The Truth About RFK Jr. (And Dr. Oz!) w/Dr. Paul Offit

[@ballboys607]

Dr. Paul Offit is like the chicken noodle soup of public health.

[@olivedjazzer]

Outstanding --- just chef's kiss here

[@babomberman]

Perfect comment

[@jenx3338]

A 10 million dollar bowel of chicken soup.

[@lmarti12]

🙌

[@karlsinclair9918]

As in filling..but on closer inspection unhealthy, full of carbs and nutritionally empty?

[@karenpancholi6692]

Why don’t you get RFK on the show and discuss all of this with him? And have Dr Offit on as well? Then you 3 can discuss this a”nd you all can be transparent and kinda fun”?

[@themeach011]

Yes. Also I just went and watched the video on lex that they are referring to and these two have twisted RFK's words up pretty bad.

[@buzzardclementine4451]

YES!

[@melaniejo5296]

Sane, rational, balanced, and, f@@king lying.

[@steveschmidt6847]

Stop this nonsense about RFK being "antivaxx". His position is that vaccines need to be held to the same safety standards as do other FDA approved products. All in favor of not testing vaccines for safety raise your right hand? Yes, I know he has some theories about vaccines causing this and that which probably aren't true. So what? He's made it clear that he has no intention of banning any vaccines, only testing them the way we do every other product.

[@Chevymisty]

Vinay doesn’t even agree with these two and I trust Vinay the most out of the three. What does Monica and Marty have to say?

[@JeromeBetta]

Zdogg you say RFK will erode trust in the process of science. That’s already gone

[@vanhoot2234]

why make it worse

[@gaylemuir1634]

Because we’ve woken up to the $cience that has been censoring all the opposition and maliciously maligning, threatening, damaging and destroying the careers and reputations of the real scientists who are not in lockstep with the $afe and Effective” $cientists.

[@seanmcne]

@@vanhoot2234100% spot on comment - why make something worse?

[@corysgood881]

@@seanmcne how do you know it will make it worse?

[@PoetlaureateNFDL]

@@JeromeBetta That’s sad, not a reason to trash science.

[@gregdavidson100]

Nine of the last ten 10 FDA directors went from regulating pharma to sitting on the boards of pharma companies. RFK wants to make this insane revolving door practice illegal. Anyone interested in fighting corruption in the pharmaceutical industry should applaud such an initiative.

[@margaretgalvin279]

RFK Jr. is up against pharma, many of the senators and reps receive money from pharma lobbyists.

[@wib6044]

This is what they are thinking. What comes out of their mouth is - Fruit Loops and Fluoride!

[@robertpagen2770]

This session is a reminder of why I stopped watching Z Dogg 😮two years ago.

[@seanmcne]

👋 ✌️

[@roughmatch3899]

I concur.

[@joeyrix1986]

Bye.

[@metabarun8811]

I made the same decision also two years ago for the same reasons!

[@lynnbartrim4232]

He's saying almost the opposite of what he says when with Dr Vassad🤬

[@debesposito4443]

What made me say Hmmmm Was mandating vaccination to those who had already been infected.

[@kimkwatson]

And then changing the definition of immunity!

[@carlafunk2759]

@@kimkwatson And changing the definition of a vaccine.

[@VladZavi]

And the fact that every health "expert" is fat and hasn't been to the gym once in their life.

[@followthemoneyhoney]

for me it was the "people don't need medical grade masks" because they didn't want panic buying a la toilet paper, when it was discovered that our PPE reserves were mostly expired and it was hard to import masks from china. N95 masks work MARKEDLY better than cloth masks at preventing the spread of aerosols. oh, and they knew covid spread via aerosols in 2020 and sat on the information so people would follow their guidance on not buying N95 masks they wanted to reserve for healthcare providers. now, NOBODY trusts the CDC

[@husher5142]

For me it was reading FDA documents saying it was tested for 90 days .on ONE interest group 18-45. I have code that soaks longer.

[@cathycole754]

I have a MPH, and am a clinician.. I believe the distrust really came to fruition when people were forced to receive the vaccine. Those of us who understand science, understood that the COVID-19 vaccine had not been properly studied due to the sense of urgency. It is difficult to be forced to lose your right to choose … or lose your ability to support your family.

[@joel.lallier]

The force was imposed by the individual employers, who in most cases have at-will termination clauses in their employment policies. Why are they not to blame?

[@kathrynwells5936]

Mrna isn't a vaccine. Our wonderful health system continues to go blindly along endorsing and profiting hugely off a needy public. Bobby makes sense. You guys dont

[@mela2291]

And we were gaslit when safety signals started to arise

[@mela2291]

⁠@@joel.lallierwrong. It became a federal mandate for anyone receiving referral health dollars

[@aslurmyfrog]

@@cathycole754 specifically what sort of clinician are you, and by what metric are you asserting that the vaccine hadn't been properly studied?

[@thesagetraveler7649]

If RFK Jr is so problematic, why don't you debate him Dr. Offit? I believe he's offered many times.

[@Superglide03]

They answered your question at the 40 minute 44 second mark.

[@PoetlaureateNFDL]

@@thesagetraveler7649 very problematic

[@thesagetraveler7649]

​@@Superglide03 not a very good answer. Offit is a joke.

[@Superglide03]

@@thesagetraveler7649 It was a perfect provable answer. He said RFK makes shit up. He gives the papers author and the title saying what RFK claimed wasn't in the paper. Now if you were to read the paper and find It was actually Offit lying you'd then have a point.

[@caliguy1260]

RFK uses the “gish gallop” technique of “flooding the zone” with so many flawed studies and incorrect premises, that it becomes impossible to refute them on a point by point basis. The “bullshit asymmetry principle” states that “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it”. This means you need about 10x as much time to rebut what is already a huge volume of intelligent sounding flawed information when debating a bullshitter like RFK jr.

[@jacqueslareau1379]

Lastly, Paul Offit talking about transparency….had we been transparent and said yeah we were wrong. How would people respond to that by not trusting us anymore? So….pharmaceutical companies can’t be sued for vaccine injuries, and you are promoting you shouldn’t be transparent because of the risk losing trust….what are we talking about. Make that make sense. Z, how do you not stop him right there. The US is supposed to be transparent to their people. This conversation is eroding what the US is suppose to be about.

[@carynmartin6053]

🎉🎉🎉😊😊😊

[@dano1346]

Absolutely. Z's silence on that is DEAFENING.

[@donkeybus]

Exactly. Hhs lost our trust, and deservedly so. Its why rfk jr is a better choice even if hes wrong about some things.

[@Julia.Mandelbrot]

He's not "wrong about some things". He's dangerously incorrect regarding vaccines and giving him the office validates his views. Public health will take a hit. Listen to the virologists for your virology questions and assumptions. There's a great podcast, This Week in Virology.

[@steveschmidt6847]

@@dano1346 very disappointed in Dr. Z. Of course this comment will probably be deleted.

[@kevine.lemaster8473]

The irony of lying and misrepresenting what RFK said to prove hes a liar 😂😂😂

[@matthewdopler8997]

He didn’t misrepresent. These were RFK Jr.’s own words. RFK wants to pretend to be reasonable and hide his more crazy claims from more reasonable people. When he is in front of other conspiracy theorists, he doesn’t hold back. Even the New York Post, which is conservative, concluded that RFK is batshit crazy.

[@LeeAnnandboys]

I’m here for the comments and am happy to see such informed people these days no thanks to you two

[@TheFrankyfern22]

❤ yes there is hope!

[@reneefletcher1143]

I agree!

[@Myithea]

It’s really dangerous for RFK to demand transparency, comprehensive evidence based research and honesty.

[@CMA418]

That Samoa situation is pretty damning.

[@joeyrix1986]

We have had enormous amounts of transparency and comprehensive evidence based research around vaccines. The problem is nothing is good enough for the anti-vax community, who are notorious for moving the goal posts. "Ohh, we give too many vaccines" - proven to be nonsense. "Ohh, the schedule is bad" - proven to be nonsense. It's always just something else. We're tired of arguing with folks that do not know how to read data and don't want to know the actual information.

