Zed the VSCode Killer - Time to Switch?

[@SavvyNik]

What Code Editor are you currently using?

[@someoneelse8103]

neovim, and I don't think this will make me switch. Vim mode in Zed is great, but neovim is more than just vim motions, the whole plugin ecosystem is what makes it good. This thing needs way more time to fully develop. It's lacking something like debug adapters

[@MesoCarib]

Neovim. My backup is VSCodium.

[@bbrodriges]

helix

[@QuebnQ]

Neovim

[@ZongMua]

Neovim ❤️

[@Batwam0]

I hate it when my editor drops frame, really need 120fps to work efficiently as this is how fast I type 😅

[@SavvyNik]

Haha

[@elksalmon84]

I tried it in VirtualBox. Without 3D acceleration it's just a slideshow. Code and Lazarus working fluid. Qt Creator is fine as well. But Zed - it's just unusable. Also constant 20% CPU usage. Code Completion loads CPU at constant 80%. And it's also constantly writing on disk. Started at rate of 80 KB/s, then went up to 100 KB/s. 350 MB in 10 minutes, just staying still in the background. Better not to use it with SSD.

[@peterkilian9100]

@@elksalmon84 dude do you code on a microwave

[@roccociccone597]

@@elksalmon84 exactly why Neovim is the one and only good one

[@tabdig]

@@elksalmon84 lol what specs does your pc have? On my computers (mac and linux) its running with no issues. Uses < 350mb ram. vscode > 1gb

[@mad_t]

Switching from VSCode is a problem of extensions. I don't think extensions developers will port them to Zed.

[@mohitkumar-jv2bx]

I use neovim btw 😎

[@T1Oracle]

Helix Editor is better. It's written in Rust and has a much simpler interface.

[@thedevlebowski]

@@T1OracleHelix isn’t there yet. It is NOT better. Maybe out of the box it is but the configuration neovim has is unmatched. Once Helix figures out debugger and plugins the will take the cake.

[@peterkilian9100]

I use emacs, I’m better than u btw

[@peterkilian9100]

@@T1Oracle helix is better? 😂 than neovim? no it’s not

[@AlucardNoir]

Neovim? That's like saying you use a Manjaro derived linux distro. Could be worse, you could have said you use the Ubuntu or PoPOS equivalent of emacs.

[@chevychavanne4433]

A text editor written in a safe language telling you to pipe something from the internet straight into your shell. That seems a bit like an oxymoron

[@InturnetHaetMachine]

Like another user pointed for Linux, installed it using bash script, didn't launch. Unable to uninstall now with apt purge. Anyways, will stick with Pulsar for editing, which is essentially carrying over the torch from atom editor anyway and has been working great till now.

[@SavvyNik]

Yeah been seeing this pop up a few times. Sounds like a fix for failure of installation needs to be put in place. Whether or not that’s just running another scrips

[@twelvetican]

It requires Vulkan 1.3 support from your GPU tho.

[@hentype]

As a former Atom user, this is nice. I have to try it.

[@QuebnQ]

Last time i heard from zed it was only available in Mac. didn't know it now also supports Linux and Windows. That's nice!

[@zombizombi]

It doesn't support WIndows. It's been 'Windows soon' for months, maybe even a year now.

[@johncrunk8038]

I currently use vscode remote. Lack of remote is a killer for me right now, but I'll keep checking and see if the future will fix it.

[@Rundik]

I tried that editor on linux. It has to be installed with their bash script. It can't launch due to some error and it has no uninstall script. I hate it

[@quantusr5429]

It's in arch's extra repo.

[@Rundik]

@@quantusr5429 I have debian

[@hinzster]

@@quantusr5429 well, I installed it from there, but I don't know if it is incompatible with i3, or X11 or something else on my system, but all I get is a window where it draws absolutely nothing. At least VS Code works. And the forced (and locked) AI in cursor is just sooo bad, I am really looking forward to how zed integrates different AIs. But right now the biggest problems are that it just doesn't run, and (based on this video) the missing/broken remote editing because I do that all the time. So I guess I'll give zed a couple more months before I give it another try, right now it's just dead code to me.

[@InturnetHaetMachine]

Yep, same.

[@omairtech6711]

That is why you're supposed to make a restore/backup point using timeshift or similar software before you install ANYTHING. In your case if you had a backup point setup all you had to do was click on the restore button and revert back to a restore point that you had setup.

[@KyleHarrington]

just switched to Zed, i like the multi-buffer thing. i'd have been less hesitant to switch if it had debugging support (breakpoints) for Go, but for now i guess i'll rely on print debugging :P

[@C4CH3S]

Debugging is coming. They have an active chat for code related to their debugger system in the discord, and a working debugger was almost merged some weeks ago iirc.

[@fdefontis]

That's great to know, would be great if it's possible to debug Golang. For me this is currently a deal breaker.

[@yuridelossantos569]

just use Emacs and vim. Use the former for programming or note taking and the latter for settings and configuration. These two are battle-tested, stable, and reliable. Master them and you will be find. New things like vscode and zed are things that are hot at first and eventually turn cold, then another will rise again, turns hot, then cold. Just use Emacs!

[@almarn]

I am using emacs and in fact the only feature missing in ALL other editor is the capability of undoing on a selected region. VScode is miles ahead for plugin management. I stopped counting the number of plugin managers for emacs. With VSCode no need to learn anything..select your plugin and presto everything is here. I am doing some Clojure and I did ditch emacs for this one. VScode plugin was far better, REPL, everything was working right away. Emacs keyboarding is terrible and I did not install evil because it is a global mode. I finally proceed to install meow. Vim..I know it but finally I installed Micro...do not want to install thousands of llnes of lua code to use neovim. Do not have time to learn lua... VScode is here to stay and Microsoft did a good job....plugins quality is very high....and Sublime Text is the best for editing.

