Zed Is Ruining League of Legends

Zed: the legendary assassin that used to be the one-shot king, never the strongest meta pick but incredibly dangerous in the right hands at the right time.
Now though, he’s being banned in more than 1 in 3 games of League of Legends. For many people, he’s turned into a monster. Here’s why.
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[@insanity526]

Haven't even watched the video but I'm betting they show the Faker clip

[@DannyBurke]

I managed not to! Very hard though.

[@insanity526]

@@DannyBurke I stand corrected and as a weaker man who would have fallen to temptation, I respect it.

[@calebsmith254]

​@@insanity526Congrats, you are old. 😂

[@Vladd0r]

Aaand they didn't Edit: And yes, you're old 😋

[@destinynoell1643]

😊😮😮😂😂❤

[@TranslateAmerican]

While I don't disagree that the ability haste build isn't really healthy for the game, using zed's ban rate as an argument feels really weak to me. Zed's banrate historically hovers around 35%, if you look at league of graphs, his current banrate has been normal for about 8 years.

[@BearGamerful]

The banrate argument it's about high elo ban rate not general playerbase

[@alvinlee1697]

@@BearGamerful Zed's banrate in high elo is almost never the highest, compared to the general playerbase that absolutely despises Zed High elo players ban champions that Riot giga-buffed the shit out of (see: briar, leblanc [build]) because those champions run the meta.

[@zeevkeane6280]

The ban rate is not the argument, the fact that the ban rate skyrocketed is the argument.

[@freshlymemed5680]

@@alvinlee1697They ban either giga-buffed champs or recently released champs cus no one wants to play against a champ they have zero idea about (or lets be real, they never bother learning what they do).

[@kelvinmonteiro6485]

He's always has been banned like that, i cannot play him for more then 4 games with luck

[@FalcnPWNCH]

ability haste was one reason URF-mode became literally obsolete stopped being a unique game mode long time ago (-aside from just being the only featured game mode and people grew sick of it) - ability haste is so abundant and efficient that you could literally achieve URF-mode-levels of cooldown reduction for your spells on game to game basis with no particular effort

[@Celmondas]

Rito really needs to adjust their approach regarding Ability Haste. The whole stat is in an absurd position right now

[@CalaTec]

Riot saw that people enjoys URF as casual play and decided a few years ago that normals and ranked should be like that too. Some champions ults have such a low CD that sometimes, after a fight, they come back to lane with ult up again in mid late game. There is no window to say, ohh this guy used his ult, now I can engage. You have to think that they always have ult late game because the CDs are so low...

[@einjharrelraca]

maybe if the stat wasn't just ducktaped to every assassin item in the game it wouldn't be an issue. i mean seriously only 2 fucking lethality items DONT have ability haste just slapped onto them for no reason. one is edge of night, and the other is serpents fang. go figure, the two lethality items built the least.

[@einjharrelraca]

@@CalaTec my problem with ekko exactly XD. 22s get out of jail free card on a "high risk" high reward champion.

[@Nexicated]

They acknowledged the problem when talking about the state of items. Mythic passives that give ability haste are the main problem. Having items give you up to 50 ability haste on their own. Once the preseason hits they should (hopefully) have scaled down on ability haste especially for ad assasssins.

[@einjharrelraca]

@Nexicated its not even just that. Go look at lethality items. Only 2 of them dont have ability haste just stapled onto them, and go figure, its the 2 situational ones that hardly ever get built.

[@user-gi6hd5ol6f]

"This is a Zed Issue" Meanwhile Gragas Haste

[@midgur]

impregnator gragas

[@vedantgupta2145]

that is completely impractical tho

[@CelphTitled7]

​@@midgurdude whenever he hits me with his dash, thats what i am thinking every single god damn time

[@ratas258]

Gragas needs 40minute game btw 😂

[@Sinaeb]

it's not zed's fault it's riot's

[@altrexalvarez7113]

🥸

[@galatea1550]

if the title says "riot is ruining league of legends" would you still have watched it? lmao hahaha

[@Sinaeb]

@@galatea1550It wouldn't have needed a correction because it would be factual

[@dakooie5682]

I mean, yeah? But if you say any aspect of the game is ruining it, it’s the devs fault, they made it. You making the correction is acting like zed is sentient lol.

[@Sinaeb]

@@dakooie5682He is tho

[@johnwelter7081]

Im hoping with the Mythic removal and, im assuming, some item reworking that ability haste's proliferation will be scrutinized and reevaluated. Im also hoping the removal of Duskblade will make things alittle better. We'll see tho...

[@edymiguel4247]

I disagree on removing duskblade, but something needs to change so us adc players dont build it as much as now

[@raulsauceda7392]

Duskblade wont be getting removed. The real question is will it keep the passive. Maybe they will keep the damage part and remove the untargetable part.

[@themanwhocantbemovedbyatru1988]

​@@raulsauceda7392 it's only good for champs like Zed though because of his shadow and ability haste build. My thoughts on how to fix this is to tweak ability haste. 150 ability haste is 60% cooldown reduction, so why not put a 50% cap on AH instead? Zed's shadow has a cd of 14 seconds at max level, but goes down to 5.6 seconds at 150 AH. Putting a cap will solve that problem because Zed wouldn't be able to spam his shadow for a few seconds, and that's all it takes to pin him down.

[@hasanpatel9029]

not only the fact that he can outspam you while being in a relative safe distance is that once zed completes duskblade its gg, a good Zed player will go in into the squishy supp or adc burst him get a kill and with the duskblade ability get out relative unscathed and resume wreaking havoc.

[@einjharrelraca]

its worse than that. he rushes ravenous hydra (atleast in my elo). so you cant poke him down, or out wave clear him. its the most aids shit. top laners are crying about lb top as if this shit doesn't exist XD

[@AndrejPVR]

Thats the way how you play zed. Genius. Take hydra from him and he is useless. So many nerfs and low damage. Cant kill a tank. He obly can kills squeshies. Thats it. I don’t understand why people are crying that match at zed. Pls stop cry hes not even that god. There are much more powerful champs und Borken chmaps as zed. Stop crying pls

[@anristellariza9036]

@@AndrejPVR bois we found the delusional zed main

[@einjharrelraca]

@AndrejPVR delusional. "I cant kill tanks". Yeah, thats the price you pay for being able to zero counterplay instant kill squishies.