[@plj4all869]

Ha!

[@tlowgreen2112]

Seriously! How could he!!!!!!!

[@markrittman2437]

​@@tlowgreen2112 It's hard to find the truth on many issues. The propaganda machine of moneyed interests is running at full throttle. It appears that RFK Jr. did not foment the vaccine mistrust. Two infants died due to medical accidents while getting vaccinated, and many did not receive their vaccines because of that. RFK Jr. did go to the island, but after the incident. RFK Jr. did support his own family members getting vaccinated and is vaccinated himself.

[@cartermayfield]

I’m a fan of informed consent. Mandates are a bad idea. Transparency is always good. You are a scientist, not a marketer. The peasants can handle nuance better than you think. Raccoon dogs? Really? Clearly that’s outside his area of expertise. Of the mandate-loving scientists, Paul Offit is a lot better than Peter Hotez. Philip Krause is the best of the bunch. Clearly, previous infection should have been appropriate for all of the front-line nurses and doctors who we put in harm’s way during the height of the pandemic and then fired when they refused a vaccine because they already had natural immunity (or whatever marketing term you want to use). I know Z-Dogg hates anti-vaxxers with a passion…. But bodily autonomy is important. The CDC presented papers to back perspectives that don’t make sense… like that the vaccine was better than natural immunity, which flies in the face of what we have learned so far about immunology. The CDC would make pronouncements and then go in after the fact and support these pronouncements with low quality evidence and for people like me who actually follow this, it erodes faith. Sorry that you had to get the science wrong to make a clearer message, but you eroded my trust in public health in the process. That won’t come back overnight.

[@ranchoboomerang]

Nor should it. Their getting desperate at this point.

[@riccihall9178]

Well said.❤

[@margaretgalvin279]

Doctors are given minimal education on vaccine in medical school and where is the info from? Pharma.

[@lizmstate]

I am enjoying the comments here. This bullying to get vaccinated out of the financial interests of those in the pharmaceutical industry and the dogma created out of that is coming to an end.

[@dereks7061]

And ushering in the apocalypse 🤣 Trump ain’t the one lol hahahaha we are so fd

Only 15 minutes in and while I deeply respect you both, I have some critiques. My understanding is that RFK Jr never claimed that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. It's definitely inaccurate to state he claimed that covid was engineered to spare certain ethnicities. He was literally discussing the findings of a study about genetic variances and statistical impact of covid based on variations in ACE-2 receptors. He stated that "there's a theory" that the virus was engineered. Furthermore, it's at least as likely at this point that covid came from a lab as opposed to natural animal spillover. I thought you were aware of this, Z? Are you not pushing back harder out of deference, or have you really not read the non-conspiracy-based deeper discussions of all of this? Maybe Dr. Offit was too busy reading the vaccine studies and just went with the false MSM accounts of what RFK Jr purportedly claimed? I'm not a fan of RFK Jr for a few reasons, chiefly his backing of Israel as it commits genocide of Palestinians. Yet we need to at least get the facts correct regarding what RFK Jr did or did not claim. Regarding his suspicions about several vaccines, I have heard him admit that he doesn't know all the answers and that he favors better studies. Also, wondering what Dr. Offit thinks of the law exempting pharmaceutical companies from liability for harm caused by vaccines. Necessary to incentivize vaccine development?

[@GoSolar]

there's literally video of RFKjr saying that HIV is merely a passenger virus, but that it's not a cause of AIDS. And that the people who died of AIDS died because they were "addicted to poppers" and part of a "gay lifestyle." He said Fauci said it was an infectious disease because he won a "power struggle" over that question, which allowed Fauci to "take control." So..how do you think people who have AIDS, who have *managed* it with anti-viral medications/protocols..would react to this theory? RFK jr does not care about the truth. He consistently gravitates towards any theory that says the real truth is being hidden; but he is not engaged in an honest good faith discussion about what the truth actually is. (I would put the link to the video here, but I think youtube doesn't always allow links in comments. Google the Advocate magazine article on RFK jr and AIDS. They link to the video.) And, as for SARS cov 2 being engineered -- yes, there are people out there saying that's what happened (there was even a NYT op-ed on this), but there are also many experts in the field who have responded to each of the claims behind the engineering theory, many, many times. While I myself am not an expert, I've seen and read enough to see that evidence for the lab-leak/engineered theory has been responded to; while the evidence behind the Wuhan Market (including that there were two separate lineages) has *not* been responded to by lab-leak proponents.

[@aikoshimada3167]

100% with you.

[@Rushmanyyz]

​@@aikoshimada3167Look into this more. RFK Jr. backed Wakefields BS study and definitely denied that HIV is a vector to the AIDS virus - all in an attempt to throw shade at Fauchi. He's completely a science denier.

[@allarooni]

Me too.

[@allarooni]

Thank you for saving me the time on this.

[@mela2291]

The problem is the medical establishment says that vaccine science is “settled” and rather than answer parents concerns in a legit manner or have proper safety surveillance, you tell people it’s settled. As you say, science is open and ever changing….so apply that to vaccine safety

[@waterkingdavid]

Are you kidding? It seems you really think these people care about you. They don't. And in steps the likes of RFK and others regardless of whether what they're saying is true or not. That's the cause of the problem. They don't care about you.

[@scoobydoo3928]

Polio, Measles, Rubella vaccines have been used and studied for 50 years minimum. There have been hundreds of studies done, and they have proven effective, and not dangerous. Any doctor can tell you this. RFK is not a doctor, but he gets publicity. He should be laughed at and given no publicity.

[@trevorclapham5571]

Logical fallacy argument. You sound very intellectual yourself lol

[@tomdorman2486]

@@mela2291 wonderful points

[@joeyrix1986]

How many times can the science answer these questions? It's the number of vaccines! We've proven that wrong. It's the schedule! We've proven that wrong. These folks keep moving the goalpost. You know what is settled science? The fact that we've basically eradicated these diseases and they are returning with decreasing immunization rates. They've been proven safe and effective for goddam generations. Stop with this "I'm just asking questions BS" when you don't have any honest intention reviewing the information.

[@TimSmith-cz9ds]

I listened to see if there was an interesting perspective I missed, but this is just a hit piece. 😢

[@uglycouzin]

Did Paul Offit just say COVID was created at a wet market? Was this video released in 2020?

[@kimkwatson]

Makes you wonder if he's ignorant of information we have about this or if he thinks we the viewers are ignorant and won't know he's lying.

[@miraivas6203]

Got on this site by a chance, so it is my first time here, but also the last. After 3+ years this doctor still has no clue about the origin of co-rona vi-rus, does not see the difference between traditional vac-cines and the novel ge-ne the-rapy, and is oblivious to the fact that this was plandemic, rather than pan-demic. That is astounding.

[@simonmonis5749]

Zoonotic spill-over is the most likely possibility based on the current genetic evidence. There is no definitive answer but the consensus since 10.1016/j.cell.2024.08.010 is that it likely was a genetic spillover.

[@VladZavi]

Said it with 100% certainty too lol. Talk about science

[@miraivas6203]

@@VladZavi I just did a quick research on Dr Offit and surprise, surprise - he is the co-inventor of a rotavirus vaccine. I guess the conflict of interest has overridden his scientific credo.

[@grocerysmart]

Why doesn't Dr Paul simply state: that he agrees all vaccines should undergo double blind safety studies where the "placebo" is a benign substance rather than ANOTHER VACCINE?

[@Graymorg]

Because he would be admitting he's a liar

[@ChrisPerry-dl6vd]

The placebo in the covid vaccine studies WAS a "benign substance". Did you not read the studies?

[@Nuts-Bolts]

@@ChrisPerry-dl6vd Din't you read grocerysmart's question? He said 'all' vaccines.

