Zain vs Jmook - Grand Finals Melee Singles - Genesis 8 | Marth vs Sheik

[@huangnguyen9529]

Jmook who was never ranked in the top 100 came outta no where and got 2nd at a supermajor. What a legend.

[@-hello--panda-2215]

The last official ranking was in 2019. A lot changed between then until now.

[@codetaku]

@@-hello--panda-2215 Still, I think before this tournament most people who followed online results would've said Jmook is a borderline top 50 player, not a top 10 player. Only Cody really believed.

[@Zamkis]

I got STRONG Genesis 2 Taj vibes. Jmook's run brought back memories

[@hitchhikrsguide7522]

@@codetaku upstate believed

[@Michael-hc2hp]

The last time Marth vs Sheik was played in Grand Finals of a major was SCL 1.4 (late 2020), where Zain and Spark where in Grand Finals However, SCL 1.4 was a single-elim tourney, so the last time Marth vs Sheik was Grand Finals of a normal, double elim tournament, was all the way back in mid 2007, at MLG Long Island 2007, which had Mew2King (Marth) vs KoreanDJ (Sheik) and KDJ won Edit: PPMD and Mew2King never played Marth Sheik in Grands of a major, Plup has only ever been in Grand Finals of a major vs Hungrybox (literally every Grands Plup was in before 2021), iBDW (Riptide), and Wizzrobe (SWT), Mew2King never played Zain or PPU or any other Marth in Grands of a major except PP (Marth dittos, Sheik Falco, and Marth Falco)

[@erdeivih]

didn't m2k and ppmd play marth v sheik at sktar 3?

[@strylon2277]

@@oceanwaves83 M2K used Sheik

[@mayorquimby4744]

Thanks micheal

[@Nikkerman]

I was about to say Jmook reminds me of a reincarnation of KDJ

[@LeaderOfTheRedNinjas]

Great stats, but I don't think a single elim tourney has any right to be called a major, no matter who's in it

[@crenando288]

To any one saying this is lame, or weak; this may not have been the most close or intense Grand Finals, but the fact that a player that no one gave any mind to made it to SECOND over iBDW, n0ne, and Hungrybox is insane. Jmook is the new name to watch out for!

[@MannyBaker711]

cap

[@Candy3933]

Over Mang0, Plup, Amsa, Sfat & even Jizwiggle

[@nahometesfay1112]

@@Candy3933 uhh fizzwiggle?

[@Candy3933]

@@nahometesfay1112 i said what i said

[@illford]

Nah anyone who's able to go up against the best players and beat them is worthy of being s new name to watch out for. Give it a year or so and bro could become a demon

[@meleessb]

Absolutely insane. Huge congrats to Jmook, but Zain is just looking like a demon.

[@solowecr6840]

@@armasapee destroy? The mango in this Genesis ain’t destroying anyone lmao

[@Aefax]

@@solowecr6840 besides BBB, who got completely shit on

[@codetaku]

@@armasapee Literally no one on earth can "destroy" Zain. Cody, mang0, and Leffen can *beat* Zain, and Plup probably can too on a great day for him. Also, iBDW was one of the people Zain faced in this very tournament, so brushing it off as "he got eliminated" is disingenuous. Half of his elimination was *because* of Zain (and the other half was because of Jmook).

[@epicgamerman2510]

@@armasapee lmfao destroy zain my ass. yeah they can take sets off him, but I would like to point you in the direction of quite literally any set mang0 and zain have played recently, and zain fucking beat ibdw in this tournament. ok bud.

[@BlackDeathBlade]

Other players that can beat Zain are Wizzy on a good day and Zain's demon Axe, but Axe has not been performing so who knows when we'll see that match up.

[@radiaz121]

As someone who doesn't watch melee much, it's cool to see a player that I've never heard of make it to grands by beating the established goats

[@captainfalconmain6576]

I heard of jmook before this imao

[@nickrouse8426]

@@captainfalconmain6576 imao = in my asshole opinion

[@cadnce]

@@captainfalconmain6576 You are fucking dope.

[@browk2512]

@@captainfalconmain6576 nobody asked

[@minizimi3790]

@@captainfalconmain6576 same. We probably just watch more pools etc. I was keeping my eyes on Spark, Facerole and Jmook as I loved their Sheiks. I am so glad they are taking names.

