living poor and telling yourself you have something to say?

[@TheDapperDragon]

Or, and as a creative, here's the real trick: A) Don't talk about politics at fucking all. and B) If 'people' have issues with shit in your books because of their hang ups, don't acknowledge them. The trick to not being canceled, when you're as big as JK, is to tell these morons to go fuck themselves.

[@Adalore]

And it's politics to know and expect replies like this.

[@danielyoung6778]

@@wardy4903 almost all art is political. Having no politics is itself a political statement in support of the status quo.

[@thewordywarlock7159]

It's good to not give them money, but it's better to not give them the place in your heart.

[@notorious_Z.I.G.]

I think people getting upset in response to being told to stop liking something is justified and I don't think trying to force someone to acknowledge the bad parts of something they enjoy is helpful. It needs more delicacy. Instead of provoking that defensive response by bombarding them with why they shouldn't enjoy the thing try to guide them down the path to discovering the bad parts themselves or with you alongside them. Obviously only put this amount of effort in with someone you care about. I know it sounds too hopeful but I'd like to think if we all had a gentle outside viewer help us see the bad in things we could learn and advance together instead of devolving people into zealots. It's slow and not everyone would be on board, but I think a lot could get done if we all tried to be that person for someone else.

[@greatestcait]

The best authors usually add some layer of meaning to their works which you can chew on and take with you into the real world, if you like. Some of these authors are happy to let their work stand on their own. JRR Tolkien for example, vehemently denied to confirm his own intentions with his writing, and chose to have his books speak for themselves. Others - such as Eiichiro Oda, the man who writes and draws One Piece - are happy to talk about certain things, but quite cagey about others (although in Oda's case, the things he's secretive about are always either gags or important spoilers). Due to the reasons outlined above, I do not believe in the Death of the Author. Every author worth their salt does things intentionally for some kind of purpose. It's our job as readers to decipher that attempt, not to insert our own bullshit into the process. EDIT: Okay the video isn't about what I thought it was about, but honestly unless a creator is like, actively eating babies or something, frankly I don't care. Everybody has bad opinions at least some of the time, I've had them, you've had them, but just because you say something that sounds bad doesn't necessarily make you a bad person.

[@god47398]

beautifully put. you should start a gaming podcast.

[@supertaoman12]

why would you comment something before finishing the video

[@Corbal975]

That's not my job as a reader. Sometimes I'll be interested in the intent of the author, but most of the time, I don't care. I just care about the work itself and what it says.

[@nahuel3433]

I think DotA (oh no! That acronym!) Has it good and bad bits. I think keeping in mind the author can add a fun layer of meaning to chew on. But at the same time they don't and can't dictate how you resonate with a story. If you read a text where a background character has some relationship troubles that mirror your past experiences, yet the main characters are doing something unrelated then maybe for you that is the one story where the one guy/gal did what you wish you could've done. Even if the author didn't even really put much thought into the background character and were really intending for you to focus on the things around them.

[@WaluTime]

so talking about being able to distance yourself or not, I had a moment where I ended up distancing myself from something and still kind of do, despite it being something I desperately loved. the artist Pogo's music. he went on a huuuuge homophobic rant in some video that resurfaced, and owned up to all of it but said it was 'just for the lolz' or somethin like that. being an at the time pan man and now a pan trans woman, I ended up stopping listening to Pogo out of distaste for the opinions. I still miss that styling, that floaty etherial sample use, how it feels like a dream about the soundtrack weaving around you. how it uses vocals as instrumentation in a way. the wide variety of styles all with that same kick. I miss it all. Pogo was formative for me in a way. I was an early one on Minecraft, I got in just as redstone was added, and I was there in the days when survival multiplayer was janky with bad desyncs, and all you could do was build stuff together. I blasted Pogo, constantly, daily, during all that with friends. I remember massive builds made with friends while listening to Alice, or building TnT cannons to Upular, all of it. I can still hum most of his songs. But I cut it off because he literally called me a monster because of the kind of people I love. I've still thought about going back, hell, I might after this comment just for a bitter sweet memory. I also share the same ache with JK too funny enough since Potter was what got me majorly into reading too, its just, painful all around. Just felt like ya'll'd... appreciate, the story I guess is the right word? dunno.