[@siddhartha_1]

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it" - Upton Sinclair. Remember that quote whenever you listen to someone who passed through the modern medicine education system.

[@jbcampbell]

He loses a ton of credibility by arguing for the racoon dog origin theory. That to me shows he's defaulting to the institutional messaging rather than honestly assessing the available data.

[@roberto_camp]

Well said, he really lost me there.

[@maynardbecker4613]

Host has the back of those who are greedy and game the system… he is trash.

[@buckeroo93]

Agreed. It's the same type of denial of evidence and reality that RKF engages in regarding vaccines, where the narrative is more important than the evidence. The conspiracy narrative is damaging, but the establishment narrative is just as bad, perhaps worse

[@attitune]

Absolutely. They vehemently deny the possibility that the virus could have spread by escaping from a lab that was already doing gain-of-function testing on this very same virus. Instead, we're supposed to believe that it came from a rare animal sold in a market that was located in the exact same city as the virology lab ...there's probably more evidence to support the leak/escape than a "raccoon dog." Which makes me skeptical about everything else these guys have to say.

[@janemerrittmckenna2386]

Absolutely! This guy is NOT representing truth!

[@tamarabonet9438]

Thimerosal was taken out as the adjuvant in vaccines and replaced with Aluminum adjuven- also a toxic metal- neuro toxin and cytotoxin. There are questions about the safety of vaccines. Kennedy wants to look at the health outcomes vaccinated versus completely unvaccinated. This can be done by utilizing the governments health data bases.

[@FrostekFerenczy]

> health outcomes vaccinated versus completely unvaccinated During the pandemic the unvaccinated continuously died at a higher rate than the vaccinated. In every single age group.

[@sharonolson5782]

I am a physician with 50 years experience and I don't trust either one of you! I believe much of what you tell the public is wrong you just wanna be bullies!

[@janinepera8338]

I completely agree.

[@gmyersgilmer9470]

We need more Dr's like you. As a Health Insurance Broker for 23 years, I completely agree. I think both of these guys are paid by the deep state.

[@tbarb4457]

LOL. Remind us where you are so we can be sure to avoid ever putting our care in your hands

[@FrostekFerenczy]

You don't speak with the professionalism of a physician with 50 years of experience.

[@gmyersgilmer9470]

@@FrostekFerenczy No you just want to keep believing the big pharma lies. People including doctors are waking up to the indoctrination. Covid, was a psychological operation, this is why you saw 56 new billionaires created due to covid government handouts. Elon Musk got 118 billion, Bill Gates got 24 Billion and Jeff Bezos got 73 billion. Easy to see who the players are, not to mention the deep state continuity programs in taking our freedoms. The lockdowns across the world killed millions due to lack of medical care. So when you keep believing the establishment you advocate these type of deep state events.

[@Noname-rf1xy]

I agree with the suggestion in the comments to have RFK on with the pair of you, and including Malone. I'm surprised that we're still having these one-sided conversations reminiscent of the censorship that was at play during the pandemic (cancelling anyone that questioned the efficacy of the vax), and perpetuating Faucci's noble lie! With all due respect, the public deserves to hear a well debated discussion presenting the issues.

[@pdr5yo]

Because RFK Jr. and Malone will only appear on shows that do not respond to their baloney. Read the article. Stop listening to podcasts.

[@tomdorman2486]

Thank Dr. Zdogg! I've been following Dr. John Campbell, all the way from the beginning, as well as a lot of your coverage. He was a strong proponent of vacation as well as I. He has slowly been disappointed as the papers coming out have been alarming to me. He has interviewed well credentialed virologest research erst, M.D.s that have expressed concerns. He has gone so far as claiming we couldn't have informed consent because of information that has been hidden and otherwise misrepresented. He did have a video I watched where he read from medical research papers being pear reviewed and had the video removed and given a strike on FB. If we can't be informed, how can we make informed consent? As far as your guest on this program I was disappointed to hear him misrepresent JFKjr. On Les Friedman show that I also watched. I'm trying to get fair information. I guess we are all humans and tend to hear what we want to hear. I enjoy your programs, but I don't think I can give this guy credibility as he seems not able to relay correctly what has been said.

[@stacypearce3945]

Love John Campbell

[@Dietcheesey]

Not a doctor though, is he? 😂

[@dhoddle]

Dr. John Campbell is a doctor. He is also a nurse. He is very transparent about this.

[@justiceness9-e5o]

@@Dietcheesey I have been following Campbell since 2020 and I am confused why people continually try to discredit and belittle him about the whole Nurse/DR. thing? He is presenting information that many doctors don’t even know about. They hardly study vacinology or nutrition in medical school. I have heard a few doctors say said that the extent of their vaccine instruction was two or three hours, and it was mostly about the vaccine schedule. What’s more crucial is their education after medical school. Probably the same for nutrition as well.

[@tomdorman2486]

@Dietcheesey only in the language of PHD.

[@LP-dt4sq]

Dr. Offit at 46 minutes you talk about the vote for natural infection "survival induced immunity". In mid March of 2020, early in the pandemic, I had a bad case of covid. I had always believed in vaccines, and had both of my sons vaccinated fully. When the vaccine came out I wanted nothing to do with it, the thought of putting anything relating to covid virus in my body felt deeply wrong to me. A few people , including Dr. Monica Ghandi, took the stance of natural immunity, but family denounced me as an "anti vaxxer ", and continued to push me to get the vaccine. I just needed more time to recover , but because so many people in the mainstream did not speak up publicly, I was more or less disowned by my family. Then we were forced to to get both of my sons (18 and 20) vaccines to stay in college. You make a lot of sense, but I lost so much trust that it opened me up to listening to people such as RFK. I think you failed people , because you and your commity did not speak up. That is also lying in my eyes, you knew something and didn't say it, which makes you equally responsible in my eyes. I believe your intentions are good, but to me RFK has good intentions also. Why did your commity lie to us?

[@Denise_Suzanne]

It didn't have COVID in it at all. It helped to stimulate the natural defense against the virus. These vaccines aren't new.

[@donkeybus]

Exactly. Where is the accountability?

[@ilikepanama]

Dr. Offit was criticized by some media just because he disagreed a little bit regarding the boosters, in spite of being very pro mandates of the first and second shots.

[@stoneneils]

You talk like a small towners with your family as your only case study. HOw about this..I live in a big city with a big city job and 100s of people were dying around me every WEEK until the vaccines came out, after which about three months NOBODY was dying anymore. Get your head out of your but and try to smell the asses of other people besides your family.

[@markrand652]

Offit was speaking up then, he's been discussing infection and T cell immunity since early in the pandemic.

[@cyndi7757]

70 vaccines for kids is ridiculous

[@educational-101]

Excuse me, could you please clarify the source and origin of the number?

[@johnorourke7484]

It's completely nuts

[@Dietcheesey]

The childhood vaccine schedule includes 15 different immunizations. Don’t make stuff up.

[@educational-101]

@Dietcheesey Indeed, this highlights how parents often make decisions based on emotions rather than empirical evidence. Skeptics exploit this tendency, understanding that parents are more likely to respond to fear rather than logic.

[@beckyearls2540]

@@Dietcheesey 15 different immunizations, but how many "doses" of each immunization and "boosters"? Adds up to many more shots.

[@jrfly30]

JFK is not anti- vaccine. He is for accountability and liability when one is injured. Who in their right mind would argue that.

[@joel.lallier]

It's hard to argue against a huge simplification.

[@roberto_camp]

RFK, but yeah, preach on

[@seanmcne]

@@jrfly30 I’d love to hear RFK say that, in that way. I think anti vaccine folks see a huge ally in RFK.