[@matiassamar8267]

This Grands was some Secret Boss type vibe for Zain lol. And also him getting the back to back with this Genesis 8 title, damn and finally putting the 'Online meme' nonsense to rest at that; congrats to Zain!

[@itsbmeGaming]

I find it nostalgic and beautiful in a way that the generally agreed upon best player right now is almost 20 years later from the first best player who also mained red Marth. Something about it feels right.

[@KingR098]

Also the fact Zain got into Melee as a doc kid - watching Ken

[@cIiffe]

the cycle of life i hope some new unorthodox freestyle player comes to continue the mango legacy

[@Aronia55]

@@glugtrop2010 A doc kid is when your dad is secretly your mom's doctor and Ken is from Street Fighter

[@CaptainFalchion]

Huge congrats to Jmook for this breakout performance this tournament and making it to grands against the most skilled Marth to do it

[@TheLastDose]

Excellent perspective I'm sure he will never forget this tourny

[@IndomitusEsports]

M2K? PPMD?

[@riffz6065]

@@IndomitusEsports Zain is better than both

[@IndomitusEsports]

@@riffz6065 rightnow yeah, but overall? i dunno :O

[@POINDEXTER-TV]

This set was a showcase of what hard work looks like. Zain wasn't goofing around all pandemic bro (neither were many others). The people who grinded for 2 years popped the F off this tournament and Zain was right there grinding too. He may have earned this win, but for him, it must be like standing at the top of a mountain and looking at a swarming horde of monsters climbing up to destroy him, all hungry. And the worst part for him is that it's not even the usual suspects anymore. That was one of the best top 8's I've ever seen and some of the craziest melee I've ever seen. Jmook is a straight up cold killer. Big props to all the players, I am witnessing art.

[@tokyopiII]

zain carrying the brand of sacrifice fr lol

[@thecoolest6022]

cringed hard

[@jbschlaya453]

hard work but most importantly talent.

[@thecoolest6022]

@@thisisfyne criged at "it must be like standing on a mountain looking a swarm of hungry monsters etc." who tf says that about playing melee lmao I couldn't even finish reading the rest of the comment

[@nightangel7374]

@@thecoolest6022 mango used a similar analogy back when Hbox was #1 talking about how hard it is to hold the #1 spot due to no one being above you to chase. I don't remember the exact podcast, but it was probably Leffen's or The Reads. Use your brain before spouting nonsense please, especially when calling things cringe with a username like The Coolest. Just have some fun with it, bruh!

[@ADavidJohnson]

Zain definitely in that Armada role where it seems less exciting just because he’s been taking care of his business so well. Great run by Jmook, but Zain is the best in the world, maybe the best there’s ever been, and unfortunately nobody talks about how “clutch” you are when you win Grands 3-0 from winners’ side.

[@sersmiles1635]

at this point in melee history, that's the role, however the competition overall I feel has greatly diminished. maybe they all got upset, but that goes to show more I feel.

[@Michael-hc2hp]

@@sersmiles1635 The competition is nowhere near diminished, it's the EXACT opposite, all the top top players got upset, and all the (slightly) lower level players are so close to the top that these upsets will definitely happen way more now It's as Mango says, everyone is too good because of Slippi

[@name8329]

@@sersmiles1635 lol what

[@jojivlogs_4255]

@@sersmiles1635 bro we as a community need to do better with our advertising and making it easier for new players to get into the game. comments like these are evidence of the fact that casual fans genuinely have no clue whats happening lmao

[@SudlaSteel]

@@sersmiles1635 please just go look at the bracket for genesis. Plup, Mango, n0ne, IBDW, and Moky all got upset with many more I can’t remember off the top of my head. If they are all getting upset how is competition greatly diminished? This just means that mid level-high level players are starting to catch-up which means a more competitive scene

[@rileyparks1894]

Melee is such a crazy skill game, you can have two people in grands (which jmook did great to get to) that have such a gap. It's a cool set to see because of that, and I'd bet Jmook is still pumped about it

[@jaw2835]

this has got to be the most unexpected grands of a super major ever

[@noirlavender6409]

truly, who the fk is jmook anyway

[@Forthelemon]

