Zain vs Plup - Singles Bracket: Semifinals - Smash Summit 11 | Marth vs Sheik

[@urallnoobs8943]

Zain makes Marth look like he has no losing matchups

[@pyr5417]

@@oceanwaves83 I think marth will eventually only lose to puff

[@pyr5417]

@@oceanwaves83 uhh the way hbox plays probably but hbox could theoretically rest about 4x as much as he does now with drill rest and rtc rest and tech read rests

[@pyr5417]

@@oceanwaves83 uhh well with better di marth will have to 50 50 more times than puff to kill since rest kills at like 10%

[@mxrdyj]

Marth doesn’t have any losing matchups lol

[@Hugo_Prolovski]

Marth doesn't have loosing matchups

[@JAMman]

LSD straight nerding out on the mic!

[@Haxmaxxen]

But he is full of sh*t.

[@Haxmaxxen]

@@Leto_0 his facts*

[@Hope4NewDay1]

Yo LSD commentary is starting to seem like a secret gift. He has the commentators stunned.

[@lmfz4800]

He needs to be on every marth set

[@gwen6622]

am i the only one who feels completely the opposite way

[@IWatchedTheWorldBurn]

The legends speak of the year "20XX" where players have become so optimal, that sets are decided by a rock-paper-scissors match to decide port priority... It seems the legends were true.

[@m3rry_g0ing]

This has been happening since port priority was discovered

[@Hugo_Prolovski]

@@m3rry_g0ing but on this matchup it's super important

[@savaget2058]

Zain played insane, Plup played amazing as well though. Watch out for LSD in the future, he is super intelligent!

[@charlesbuchanan6560]

This commentator combo is surprisingly solid.

[@maru9072]

Zain looks unstoppable

[@constantinekorkousky3363]

MAAAANOGOOOOO

[@BeyondEntertainment_]

Then he got stopped!

[@sareaper69]

MAAAAANGGGOOOOOOOOO

[@SSJPENGUIN]

Who ever looses stage selection RPS should get higher priority

[@zacharymacaroni7649]

or they could do it like tennis where if you win rps you choose either stage or port and your opponent picks the other

[@irishjet2687]

@@zacharymacaroni7649 I would think stage selection would be more impactful almost every time.

[@zacharymacaroni7649]

@@irishjet2687 true but the same goes for tennis. 99% of the time people choose to serve but it's still good to give the option to let them pick their side.

[@williamwilliam4944]

Not sure who that one commentator was but that was some incredibly high IQ analysis

[@savaget2058]

LSD

[@miste.remusic]

that’s what lsd does to one’s brain. And the government doesnt want you to have it cuz then youll be too smart

[@Leto_0]

@@miste.remusic lol LSD doesn't make you smarter. It can help you see patterns better, tho you're also more likely to see patterns that aren't really there

[@miste.remusic]

@@Leto_0 How many times have you used it?

[@jasonlobo2350]

LSD is like M2K Child or something with all that wisdom xD

[@gipanda1752]

I was thinking the same thing XD

[@miste.remusic]

he’s just tripping

[@eddiestilll]

luv both players! :D plup was lookin mad hot dis entire summit but zain is jus sucha monster now n continues to improve at sucha quick rate

[@parkersmith4621]

love zains pillow at the end lmao

[@Ellienollie]

BRO THE VIDEO LENGTH SHIT IS FUCKING GOD LIKE WHY IS THE SMASH COMMUNITY THE BEST OF THE FGC TELL ME NOW WE ARE NOT WORTTHY

[@_ben_miller]

zain's spacing and option covering is insane...

[@xcel9769]

LSD Commentary was very big brain. Bring him on more!

[@sethandrews401]

Plup constantly looks like he wants to die

[@Hugo_Prolovski]

Every sheik main looks like that against marth

[@BreakfastKids]

LMAO ALWAYS

[@jungshin87]

You absolutely should rps every round

[@timothymoore2197]

why does Hugs say "dreaded it" that way at 0:15 lol

[@quimica1786]

zain bringing hope for all marth mains all over the world once ogain

[@mach5drms12]

9:54 why does he talk about Plup’s spotdodges being effective but Plup hasn’t been doing any?

[@DigitaIJustice]

Picking port one in melee is the ultimate Big Dog.

[@huwinner2428]

Heartbreaking - he’ll meet him at grands I’m sure

[@vazquez1290]

I'm sure he'll meet!!

[@markshenouda2852]

Love how you said “he’ll” to keep it ambiguous. Genuinely appreciate this

[@D.A.-Espada]

@@markshenouda2852 I would have said the same thing but Zain has been winning so much it's hard not to think he won after reading OP's comment lol

[@markshenouda2852]

@@D.A.-Espada so true

[@henryreturns1397]

Well this didn't age well ...... (Spoilers , Mang0 beat Plup on Loser semis on their rematch)

[@Vmpr666]

Better idea for dealing with port 4 You rps at the beginning the player who wins gets to chose between the spot they want in banning stages or the port they want. From this point on in the set the player counter picking stage (aka the player that lost the last game) chooses their port as well.

[@BeazerProductions]

Can someone explain what exactly port 4 does for Zain?

