Zanu PF backed by the army, opposition can’t get power without soldiers buy-in the details

The Army as political kingmakers
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[@user-oi6ls5qj6j]

I am very disappointed in this gentleman. The current constitution simply does not allow military involvement in politics. I would find sense if the man was advocating a constitutional amendment to allow the military to be partisan. The commander made an oath.

[@user-fl5if2gw5y]

Dhara! The beginning of wisdom is understanding that you don’t know

[@professormapendere6467]

One of the most absurd arguments that I have ever heard Mawarire uttered. I hope he comes sober from all the toxic substances out there.

[@hobbietandi6268]

Mawarire is a painful disappointment, it's so sad 😢

[@user-fl5if2gw5y]

⁠@@hobbietandi6268do you have a definition of disappointment? 😂😂democracy is disappointing hobbietandi . That guy has a democratic right to think like that and you do have yours except no one gives you a platform to show your ignorance 😂😂😂

[@intofinance]

Zim is just a Military State period!

[@luckmorejiki2662]

Mawarire you're the MAN...very spot on. Zimbabwe has people with sharp brains. Your narration and analysis assertions very good and critical. Dialogue is key when ever we differ in opinion and policies.

[@louwsaviour6475]

Zim is a Kingdom, the army haina power, those are looters doing their heinous crimes under the guise of the army.

[@jezuschrist7120]

Trying to defend zanu pf is like trying to convince Jezus Christ that the devil is not really evil

[@phefumulanyoni8989]

Talking Rubbish, its like suggesting that once a president has assumed his position he can stick to serving only his party, at professional level a big no so even soldiers must be professional that's what the constitution stipulates. We cant justify what the general echoed and sugarcoat it as a right its absolute nonsense that Jealous is articulating

[@reasonjoemachingura6749]

Mawarire...you're not making any sense at all. You just wasted our time saying rubbish about soldiers' right to vote as citizens of the country viz-a-viz the participation of the army in partisan politics. You just proved your lack of understanding of the subject. Individual servicemen and service women have always voted the world over, but for the army, police, intelligence or airforce to be rallied behind a political party...that's wrong. That's the reason why Sanyatwe's speech becomes worrying because he is actually confirm that he, as army commander, will rally the soldiers behind ZANU and even use command-voting to entrench ZANU rule in the country and into eternity. He is not speaking in his Individual capacity but as head of the army.

[@HelmandShoko]

Soldiers or civil servants are not banned from being political, but should not actively participate in politics

[@mbatatisimbatatisi8335]

what a powerful, informative and balanced debate

[@tongaincube6343]

Being a voter is not being a politician!

[@MikeShava-h2e]

A man who bargains the price of an underwear is capable of walking around without one. This guy is a shame and a threat to peace and security of our country. Any law that is contrary to the constitution is not applicable, the constitution takes precedence. Zimbabwe is a Kingdom and a Military State.

[@doumut1229]

We dont need to talk to army at all.This is the delibarate move by Zanu pf to keep power.Army,through the Parliament and judiciary could be shut up in a day and ZEC also is the culprit by not being independent

[@GordonTsvangirai-kb2ez]

I can feel your pain Dhara,u are Chaminuka of our generation, may the almighty 🙏 BIG man from above protect that pple's voice.

[@VenusCris]

Bigup Mawarire now you but understand the politics of the Land

[@makuwereretichaona9581]

ZIM REALITY.the army is the pivot of the political space in ZIM.they make decision and its good for citizens to know this hard fact

[@bryanvassilatos1469]

Typical Zanu PF sycophant, they want to shout on top of other voices..only their views count...they are bullies that are singing for their supper defending the indefensible

[@dinizulumasuku2324]

Mawarire is just arguing for arguments sake. He is not agreeing to anything Blessed has said. He is so full of himself & behaves like the judge & juror. His examples are absolutely ridiculous. He should watch this interview again & correct himself. Another supper- singer this one😅😂😂😂😂

[@shingiraichiunda9340]

No matter how much we can dismiss what Mawarire is saying, the truth remains. ZDF support ZANU PF and the two can never be separated by a pen come the election day. Respecting our army, treat them as a key stakeholder and engaging ZDF is the only way out. Unless we are brave enough to fight them, of which our generation does not have the togetherness and the capacity to do that.