[@pittmaba]

“Who in their right mind would argue that.” That’s a statement of manipulation at its finest. I’d bet that RFK (not JFK) is human like the rest of us - right sometimes and wrong sometimes. And he has a preponderance of anti-vaccine statements that are on the record. However that’s not mutually exclusive with also being for accountability and liability when one is injured. False dichotomy. I’m looking forward to a more nuanced, evidenced based discussion where he changes his mind, at least on the measles vaccine. Feel free to bring the specifics with receipts to the comments rather than BS statements that anyone who would disagree with your declarative statement must be mentally ill. That’s some serious hubris there.

[@heathers4449]

He's fooling you with plausible deniability because he's charismatic and trained at convincing people in court. Look into his past concerns about certain vaccines and how they have changed over time. His goal post moves. He's demanding perfection from something that can never be perfect. Anything with an effect will have a potential side effect, and because of this, he can always claim dissatisfaction with current vaccines while still claiming he's simply for safer vaccines. You end up looking like the crazy person if you're against him because who would be against safer vaccines? But he's doing his lawyer thing, don't let yourself be swayed by it, interrogate his opinions in the same way you would someone less famous.

[@christinetownsend1100]

Literally just watched VP say a lot of opposite to this. To me, calling someone a liar seems so personal and hard to take seriously. I was shocked that neither of you addressed how corporatist all the other prior heads of the department were/are and how that really affects how the American people feel about them. Of course we're distrusting and RFK is at least different - the best, probably not, but different.

[@nomadshelter]

You are repeating lies! That is not what he said about the Chinese and the Jews at all. It’s a talking point for the mainstream media. Maybe quit using repeater memes as fact??

[@wchphoto]

Kennedy said at press event last year in a video posted by the New York Post that “Covid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”

[@GoSolar]

He said that Covid is less likely to be harmful (or is likely to cause less harm) for Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews. Then he pointed to a published paper he got that from. But he seriously misrepresented what the paper said. This is what he does - he finds something with a kernel of truth, and he twists it.

[@leeg6421]

@@GoSolarhe didn’t find a kernel of truth and twist it. He was discussing different things, mentioned a thing that was not the point but was in a paper in an organic way. Then the media twisted the small statement to pretend it was his point in order to discredit everything being said.

[@lorawilliams346]

@@leeg6421 you got it

[@donkeybus]

​@@GoSolarfalse. He discuseed it as a theory that exists, and there is a study to prove that theory exists. If I say: "there is a theory that the earth is flat" vs "I beleive the theory that the eartb is flat" those are very different statements. Can you really not see the difference??

[@garygalanos5215]

Dr Offit is the one who said ivermectin is horse medicine on your podcast

[@Dietcheesey]

And was right.

[@zdenkamikulic7570]

@@DietcheeseyHa ha ha

[@viever6574]

@@Dietcheesey horses AND humans and several other animals - a brilliant drug

[@travcollier]

The problem... People were getting ivermectin formulated for livestock dewormer and trying to use it to treat COVID in humans. First, that's dangerous because the dosage (and delivery) is for horses. And secondly, ivermectin doesn't appear to actually work for treating COVID. So, yeah. That's what he was referring to.

[@juliesharp5077]

​@@Dietcheeseyno, you know full well it is for humans too

[@michellebaeza4618]

Protect Faucci at all cost, right guys! The truth is way harder to tell than a lie. Just because you know who you are doesn’t mean you are right about everything.

[@margaretgalvin279]

I think Fauci was infected three times, and had six boosters, so much for 'effective.'

[@shsummers]

Zdiggity wasn't right about anything Covid related, and Offit owns patents on vaccines; obviously an objective source of information. I just came here to see how many people aren't accepting this whitewashing. I'm not TOO disappointed.

[@dylanfgarrison]

You guys might be right on many things but you’re absolutely blind on others. You first say don’t let children have raw milk. It’s too dangerous. OK that’s fair. But then right after that when you’re talking about fluoride, you say if we remove fluoride from the water children will suffer with Cavities and bad teeth. Why not in the same sentence talk about what’s causing the cavities. It’s not water without fluoride, it’s processed food. It’s sugar, bread products, sweet treats. Breakfast cereal! I think you could easily argue that over our entire population this crap is far more dangerous to kids than raw milk. If kids aren’t eating that stuff they don’t need fluoride in the water.

[@deborahcampanella4827]

I have been reading about fluoride in water supply for years. . Once you get government to do something, you can never get them to stop doing it. Fluoride is powerful and should not be taken orally! Getting a fluoride treatment at the dentist is one thing, drinking ii is different. It is what they used for rat poison for years. It should never have been put in our municipal water supplies. .

[@mmfpv4411]

Exactly!

[@dano1346]

Where did the study on the food pyramid come out of not too long ago that listed Froot Loops on its daily list of grain options? I think it was a university in Wisonsin.

[@mustafasaed7766]

I am guessing you aren't a dentist? But it's OK your opinion counts as well.

[@nataliegist2014]

@@dylanfgarrison Exactly.

[@lisaschmidt8466]

A few mistakes were made during the pandemic? 😆 I’m hoping we can investigate matters now instead of just “trusting the science”.

[@PoetlaureateNFDL]

Science is the best method we have!!

[@Alan_Kress]

Investigation of matters is the definition of Science. Stop eating glue and pay attention.

[@davidbiggs1193]

Don't you remember what the Phizer lady said? They didn't have time to test the vaccine to see if it stops transmission Because they were moving at the speed of science!

[@TEXGLAM]

Scientists are humans with bills to pay and their lifestyle habits and can also be bought. Smart people doesn’t make them smart in their MINDSET. I know a few of those. Scientists can also be disingenuous and egotistical too. The good ones hate the bureaucracy and sometimes quit the profession early. In other words always question everything you are told.

[@metabarun8811]

​@@TEXGLAMbut if you are forced (like we were) by their decision to not have the right to make decisions on our own! What then? I had to lose my job (been fired), lost my career...fuck, don't remind me!

[@StelleenBlack]

I'll be so glad to have RFK Jr. I read the Real Anthony Fauci. Everyone should read it and then make their judgment. Btw no one sued him for the information in that well cited book.

[@sarahwalkerbeach6985]

RFK will make Big Pharma Great Again by convincing YOU that he got FDA, CDC, and NIH to make safe vaccines. Stay well.

[@travcollier]

For defamation, you have to prove that the person knew they were lying and is not just crazy. That book is alternate reality fantasy... It makes all sorts of easily disproven factual claims. There are a myriad of articles online going though it.

[@Lee-vi9ze]

Absolutely-these two are so arrogant that they think watching social media is enough for them to judge

[@margaretgalvin279]

Agreed

[@sarahwalkerbeach6985]

@@StelleenBlack rfk will make big pharma great again

[@imme9497]

Reading the comments is so funny. The people are waking up.

[@cathyc1730]

NO ONE REGRETS NOT GETTING THE CV VACCINE!

[@joymattson8549]

I certainly don't regret it.

[@pamela3881]

I was pregnant at the time the Covid vaccines were filled out and I didn’t just take the internet’s word as research. I discussed it with my OBGYN and thankfully he cautioned me against the vaccine. I’m so thankful for him because he was one of the few cautionary voices.

[@gaylemuir1634]

Thank your lucky stars you didn’t take it when you were pregnant! I have a friend who got breast cancer a few months after taking that shot. She has just gone through chemotherapy. I haven’t told her it has been associated with increased cancers coined as Turbo cancers. She still believes they are “safe and effective“. I’m 78, I’ve always used naturopathy and supported and trained my immune system over the years. I’ve been exposed to Covid several times and used ivermectin and other protocols of the FLCCC successfully.

[@lisaorr6647]

Same! My OB was great, too. I didn't want it, and he made me feel I was making the right choice, and I am SO glad I did not get it!

[@jupiterglow]

The UK just banned the Jabs for pregnant and nursing mothers❤❤❤

[@jono1987]

@@lisaorr6647I pushed back on our dr pressuring my wife to get Covid vax when pregnant. She was so pissed. I remember be shocked, it seemed so immature of her.

