Zaxara vs Kodama / Vial Smasher vs Tymna / Sidar vs Sygg

[@elil7945]

Love the content, it’s fun watching stax games without actually having to sit through them

[@rexone9564]

Stop tryna win on turn 3, and I won’t have to stax you

[@brendenwilson9016]

At 12:50 the mana drain counters Mirror entity even though Destiny spinner makes it uncounterable.

[@Sliver_Boi]

Oops that was my bad. I had a mess of a board and forgot I was hiding that thing under all my other stuff.

[@patches3592]

Three interesting decks walk into a bar and sit down. A fourth deck walks in and says “I’ll have the usual.” The bartender hands the deck a Consultation/Oracle martini, and the other three decks leave after realizing they weren’t welcome at this establishment.

[@mclark347]

It really felt like people were intentionally playing into Sygg's trigger. Like people were shocking in lands with zero intent to use them that turn cycle. I know that's usually just the safe play in Commander, but not when it plays into Sygg triggers.

[@themadstudent]

At 10:10 How did the Fairy Rogue that was just created that turn attack? I can't see any reason why it had haste.

[@MindLaboratory]

5:55 - first token, 8:11 - second token, 9:50 - third token, 10:10 - attacks with 2. I guess it works out but super confusing.

[@Sliver_Boi]

I didn't have an extra token so I had a flipped over card sleeve representing the summoning sick token. It's a bit tough to see on my playmat. I used that sleeve to represent the summoning sick token each turn and added dice to the real token to represent the ones that could then swing.

[@dantebeleren]

At 9:03 Jordan chose to pay for the Proctor trigger, just to put in an Utopia Sprawl. Was this Jordan not thinking the play through, or was it concern for counters?

[@Sliver_Boi]

I'm a bit confused on the question. Are you referring to Jordan paying for the strict proctor tax so that his kodama trigger would resolve, allowing him to put a permanant into play?

[@felixsonofscouty]

@@Sliver_Boi I think he is asking why he would pay 2 mana to put a 1 mana card into play

[@dantebeleren]

@@Sliver_Boi What Griffin said. I don't recall him using the mana for anything, so it might not have mattered. If he wanted an extra land drop or a card with MV higher than 2, I understand denying the trigger, but at 1 or 0 MV it would seem to be better to let the ability get triggered and just naturally play the card. All that to ask, was it an intentional choice, did it matter, or xyz?

[@Sliver_Boi]

@@dantebeleren oh gotcha. Not sure exactly what he was thinking with that. Probably just a new card problem, rushed the play and didn't think about the mana desparity with the play

[@jmage5508]

There was a rhystic study and a mystic remora in play which the kodama trigger dodged nicely

[@Spirited_skiing]

This is the best sygg I’ve ever seen

[@RandomCommenter955]

I didn't expect to see sygg but that was definitely a power level teched commander! You drew like 5+ cards for 2 mana with all the sylvan library, fetches, and spells that cost life. Very interesting!

[@Closer2Zero]

That Sygg deck is the most This Channel deck I’ve seen on this channel, I mean sheesh.

[@artbykaleb9527]

What do you think about esper sentinel?

[@tylerrogers9773]

I’m only at the intro but these are unique pairings and I love it

[@tendo339]

oh Thassa's oracle win im shocked

[@chimneyimp1486]

Honestly, can't wait for oracle getting the ban hammer

[@xChikyx]

same, but, and I quote, the RC "doesn't give a fuck about thassa's oracle because [they] don't see it in [their] games, and if you play against one you can rule 0 it." In other words, the RC fucking sucks. I'm in their discord server just to get TO banned, and even they have admitted that TO is a problematic card, that it's unfair to play against, and that it's not fun; even if I have proven that the card violates most of the lines they have on why a card should be banned, and even if it sees both play in both cEDH and casual EDH as a lame easy way to win, the RC has said exactly what I quoted at the beginning. That they don't care about thassa's oracle. They have told me that they only care and ban carda that they see in their own play group, and since their playgroup is casual, and they think thassa's oracle can't see casual play, they don't care. Besides, they always use the lame excuse of "you can always rule 0 the card" which is ridiculous... Tbh, after the walking dead secret lair when they proved they are in wizard's pocket, i wish wizards took control of the commander ban list once and for all... Wizards even saw the problem in historic and already banned her, yet the RC wants to keep it "rule 0"... Thassa's oracle is absolute bullshit, the RC knows it, and they dont care, and that makes me mad. I mean, if the card should stay on the battlefield for its effect to count but no.... I *really* hope the RC use their last 2 brain cells and ban it already...