[@bennymiti6350]

Remember Sanyatwe is not ZDF musabatanidze zvido zvake nezveruzhinji rwemauto. ZANU inotoruza Kuma barracks kwavo, achaneta hake chamuriga sana Sibusiso Moyo

[@luckmorejiki2662]

Very true

[@King78-s70]

Military should participate by protecting the elected and the citizens regardless of their political affilliation

[@blessingbhura1528]

Why can't Mawarire just join Zanu Pf so his propaganda makes sense 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@GordonTsvangirai-kb2ez]

He is always a Zanu with a different role of fooling the populace,hez such an idiot

[@brightonchinonzo8970]

He is already a Zanu PF agent

[@israelrangarirai9543]

I cant finish this nonsense

[@makomboreroticharwa8216]

I have gone deep into this interview and also the history of Zimbabwe...Mawarire is right..only the leadership of Zanu pf has forgotten the masses by looting funds..and corruption without sharing the country wealth with masses..like the landreform..let's all the wealth be given and shared with masses

[@proudtapfuma9997]

Then you need to go deeper again than what you did

[@samsonmarikwa2631]

Jealous has the correct diagnosis of the problem in Zim. I speak as a former soldier, a Lt. We have a ZanuPF army. The current leadership of the ZDF who are mainly ZanuPF cadres will make sure that ZanuPF's wishes are carried out. Dhara cannot perceive the reality of the Zimbabwe situation. Instead of eliciting possible solutions from Jealous, he spends time arguing with him. He should have been challenging those ideas to solve the problem of the army in politics.

[@ashelbille7292]

Agree 100% Dhara argues theoretically rather than admitting to the reality on the ground The Military is very much involved in Zim Politics and they will not stay away from politics anytime soon

[@sirShereni1]

That guy called mawarire must learn to give others a chance to talk. He irritates the listeners and he behaves like a child at crèche

[@raz77441]

Dhara gets emotional you should be impartial

[@konvictsj]

Good interview. I find Mawarire biased towards the current regime but his justifications are valid and sound. However, Dhara should learn to sober up and conduct interviews with people who hold divergent political views from his in a less noisy, disorderly and beerhall type of argumentation. Just my opinion!

[@luckmorejiki2662]

You're very CORRECT ❤

[@Mukanya1975]

I'm disappointed by the thought process of this guy. Hafunge zvachose. He is talking nonsense. Position of Sanyatwe in the ARMY does not allow him to utter that rubbish. This Mawarire is rubbish

[@lazarusmabhureni2390]

Mawarire you are off side plus you are politically aligned to zanu pf. Mawarire is not neutral person he is speaking on behalf zanu and army

[@tongaincube6343]

I disagree with Jealousy! At the top of everything is the Constitution. The role of the army is very clear. Involving the army in politics is criminal. Those political announcements by military commanders are a violation of the constitution. At the right time they will be held accountable

[@lukehari9479]

Jealous is sanitising nonsense,that General was out of order period,what is command voting?

[@ezramakusha8559]

So this guy is trying to sy Arm of Zim are there to fight its people

[@ThabaniNgwenya-yf2vd]

Zimbabwe is ruled by Army brother

[@user-oi6ls5qj6j]

Confused Mawarire

[@kingkudzi]

Jealous is lost.

[@tavengwarobertmupazuri2337]

When did Mawarire move from being a people's person to partisan. I do agree that everyone is entitled to their political free will whoever the idea of king makers hiding behind a gun and fatigue is not democratic and fair. People's choices should be respected. The war was fought by all Zimbabweans not a few.

[@DominicSithole-jq9do]

This guy has been poisoned by Zanu pf he is a worst of time.

[@nevisonkutadzaushe8626]

In the military there are people who do not support the ruling party, are they also allowed to voice theory opinion the same way Sanyatwe did and live to see tomorrow?