[@Alicia-yn6gt]

My OB said “we’re supposed to recommend it” and didn’t give me an opinion at all. :/

[@davidmunoz1774]

ZDogg - please explain why we give newborns Hepatitis B vaccines to one day old infants when they have zero risk of that disease. And did you know that both Hep B vaccines were only studied for adverse effect for no more than 5 days after their jab? And in only 147 kids in one of the 2 studies! Offit clearly forgot that measles outbreaks recently happened in majority fully measles vaccinated communities.

[@davidmunoz1774]

These 2 people believe their own lies

[@kacorri]

I think the bias of personal opinions comes through on this. It doesn't feel like this was a truly honest conversation, that said, we are all human and I can understand why it would be so difficult to remove the personal feelings of previous bad interactions with a person. But the really concerning part is that these 2 placed a lot of trust in the media reporting of RFK Jr, and not a lot of source information was brought in. After listening, the conversation actually made me distrust Zubin and Offit because it felt so personal. Actual verbatim quote from RFK Jr? "People say I am anti-vaccine because they don't want to have the argument with me about how to improve vaccines. I'm not anti-vaccine, I believe we should have safe vaccines and I believe we should have robust science. and I believe we should have independent regulators who are not financially tied to the companies that are making our vaccines." He went on to critique the amount and scheduling of the vaccines, which, when the US doesn't have robust evidence to support our own vaccine schedule, that's NOT a wildly inflammatory stance. Developed countries all over the world give far fewer vaccines than the US, no one seems to question their "anti-vax" status. His stance appears to be that no one has done the due diligence to prove safety, if safety hasn't been proved then they can't be deemed "safe". I am sure there are plenty of critiques of RFK Jr, but I didn't hear any good ones in this episode, sadly.

[@seanmcne]

Listen to what RFK says I don’t think we need the media - what he says is enough. Also, Paul specifically cites a personal 1:1 conversation with RFK, not the media but direct interaction.

[@SillyGrandma99]

JFK Jr doesn't understand the definition of & criteria used to declare a vaccine safe & effective & why! He knows law not statistics, epidemiology & science.

[@zachstone6717]

Thank you!

[@corysgood881]

@@seanmcne LOL you mean a conversation from 20 years ago? That's what he said, 20 YEARS AGO. That's what I should trust here? Second hand hearsay from someone who is what, 65+ years old, who is clearly biased, and the conversation is from 20 years ago? It is clear, people like you, haven't actually listened to a single podcast or long form interview with RFK on any of these topics. Thanks for your opinion though, we will all take it into account.

[@jss2103]

the reality is that RFK has some good ideas and a whole load of really bad ones.....extra concerning is that he has contradicted himself several times and denied things he has said in the past, which makes him unpredictable.

[@paulm6074]

The min this guy said covid came from an animal to human spill over event he lost a lot of credibility

[@MrKadillak]

Apparently it is just a coincidence that a bat virus research lab was just down the street doing gain of function research funded by the NIH?? The more I hear Paul offered and dinghy Dr Z the less I trust them.

[@alanfrisch8537]

I’m a curious person. What is your counter-evidence to the studies he cites?

[@wadetisthammer3612]

​​@@alanfrisch8537 He didn't cite any studies in 12:14 to 12:52. And there's substantial (though not dispositive) evidence it leaked from a lab; e.g., the COVID outbreak happened suspiciously close to a COVID lab with a history of lax safety practices in an area that was not likely to have an outbreak occur naturally.

[@wadetisthammer3612]

​@@alanfrisch8537 He cited no studies in 12:15 to 12:51. And there's substantial (albeit not dispositive) evidence it leaked from a lab; e.g., the Sars virus outbreak sprung suspiciously close to a Sars lab that had a history of lax safety practices in an area where such an outbreak was not likely to begin naturally.

[@markrittman2437]

I think so too. I have no idea why CDC Director Robert Redfield would have come out as a whistleblower in 2021, stating that this was a lab leak and suffering much because of it if he wasn't telling the truth. I watched as lab leak stories were reported by mainstream media and then pulled. Then there is the 2013 gain-of-function paper using the same virus and the leaked emails that no one denied when questioned by the Senate. There was that very public shutdown of the Wuhan lab citing inadequate safety. We know the US has been involved in bioweapon research in labs abroad, and everybody except US mainstream media is reporting on the 24 bioweapon labs in Ukraine right now. You'd have to be a conspiracy theorist to not believe in the lab leak. When he lied there, I realized everything was a lie.

[@coyritahickerson4000]

History will prove you wrong. People have lost their confidence and respect for the medical establishment. I fired my doctors , who have nearly killed my husband three times. His surgeon told him that your wife has saved your life three times. I was vaccine injured in 1972 by a rubella vaccine. I have been seeing an integrative doctor, and I haven't felt this good in a long time. It's time that you both catch up and either change your biases or be left behind.

[@joymattson8549]

I'm a registered nurse. You are entitled to your uninformed opinion, but don't inflict it on everyone else.

[@alamedavigilante]

Maybe RFK jr. Remembers the Cutter Labs Incident. The Cutter incident was one of the worst pharmaceutical disasters in US history, and exposed several thousand children to live polio virus on vaccination. The NIH Laboratory of Biologics Control, which had certified the Cutter polio vaccine, had received advance warnings of problems: in 1954, staff member Bernice Eddy had reported to her superiors that some inoculated monkeys had become paralyzed and provided photographs. William Sebrell, the director of NIH, rejected the report

[@temiiegamer6593]

This is video, unfortunately, made me unsubscribe from ZD. The reason our kids get more vaccines than kids in any other country, eat morning cereal with clormequeat, and have the highest under 5 mortality because researchers stopped being independent and became puppets of pharma. Why do you think “your science” is better than “RFK Jr.’s science”? Zdogg behaved as if he hoped Dr. O would get him a contract with Merck. This discussion is the reason people stopped ‘trusting the science’.

[@whodey2112]

Probably because RFK isn't a scientist. He's a lawyer.

[@PoetlaureateNFDL]

@@temiiegamer6593 living in a world where we are less trusting of each other.

[@temiiegamer6593]

⁠@@whodey2112the current hhs secretary is a lawyer and politiacian

[@temiiegamer6593]

@@whodey2112the current hhs secretary is a lawyer and career politician.

[@Dietcheesey]

RFK has no background in science or medicine. Is that so complicated? Would you rather have him or a trained surgeon perform a bypass?

[@lisaorr6647]

I am actually shocked watching this. Extremely disappointed not because I disagree and also think it comes off at times as a clear attack on RFKjr, but because once again, there is this arrogance against people who did not listen to the mainstream narrative and yes, did our own research. I was pregnant during the height of the fear-mongoring and could not believe that I was actually being told to take a vaccine that was not tested on pregnant women and was very new to the market. No way was I going to that, and no way was I going to give it to my 6 month old when that was also recommended. Sometimes, you just need to go with your gut. I read a lot, and I also work in healthcare statistics. That was my research, and I am glad I stayed the course. Also, to be clear. My child has had the "regular" childhood vaccines but I did ask for them to be spaced out a bit instead of him receiving multiples in one visit. I have never heard RFK say he would recommend not getting vaccines, just to research them a bit more and provide transparency and accountability.

[@ernieblue5307]

You don’t win court cases against multi million dollar corporations, by being a Science denialist. Stopped the show at 4:32.

[@anniebee760]

Right??

[@RadeFoxxy]

Same here!

[@DJRoyalePhilly]

As someone who has been supportive of what RFK stands for, I appreciate this alternative perspective in pointing out his flaws. Valid points here. However, I think one of the main things not touched on here is the revolving door between big pharma & health gov agencies & why we’ve lost trust.

[@viever6574]

If you watch the RFK Jnr interview with Lex Fridman for yourself (you can use the provided timestamps to jump to the section on pharma), you will find that Dr Offit has egregiously misrepresented him.