[@jasonochoa7876]

@@einjharrelraca Dumb dumb zed can ONLY kill squishies thats the problem. He struggles against bruisers and tanks. Even mages are hard to kill because riot gave them the most broken build paths. So get over it, he cant oneshot mages cuz zhonyas, tanks cuz hes weak as apeshit, bruisers because life steal is unhealthy asf rn, and even adc's are hard to kill when you space yourself properly in a team fight so yes if your farming solo in side lane zed gets to clap u.

[@calebsmith254]

I love this Danny! I barely play league anymore but thank you for keeping me posted on what is happening.

[@s1eepyash]

As a assassin main yeah I agree that ability haste really shaped assassin, mainly zed towards a drastic impact towards the game. But the thing they really should have looked at is that now a days Zed players are taking First Strike and Inspiration as the core build of Zed. Becuz of Zed safe farming, 1 proc from First Strike will not only do bonus damage but gives him some free gold. To get ability haste he needs to afford it, and with some farming, the first strike proc, and the help of future market it helps Zed be able to get ability haste quickly in the early game, where then he is able to spam w and ult whenever. Problem is that having that ability to farm gold so early without even get kills would mean you don't feel like you are falling behind with your team and against the enemy. Zed only needs 2 items to reach his power spike to delete the player and once he gets more it then he gets to what we call the king "Unkillable". Ability Haste is the major problem, but some of the keys in Inspiration getting free gold helps factor in the problem for champions including Zed to get Ability Haste early as possible causing games to end before FF is possible.

[@beast2545]

couldn't agree more. As a zed main, first strike not only provides strong poke, but ALSO tons and tons of gold. I shouldn't be getting my duskblade/eclipse 11 minutes in before they even get t2 boots.

[@0xmizu]

i think ever since the design philosophy to include ability haste on every item, ontop of the existence of ravenous hydra pushes the champ into a really strong state. (on a personal note, i don't really like the current design state of league of legends and i'm a zed main) if riot were to ask me on how to nerf him, i say just increase energy cost on all of his abilities, remove the ability to regain energy from hitting MINIONS and have it coded to be specifically for champions only. i feel like his waveclear is pretty strong with the itemization with ravenous hydra, and i think removing resource that allows him to spam that is good enough to do so.

[@winniebee7561]

completely agree. sometimes i feel like riot forgets that there are a lot more factors to balance around and energy (whether thats cost, regeneration, cap, etc) would be a good place to look into for champs like zed.

[@arveejaycastro0216]

That’s basically saying just kill Zed, increase energy skill cost and remove ability regain on minion hits? Imagine you’re gonna clear a wave and uses your skills to clear a wave and enemies jumped on you how are you gonna survive with a high cost energy W? Thus people saying increase W cooldown? That’s a joke, I’m also a Zed main if that will happen Zed will be unplayable and useless in every game. If that is balance I ain’t playing. Zed and LB are my main and they’re getting banned left and right. Tho tank Talon with haste and damage is pretty good if Zed and LB is banned.

[@freshlymemed5680]

@@arveejaycastro0216 Local Zed main doesn't want his busted ass champ to have counter play and windows of vulnerability.

[@zzzblya2165]

not good idea considering they're removing items and mythics soon.

[@HollowR1130]

@@arveejaycastro0216 No, that's punishing you for throwing all your shit on a wave. Which is the whole point, that he can shove the wave, poke you while doing so and still retain a healthy amount of energy, it's absolutely ridiculous... The champion is already unfair to play against and the ability haste + his stupid energy regen don't help, not to mention the very low CD at some point, it feels like he is playing on urf mode. Disgusting champion.

[@DX2ification]

Look at the cleanse Look at the moves Zed... What was that

[@einjharrelraca]

bring back old qss.

[@zachtemoro2116]

Ability haste as a whole is not a Zed problem and frankly not even really an Assassin problem. Anyone who’s gotten perma CC’d by blitzcrank or perma Blind by Teemo knows this way to well … Its also funny how Ability haste seemingly reflects the role of Auto Attack Champs/ADC’s now where having an ability up 24/7 that does all your dmg is more valued than the main appeal of the champs pick

[@cat-vv9xb]

The difference is you can dodge hook and kite Blitzcrank and Teemo blind only works on autos. Try doing that to Zed who has you perma slowed, he dodges all your skillshots between his shadows, has ult to gapclose and dodge even more spells and autos. And then he does everything again in less than 5 seconds because of his 120 ability haste.

[@xaius4348]

I think it depends on the assassin, some assassins should look for a perfect opportunity to get a pick and then play passive after oneshotting a target, and others should be spamming mobility to dance in and out of fights without going down (while helping allies finish off injured opponents.) Same goes for scaling. I'm cool with early game assassins like shaco who fall off hard, and other assassins like old Akali who are useless until they get a couple kills converted into items. Just modify champion scaling with base stats vs item stats, not all of them should feel the exact same. and for cooldowns... Nerf Haste, and just give assassins more skill level based cooldowns if that's what you want.

[@osyrisking5437]

Shaco does NOT fall off hard lol.

[@Bi0s7t4r]

It simply doesn't pay off to go for full assassin one shoot build with the amount of defensive and utility options in the game. You might consider this a Zed issue since he's obnoxious to face due to his W's low cooldown but don't forget about AD LeBlanc, Bruiser Talon, Kayn,Khazix. It's an issue with the game that I hope will be resolved with the removal of Mythic items and champion adjustments.

[@pieton9346]

there is something about assassins where as soon at they become the most powerful in the game every one freaks out. I think because so many people get frustrated playing against them. which makes people quick to call out a broken assassin when they see it. Also the one shots help to point it out.

[@fastcow7013]

No not really zed just has 400 damage qs on a 2s cd The literal only assassin that's this safe and can poke this hard

[@einjharrelraca]

@@fastcow7013 dont forget that his q's aren't dodgeable on reflex anymore. you can only dodge them via prediction, so a 50/50

[@einjharrelraca]

people point out assassin meta's because assassins inherently lack counterplay. they are the most mobile class in the game, right up there with bruiser. they were suppose to be the "high risk, high reward" picks, yet they are now the safest champions in the game bar none, without giving up any of their high reward. Add in that most assassin's are hilariously easy to play and well, aids class is aids.

[@TimOver-ch7pw]

@@einjharrelraca salty silver spotted assasins are one of the hardest roles in the game 400dmg qs on 2sec cd ? look at ori syndra late... same thing just even more dmg ^^

[@Sheltur_0311]

@@TimOver-ch7pwyeah but thats late zed has 400 damage q’s at essentially 2-3 items

[@drrockd9460]

We all know that Riot will just swing that nerf hammer at the wrong shadow clone

[@einjharrelraca]

they find a way to blame adcs and nerf zeal or some shit again.