[@douglasmuzah3439]

❤

[@clivemuchemwa5607]

You are wrong sir , let me give you a hind to test yourself, there is no commissioned rank in ZNA who hate zanu pf , no person from matebeland who could be promoted and live for five years without resigning they have a policy on that I will disclose it another day , let just tell you this junior soldiers are not part of those who are to be considered to be part of ZANU pf

[@Naphtali-gq8rf]

Lovely stuff 😢😢

[@bennymiti6350]

Kuti tinoda mutungamiri anochengetedza zvakarwirwa ipapo pakanaka Zvakashata ndezvavarikuita ne ZANU PF vachinyepera kuti ndizvozvo zvakafirwa neruzhinji rweZimbabwe.

[@victornkiwane998]

Zimbabweans are not afraid of arm or police they just have respect on our army and police but now we are loosing respect on them whatever they did before its over now

[@antiosncube]

In that country more than 16 million people are suffering,few are enjoying the life,100 of them are making 16 million people suffer,and people a clapping hands 👏 crying on social media without action and solutions???

[@user-mr4yt6hm1h]

This is such an inane discussion, God bless anyone who managed to watch till the end. How many credible democracies are so deferential to their armies? India elections, SA elections, UK elections, US elections, France elections, Germany elections... no one bats an eyelid about the army. Even Nigeria doesn't give that kind of precedence to its army. Yes, there's a historical context, but every nation has a historical context, and for how long should this be allowed to dictate the country's future? It starts to seem as though the historical context is a fall-back answer or position for people who have no real answers/vision for the future, and they want to hide behind a solution where everything is done by a government "of all the players" including the military. This fear of/reverence for the army has become a self-perpetuating affliction in Zimbabwe politics, you can even see it in the interviewee's 'clarification at the beginning of the video and his overall demeanour.

[@Cmark-zr4qp]

Mawarire is saying nonsense. I can’t watch this nonsense Dhara you were excellent in asking the right questions all the way

[@chamugonyora4079]

Dhara can be a bit naive. Mawarire is stating the reality on the ground.

[@luckmorejiki2662]

Very TRUE and to correct any imbalances engagement is needed.

[@charlesnenguke2677]

Zanu leads the army ....and that is wrong ....period!

[@AFRICABEYONDTV]

SOLDIERS SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN POLITICS, THEY MUST SIMPLY NOT VOTE. ITS SIMPLE HERE

[@kennyrukovo8243]

Absolutely, my brother! In other words, he is saying if Zimbabwe is invaded by a foreign force, the army is at liberty to only defend ZANU PF supporters.

[@BigMeech1]

​@@kennyrukovo8243where did he say or insinuate that?

[@user-ob9qm1xm3w]

Uyo uchinda ngaasafunge kuti ticharamba takanyara oneday michamhanya chete

[@kennyrukovo8243]

So why do we waste time and resources inacting a constitution that we don't adhere to if the army belongs to ZANU PF. Mr Mawarire, the war has been over almost half a century ago. That 1973 document you keep referring to has been overtaken by events. That document, was authored by a political party. The reality is that a country consists of people not only from one political party. Mr Mawarire you are totally off the point.

[@HelmandShoko]

Learn to differentiate between the liberation army and a national army. The ruling party does not own the country. The country belongs to Zimbabwe not the ruling party.

[@michaeltmutena8985]

Mawarire lost it, the General ceased to talk as a citizen he said 'Now I am talking as the Army General, we will do command voting' maybe he missed it

[@MaiGuy1975]

Sorry Dhara B. I cant watch this shït. This man is delusional. The only point he made was bringing army to the table but if he says army can do as it pleases because XYZ then why ahould they come to the table to talk?

[@luckmorejiki2662]

Correct..given the historical formation of the zdf they should be brought to the table that's the best way we can neutralize their. Continued direct participation in politics as well as defending the nation.

[@kayzbig5124]

The Defence Force's Act or the Police Act clearly prohibits it's members from being political. The Acts openly state that members of the armed forces must be apolitical. Mawarire just needs to school himself on those security Acts to clear his misguided understanding of the operations and conduct of the members of the Army in a governed state.