[@DragoonBoom]

Goddamnit. Okay so death of the author is a literature term in where you reject the author's intended meaning and personal history as necessary for interpreting the work. It is the inverse of auteur theory. It is NOT synonymous at all with "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism", which also gets misinterpreted. Liberals use it as a justification for purchasing media produced by active bigots when in actuality it's shorthand for the fact that there is no escaping the unethical production and distribution under capitalism and so it's not effective to challenge capitalism solely by changing your consumption habits. That being said, if you can't EVEN choose to not consume media made by bigots in a time where we have more media than one can experience in several lifetimes, what use would you be when there is a critical moment that'll decide the rights of a marginalised group?

[@zsugarant8447]

You could make the argument that when the author's views bleed into the work, death of the author can overlap both meanings, but yeah, it's annoying how much that's misused.

[@tiniestlumpia]

Watching this now, AS the game is out and all of my favorite trans KZbinrs are being harassed and getting death threats. This video from Woolie and Pat just being FULLY against playing it and everything JK stands for makes me so happy.

[@ArtficialFlvrz]

Random people who were playing the game because they just want to play a video game were harassed as much or more than anyone who just happens to be trans. Everyone's awful to anyone not on "their side". No ones a good guy, everyone just always points to the "others" as the bad guy because it's okay to do something to the people each side deems bad, but never okay for them to do it back to your own side. Fuck everyone on both sides of anything these days.

[@snecilia9601]

@ArtificialFlvrz "harassed as much or more than" id love to see you attempt to substantiate that claim

[@befuddlingvisage5427]

​@@snecilia9601 There's a public hit list that was made with every well known streamer that played the game, regardless of orientation or political stance. Many were doxed and had threats and weapons delivered right to their doorsteps. People's lives were ruined and the reaction only vilified the trans community in the eyes of thousands.

[@snecilia9601]

@@befuddlingvisage5427 source?

[@snoochtothenooch619]

Is something wrong with the audio levels? Like either Woolie's mic is too loud, or Pat's is turned way down

[@Kevinofrepublic]

At around 17 minutes. I don't understand what Pat is talking about

[@s7robin105]

What’s really funny about this is it being set in the past just sets up that you won’t help the goblins and try to improve their conditions. We know from the books and movies that these rebellions were crushed so you will basically play as the bad guys without a doubt lol

[@OspreySoul]

I wish you'd kept the Bully joke at the beginning of this.

[@BreboVR]

Drinking pickle juice isnt that weird guys

[@DemonKingCozar]

I must live under a rock cause I have no idea what they're referring to for Kenshin.

[@TheDapperDragon]

The author of Kenshin was busted with TERABYTES of CP on his harddrive. And, IIRC, not even drawn shit. The actual, bad kind. Somehow, Rowling is worse in their eyes.

[@DemonKingCozar]

@@TheDapperDragon Oh. That's fucked

[@Densoro]

@@TheDapperDragon Because Watsuki wasn’t campaigning to enshrine his fuckery in law, using his earnings as campaign funds. It’s creepy and violating on a _personal_ level.

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@Densoro Ok, but can you tell me again how an opinion is more damaging that literal CP? I'll wait.

[@Densoro]

@@TheDapperDragon when people legislate that opinion to ruin thousands of people’s lives. That’s the important part you keep forgetting to mention. When they use money to throw the power of government behind their opinion. You disingenuous chode.

[@aganaom1712]

crazy talk back at it again, with the reupload

[@michaelmaguire4147]

A light stabbing was how my cousin & I showed that we cared about each other growing up lol

[@ethicalcheeze1407]

It's how Loki shows Thor he cares