[@oohwha]

Let's just hope that 90%+ of RFK's focus will be on fixing the ABSOLUTELY BROKEN FOOD SUPPLY SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES! If he does that, I'm sold... whatever it takes to get us AT LEAST on the same level as the majority of Western European countries...

[@mustafasaed7766]

I have a bad feeling that he is simply a slick and untrustworthy politician. I hope I am wrong.

[@donkeybus]

​@@mustafasaed7766you are wrong, listen to a few of his lomg form intetviews. If he wanted to be a slick politician he could have toed the company line, with his lineage he'd easily be the democratic president right now.

[@dollproductions04]

Honestly for a long time I agreed with you. I felt like our food system, in comparison to Europe, had barely any standards... the more I looked into though the FDA actually regulates some foods more than European nations and some foods less. Overall we could regulate junk food more, however the real reason we have so much illness and lower life expectancy is because our nation doesn't go to the doctor or listen to medical advice. The other root cause to poor health is poverty. If we got rid of the financial barriers to seeing healthcare providers we'd see both of those problems decrease in severity significantly.

[@mustafasaed7766]

@donkeybus but what his assertions that HIV does not cause AIDS, his dishonesty in stating childhood vaccines have never been scientifically trialed and all the money he has made from his anti vax talks. I could be wrong but it seems suspicious to me.

[@hockeyhalod]

This guy had a very different memory of the pandemic than me. I knew about it spreading through other countries during Christmas holidays of 2019. There were a lot of missteps that he did not mention. I agree that poor leadership and messaging really hurt us on this pandemic and I pray whoever is in charge when a truly deadly virus shows up is better.

[@hockeyhalod]

And yes. Telling people what you know and being transparent is the best way to be honest and get the message across.

[@samanthalink8931]

It was totally safe so we removed it.

[@withwil5823]

Isn't he asking for more transparency? I mean if the data goes either way, with transparency we'd know. I don't see how that's a bad thing. Giving people access to info is great, teaching critical thinking skills and how to understand this info would also be helpful. If you hold people to a standard and do your best to educate them, you could be surprised. Americans, for the most part, aren't in the dark about a lot because we want to be, stuff is hidden from us far too much. The fact that so much is hidden from us isn't even that much of a secret. Look at the many disclosures we've received with a great amount of information redacted. That's ridiculous and like spitting in our faces. The American people pay for the development of many pharmaceuticals and get charged outrageous prices for them in the back-end. Scientific debate should be happening. Were were all the super pro covid shot people when there were offers for debates. Moreover, science denier???? I may have gone to school in Nevada, but I'm sure I was taught the scientific method at some point and I believe theories, narratives or what have you being scrutinized and questioned was part of the program... but again, I'm a Nevadan... who knows?

[@Denise_Suzanne]

The dude has a worm in his brain. He is not well.

[@permaculturavila2092]

The more you talk about the guy, RFK, the more I like him. Greetings from Spain!

[@lorawilliams346]

yes RFK is one of the good guys.. these 2 don't know this yet..hopefully they will see the truth one day..

[@FrostekFerenczy]

@@lorawilliams346 - He's an anti-vaxxer scumbag and AIDS denialist.

[@JohnChildressURock]

There is NO money in national immunity.

[@K2blades2]

That is why I think this is all just a bunch of hoopla. Everything about dRumpf is about money. So how is RFK going to make money for big business by promoting real food and no vaccines?? WTF? It doesn't fit with this administration. I just think we need FREEDOM of choice.

[@jeffhaddix9508]

I think you mean "natural"

[@ivermec-tin666]

Thimerosal is still used in the Influenza vaccine, and is routinely recommended for pregnant women. Offit is not being honest about the persistence of Thimerosal in vaccines, even today.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

INCORRECT* Thimerosal is not used in the Influenza vaccine. 20 years ago Thimerosal was used as a preservative in vaccines that were supplied in multidose glass vials, where single doses are extracted by piecing the the seal, which is designed to reseal when the needle is extracted. Improvements quality of the vaccines and the packaging allowed Thimerosal to be discontinued. Now vaccines are supplied in prefilled single dose syringes, negating the requirement for preservatives.

[@Sceince01]

There are 6 clowns about as dumb as yourself which liked your lie. Also why are you bothered about thimerosal as in amounts in vaccines ( yes all together ) yes still very safe.

[@masonstorm1834]

Dr offit states the mRNA vaccines are safe but is it not true the amount of spike protein delivered varies wildly from person to person or is that false ?

[@yamishogun6501]

A British article last year showed that this happened in 1 in 3 shots.

[@patrickbell5086]

How is it that RFK jr hasn’t been sued into oblivion over the books he has published on this topic?

[@JeromeBetta]

@@patrickbell5086 yes waiting for all the lawsuits

[@JeromeBetta]

@@patrickbell5086 may be here awhile

[@janinepera8338]

Because he is a truth teller.

[@shellbell2167]

I at least appreciate RFK’s desire to “Make America Healthy Again.” Our country is laden with obesity, chronic illness, autoimmune issues, diabetes, etc. And much of that is due to our foods. Europe, Australia, and Canada ban ingredients we allow. It’s absurd.

[@alanjackson1015]

Yes, and those countries also allow ingredients the US bans. It's absurd

[@lizreiki]

I have less than 0% respect for Offit. Sorry to see him here. Can’t watch for more than a couple of minutes. 🤮

[@janinepera8338]

For years he has refused to debate Kennedy. He should be able to defend his beliefs. I can which him for long either.

[@MrKadillak]

Off it is Off his rocker. He along with Dr. Z and other clowns are the reason why Americans are so unhealthy!

[@sandylewis8897]

I seem to remember him having some TDS when he was on a couple years ago lol.

[@user-es5jq6yy9l]

Offit...I'm no conspiracy theorist but the sarscov2 was not from a wet market

[@kevinlee8011]

Dear Paul Offit and ZDoggMD, As an ED 🚨physician, I am a huge fan of the many versatile iterations of Z from ZDoggMD to “Will intubate for food” to DocVader to [Zubin and Paul’s] guidance throughout the pandemic of CovidWorld, which has been a wild and stressful ride for all healthcare professionals. Thank You 🙏! ZenDocDO (Yes I was inspired to name my TeleMed Service, after binging on all those ZDoggMD Parody’s)

[@kiwi1fruit]

RFK is one of the most sound thinkers and is willing to back all his statements. You guys are full of it. Never catch me watching either of you again. I'm over 80 and thoroughly follow all this. He and Dr. John Campbell (and the people he has on) I will follow.

[@cmb119]

YES

[@kelli130]

I feel uncomfortable that this video is taking a rather different perspective and vibe than the video with Vinay. Not sure how to take this.

[@magnusarvid4161]

Okay, it wasn't just me getting strange vibes 😆 I don't think I ever heard Z call someone a "fucking liar" before 😂

[@tallleprechaun1318]

i read it as with Vinay Zdogg was looking at possible benefits of him in office, but with Offit it is more of his true thoughts/venting

[@karenkaren3189]

Z is affected by who he hangs with. Prasad has turned into a bit of a loon.

[@altawalker29]

Feels like slander. Maybe also pander.

[@MK-ih6wp]

@@karenkaren3189how is Prasad a loon? If anything, he’s not “looney” enough!

[@richardcornell2684]

Would pay folding money to hear Vinay's response to this.

[@Dae143]

LOL

[@JMK-vo8pv]

And let's also hear from Dr. John Campbell and Dr. Clare Craig from the UK!