[@siegfriedyvojcic8294]

Here in PH server Zed is almost banned in every low elo rank and in high elo it is about 60-70% of the games especially before his ult was nerfed but still up until now he is widely banned in all ranked games almost

[@iko8465]

I do think that Ability haste is much more fragile and abused than the old CDR capped at 45%. I’m not a fan of Ability haste but i see the benefits for it too mages and enchanters.

[@CelphTitled7]

cant wait to see my enchanters suffer after the haste nerfs because of a few assassins...

[@einjharrelraca]

Its not ability haste itself that is the issue. The issue is EVERY FUCKING ASSASSIN ITEM has ability haste ducktaped to it. I'm exaggerating a little bit. There are two assassin items without haste on them...... serpents fang and edge of night. You know, the two hyper situational ones that hardly ever get built. XD

[@synthoslive6879]

Abilitiy haste into damage. Maybe some champs could get Ability Haste ratios into damage, rather than actually lowering there abilties. Crazy change but if they get this, they could have some abilities fixed to a cooldown rather than be able to spam.

[@starstreakalex7372]

simpler idea would be to just lower the amount of cdr on items

[@synthoslive6879]

@starstreakalex7372 the one problem is that showing spear exists, it's a plague

[@CelphTitled7]

​@@starstreakalex7372and make champs who need that cdr to function normally, suffer ? just because of one champ ??

[@phenex5190]

Honestly putting katarina passive on the transcendence rune at lvl 11 was a really weird change and definitely attributes a lot to shit like this. Zed's not balanced around getting cooldown resets

[@Reptilian_Bunny]

Unlike Katarina, Zed and most champions can't just mindlessly spam abilities abusing trascendence because of mana/energy issues. Even using Conqueror (for PoM) and building 160 Ability Haste Zed still can't just throw shurikens in the air non stop because one of his most important mechanics is that you have to land at least 2 shurikens on a target (or a kill with PoM) for energy refund. Trascendence is not the problem.

[@aster2308]

This happens when you dont have innate stat gains and all abilities have some sort of Damage Scaling, every item becomes extremely hard to balance, because theyre either going to be TOO BROKEN (i.e Providing more of what they can offer) or TOO WEAK (Providing LESS of what they can offfer) Oh welp, im glad that i left that game, saves me some trouble of actually madling because of Dev team not knowing how to balance properly

[@Koko-de8re]

Honestly just give him lethality scalings on his ability’s like on Pyke and negative AH scalings to incentives players to play assassin lethality builds instead of the current one, like all his ability’s scale with let’s say -150%-200% AH, so the more AH he builds the less damage he does, so instead of being able to oneshot every few seconds he now has to use multiple rotations to kill, but if he builds lethality he has higher cooldowns but can oneshot once so often

[@anemosupremacy9386]

This comment shows how little the playerbase knows anything LMAO this was EXACTLY what riot was trying to avoid and it's because zed having actual damage is something people actually didn't like. Truth is that zed laning fucking sucks but people are too shit to abuse that. I've been spamming ori a lot and she shits on him, and that's a matchup I'd normally love as a zed player back in S5 because zed instapops ori any stage of the game because back then he actually did damage.

[@kakkadasekazvam3968]

​@@anemosupremacy9386yeah people are just refusing to learn how to itemize (+runes) the only instance you can pretend zed deals dmg is if he has opted into first strike (which is a broken rune WHICH everyone can abuse) and has farmed you whole Laning phase, which means you played badly and he gains item advantage early, 2nd instance is when he goes electrocute ignite which is cheese bro that's why it kills you 1v1 and almost every melee assassin-like champ can do it and there isn't much counterplay except laning well

[@andrethegiant6969]

I've been playing since beta and have a physical release of the game, I still have a poster of unicorn soraka all the outrageous character designs although I miss ryze. I even played HON and all that. They made the game to cooperative. I climbed to high diamond in Season 2 and 3 by being good. I didn't have to listen to insane teammates. Even if my teammates were doing bad, I would just take teleport mid so i could abuse that the enemy team dove them and get a free double off their double. They changed the game to make teamwork integral with strangers, and when they mess up, it doesn't matter how hard you try, it's a nightmare in high elo's. Peak league for me, was ranked Garen / Lux against 2 league devs, and our jungle dc'd and we absolutely stomped them. And after the game they actually loved we played that combo and were super impressed.

[@Shiro_Sora]

It’s crazy how all of this started once onZed made it popular to build Hydra first and max W 2nd

[@holocene9953]

they gotta seperate bruisers from assasins

[@justinharman9073]

Editor miss spelled Phreak in the title.

[@taito7274]

3:44 So why did assassins start building bruiser items and and ability haste? Because over the years assassins got gutted more and more and did less damage over time, so they got more utility. I mean, riot now self admittedly states that they are moving assassins away from one shotting, so that explains why the role evolved that way over the last couple of years. Ability haste especially on zed is fun and all, but its not fun to deal no damage, and its not fun to play against a bruiser/mage assassin.

[@lussor1]

Nobody that mains zed or any assassin likes to build bruiser instead the old full lethality build that used to work

[@Ezekiel_Burton]

I hate it. I prefer lethality build where you actually need good shadow management and understanding of resetting it via E, you need to hit your q's consistently because you max W last so you don't get good energy regen and W costs more. The risk reward is higher and more satisfying to pull off. The hydra build puts me to sleep and requires no brain, just playing safe and scaling until you become a monster.@@lussor1

[@Firebringer121]

Are we not gonna talk about blitzcrank chilling at 4th on the ban percentage list?

[@Helpmediscern]

TFW you see a theScore esports video with less than 300 views and you get consumed with momentary confusion that is inevitably swept away by a realization… the video has been live for 120 seconds. *sigh of relief* things make sense

[@dependentmany8359]

I’m sure they keep it this way for marketing, if you think about it, every lane has a champion that does feel over-tuned under the right circumstances. That’s because it makes people want to try out different roles. For example, Top has Darius, Jungle has Lee Sin, Mid lane has Zed, Adc has Kai’sa & Support has Thresh. That’s just one of many. If every bot laner was like Aphelios is right now, no one would be interested in trying out Adc.