@@noirlavender6409 he was looking sharp in online tournaments the past couple years but yeah, nobody expected this

[@rakkatytam]

unexpected, but went expectantly

[@queuedjar4578]

This entire top 8 I'd say I came home to watch the vods and looking at the titles I was so confused lol

[@rat4992]

one moment is all you need- one opportunity to show your skill… Zain got 3rd almost 4 years ago at Summit 6 and at that moment ended up cementing himself as one of the best players, and I hope the same will happen to jmook. Over 20 years later and this game still topping itself

[@MitchBison]

a 7 min 13 sec grand final, Zain has beaten Armada's Genesis grand final PB of 8 min 49 sec

[@Joely-Roly-Poly]

This was way faster than that one really fast Genesis 4 grand finals between Armada and Mang0. The in-game time of that grand finals was ~8 minutes 13 seconds, while this grand finals had an in-game time of ~6 minutes 9 seconds. Absolutely crazy.

[@four-en-tee]

This tournament was like a fucking Rocky movie.

[@chrisludwig4729]

Guys, how hard is it to standarize video lengths to avoid spoilers? I don't see why this isn't the norm.

[@RFLCPTR]

I was suprised they didnt for Genesis 8 considering bts normally cares about that. I was sad to be spoiled only because I am European and staying awake from 2-6 am is pain...

[@jonathanlgill]

I think it hurts the KZbin stats when most people click off your video when there's 30 minutes (of dead space) remaining.

[@awake4ages]

Blame KZbin for that, the algorithm doesn't play quite as nice with videos that don't get watched for the entire length by a lot of people. So if you have a 30min video that everyone quits at minute 10, it's not going to be suggested to viewers as often.

[@RFLCPTR]

@@awake4ages but way less people want to watch a 10 minute set which is pretty much spoiled from the get go...

[@awake4ages]

@@RFLCPTR For the initial views this may be true but I can only assume BTS has come to the conclusion based on their data that the potential loss in early viewership is better than having the video permanently buried in the algorithm and never appearing in suggestions in the future

[@georgieg8383]

Sweet Lord, The pressure Zain is capable to exert is just overwhelming. Execution, game reading, technique and decisions makes Zain look like a monster, i Guess the only one that could beat him is Mang0, just because he plays just careless of the kind of pressure/ situation. So bad he did kinda bad this tournament. Congrats to Zain, the best Mart player ever :)

[@ballertheking1038]

I love Zain but too soon.

[@samuelvibritannia4831]

Glad Toph pointed out the Genesis 1 parallel, I was thinking of the Armada Fox too.

[@gilgamesh5796]

Oh man, Zain is really starting to look like Armada now. Its such a nostalgic feeling. A dominant God, keeping shit in order.

[@sunflowertheog]

10 minute grand finals... must've been a close set

[@rich7103]

Congrats to Zain for the 2 peat win. Him finally getting the lan win post quarantine must feel great for him since nobody can say he can only win majors online (obviously most people know this it's just there was a vocal minority of people who say he was way better online and that's why he was winning). As a Zain fan, especially last year it sucked to see him get so close but not close out events like at Summit 11 and Summit 12. He didn't beat Mango here but that doesn't take away from the win here, Jmook was playing really well today and I hope to see him make many more major top 8s. Excited to see the future in Zain's career now that we have many majors this year.

[@charc0al_tv]

Holy shit I've never seen such destruction in grand finals before lol. When the fox came out I knew it was over 😅

[@rubberglovesandwich9889]

It felt like genesis 4 all over again.

[@tropik5724]

@@rubberglovesandwich9889 True lol

[@WattPheasant]

Out of all the current Melee players, Zain now has the most Genesis wins.

[@prizm9515]

I kinda wish they would have added 30 minutes of footage after the game. I saw it was 9 minutes long and it instantly got spoiled for me.

[@TehWhiteTiger]

Yeah it's a shame they usually do that for Summit games...

[@BlanBlan19901990]

Such a stark contrast between facing Zain, #1 in the world and getting decidedly 3-0ed and facing Cody, arguably #2 in the world, and decidedly 3-0ing him. You can tell Cody lost his mental game when facing an early deficit whereas Zain had the composure to remain optimal despite slip ups. That’s what hard work and grinding hours in the lab does for you. Congrats Zain, hardest working man in competitive melee and deserves all the success he gets. And I can’t wait to see if JMook can break new ground with Sheik after this incredibly impressive tournament result.