[@lindakurtz6274]

Open, honest communication. Thank you for that

[@karenkaren3189]

@@JMK-vo8pvTwo more weirdos. No thanks

[@Dietcheesey]

@@JMK-vo8pvCampbell is a nurse lol 😂

[@dano1346]

I subscribe to Z-Dog and appreciate his "Alt-Middle" movement and other accounts like this, if only to escape from my own libertarian echo chamber from time to time. Thats just being real and I think a lot of us would benefit from this; seeking truths outside of our silo. Our at least, seeing the opposing arguments for what they are, in strengthening your own. I think a lot of this "science denial" accusation is short-sighted, negligent and only fuel for more agitated populism. I think what you all are missing is this premise: INDEED, science is data-driven and then should withstand ANY criticism if it's concrete. The push-back is a result of a) "the science" has been colluding and financed so often with corporatist business interests. And b) "the science" has essentially tried to eradicate ALL criticism or questioning rather than be confident and address the public. The censorship during Covid was jaw-dropping. A third caveat is c) "the science" has become increasingly political. This immediatley marginalizes a middle ground, default acceptance from most Americans now. (Great article from 2017 in Scientific American on this.) For evidence of data-skewing and fraud from the alphabet agencies and their links to Big Pharma, just Google any branch and any Pharma conglomerate along with lawsuit, deception, whistle-blower and fraud. "Flawed process at the heart of science and journals"- 2006, JRSM "One third of new drugs had safety problems"- 2017, NPR "How independent is the FDA?"- FRONTLINE, PBS 2003 "Medical errors: 3rd leading cause of death in America"- NPR 2016 "COLLUSION (the sugar industry and science)"- NPR 2016 "Offical Inaction (a scathing criticism of FDA oversight on clinical trials)- Science-dot-org, 2020 The list goes on and on. Like it or not, you can "talk down to us troglodytes" all you want and spin any high-ranking challenge to the system as "conspiracy theory", but it doesnt cover up the massive collusion. deception and fraud that us prevalent in much of the scientific community. (This is not an endorsement of any candidate, public figure or individual statements by anyone mentioned in your interview.)

[@dano1346]

So, if we all can agree that there are problems with collusion, fraud, politicization, censorship and deception within the scientific community, why should we not be reasonably skeptical of data and methods?

[@DrJenCaudle]

This interview is very important. Thank you for doing this. We, as physicians, need to speak truth and speak OUR truth more often. In this day and age, we have no choice but to speak up. Glad you both have with this interview

[@DavidFekke]

I am surprised that Offit still believes the wet food market lie.

[@joshfarrow9707]

Dr John Campbell had a good video showing a study that had a large analysis and showed proof that the virus is human engineered.

[@ptanji]

He believes the studies and science that reached that conclusion. Absolutely no lie. @12:24

[@ravenofthewild]

Are you saying You know the truth? And, if so what do you believe it is and can you back it up? Honestly, not judging, but what I hear in this statement is that you think You know something these men don't, can you clarify?

[@valeriehancock1724]

I’ll so surprised he still believes that as well. Interesting! Many doctors and scientists do not believe that any more.

[@joshfarrow9707]

@ravenofthewild so what was shown was their too many electrons for it to be a naturally forming disease.

[@smithmdmd]

Lost me at calling RFK science denier without giving any concrete examples in the next few minutes. We need to improve our dialogue over demagoguery.

[@Eric-wd7kx]

he is literally an anti vax science denier. He got 80 kids killed in Samoa by convincing their parents not to vaccinate them (and we're not talking about the COVID vaccine).

[@Eric-wd7kx]

he literally said no vaccine was of value, not even the polio vaccine. you're in denial dude

[@magnusarvid4161]

@@Eric-wd7kx Have you ever looked at any of those statements in context xD I think this is the attitude that spawned this comment

[@djanitatiana]

They literally provided examples of RFK refusing to acknowledge the facts around thimerosal here! The reality is RFK is part of the demagoguery cartel that functions by destroying trust in our institutions with disinformation and attempting exploit the vacuum in trust to usurp power. Trump showed the way and MAGA is refining it. To believe RFK is to be a science denier.

[@GoSolar]

You don't think that RFKjrs assertion that HIV does not cause AIDS counts as an example?

[@veim2406]

Glad to learn the COVID virus did not come from the COVID virus lab.

[@alexazukowski2412]

Lost me when started talking about mandating vaccines and natural immunity wasn’t mentioned at all.

[@alanjackson1015]

You obviously stopped listening when they talked about natural immunity being as good as vaccination

[@heathers4449]

He definitely mentioned natural immunity and how it likely provided a broader immunity. He also talked about the many mistakes in public health communication. If you're feeling open-minded, listen to the whole episode, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised and may even soften your stance on a strongly held opinion or two.

[@christopherdainton4224]

Offit talked at length about natural immunity.

[@Highspade]

LOL - What does it feel like to go through life missing what is right under your nose?

[@scoobydoo3928]

Natural immunity comes at a cost. Some people will die.

[@SpicyRedCork]

Definitely sharing this with my public health nursing students. The discussion of communication and science during COVID and the after effects is AMAZING.

[@jopiet821]

Bobby Kennedy makes no claims about himself, but he can read, I recommend you try it! I knw the vaccine problems for 45 years now, and from Doctors and nurses who deal with these problems!

[@mirandamassoo7136]

I’d trust rfk j more than you two every day of the week.

[@Logotic]

It's great to see Dr. Offit once again, he's been one of the few bright lights of this whole plague era. Speaking of which, it would be equally great to see Monica Gandhi again, and hear her thoughts at the five-year mark.

[@0150Tricia]

What causes Autism and why has it increased?

[@Sceince01]

Mostly genes . Inclusion of other diagnosis as autism spectrum , late pregnancies etc . Absolutely nothing to do with vaccines

[@junetrenholm9810]

It remains to be seen BUT what RFK has said is that he will not stop people from taking vaccines. He will focus on healthy foods. He will make data on the c shot technology available and risk factors will be made public. Other vaccines will have more studies to investigate efficacy and risks. I’m not sure who will be doing those studies. Mandated vaccines will likely be sidelined while allowing those who want them to get them - unless they call into a risk category, I suppose. Transparency will be the strategy.

[@regbhyyu]

But he will convince a lot of parents not to give kids the polio and measles vaccines and kids will needlessly suffer because of the stupidity of this pathological Kennedy as was his mother.

[@Denise_Suzanne]

His voice is not one of someone having great health. I don't trust him as far as I could throw him. He was a crack addict for God's sake. His entire family has said he is very mentally unwell, too.

[@muchada1]

Very informative. I love hearing from Dr. Offit

[@Rob-me8vp]

This is a clown show. This interview is so disingenuous.

[@williamverhoef4349]

There problem is that the anti-vaccine activists exaggerate every mistake and twist good communication into a bad interpretation. The other problem is that 50% of Americans have a libertarian tendency and many of those react aggressively to any government decisions that they perceive as being against their personal liberty. In Australia we did not have those problems at least to the same degree. We have a rather ineffective anti-vaccine influence, and we have a collectivist tendency, meaning we have no real issue with cooperating with the government that has no problem listening to the public health experts. As a result, we did not have the problem you had with communication or getting the public to cooperate. As a result, we had a COVID-19 mortality rate since the start of the pandemic that was about 1/4 that of the US and our health care system never became overwhelmed.

[@margaretgalvin279]

A majority of councillors in Port Hedland, in WA's north-west, have voted in favour of a motion calling for an "immediate suspension" of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@margaretgalvin279 "A majority of councillors in Port Hedland, WA" is a small minority of all Australians. Follow-up: "WA Premier tells Port Hedland council 'stick to knitting' after anti-COVID vaccine motion passes". Premier Roger Cook said the Port Hedland council had gone "off the rails" by spreading the unverified claim. "It's another example of that council lacking the focus on the issues which matter to their constituents … making sure they look after the people, not get distracted by these silly ideological debates." I think my point stands.

[@margaretgalvin279]

@@williamverhoef4349 A minority that is waking up from group think. The media has been suppressing the facts since the outset, Zuckerberg admitted he censored credible science information. The public that only listens to mainstream media have no other yard stick except propaganda. Mind you they are choosing propaganda, because Dr. Peter McCullough gives excellent peer reviewed science information on the dangers of these shots. It is worth checking him out on courageous discourse.