[@Raspstrike]

he says: "more optimal", me: "closes the video"

[@zem7779]

one nerf i suggest is the increase his W cooldown with maybe 2 secs (?) and make his E cooldown regen when hitting champions scale with points into the spell from 2 sec reduction flat to 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2

[@arthaxxuwu]

as a zed main i switched to the cdr/conq build since a little before the durability patch....with the normal build the damage was soooooo damn low that adcs wouldn't even bother dodging combos and face tank it even if they are 1 or 2 levels below you and adcs like kaisa would just straight up one shot u back since u had to place shadows nearby to land all 3 qs meanwhile ap assassins just one shot at the press of few buttons full unga bunga mode and it was just a horrible experience as a fan of zeds high risk high reward and stylish gameplay. I personally do think the cdr creep had made zed very non interactive to play against..I play with my brother often and he is also a zed fan...he stuck with the lethality build but after explaining how I use zed as an ad mage now because he just doesn't function like an assassin anymore and showed him how good the cdr build is..he made the switch too and got instant results. key takeaways are : 1- Since the cdr build gives u a strong late game u can sacrifice landing phase and even take runes like conq/first strike with minion demat/demolish with second wind with d shield while keeping up in cs with a relatively safe landing phase if you just decide you're not gonna risk going for kills and play for waves and tower with good prior management to keep the enemy mid jg in check 2- god tier wave clear after ravenous completion...even earlier than lvl 9 if you have minion demat. 3- Heavy aoe dmg in team fights with lots of utility application such as armor shred/sheild break/healing reduce 4- the mobility aspect is the thing that made zed fun in the first place since his release but with such bonkers cdr you don't need to place risky shadows to absolutely land all q's....instead can play for poke even using ult to get someone low at the start of the fight and with the aoe maybe get some valuable dmg off on rest of the enemies...also enables better shadow refreshes in the midst of the whole enemy team due to perma w availability with proper cdr refreshing by landing abilities on multiple enemies. So, I do like the fact that zed is strong rn but its a different kinda zed and its not worth it if I never get to play him cuz of the ban rate.

[@zan6585]

This isn’t a zed issue, this is them removing the previous cdr cap, you can show clips of fed zeds in high elo all you want but you can do that with so many champs. His ban-rate has always been high because if you play him well and get fed he’s a menance, behind he’s so incredibly useless if you play him enough tho. Like one of the most useless champs when he can’t kill anyone. I think some of his w cd could go because the scaling is kinda insane but it’s only when he gets his late game spike that he gets arguably a little over-tuned.

[@leoblue2002]

Riot should add CDR multiplier as a tuning lever. for example, all mobility spells should have a 0.75 CDR mult, this would mean cdr does not reduce those abilities cooldowns as much. this would nerf all divers, who deserve it as they are not fun to play or play against.

[@duranburnett]

I get the concept, but why not just nerf all mobility abilities?

[@leoblue2002]

@@duranburnett Because Movement Speed itemization should be allowed to have its own Identity. and CDR reducing Movement spell cooldowns takes away from the uniqueness of movement speed as a stat. in short, Spamming dashes should not be better then building movement speed. Nerfing the CDR Ratio specifically reduces the range of possible dash cooldowns allowing designers more control over mobility power levels.

[@duranburnett]

@@leoblue2002i am not talking about movement speed, i am talking about mobility abilities, like dashes and jumps.

[@paultru8600]

Or just get better zed is literly d tier and gets countered by stopwatch Ga

[@happywiz1833]

I've been playing for a year and a half. And banrate above 50% is a norm.

[@wangcity]

He just got hit hard with a nerf in the most recent patch, my main :(((

[@cheepee5563]

Okay if they actually remove haste from items like black cleaver death's dance and hydra the bruisers will be basically gone

[@pozisus7712]

can get 185 abilty haste:) so much fun to play with w that often

[@saltylemonz258]

Man... I pity Zed mains. They can't be in a good spot. They are always too underwhelming or just too powerful.

[@jasonochoa7876]

We've been too underwhelming. I'll be 13/3 and still lose 1v1's to tanks and bruisers who are 4/6 cuz of how weak zed is rn. U have to play with 100% of ur brain vs everyone else using champs like garen, mundo, olaf, and other monkeys who can just run it down and kill u. I have a 55% wr with him but jesus every game is a battle.

[@DronesOverTheMoon]

​@@jasonochoa7876You are expected to loose to the people that literally aren't vulnerable to Burst damage lol, it's just how it works

[@cyb6301]

so expect to get one shot by a zed if you play a mage or an adc, I can guarantee that every single person who is complaining right now about zed, plays these roles. The durability patch has buffed mages and adcs by a lot that playing a traditional assassin build path is useless. I play katarina aswell, guess what she loses almost every lane and even if she's ahead, its always a struggle to carry without bruiser items like divine and wits. Talon's best build path right now is a bruiser build because the assassin items just don't get the job done. You don't see assassins complain about zhonyas, because we get that there must some counter play to one shot combos and such. Assassins as a whole are in a bad spot right now, and I don't see people complaining about sion hull breaker, tri force going mid or Duskblade kaisa. Every item is open to build on any champ, so it isn't our fault for taking advantage of what works best for us right now.@@DronesOverTheMoon

[@123youbia]

​@@jasonochoa7876sir, these champs have classes that are not supposed to be assassinated by... assassins. Read what you wrote.

[@millionelectricvolts6117]

​@@123youbiathe point was that he was so fed but still loses to lower econ players using tanks/bruisers

[@tristanbryan3067]

Feel like this would be fixed if instead of energy he needed mana? Makes sense cause shadow magic and would help tame his q poke a little bit so if not played well you wouldnt have enough to all in early game. Makes zed back more giving oppenents more time to farm and such.

[@mellifluousssx2703]

he doesn’t get a lot of energy though, only way he does is PoM rune or hitting both abilities from shadow and himself on same target. if he misses he’s gutted for a hot minute

[@marvinericdelosreyes]

Its easy to fix this, either prolong zed's base cd on skills or just put a cap on him like how attack speed is capped on senna and jhin.

[@YeezusGhoul]

I think LL Stylish explains Zed the best. Sure, if he gets ahead or it gets late into the game he is a pain. But realise how many champs are like this. Zed actually needs to land skillshots to do anything under normal circumstances, usually dealing less damage than others of his assasin peers. So, what is the things that grind peoples gears? Probably just how mobile he is and the fact that his ultimate makes him untargetable.