[@BlanBlan19901990]

@@colinmurphy2214 that was winners finals, I was referencing grand finals and losers finals, which were both 3-0s

[@TehWhiteTiger]

So I go to check Jmook's SmashWiki page and see this. Jmook is known for being extremely proficient at the Marth matchup, having never lost to a Marth player at a Melee major prior to fighting Zain at GENESIS 8. Oof that somehow makes it worse. just goes to show how Zane is another beast entirely. Still insane run, congratz to Jmook and hope to see him playing at this level in the future.

[@LeaderOfTheRedNinjas]

Oh damn, watching this I thought "wow he clearly plays vs fox / Falcon a lot, but there's clearly no top Marths in his scene, he's way weaker at that matchup" Zain is a monster

[@codetaku]

> just goes to show how Zane is another beast entirely. Zain* Zane is the head writer for PGStats.

[@joshpettis1160]

I'm not that big of a zain fan or anything but damn he's gotta be the best in the world right now. He cooks in grand finals like he does on netplay

[@TheHandyMan101]

is this bait?

[@joshpettis1160]

Nah I thought he was cookin granted I don't even know who jmook is but what did I miss big guy I'm open to complaints

[@TheHandyMan101]

@@joshpettis1160 just seems like saying he’s the best in the world right now is obvious bait lil guy

[@joshpettis1160]

How about you take a lesson from God and shut up for once

[@-hello--panda-2215]

@@TheHandyMan101 Nah there are plenty of delusional Mang0 fans that think Mang0 is the best lmao.

[@ballertheking1038]

Zain is the best player in the world and it isn’t close. Congratualtions to Zain for winning!! 🏆

[@stevendaily3695]

@@ghostaccountlmao yeah it’s very close mango and ibdw are pretty even with zain

[@IuckFsrael]

@@stevendaily3695 Nah

[@evadekiryu5060]

@@IuckFsrael They are tho wym?

[@IuckFsrael]

@@evadekiryu5060 With Zain, there's almost a guarantee that he's gonna make it to winner's finals whereas for Mang0, he can very realistically get knocked out of the tournament before reaching top 8 like he did at this event. Speaking of iBDW, he is obviously cracked at the game but he's more vulnerable to upsets (like getting 3-0'd by Jmook) whereas for Zain, he only really needs to worry about 2 or 3 players that can possibly beat him (ie prime Mang0, Plup, summit 12 iBDW, etc).

[@ballertheking1038]

@@ghostaccountlmao Zain has won the last two tourneys (lacs4 and here) without dropping a set and only dropping a few games.

[@Aefax]

Having a Grand Finals like this makes Zain look like the hardest player to beat in all of history. It's probably too early to start having the Zain GOAT conversation but it might be time to start talking about Best of All Time.

[@codetaku]

> but it might be time to start talking about Best of All Time. Zain's been dominating that conversation since mid-2020. The peak skill of the best players has been constantly increasing since 2003. Sure there were big "jumps" in 2008 and 2015 but the best of the best have never stopped improving, and Zain is on top of that mountain for now.

[@OlafKetchum]

I love when Phil reminded us that a certain someone also switched to Fox on the 3rd game of the final tournament set during the very first Genesis, which had a similar tragic result. 😂

[@jonathanQgaming]

That’s Toph, not Phil.

[@404Dannyboy]

Was the fox pick a "I'm just giving up" or a "maybe this will work"?

[@crenando288]

Felt like shades of Genesis 1

[@whisperuser7323]

Or maybe "I'm kind a pissed so I'm gonna move real fast with my fast secondary"

[@PapiGordo5360]

Looked like a "Zain has played 5 games against my Sheik and is clearly catching on to my tricks. Let's hit him with the mixup as a last ditch effort."

[@Airestotle09]

Zain is literally the Living Tribunal at this point. Your not passing through unless you go through him

[@chrisludwig4729]

All props to Jmook for a crazy run, but he just wasn't anywhere near ready to take on Zain. Still a great showing and I hope he continues to grow and improve. I wonder what it would've been like if Cody hadn't the critical SD in top 8 against Zain.