[@addmoremachanja2516]

Where he put on jacket of the commander of the army he was wrong unless if there is no more democracy

[@hamiltonvilakazi2748]

Mawarire is now singing a different tune from what he used to sing,what has gone wrong with him?

[@JahCure-zh4dt]

He went to the Chitepo School of Ideology 😂😂😂

[@wixompetroleum]

Probably he was visited by the forces and dealt with after the last podcast which I was really impressed hence now he is signing a different tune ...

[@stephenmuchenje6331]

Jealous lost the essence of debate for the first time.However, his views help clarify some national issues.

[@albertmaronga2610]

Jealousy is just jealous!!

[@tongaichipangura4065]

Due to public demand don't bring this man again and interview

[@joshuamarecha]

While discussing with the army may be one of the best options in a balanced political environment, I can bet you now, these will not yield to anything other the idea of a one party state & their obsession to power- & loot. Jealous was not presenting the truth. All people were consulted including all elements of the army in the 2013. constitutional consultative fora. Jealous bcoz of his greed was paid by Bob to call for an election through the courts before most of the important pieces of legislation were aligned to the constitution. There is still a huge gap & the current president is taking advantage of such gaps to use SIs thus running the country by decree unsteady of using the available constitution.

[@vincentmangoma4128]

Svinurai. Mawarire s argument should not be swiftly dismissed. A non partisan Army in Zimbawe is a mirage whatever our collective wishes. Mawarire must not be misunderstood as supporting the current posture involving the Army and the political part they purport to belong . All he is imploring everyone to see in the current state of things the current Army can never be never be expected non partisan as the constitution provides for

[@samsonmarikwa2631]

Exactly, Jealous has a correct understanding of the situation.

[@luckmorejiki2662]

​@@samsonmarikwa2631the guy is good I tell you. People need to understand him very well.

[@luckmorejiki2662]

True

[@zvatapiwamoyo9006]

Looking forward to part 2. Interesting discussion gents!

[@nashemurangari1904]

Mawarire had valid points in some of his submissions but his interruptions and high voice were uncalled for making this conversation quite painful to listen/watch. It is an open secret that Zimbabwe is a military state. Paul Mangwana said we are the army we are the police we are the courts. Even if army generals did not come out and openly declare their allegiance with zanu pf their actions would do this and have always done this. It is unprofessional and confirms that ZDF is there to serve the interests of only ZanuPF CHETE CHETE CHETE (CCC)

[@dytonephiri8706]

Was this a dialogue or a monologue?

[@pelsonpfavayi2234]

This Mawarire guy is not eating breadcrumbs … pure clownish behaviour

[@gainndebele7459]

Liyanya leli SHONA general army

[@allsmiles79]

I used to hold high regards and respect for Jealousy Mawarire before he joined the table. All he is reflecting now are TABLE MANNERS "don't talk when your mouth is full bread cramps. So ashamed of him. For the record the Defence Forces comprises of the Army and Air force. Not the CIO, Police and Prison Services.

[@addmoremachanja2516]

For example they are failing to control corruption.

[@tinayenyamutswa3151]

Very disappointed in the panelist of today.

[@MunasheMuzambi]

The army should be above politics and be loyal to the Constitution and the citizens.

[@tendayimkombodzi3306]

Very poor conversation, couldn't finish. IRRITATING..!!

[@bradwellchikumbirike2727]

This dialogue should be guided by the constitution not mwenje document

[@verned2020]

The biggest problem in Africa is independent African trying to recreate Western style democracy . Western style democracy is a product of western history. The liberal constitutions that litter Africa countries suit the west and are a product of Western philosophy a derivative of western history. We need Afrocentric constitutions that are a product of African governance philosophies derived from our History.

[@ROGUE406]

Jealous is shallow, ans wrong on many points in this interview. However, he is right to push for a conversation with the army. The same approach was used in Britain to get the monarch out of politics

[@jahlntlnt338]

I think people must seek new ways of thinking to avoid recurring thought patterns.