[@034E]

I remember when the 10 bans first came out and zed's ban rate were almost 200%

[@TheSorrowfulAngel]

Something they could do for assassins is nerf their CDs. Haste is a contextual stat, after all. Higher CDs means haste is at the same time more effective(bigger reductions in raw seconds), but has a much harder time to get into the "problem"-zone of low CDs(like Zed right now, who is basically urfing). The problem with assassin items is mainly that there isnt anything "simple" you can give assassins instead of burst. They do not care about AS, for the most part. Defences should not be easily accessible to them. Haste isnt great, but the only stat that makes at least sense. More items like umbral glaive would be nice - the item is generally strong and does the job for assassins, while also not being pure burst power. But well, that's not a simple thing anymore, you'd need to go case by case. On the other hand, assassin kits can have much more levers. Well, not all do - some are pretty binary. But in general, on a kit, there is more stuff you can change to make assassins better without just directly buffing their one-shot potential into ludicrous levels. The problem is: Once the "low counterplay combo" one shots, assassins are OP and frustrating. If they get to that stage too easily, it's a big problem - and we are very close to that stage at all times these days.

[@intoHeck1964]

Dusk, ravenous, cleaver, grudge, axiom. Hows the stats look on tht again? Like 400ad, 60% armor shred, 300hp, some healing, and tons of ability haste. Could be wrong but i think im fairly close. Could one combo even a full tank malphite with this build, let alone an entire backline. No wonder hes almost 40% ban rate

[@intoHeck1964]

Issue with zed vs other assassins is range. Most assassins have short range, even in abilities so farming safely from range is harder. Zed doesnt have that issue with w, since it copies his abilities while giving him insane range or an out if he gets jumped while hes in the wave. He can safely farm out hard early matchups until he can run over entire teams solo

[@arforafro5523]

It's not a Zed problem, its a flat cooldown reduction on ability problem. Hecarim is also a nightmare to deal with because with ability haste and the Q passive he ends up spamming a medium damage AOE attack every .5 seconds and just shits on anything near him. Taric while not popular is unkillable by melee champions if played top or jungle instead of support and can solo kill most champions if he gets a stun off, same for Gragas. Zed has the same problem, his E shadow clone interaction lowers the cooldown on his W by a flat amount allowing Zed to consistently triple Q and triple E during fights once he gets enough ability haste. There's no reason to hold on to his W when its guaranteed to be available almost immediately after engaging the enemy team with 2 shadows. Ability haste is wild that much is true, but the problem is any champion that has a cooldown interaction couple with ability haste turning them into literal URF mode.

[@nicolasdanoviz2249]

Zed E only lowers his shadow cooldown (2 seconds per enemy hit) if zed himself hits enemies with E, not his shadows. He does get energy back if him and his shadows both hit the SAME target with the same ability (whether that be E or Q), but the cooldown part is only if he himself hits them.

[@samuelcavalcanti3345]

As much as i agree that Ability haste is a problem and Zed is the one that benefits the MOST, this is not a laning phase/early game issue like the 3:36 post implies. Zed can't use Shadow -> Shuriken repeatedly in lane cause his W has a high CD early (20 seconds), so unless you're letting him hit E's on you, Zed is literally useless for 15 seconds after his shadow (cause the shadow lasts for 5seconds) and if he misses then it's even worse, cause now hes got no energy too. If you can't punish him in that window then hes either under his tower or youre doing nothing. Second, you only get 100-0 by Zed with serrated dirk if he hits you with a triple shuriken + eletrocute + ignite, at which point you simply didnt dodge anything, and any other assassin hitting everything would have the same effect.

[@tsmknortlinger7064]

Litterally the first and only comment with common fuckin sense

[@AllStarKingD]

It's good that they want Assassins to build more haste but the problem with that is that Zed wasn't DESIGNED to have spamable abilities. His W and Ult are instant dashes, meaning with 60% haste, you aren't touching him.

[@einjharrelraca]

the issue isnt wanting Assassins to build more haste. the issue is that there was suppose to be a trade off where assassins doesn't get to overkill people by 4x their health bars. but riot fucking forgot about that last part. so now assassins just overkill people AND get the haste.

[@AllStarKingD]

@@Meerdx Zed is excellent right now, along with Talon. Must be gold or silver.

[@AllStarKingD]

@@einjharrelraca LOL you're so right for this

[@venum7603]

that happens late game mid game . when zed reach 4 items then he became Kass his early is shit if u kn how to play around it

[@jasonochoa7876]

@@AllStarKingD Bro i have a 55% wr with zed... hes in a terrible state. U only win games u perform godly on, its high risk medium reward. Also to put how weak he in into perspective, Zed99 and onzed are the 2 best zed players in the world and havent hit challenger this split. If the best players on the best server havent hit challenger on their one tricks yet it says something about the champ. Plus his wr and ban rate make him a shit one trick 49% wr with a 39% ban rate

[@Rasid312]

Played since season 3 where i got my victorious morgana up to 2015, it used to be fun where we play 5man team as time moves on i'm playing solo queue Its been ridiculous playing non stop clash for average 30mins per game with 50secs+ death timer, imagine farming all game and someone can solo burst you like this zed, not to mention the map still feels stay the same, same voice actress every game Unlike dota 2 you can customized all in game and the long death timer makes me gather my thoughts, where did i go wrong and you can make strategic buyback

[@findorbed]

Your tame impala picture is crooked, please fix :)

[@user-anas-bodla]

Make a story video on zyra

[@womblehunter]

Haste is ridiculous across the board. I play full haste renekton and my E is back up within 3-4 seconds. Its really not balanced. Perhaps they need to introduce misses and a new stat to reduce misses.

[@zepperman2679]

What i dont hear enough of is his seemingly infinite supply of energy. If hes using his abilities more, then he needs to wait for his energy to replenish, but that doesnt happen. He ahould be capped by his energy not his cooleowns.

[@softarmor111]

you obviously never played zed.

[@maddokuma8702]

Clueless. You can only kind of get that with a blue buff.

[@lussor1]

​@@maddokuma8702even with blue you have to wait a while if you didnt hit 2 Qs

[@Ezekiel_Burton]

Lol go play zed and consistently hit 2 q's or a melee + shadow w. And come back and tell me has unlimited energy, ur just delusional and can't dodge slow thin skillshots

[@skeletoncosplay]

what about hearsteel katarina and tank akali?