[@mack4691]

He took a game against Zain in winners finals and was progressively adapting throughout that set, it was close. Mid tourney burnout can happen to anybody look at mango. Or he'll look at jmook vs ibdw. Just going off that one set by the same logic ibdw wasn't ready for jmook.

[@SPMask]

When Jmook made it to grand finals, he started to hear boss battle music.

[@kellen987]

I get that Mang is the GOAT, but Zain is the best to ever do it. He exhibits the best Melee the world has ever seen and it is just so sick to watch

[@ono446]

Haven't heard of armada?

[@jojivlogs_4255]

@@ono446 lmao

[@jojivlogs_4255]

mang0 just got ranked 1st actually

[@abridge2]

its a longevity vs peak argument of armada mango. that being said armada can shut up on twitter and if he wants people to take his claims seriously he should put his money where his mouth is

[@stra2g]

@@ono446 Armada would definitely be slaughtered by the top players right now. He was the best but melee has moved on.

[@Krab17]

Shout out to Jmook. I firmly believe he'll be top 20 this year if performances keep up. I've watched Melee for years, and in that set against IBDW, he had the highest # of neutral wins I've ever seen against a top ten player since quarantine. Feelings aside, Jmook can definitely become top 20, even top 2 Sheiks. And my new underdog FKN, top 50.

[@bigdrefromthebay6475]

The seed has been planted though. See you at summit Jmook. Work on the match up and that was a great run.

[@pinkzki6473]

It’s interesting that both ultimate and melee grand finals were basically the same vibe.

[@lolislayer4944]

tru

[@TheStarrySept]

Had me Mooking the whole top 8. Sad to see it end this 1-sided but the buildup was crazy

[@the_bookworm8281]

I find it interesting that both Melee and Ultimate got a grand finals with a convincing 3-0 victory.

[@geran4473]

Nice spoiler..

[@themetapod]

Least hype grand finals since Hbox vs Chudat

[@kestrel7493]

What happened to adding extra time to videos to prevent spoilers?

[@faraday7879]

Nah watching this live game 1 zain really punched jmook in the fucking mouth. It's nice the zain can't win offline idiots can't talk now. I do miss zains fan favorite era though. Everyone loved him when he was the hbox slayer and now people treat him like armada. Kinda sad he's almost never gonna have the crowd on his side anymore

[@Zinksk8er]

That was so fucking fast. Maybe in another 20 years we'll have a Sheik win a major.

[@OurNeighborsCat]

Zain could not be any more FUCKING relieved that it wasn’t IBDW in grands. That set was dead even, with Cody playing HOT but Zain just being the sickest overall. This is exactly the GF melee needed overall to solidify another ten years of high tier action. Zain showing the power of patience, the grind and Marth. IBDW showing Fox terrorizes everyone in neutral. Sheiks showing up, and showing Plup he can’t just skillfully autopilot fox into finals. Sheiks telling Mango he needs to take it serious. But ultimately letting Zain take what he has earned

[@gwen6622]

i cant even be mad, zain is sooooo fun to watch. that first stock in less than ten seconds??? insane

[@ErroTheCube]

Zain did it right and didnt underestimate jmook whatsoever, he looks so damn clean

[@BeazerProductions]

I looked away for half a second when Zain took the first stock and it happened so quickly I thought jmook had SD'd.

[@nahometesfay1112]

fr fr. I was adjusting the volume and he was already sent to the shadow realm

[@benmcgiggles7655]

its so weird. both ultimate and melee had the obvious picks win, but there were SO many upsets along the way

[@bigdrefromthebay6475]

How much does the winner get from this tourney?

[@noirlavender6409]

Zain, what a gentleman, he 3-0's someone in a major and then just stands up, if he was hbox the video would be 20 minutes longer because of his pop off

[@JohnDoe-wg1uj]

nope stop hating, hbox bodied mango this tourny and didnt pop off at all. And back when hbox was beating everyone, he would just peace out and leave for his flight

[@DBSMoonMaster]

4:46 Zain channeling Mango and just having fun

[@CrissigarmHQ]

Zain's legacy continues.

[@LikeACrouton]

I just wish he'd stayed Sheik. I don't think Jmook ever beats Zain, but the Fox pick into *Zain* was just strange

[@Charlie-hv3dh]

Jmook was off my radar and dang I feel stupid now. Absolutely insane.