[@DominicSithole-jq9do]

Mawarire you are beating about the bush are you Zanu now that soldier was not addressing a private function but he was addressing a public rally please stop fooling citizens around .

[@ClemenceChadzinya]

Mawarire is confused there was no meaningful discussion

[@dailymzansi7500]

Zimbabwe it's a zanu pf's company.. CEO - ED munangagwa Managers :wicknell chivhayo and passion fake pastor Java Supervisors : Mike chimombe and all of the gold mafias

[@apostleamidusaidi1977]

Dhara B,your interviewee came to preach not to dicuss,he seems to do more talking than listening to your points. 36:35

[@user-bp6xo9kc1r]

How many of those who fought for the liberation of Zimbabwe are still saving and for how long will they be there the argument doesn't answer to the development of democracy and non interfering by the military in politics 😊

[@mollydenga1236]

What about those who were ZAPU even started by Joshua Nkomo which was way before Zanu. Why didn't we take cognisanse of Zapu values and reason for going to fight the liberation war.

[@user-xu2cc5sg5z]

Nonsense if so he must resign his talk was sleeping together with zanu

[@mjskills9074]

The Chitepo ideologies

[@ThandananiDube-lz5zb]

Dhara is on fire

[@doumut1229]

No Mr Mawarire,no you wrong

[@user-lk5uk9gq5b]

That Mawarire did not go to war... Is just like Marapira and Mugwadi..

[@HelmandShoko]

There was intimidation by Sanyatwe. Do not embrace such behaviour. Command voting can never be deemed democratic. Why command or order people to vote for a party of your own choice.

[@lukehari9479]

Why then fake to be a democratic State,just declare that it's a military state and the argument shift from democratic process,those who seek power with that understanding will equally form an army to contest for power.

[@ThandananiDube-lz5zb]

That's a zanu document you keep harping about not Zimbabwean

[@TemboChihota24]

Jealous Mawarire is missing a very important point. Dhara Blessed, get this and get straight. The information I am giving is verifiable. You can check it out. The point is that serving members of the Defence Forces are specifically prohibited to take part in active politics. It is there in the statutes, it has never been ammended. We cannot have an Army that says because we fought in the liberation war struggle, we're usurping your right to vote for a party of your choice. That is unacceptable in civilised society. Was it a mercenary army or what. We cannot have bastidised national institutions, including the police, army, Air Force or courts for that matter. This is total bull...

[@kudzaikembo9310]

Mawarire anoda Thabhani Mpofu pa debate iyi,Dhara wasn't ready apa,kuda kupa munhu mbiri akutaura zvakadhakwa!

[@wilfredchingonzo4364]

Dhara you still HAVE a lot to learn

[@tarlentN]

Give each other time

[@musiwamudau8045]

No Mawarire, you are mistaken. Did u not hear him saying, I am now talking as a commander? What did he mean by saying we will do command voting? You mean an army commander in civilian attire is not an army commander?

[@T.MMukucha]

Only God knows,, who, when what,,,, not wenyama never

[@clivemuchemwa5607]

Truly speaking with no hasitation of anyone, this is the way forward for the development of our beloved country jealous is right, I ones went through this ZNA chatter of 1973 and once you have been promoted to be in any commissioned rank in joc , they advised you to do PHD obvious is for you to start seeing yourself in good position either in politics, private sector, parrastetal companies captains of companies

[@lucksonmufudza7069]

Mawarire here is very wrong in combining the historical germination of the national army & the today's army which is governed by the national constitution. The fact is ; the national army should be apolitical, non partisan FULL STOP.

[@benfordmafuvadze6805]

Is this an interview or a Pub argument??

[@herbertmasamba3684]

Mawarire is a Zanu project fulstop...He is displaying foolishness of its highest order.He is very argumentative and very silly...

[@JosephPetere]

Mawarire joined the looting club Zanu pf

[@musashoko1389]

This is no longer Jealousy Mawarire we know, back in 2018 he was speaking differently but I’m very surprised today he changed the language 🙌🙆‍♂️

[@chrismakop555]

If you are a soldier hw do save the opposition pple wen you have to part