[@guitarwithjacob]

@casuallycompetitivemtg any changes you would make to Kodama // Vial Smasher post MH2, I recently built this (minus the few cards I didn't have being substituted for similar affects), but I added a Yavimaya Cradle of Growth to help with Arbor Elf, and added a Dauthi Voidwalker. any sugggestions on other cards?

[@paulmcclain642]

The Sygg deck was awesome, totally fantastic value and it ran so smoothly. This is simply my opinion and plenty of people disagree, but Fish/Consult isn’t casually competitive, even if you aren’t playing Fetches/Duals etc. It also makes for really boring, repetitive content (which this channel usually avoids). Not meaning to be too negative-this channel is great and usually the games are very fun and interesting

[@maxennulat9610]

I totally agree with you when you say that Fish/Consult is not semi- or "casually" competitive. It is simply the strongest wincon in cEDH and should not be played in a environment called "semi-competitive". I only disagree when you say that usually the games are very fun. Want to know the reason? Usually Fish/Consult nearly always wins here. Even in one of the Tribal-Episodes, at the end you saw Thassas Consultation make the "Merfolk-Tribe" (Tymna=Merfolk) winning. It's just so fucking boring.

[@invaderatlai3433]

Yoooo Adam's mat is so cool, any links to the art/playmat itself?

[@revelmonger]

Can you respond to the end of phase? im currently taking my judge tests and I thought you couldn't

[@KirillCapote]

Nope, unless something triggers, afaik

[@Giga-lemesh]

Yes, you can respond to moving from one step or phase to another. Like if you wanted to tap down someone’s creatures before combat you could react to passing from main phase to combat

[@justinisorange]

@@Giga-lemesh you can’t respond to the cleanup step tho unless a trigger goes off right

[@nolansherwood4424]

justinisorange yeah each player gets priority during end step, but cannot respond to cleanup

[@NMS127]

The exact wording of the narration is incorrect. But I assume it means as soon as he got priority after the Sygg trigger resolved in his end step, he chose to cast Vampiric.

[@sumdumbum4251]

Why no razaketh sac search for counter magic against demonic consultation thassas win. Am I missing something on board not allowing him to search?

[@xAnonymousss]

kodama vial smasher is blue-less.

[@Starkipraggy]

@@xAnonymousss pyroblast still exists to at least stop fish

[@AlgoritmoTercero]

@@Starkipraggy he did have pyroblast on his list, what a missplay

[@SoDefCallidus]

He doesn’t have any mana open to cast the pyroblast

[@MindLaboratory]

3:24 - Bill's opening hand might be the best opening hand I've ever seen

[@Mythrandil]

You know it's bad when you can hear the comments section groan when the Thassas Oracle came out

[@rexone9564]

Excellent game and content as usual!

[@76jford]

Bill never took the damage from tapping city of brass the very first time

[@WiiTara]

At 09:06 when Utopia Sprawl entered the battle field he needed to choose a colour. But wouldnt that be counteres by Strict Proctor too or does this not trigger because its "As Utopia sprawl enters..." and not "When Utopia Sprawl enters"?

[@NMS127]

"As this enters" is a replacement effect, not a trigger.

[@WiiTara]

@@NMS127 thanks. Wasnt sure about it

[@NubRusty]

I just assume Joseph is going to win every game bc those are the only ones this channel posts

[@uriahatkinson2103]

Gg everyone..could u play master chef deck lol..stress eating

[@RatPackTXC]

Anyone else get bored having to watch 17 minutes of video just to see someone with with Thassa's Oracle again?

[@xChikyx]

15:23 LAAAAAAMEEEEEE

[@Starkipraggy]

jordan's plays actually make me mad. that toxic deluge to remove the stax pieces preventing thoracle into tapping out to have no response vs thoracle was straight up kingmaking. not to mention him randomly shocking in lands and then not using the mana - why? It's like he just wanted to let joseph draw for free. It's almost like jordan and joseph were a two-headed giant pair.