[@queenmeme7982]

I really do think Jmook has a mental block vs. Zain. Anyone who can embarrass IBDW, is definitely capable of being competitive with Zain, and yet these games are not. Zain has moments of brilliance in this set, but it’s still an even character matchup. Jmook’s punish game looked way off and he “played Zain’s game” the entire set. Jmook plays a mixup style that should be good against Zain, I just can’t understand why Jmook choked so hard, and can only attribute it to the pressure of the big stage.

[@zumie3285]

This Jmook guy moves Sheik differently, I like it. I hope he keeps competing.

[@I_Taylor.]

It's like seeing Goku alone vs Broly : There's no chance of winning, no hope. He knows, he fight even if he know he can't make it, beautiful. Zain's a real demon tho

[@Rashikal-xi]

what model PVM are those?

[@tme3305]

i feel kinda bad for zain. his reward for grinding his way to the top of melee is getting to be the game's least exciting top player. nobody wants to see you win when every set is an underdog story for the other player. it's the same thing that armada and hbox felt during their respective eras. jmook gets second and it's super hype because of how improbable it is (i think this is the most unlikely 2nd place finish since wobbles at evo 2013), zain wins the whole thing and nobody cares because for him it's just another trophy for the collection. even the standing ovation felt like an obligation that the crowd was disappointed to be giving for his win instead of jmook's.

[@OurNeighborsCat]

Nah tons of us want to see Zain win. Straight nah

[@tme3305]

@@OurNeighborsCat yeah i was being hyperbolic. i watched this live with twitch chat, there are obviously more than zero people who want zain to win. still, the difference in crowd energies from jmook's win over ibdw in loser's finals to zain beating jmook in grands is telling. zain has a way of sucking the life out of a room when he wins. even the commentary in this set talks about how much less hype there is for a zain win compared to a jmook win.

[@thedeadice6121]

Nah OP spitting facts

[@WhoPlaysMc]

Idk about you I was rooting for zain the whole time and the close as fuck ibdw set had me so excited. So many people were saying zain couldn't clutch it out offline and he only won online and to that I say fuck ya'll if you ever genuinely thought that.

[@tme3305]

@@WhoPlaysMc those people have never been right, zain took the last genesis before online was even a thing people were thinking about (people who discredit that because hbox was in grands don't remember when hbox was top 1 level lmao), as far as i'm concerned he doesn't need to prove himself any more than he already has and with how expected this win was after mango lost to fizzwiggle and hbox it seems like most people agree. any claims that zain doesn't have it offline are most likely coming from mango fans who are still riding the hype of summit 11 and with the things mango fans have said over the years to excuse their man's slip-ups i'm amazed anybody still takes them seriously.

[@marrychrismas5993]

Sub 10 Minutes Grand Finales with Jmook in Losers. I wonder who will win the tournament.

[@konflicted1729]

It's almost embarrassing to say but I thought I clicked this yesterday and it was summit 11 grand finals between Zain and Mango I was watching it at work and was so hype thinking this is the greatest set of Melee I've seen. Then I see Mango post a video today and people in the comments saying he came in 8th or 9th and I'm like wtf he won it then I went through my KZbin history and got hit with reality 😐

[@smittbo125]

Can you add time to the end of the video? when i tried to fast forward to the game play it was kinda of obvious who was going to win.

[@Swpb666]

Good win on Zain. Bread and butter. Good showing from JMook and great showing for shieks. Watchout and good luck JMook, they're coming

[@127marq]

Sadly the skill gap between the top 3 and top 25 players is pretty crazy

[@TimmyT1234]

Apparently this was the year of the 3-0's

[@phil_matic]

The Sheik vs Marth gives me 2004 vibes

[@Lintlikr1]

they talkin up the match in the beginning like its gona be a good fight and I'm like... its a 9 min video lmao

[@The_Breaded92]

*sees length of video* Ah shit, here we go again

[@ykahlil1501]

Please extend the length of the video for grand finals. I knew the outcome before clicking the video cause 10min isnt enough time to win 2 sets. Very disappointing, killed my hype

[@samhuard2498]

Everyone : Jmook is so good ! Zain : Jwho?