[@DominicD240]

One thing nobody seems to be mentioning in this discussion, either on Riot's end or in the many reddit posts is that, Riot's argument is they are moving AD Asssassins towards ability haste instead of damage to stop them one-shotting..........but current Zed gets both. Zed in his current state, as shown in one of the clips you used, can kill most people with just W and Q, one of his easiest to land combos, and can do that every 2 seconds because of the ability haste. I'd be okay with Riot's theoretical "move them away from one-shotting into casting more often" if that is what we had, but currently we have the worst of both worlds. We have someone who casts super often who still one shots.

[@mellifluousssx2703]

zed cannot kill squishies unless he has R or is 20/0 and this isn’t an exaggeration. it is insane to say zed is overpowered when he isn’t doing damage like that. the clip at the start that zed was giga fed based on the level and EoN which u build almost last

[@artinamiri503]

No zed never kills anyne with wq at best u kill squishies with wqew auto if u are fed while i agree zed mage build is stronger than it should but his lethality build is around 45%winrate so it balences his winrates causing deves to not be able to nerf his hydra build without nerfing his lethality build more

[@steventhomas4499]

Any champion that WILL kill you if they appear even at the edge of your screen will ALWAYS be a hated champion. The only counter play becomes macro game which can be way too intense for your average player. In low elo, no one wards efficiently if at all, so there's no room to even outmacro. Your game becomes "hope mid doesn't feed or else FF 15"

[@xaius4348]

With so much haste, how do Zed players manage their energy bars?

[@taihsu2173]

POM and don't miss anything as far as I can tell. cause I wanna give up first strike or electrocute for more movement *eye roll*

[@iwanomorgan6557]

We already hate Zed here in PH ever since the beginning lmao "Cuz he got no mana and has tons of damage" lol

[@8thgstriker412]

the thing with assasins is that if they get the jump on you (assuming everyone is equally leveled and itemized) they should have a good chance to kill you.... if you get the jump on them and catch them out they almost always die league players want the game to be perfect and win every game would any game for that matter really be fun if you won every game and won every 1v1 now that im older and i work so much i cant play league like i used to i only play aram on the weekends now and i have a ton of fun! maybe im a minority but i think the state of the game is great.... at least in aram lmao

[@cingsing986]

It's true for example I was play morg the other day and all I did was qw someone to death they had 0 time to move a single pixel

[@josiahgibson9929]

Pre item rework you could make Zed's ult CD at 18 seconds. This has been a thing idk how people are just now finding out.

[@CapitanoDyingByTheSword]

6:13 I agree ban all champs except for Volibear so I don't get countered when playing Volibear

[@user-lh9jk6yj5i]

As a zed player with 60+ wr in high diamond/master I can say the problem is the build. Zed used to be assassin. It was unplayable when behind, but they made him scaling champ. With the first strike rune you are aiming to get your items( hydra, cleaver and serylda) and then u can carry any game. 60+ armor pen vs tanks, oneshot potential vs squishies, low cooldowns. Its not the way it should be

[@Tsuyu__MCLeVraiPRIVE]

Yeah when i play Sion , and Zed kills me in two or three rotation because Mr ArmorPen , i Wonder why i play Tank , i have 1.4mill and when i get Mid , i try to perma ban him

[@PandaKnightsFightingDragons]

I hope this somehow results in Zed being pick/ban at worlds. I doubt it, but I think it would be great

[@charles_teak]

He's not even picked or banned, so...

[@LightzyOG]

2023 and zed is op? Feels like season 3 all over again. But for real, Zed is usually very hard to play but having essentially urf level cooldowns it takes away a lot of the skill components of zed. Would it be as simple as nerfing his base cooldowns? or would you also have to tweak item ability haste as well?

[@ArcaneAzmadi]

Now I don't play assassins in general, and I DEFINITELY don't play Zed, but wouldn't his energy costs punish you for stacking ability haste? This is just me spitballing a wild idea, but what if they removed the negative energy cost scaling on his W, so it always has a flat cost of 40 energy instead of scaling down to 20? I think the current problem is that currently he can just max W to be able to spam it and gain WAY more energy than he needs way too quickly.

[@aimbeezle]

no, zed's w passive is that if he hits any target with two of the same ability he gets energy back but this can only proc once per ability. (hit 2 q's and u get refunded, if ur on top of somebody and they get hit by shadow e and your e you get refunded)

[@thefance4708]

W cd is so long and so crucial to his kit, haste is naturally going to be the bottleneck. Increasing the energy costs would certainly nerf his DPS, but assassins don't normally care about DPS anyway and it wouldn't fix what makes him problematic, which is the variance in the W CD which begets an enormous variance in agency.

[@Ezekiel_Burton]

I think zed (and other melee assassins) need some lethality scaling in their kit. Stacking AH needs to be less appealing. If zeds damage early-mid wasn't so pathetic and unreliable, people would max E second, which would cause him to regain less energy and have a higher base cd on W anyways. They nerfed zeds damage constantly over the years, made AH so easy to get. It's no wonder people figured out a way to make him playable (and his win rate is still not great with a high picrate, which is fine, i think zed should be at 49-50% win rate with his high picrate)@@thefance4708

[@ricomambozero3811]

same with Katarina and Akali assasins with no mana has no consequence because they have no mana to manage only cooldowns

[@tafpaps]

Imagine being 2 lvls down,behind in items,no armor at all and wonder why a fed zed one shot with 3q's e autto(passive) xD. Meanwhile quantum used to play diana with jacksho and other tank items deal the same amount of damage while he had the tankiness and survivability

[@SkinalX]

Ok if he is that broken, explain why he is never picked in pro and has one of the worst winrate at midlane ?

[@coasterthekid8867]

I would be fine with all of it if duskblade didn’t give you invulnerability. He can just delete you under tower and get away with no consequence every time.

[@zeevkeane6280]

You can’t “lean towards” making an assassin a spamable character/champion, it’s literally the opposite of the definition of an assassin.

[@winniebee7561]

hard agree. they literally say they wanna make assassins “less about one-shotting”, which is quite literally what an assassin should be. i genuinely dont understand what they are thinking.

[@einjharrelraca]

i mean. by definition riot assassins are a failure of design by your logic. "Assassin's are fast and stealthy warriors who prioritize eliminating vulnerable or weakened targets". meanwhile assassins in league just instant kill everyone from full hp regardless of anything else at this point. And i could deal with that, i really could. IF THEY NEEDED TO LAND THEIR ENTIRE KITS TO DO THIS, but they dont.