[@Ick.-]

Port 4 allows Marth to up throw - up tilt easier

[@irishjet2687]

If you are a lower port than your opponent, and you throw them, the game does this weird thing where the player throwing is actionable one frame sooner than normal. If Zain were the higher port (P1 or P2), and he spammed up-tilt after he started the throw to hopefully get the move out on the first possible frame, Plup could escape being hit. But by having that extra frame (1/60th of a second), Zain can guarantee that Plup doesn't escape his up-tilt, provided Zain gets the move out on that frame.

[@BeyondEntertainment_]

Nice!

[@RandomDude647]

port priority is so stupid; there should be a mod like UCF that makes throws deal consistent hitstun across all the ports

[@pcrsweetness]

Just so you know, the throws have the same amount of hitstun, its just the lower port (in priority) gets to act out of the throw animation 1 frame quicker

[@malbyammala1748]

plups face in that thumbnail is beautiful

[@Hyde472]

YO EXTRA TIME AT THE END TO STOP SPOILERS IS FUCKING DOPE

[@Cuix]

When is the last time Plup looked like he was enjoying the game?

[@BreakfastKids]

LSD is very knowledgeable and insightful especially in every marth matchup (obviously) i feel bad that i’m not a fan of his commentary

[@stradeup207]

very knowledgeable but damn that voice is off-putting lol

[@MisterStubstep]

Pretty dominant woah

[@GetCareless]

He's going to grands but who's going to meet him there?

[@constantinekorkousky3363]

Mango

[@Pankeekii]

LSD has potential as a good commentator, but he needs to work on not sounding like a know-it-all or like he knows better than the players during the match.

[@fr3ak1shh]

Yeah, I'm not seeing what everyone else is seeing. I thought LSD's commentary was pretty pretentious. A lot of the "high level insights" he gave were just annoying because they're all too specific. In match analysis, that's great! But in commentary, it takes away from what matters a lot more than those micro-situations - the mentality, movement, neutral/combo game, and overall playstyle of the players.

[@Doovmeister]

Your are so off. LSD was actually following the match in such a detailed manner that he opened the other commentators minds and brought them closer to the actual content of the match. You can literally hear how excited they are becoming as they catch on to the patterns that LSD is pointing out...

[@tfp855]

Zain is such a beast. Who is gonna topple this man??

[@mandlamthembu5162]

Mango

[@LiteralGraphic]

LSD's commentary is great

[@savaget2058]

If LSD could play like he can analyze he would be unstoppable. He's literally a budding M2K.

[@LiteralGraphic]

@@savaget2058 exactly what I was thinking lol

[@neftaliadrian]

Does anyone know if Leffen had port priority when Leffen 5-1'd Zain while using Sheik?

[@esoessify]

I wish we could've gotten a match between Plup and Hungrybox for a more official third place, they lost to the exact same people it would be cool to see who is better atm

[@gonzo_o_o]

I'm glad we got to see that at Riptide :D

[@Yaxqb]

Yo why did plup neutral air dodge that much

[@timothypulliam2177]

Love the commentators

[@professorpick]

Marth beats Shiek. Falcon beats Marth. Peach Marth equal. Marth Marth broken. My opinion as a Marth LOL

[@Hugo_Prolovski]

Falcon beats Marth ?!?! Wtf

[@professorpick]

@@Hugo_Prolovski u want an explanation?

[@BoltTheEmolga]

Seconding the Falcon beats Marth

[@gglandon]

zain > the fly

[@jake.speare]

there should be NO port priority. No one should use port 4 in tourneys... wtf--- am I wrong in thinking this way?

[@hagger5758]

From what I understand its the difference - the one closest to 4 gets those advantages. If plup was 1 and Zain was 2 it would act in the same way

[@BoltTheEmolga]

It doesn’t matter if they’re port 4 or not. It’s higher or lower, not 3 or 4.

[@Ringoh_]

marth forsure wins this match up

[@gipanda1752]

LSD sounds like a new M2K 😂

[@cross25011990]

Plup should have partly changed to zelda hehe

[@NeutralOfficial]

:(

[@garo7839]

:'(

[@JC-js7ob]

:

[@noahboady8933]

(:

[@Yungshamgod]

:C

[@Hugo_Prolovski]

LSD is such a great commentator

[@tellhybrid]

MArth wins every match up lol, i been saying this for decades, he's just hard to pilot

[@irelicym]

Who disagreed with you exactly? I've never heard anyone say Marth loses any MU's (Some scrubs maybe), only that he wins or goes even.

[@tellhybrid]

@@irelicym Alot of people thought Sheik/Jigglypuff wins against Marth, that's why M2k refused to play Marth against Hbox for so long, and Plup.

[@tellhybrid]

@@irelicym Wasn't until PP/Zain people started second guessing it, wasn't really until Zain that people were fully convinced otherwise though. I knew all along xD

[@kevinshen3388]

So do you think since Mang0 beat Zain over two sets in Grand Finals that Fox beats Marth? There’s a difference between a player beating another player, and a character having a better martchup over another character. When Armada was #1 in the world he was destroying everyone except Hbox with Peach, does that mean Peach was the best character in the game?

[@tellhybrid]

@@kevinshen3388 Marth doesn't have losing match ups lol, trust me bud. Considering the tip of his sword is his strongest point, you out space everyone in the game, it's just not easy.

[@falcolombardi4353]

plup calling zain a camper runner away