[@EverythingisGoodieBud]

As a Zain fan this is very based and epic 9 minute grand finals, he’s just speed running guys

[@shamdogg]

can’t believe Jmook SD’d like that in game two

[@saifali9853]

the last time grand finals of a super major LAN was marth sheik was ken vs kdj in 2007

[@Zion122]

I still can't understand why the crowd was dead here. They sounded as though they weren't excited to be there.

[@crenando288]

Zain went from being the underdog to being the status quo, Jmook really stole the crowd this week

[@jasmithyantro9680]

Everyone wanted the upset since Zain is the expected guy to win much like 2015 Armada and 2019 Hbox

[@Michael-hc2hp]

@@Zion122 Also Jmook came off of a really hot run, and people wanted to see him do well vs Zain, Jmook beat Plup, lloD, n0ne, and iBDW. He lost to Zain 3-1, in a set that definitely looked like if Jmook got a runback, he could do some big things, then this happens, and everyone's hype is gone, because everyone wanted Jmook to do well, and it just didn't happen

[@professorpick]

I wasn’t hyped bc I don’t care about jmook yet

[@brendenlim2158]

@@Zion122 pretty sure the zain hype was stifled cos of the online era, where he dominated hard.

[@alvaros2741]

jmook is a legend. I think the nerves got to him here though.lots of flubs.

[@thecoolest6022]

legendary at cracking under pressure maybe lol

[@IgneousGorilla]

We need a mathematician to prove that it's impossible to beat Zain's Marth

[@armasapee]

Unless you are Mang0 and maybe IBDW

[@BlackDeathBlade]

we're still also waiting for the day Axe plays Zain in 2022.

[@ace4ever]

Zain's Domain seems a little lonely, only him up there and a few challengers that he clean sweeps.

[@rouge939]

10 minute grand finals??

[@styl__]

That was definitely a match of melee...

[@teh_blazerer]

glad shiek is getting some more play at top level

[@phil_matic]

holy crap, they're playing on PVMs now? That's how you know it's serious.

[@stomorevs]

I watch a lot a ultimate and the melee vs. ultimate commentary is strikingly different. The melee commentators almost sound blazed or something! 😂

[@ryan_raus]

Damn, would’ve been so sick and unexpected if Jmook took it all the way

[@Nikkerman]

Melee is sick, I love melee

[@RAPPERScantSPELL]

Pretty soft grands. And that Fox switch, oof. You were doomed my dude! Hey, what was the mask policy at this tourney? Mango and Hbox didn’t wear any during their set, but these guys did. Was it optional?

[@LeBrebaDuh]

this is the saddest grand finals i've watched, i still loved jmooks run though.

[@imerik9967]

Great tourney!

[@Padthai_Shrimp]

Jmook dominated all the characters he could tech chase. With marth you can't teachcase. I never thought about but marth kinda has a natural defense against techchassing sheik.

[@paxtonsarchives8002]

This set makes me hate zain, not because he won, but because he plays so damn well. Gg’s zain hope you have a fast fall from grace.

[@sam.lipchutz]

I’m just really happy a spacie didn’t win

[@TheLastDose]

Imagine some random fox making it top 2 then just getting Marthed cause he doesn't know the Zain matchup like the other big foxes. 20xx is failing boys , and I am proud

[@Spyder-Marth]

I just hate it when members of the Smash Ultimate community calls someone "not that good" for not winning a major, no matter how close they got to getting it. Jmook is a legend and you better watch out for the new guy in town! Props to Zain for an awesome win. I'm a Marth fan so I love this!

[@darkbozo11]

No one took this kid serious... no one did their best except for Zain.. you see why

[@SonGohan-fx3vb]

Cody literally knew who Jmook was since they’re both from NY and Jmook smoked him in his first ever tournament. If you think Cody didn’t take him seriously at all even though he knew how good Jmook was despite him not traveling, and STILL getting 3-0’d Idk what to tell you

[@TheMushinguin]

im wondering how jnoob got to grands

[@sportsgamespodcast5927]

00:40 1:35

[@Mekwek]

Should've trusted the Sheik game 3

[@DriptopLIVE]

im sooooooo druuuuuuuuunk

[@illford]

Zain may have won, but I honestly think Jmook won in spirit anyways