[@jet047]

​@@einjharrelracaim also ok if i got one shotted(rengar zed talon and etc) but once they do bruiser build and still one shot u, im not ok with that

[@jubalistic]

@@jet047 the only bruiser item zed builds is black cleaver, ravenous doesnt give tankiness

[@intertwinedfate1429]

200 YEARS

[@sonixka257]

the reason for his high ban rate in low elo is because of smurfs or OTP. In higher elo, its just a pick. There is a reason why we dont see it being pick in pro plays

[@orendamusic7577]

Phroxon is right, the talon zero skill oneshot meta was infinitely worse, they just need to nerf zed

[@stefanristic9245]

okay so if the champ is now an uninteractive mage give us all the early game power back so e and ult nerfs should be reverted then we will see how will player base feel after we start solo killing everybody

[@mr.mc.doesntexist7693]

Zed's problematic state started when they increased W's missile speed. I vividly remember it being such cancer that I started to learn Malphite to combat him. Then the S11 items just made him even more problematic and the rest is history.

[@GodKingIssei]

If you play Malphite mid to counter zed, you should be banned.

[@mr.mc.doesntexist7693]

@@GodKingIssei hey, they started it by playing Zed and I already ban Leblanc out of spite so I don't really have another ban for the chanp. If you couldn't tell, I hate champs that can swap places with something, not really dashes but the way these two champs do it makes me uncomfortable.

[@Ezekiel_Burton]

He used to have that W missile speed, they increased his damage and nerfed it. Then they heavily nerfed his damage again, so they had to compensate him for all the damage nerfs, hence increased w swap range, w missile speed etc. They nerfed his damage over and over, ofc he's gonna lean into AH spam build with hydra to farm easily. Give him (and all ad assassins) some lethality scaling in their kit, and make AH less appealing. Even khazix is buying bruiser items, and it won't change until they figure out how to soft cap AH thru lethality scaling within kits.

[@nurialdym]

"learning malphite" lmao what does it take? league of legends tutorial to learn that champ?

[@mr.mc.doesntexist7693]

@@nurialdym Laning with malph is really not that simple for the first few games because of his low mana pool and if you go D ring or Pot, you mess up a few trades and you're out, I also had to learn how to lane with a mana champion for once (usually play energy champs), remember that this was season 10 aka the season where I first started playing so it really was like a tutorial for me back then xD

[@dragonsofeden]

My Dawg Shaco still getting banned at high level. I love to see it.

[@noahschwarz318]

like srsly is there anyone in existence that liked the cdr to ability haste change? why dont they revert that and all those problems r gone

[@disfunctioncat]

Oh and to top it all of he has a negative wr in every single elo in every single region HOW BROAKEN IS THAT?

[@vorea]

Couldn't they just increase the energy cost of the abilities so that if you max ability haste your damaging abilities need to be managed more? That's how they've balanced mages for *checks clock* 13 years. Some mages spend 1/3rd of their entire mana pool with their combos, and assassins can spam for essentially free because they either have energy or no resource at all.

[@Shiro_Sora]

No.

[@duanedoldrum7570]

The problem is Riot is forcing this build into Zed. They don’t want to fix many problems with Lethality Zed being too weak. The AD-Kassadin Zed build is forced by the AH Meta and reworked Ravenous Hydra. Nerfing Zed cooldowns is just not going to do anything because it will just force more players to build AH more which is the main problem and that Lethality Zed is too weak in contrast.

[@karasutsuki1733]

was there even a time where he wasnt at least top 5 bans

[@churchofthetea4273]

its insane to me how someone in the balance doesnt want assassin to be an elitist class high risk high rewards should always be for people who know how to play and yet for some reason they feel the need to lower the skill ceiling of an entire group of champions whose sole balance was the fact that they usually have enough damage to kill 1 target 2 if they are fed but if they fail they should be punished like how in god's name do you feel the need to lower the risk but giving better rewards ?

[@Rncko]

Because the problem being "elitist class" is that lesser players can pick up the champion and plays it well. Competitive player loves this kind of design that truly express their skills but Developers don't like it because they can't sell skins if it is not reaching broader audience. (and that's how we get the assassin called K'sante)

[@Ezekiel_Burton]

But Zed never really suffered from that imo, he's always been popular and his skins always sell well. In this case, they just fucked up by nerfing his damage consistently because the majority people can't abuse his weak laning phase or don't know how to, and making AH so appealing that the best zeds figured out how to become a spammable god that whittles people down and is way more consistent than assassin zed - JUST for him to be playable.@@Rncko

[@cosXrobgaming]

how about making more jg tank champions or any more tank items to make people play more tanks in the jg role or better, make more jg tank champions since the last one you added is zac

[@GodKingIssei]

Oh yes, braindead tanks who can go 0/6, build 2 items like Jaksho, face tank entire combos and then kill you with cc.

[@Crnibajo]

I play on EUNE servers and I only see Zed played in normals.

[@Drae_mon]

I'm just gonna say, while haste is definitely getting out of hand, building different items isn't supposed to be an issue. If building gore drinker or bruiser items on an assassin or building mage kaisa works then idk what's the problem there.

[@davguev]

Zed gets a lot of haste and healing (Hydra) from his damage items, resulting in spammable abilities that grand mobility and hit like a truck. Oh, and Duskblade, of course.

[@Drae_mon]

@@davguev Duskblade is an assassin item. As I said, I understand haste is a problem rn, but if it gets fixed I don't understand why building off assassin items would be a problem too. If it works why not?

[@zokora3656]

Dunno what's the issue with zed. Yeah the haste build can be annoying. I just pick xerath tho, easy poke and you just hold e until he ults you and install stun him making his r pretty much useless if you have 2 hands and can dodge.

[@jiroweiler5883]

I believe that tanks are part of the problems ruining LoL, for example K'Sante, he can build FULL TANK and do crazy amounts of damage while being almost unkillable and to make it funnier have the most damage dealt at the end of the game.

[@neo_child]

I'm happy if Assassins shift away from the "perfect combo" theme to be viable. Giving options to players on whether they go for the "high damage but high risk w/ long cooldowns" build or the "spammy but low dmg build" would help some players. But with how Zed is, the spammy build is more consistent and does more dmg. If only going full ability haste just meant safer laning and, yeah, just turns him into an AD mage, then that's build diversity. You go safety over dmg and you won't be hurting people who aren't the ADC. But the fact he can do high dmg and be safe is an issue.