[@susanpierce6424]

do you have any concerns that Dr Oz is a big proponent of privatizing Medicare? this is very problematic for me

[@PoetlaureateNFDL]

@@susanpierce6424 scary which way he may turn.

[@energysourcelove]

No I did not know that.

[@carolineXjpont]

These two are like the people who followed Rev Jim Jones- drink that Kool-Aid

[@lisamacgoogal5265]

Immunology 101 Do you understand the differences between the systemic immune system and the mucosal immune system? Many who’ve studied medical science knew from Day One that an intramuscular injection would not be effective for a respiratory viral disease. Then we were expected to believe that sufficient trial data could be gathered and good manufacturing practice (GMP) applied within impossible time periods. This interview insults our intelligence.

[@Elemenohpea440]

Paul Offit should be in charge of EVERYTHING! I’ve been a huge fan since my oldest daughter was born 16 years ago. I read his books and he calmed my nervous mommy mind. I love him, he has no idea how many young families he has helped:-)

[@nataliegist2014]

As a 60 year old dyslectic with ADHD, and on the Spectrum that found the carnivore diet, I can tell you that these two are wrong.

[@juliesharp5077]

A man that says healthy children should get the COVID vax? Average age of death from COVID was 82 years.

[@CCitis]

Paul Offit towing the party line

[@CowEatingAnt]

Great discussion, and I get Paul’s concern about hospitals being overwhelmed, but mandates are just wrong. You have to start with ethics and work within that framework. If you’re honest about the risks-like explaining how hospitals could reach capacity and what that means-people will adjust their behavior on their own. Some might get vaccinated, others might wear N95s, stay home more, or take other precautions. The point is, you don’t need to force people when you give them clear information and trust them to make their own decisions. That approach respects individual freedom and still addresses the problem.

[@ilikepanama]

I agree, specially if the vaccine itself was almost as new as the virus itself. People didn't know the risks of the new drug or vaccine. They were discovered later, like myocarditis, in some groups after many people were coerced into getting it.

[@margaretgalvin279]

Read 'What the Nurses Saw' astounding by Ken McCarthy

[@jvterk]

As a practicing pediatrician who has worked in the public health advocacy space for my entire career, I can see that we are entering truly dark times. Of course, there are external events such as the confluence of the pandemic, social media, and political division that have occurred. So many opportunists (RFK, Mercola, Oz, etc.) have seized the moment to elevate themselves to acquire greater power and influence for their own sakes. But, I have concluded that what will be actually central to our collective failure to protect my patients is the loss of facts and evidence as the foundation of what we consider to be the truth. The substitution of what we believe (no matter how passionately) for what can be supported by actual facts and evidence will ultimately doom my efforts to serve my patients interests by protecting them from preventable disease. And when measles comes back (and it will), the obfuscation of truth will prevent us from learning and repeating the same mistakes again. My conscience will be clear though. I have done my best and that is all I can do. Thank you Drs. Damania and Offit for using your influence beneficently and in service to our patients.

[@VioletFemme810]

Ok I stopped listening at the Wuhan Market theory.

[@spearamintwolf6225]

Same

[@BDnevernind]

Yeah that was embarrassing. That study was thoroughly debunked. It demonstrated 2 spreader events at the market that both happened after other cases were known. This guy thinks the virus jumped to humans twice in the same place at different times???

[@BDnevernind]

Yeah that was embarrassing. That study was thoroughly debunked. It demonstrated 2 spreader events at the market that both happened after other cases were known. This guy thinks the virus jumped to humans twice in the same place at different times???

[@cityturbofly]

the genome sequencing shows it was spliced into it. human made. never seen in the wild how far they look. dude is too trusting in the gov backed studies...

[@x3r0h0ur]

​@@cityturboflythis is definitely not true

[@ToniGeiselman]

He said he lied to us and now we should believe him? Hmmmm Dr. Z has been all over the place on this.

[@kevine.lemaster8473]

@@ToniGeiselman 💯

[@vaggeto]

Is there a time stamp that applies to this? What do you mean by he said he lied to us?

[@ToniGeiselman]

@@vaggeto he just said it in this video.

[@danielgallant4986]

So I would like to know why VP wasn't here? I'm pretty sure he would have pushed harder than ZD did. Was his absence a condition of Paul appearing? The conspiracy theorist in me wants to know.

[@dcevans60]

I wish KZbin had a laugh emoji. These anti-vax, anti-science comments are seriously deranged.

[@margotbw4660]

Glad to hear Dr. Offit stood up for us when he voted for "natural immunity". People most certainly ARE able to understand nuance and should not be treated like eejits.

[@fastenit27]

If the US was a football team positioned at or near the bottom of the rankings year after year, it would have fired the head coach, the assist coach, the offensive coordinator, the defensive coordinator, benched the quarterback, etc. 1.) The US had some of the worst outcomes from COVID-19 among all industrialized countries. (14th highest death rate among all countries) 2.) The US ranks very low among the industrialized nation in education in both math and science. 3.) The US. has the highest rate of people with multiple chronic conditions. 4.) The US is the highest spending country worldwide when it comes to health care. 5.) The US is ranked at 48th in the world in life expectancy, just above Estonia. 6.) The U.S. records more than 5 infant deaths per 1,000 live births, far exceeding the rates in other high-income countries.

[@lorawilliams346]

and 77 percent of US military age young adults are not fit to serve in the military..RFK jr sees the problem and wants to fix it as opposed to kissing butts of elites..

[@livingitup9647]

Blech! Disgusting gaslighting from supposed professionals! I haven't trusted Paul Offit for YEARRRRRSSSSS!!!!!

[@papikilljoy1215]

You lost me at wet market...

[@dhoddle]

12 times more likely to be hospitalized if you weren't vaccinated? I want to see this data. I want to read all the studies. There still is not a way to "read all the studies" and become an informed consumer.

[@markrand652]

Email Offit and he will likely send you what you want to read.

[@margaretgalvin279]

Dr. James Lyons-Weiler puts out great science info on all of this.

[@lisalitman9769]

Great conversation. I hope you will continue to have Dr Offit and others to discuss what unfolds in the next four years with respect to public health.

[@kellymyers461]

Great show! Thank you so much!! "Science is true whether you believe it or not." Neil Degrasse Tyson.

[@porterweeks1751]

This would have been great if RFKJ had been part of the conversation. And you don't need to debate him... Interview him with Paul and when he cites studies that you don't like, go through them in real time with him. Go through the reasons you believe it is wrong- have Vinay there! Have a 4 hour interview if needed or longer. Instead of calling him a liar without letting him respond, have a conversation and maybe we can all benefit from your collaborated views! This is the whole point. This is the way to regain trust- if smart educated people from both sides can come together and discuss different perspectives and learn from one another to improve medicine, everybody wins. There are so many of us right now who don't know who to believe anymore. This is why Joe Rogan is so popular- he doesn't have skin in the game and he takes the time to do these long form interviews and truly just wants to learn and we are all seeking honesty and transparency (as Dr. Offit states). Nuance is important. I agree with you both on many things, but I would love to hear you discuss all of the claims made in The Real Anthony Fauci with RFKJ in real time. That would be so great!

[@janinepera8338]

This is how Offit and ZDogg operate. They refuse to have a debate or conversation with RFK Jr. This is why I don’t respect them.

[@mattyr40]

If the science on vaccine is so perfect. then why do different countries have different schedules ? same wiyh floutide in drinking water?

[@imhungryru]

I like the part about doing your own research. "Just reading other peoples opinions " . 1 of the things i learned at the beginning of the "pandemic", was the difference between relative risk vs actual risk! Look it up, its a bit tricky to understand and they use that to lie to us about how effective it is!

[@donnaleonard2489]

Wow these comments are brutal. I heard a lot honesty and humility in your talk Zdogg. It was a terrifying and confusing time and so much damage was done to the integrity healthcar, but to see these comments is disheartening to say the least. So all of modern medicine is just wrong? Where is the critical thinking in that? This makes sense though why people are following RFK, It’s utterly mad