[@danielcarrillo4800]

Great game

[@QDurlstonP]

8:55 Jordan pays for the Kodama trigger to put a Utopia Sprawl into play, but the Utopia Sprawl's ETB to choose a colour would not resolve either without paying 2 more mana.

[@nolansherwood4424]

does it count as an etb trigger if it happens 'as' it enters not 'when' it enters? I don't think they go on the stack the same way

[@jmage5508]

It's an "as it enters" static ability, not a triggered ability.

[@BuleGamer96]

Sygg was a high value of card advantage

[@dannypink123]

Sygg is a chad

[@rearwardchef5647]

14:30 miss play there, Jordan cast an mystic elf even though toxic deluge is still in a effect, every creature gets a -3/-3 till end of turn

[@KriegerKatze]

Nah Toxic Deluge only applies to the creatures on the battlefield when it resolves. Much like Finale of Devastation or Craterhoof but reverse.

[@DonJuanDecepticon]

I cant keep watching these when it always ends in the silly 2 card combo.

[@beejsterguy]

15x counted "with nothing left"

[@RandyTheSavage5150]

It was a great game till Thassa's Oracle came down.

[@PhoenixRNH]

Cue Thassa's Oracle hate. People need to get over it, it's nowhere near as egregious as flash was

[@Closer2Zero]

It’s not that it’s bad, it’s that it’s constant. Of all the win conditions that we’ve been shown, this is been the most frequent and as viewers we have grown tired of it. We’ve been over exposed to it and now that it comes up again we have a bad taste in our mouths

[@PhoenixRNH]

@@Closer2Zero it's the best wincon, what do you expect

[@papaburgundy20]

I just don’t get Thoracle, like how is it fun? How does it stretch you as a magic player? How is it a challenge?? Seriously so sick of seeing cop out gameplay

[@danielkings2443]

Ban thassa’s oracle

[@oscarperezcame]

Thoracle here too? Man, it's getting so dame boring... it's all I see in most of the cEDH channels...

[@joeschmoe8301]

First comment! Keep up with the great content guys!

[@klutzmtg2310]

Can Oracle just get banned already? The card really ruins every single one of these good games.

[@xChikyx]

exactly my thoughts... here's my reply from another comment same, but, and I quote, the RC "doesn't give a fuck about thassa's oracle because [they] don't see it in [their] games, and if you play against one you can rule 0 it." In other words, the RC fucking sucks. I'm in their discord server just to get TO banned, and even they have admitted that TO is a problematic card, that it's unfair to play against, and that it's not fun; even if I have proven that the card violates most of the lines they have on why a card should be banned, and even if it sees both play in both cEDH and casual EDH as a lame easy way to win, the RC has said exactly what I quoted at the beginning. That they don't care about thassa's oracle. They have told me that they only care and ban carda that they see in their own play group, and since their playgroup is casual, and they think thassa's oracle can't see casual play, they don't care. Besides, they always use the lame excuse of "you can always rule 0 the card" which is ridiculous... Tbh, after the walking dead secret lair when they proved they are in wizard's pocket, i wish wizards took control of the commander ban list once and for all... Wizards even saw the problem in historic and already banned her, yet the RC wants to keep it "rule 0"... Thassa's oracle is absolute bullshit, the RC knows it, and they dont care, and that makes me mad. I mean, if the card should stay on the battlefield for its effect to count but no.... I *really* hope the RC use their last 2 brain cells and ban it already...

[@quentonmcclure8233]

Honestly, the main reason people have massive issue with thoracle in cedh/high power imo is because people dont main board stifle/etb hate. Stifle effects are just good to have in general, especially if they are a part of normal counterspells, like with void slime, tales end, and whirlwind denial. Tocatli honor guard, hushbringer, and the 3 drop one with flash all stop etb triggers. If you know you are playing on high power, and it doesnt stop your own deck, id suggest main boarding them because of the prevalence of thoracle so you have a chance against it, while also having the ability to deal with other pesky triggers as well. You know it is very strong, so build differently to play in the meta until it gets dealt with by being banned Just my opinion tho

[@xChikyx]

@@quentonmcclure8233 if you dont see how problematic TO is with that...

[@matthewchurch9629]

Really dislike Thassa. Could see it eating a ban at some point.

[@leandrovarasgonzalez714]

No tiene gracia el combo de thassa, muy easy