[@notlisztening9821]

zed is just not an assasin. an assasin has to risk something when he wants to deal damage. Zed can just place his shadow - e - q and you are half life for no reason, with him taking no risk whatsoever. It's just a cancer laning phase. Falling behind also seemingly no longer matters, as I just went 4/0 against a zed as kat, with him getting one item and suddenly wiping everyone on the map.

[@user-anas-bodla]

Pleas make a story video on jhin Rakan swain

[@nonbinaryqtip390]

its an easy fix really give him a mana bar instead of a energy bar but in all seriousness im in silver/gold elo and i rarely see a zed and usually when u do its a cracked out otp but sometimes its a proper noob who just wanted to try him out and has no idea what their doing zed is one of those champs that u needa put some time into but as soon as u get it the results r massive kinda like ksante in a way hes terrible if u have no idea how to play him but once u figure him out hes easily one of the best champs in the game and can only be dealt with by tank killers like darius fiora or camille but apart from darius fiora and camille take brain power to operate in any case i feel like the reward of smashin ur opponents after u figure out a champs playstyle shouldnt be messed with now i get its a completely different story for higher elo and pro play but as a member of the low elo community zed really isnt that big of an issue if anything u just play panth into him and as long as u play ur cards right u either go even or smash him in lane or u could play a tank or bruiser like morde and just out sustain him theres def ways to beat him u just have to play ur cards right which idk if yall have noticed but thats literally the name of the game all together u can pick morde into an illaoi whichg is her hard counter pick but if u play poorly u can still lose pretty hard i also feel like the issue is people only like to play meta champs and builds which makes sense but ur gunna need to expand ur champ pool if u wanna have a better time playing the game theres nothing wrong with playin ur main or meta champ into anyone cuz than u get practice with them so u will be able to deal with any match up but in some cases like zed u need to pick ur champ wisely cuz pickin a squishy champ like ahri or ziggs into a zed is just askin to get slammed in lane

[@EtomidateEnjoyer]

Dude is three years late to the assassin ability haste meta. Zeds been a menace in d2+ ranked for years lol

[@ratthew2843]

Because in power creep of legends they made everything easier to play by cranking up the stats. Zed use to take skill just like Irelia and now both are skilless champs for monkeys. The point of assassin isnt to one shot, its to take on priority targets. Zed can one shot anything not a tank with w,Q,E. The fact he builds anti tank, that combo can chunk way too much health off a tank. Zed R cooldown base line is already low, and back when league wasnt power creep, he used to have to actually use his r to kill stuff. Power creep has made assassins the class for monkeys in league. It’s not about priority target or going in at the right moment, it’s about being so power crept you can one shot everyone.

[@Alientcp]

Ability haste is not the issue. The issue is just absurds amounts of damage for the entire class. As a weak early mage, which most are, you can only bully assassins lv 1 and 2. By level 3, they can kill you with 2 rotations, so you can only mess up once. After that, you really cant interact with him anymore and you are force to farm innefectively at a distance, using the little mana reserves you have. And after lvl 6, once 1 item is completed, you cannot interact at all, he straights 1 shots you already, so you cant mess up even once. You cant even AA minions, as he is zoning and 1 dash away from 1 shotting you. And it doesnt matter if you have a 2-3 level lead as a mage, he straight 1 shots you, and you cant do that until you have like 3 items, unless he gets like 10 MR, you need a complete MP item to make half his health with a full combo. Ability haste only made that zoning more pronounced, as he can spam the shadow at will, but the issue is the absurd damage.

[@vrmax1919]

So as a mainly mage player but also play ad assasins you can mega bully assasins pre 6 as if you play somewhat decent they can never touch you after 6 build half an amore item and they will never 1 shot you EVER if you ever get a lvl lead on an assasins you won the game lil bro do we play the same game 😂😂

[@Alientcp]

@@vrmax1919 Nope. Mages can poke a bit in the early, but most mages dont have the mana to keep with the farming until 1100 to get lost chapter. You have to decide to poke or to farm until that mark. You say, well, you can AA farm. And thats the problem with zed. His weq chunks and you can only get caught in that once, maybe twice before he all ins. So you have to farm mostly with abilities, which will make you not being able to kill him early. He wins the war of attrition due to unlimited energy and you have to leave first, meaning he crashes the wave, you lose some xp , and you lose the lvl 6 race. Its not like he is impossible to lane against, but he has the upperhand against most mages. You cant 1 shot him cause the early MR he gets, but he can 1 shot you at any stage post 6. And what I say is true, once lvl 6 is reached, you cant really interact with him. He immediately all ins. The same is true with naafari, and akali if she lands the e.

[@vrmax1919]

@@Alientcp in my opnion as a ex zed main that now mostly play Asol veigar and neeko you can space easily vs zed To the point that you should not get hit by his combo and if you do stand in minions so his Q does no danehe he does not win the war of attrition if you run TP and dont spam your abilities zed would either gave to run tp as well and remove kill presur or run ignite and you being able to tp back to lane while he has to back or stay at like 50%HP its so easy to play mage vs any assasin thats not Qyiana

[@Alientcp]

@@vrmax1919 Asol and Neeko are 2 different cases. Asol is a control mage with a huge slow and his q damage is constant and you can redirect it, with added damage once it stacks. Neeko is one of the few mages that have extremely high base damage early on due to the double q explosion, she is also kind of a combat mage, as she is able to get close at lvl 6 and cast a big shield. "you can space easily vs zed To the point that you should not get hit by his combo and if you do stand in minions so his Q does no damage" If you are in the minion wave, you are exactly where he wants you. That is free poke and wave clear. TP with immobile mages is generally not a good idea, the only way to get away from a sticky situation is with barrier or ghost.

[@vrmax1919]

@@Alientcp WHAT okay what server and elo are you really since you run flash barrier in a scaling meta like this a assume you would have a hard time spacing vs a zed or you dont know his kill range/ability range/cds ?

[@duranburnett]

I actually agree with Riot here, I highly prefer haste to damage. Just go and nerf champs that can exploit it. Zed might be the problem, then nerf him. Haste has been way healthier than the stupid one-shotting and then getting resets(Kata and Kha).

[@CountZakula]

Asassins shouldn't scale outright, they should scale harder with bonus damage from % missing hp. just fought zed he still has way too fast of missle speed and way too much scaling and insane wave clear with tiamat

[@novahina]

Zed was only strong when the Lethality itens were launched. He s been nerfed in S5 and never was buffed properly ever again only once but It was like 5 ad base dmg. 1:50 or something