[@yuridelossantos569]

@@almarn what you are saying are all true if you have seen the entire picture. But based on your statements, you have only seen less than 20%.

[@yuridelossantos569]

@@almarn you only seen the small picture that's why you said that.

[@almarn]

@@yuridelossantos569 I do not want trying to convert fanatics...KZbin has cancelled my contribution. using emacs for 20 years..

[@newplayer7743]

cat, echo and sed

[@frecio231]

A needle and a steady hand

[@arduous222]

Butterfly!

[@mupmuptv]

Vscode + vim extension is good enough for me

[@adel.dev.account]

Zed editor has a default Vim mode

[@matiassalve6311]

The remote feature does work now. happy editing!

[@T1Oracle]

Zed is cool, but I'm all in on Helix Editor now.

[@mrpocock]

So cursor is the best development environment I've used recently. It has a ton of things I'd like to see fixed, but it is vs code with actually working ai assistance. As I understand it, a lot of the smarts that make cursor work well are done remotely using handcrafted language models. So I'm not sure how well anything can do what cursor does without reimplementing a lot of that smarts.

[@ScottLahteine]

I keep going back to Sublime Text for my daily work. Zed has weird block-select and then it makes the text dance around too much while editing. Meanwhile, VSCode is unwieldy and also has some behavioral quirks in the area of text editing. The only drawbacks with Sublime Text are that saving many files after a global replace is kind of slow, and the time-limited software license means we have to try all the editor alternatives every few years to see if it’s time to move on. I like many things about Zed, but I don’t like editors that try too much to be “helpful.” I want my text to stay where I put it until I say otherwise.

[@syntheticperson]

Very helpful. Thanks!

[@AlucardNoir]

120fps you say? that that mean that when I press a key it will not take as long for the character to appear on screen as it would in vscode? Because, you know, I don't really care what frame rate the UI is rendered on as much as I care how fast my keystrokes are registered.

[@dr.slowdeath1852]

Remote seems to be working fine now :)

[@SavvyNik]

That’s great news

[@deafmute2501]

There’s a few things i need more from zed. 1) real sql support, and the ability to save sql files without appending the .s at the end of the file name. 2) The ability to close zig then to reopen with the same state as it was before it closed, which means same tabs opened. 3) There needs to be a way to hide all the buttons, like the login, chat, and github icons.

[@SharunKumar]

It's not available for Windows, yet. At least not directly. And the last time I compiled zed on Windows it seemed to have some graphics issues

[@Cavi587]

Honestly I've been mostly using neovim the past few years. I've used VSC on a few occasions, and it wasn't very smooth. Just tried zed because I was curious. It's REALLY smooth. I am still a C over Rust kind of guy, but if Rust can help us get away from horrible JS/electron based apps, I am happy with that.

[@totomomo18]

If there is no easy windows version then it can not kill anything

[@monkeywrench1951]

I wonder if chatGPT will allow a Canvas frame integration. I would love to use OpenAI to edit my code, but run/test it locally instead of in the chatGPT interpreter.

[@velho6298]

Lovely that it doesn't make use of the bloated electron

[@ArturdeSousaRocha]

That was the whole point of the project. The 120 FPS is just a flex IMO.

[@scottfrost317]

I don’t know why you say Various Artists code is slow, it’s lightning fast for me on mac

[@Harald723]

We have the same distro very nice!

[@nd_otd]

Currently using it for a side project, so far so good. But I still can't bring myself to uninstall vscode yet, just in case I might need it.

[@avalagum7957]

I tried Zed before but I don't know how to use it as a text editor (i.e. open 1 single file to edit). 0:43 doesn't have an item to open a single file.

[@VortexFlickens]

what font r u using?

[@niamotullah99]

This is extremely important to neovim users that they don't use vscode. Because vscode works as a data mining machine where improvement goes to visual studio and other paid products.

[@abdullahzafar4401]

I have been using this on linux since I knew It was available and I am living it One major problem is the font, It's not easy to read

[@cckeysify]

vscode works fine dude

[@krishnasonune3185]

Zed is faster for now, because as the extension support grows by and we started using more of the extensionsn, it'll no different story than vscode

[@ArturdeSousaRocha]

Yes, for example the biggest slow-down for VS Code in Go development on Windows is slow file access, not the IDE.

[@tabdig]

Nahh bro i have 20 ext installed, still uses < 350mb ram and a typescript project.

[@CodeEleven_86]

Nope, I rarely get my hopes up for these kind of VS code killer as Unity currently only support VS code and rider. Don't get me wrong, this is a cool thing. But if there's no official support from Unity, then I don't think I'll switch yet for work reasons.

[@sukaisnaini1843]

iam still using vscode because debugger ui.

[@SavvyNik]

Yeah when I can get it running right it’s a good feature. ZED needs a better debug interface asap

[@long-live-linux]

I'll switch to Zed when debugger & git integration have landed

[@vuhoang5903]

How do I debug with Zed

[@JamesColeman]

In looking at code editors, I've ended up on Kate. The only problem I have with Kate is, it doesn't work that well on MacOS.

[@sadakatu.tanzil]

auto-complete stops working randomly, and doesn't work for html at all. Even with extension. (Downloaded from cachy os repo)

[@SavvyNik]

Thanks for sharing

[@Valk-Kilmer]

Does it have a compiler? We have a billion other text editors. How do you know your code actually works if you can't build and compile it?

[@QuebnQ]

it's only a code/text editor so builds and compilers isn't supposed to be included out of the box. those features can be accomplished by either the command line or extensions.

[@Valk-Kilmer]

@@QuebnQ I'm new to coding but find that rather silly. A glorified notepad if you can't compile. Why input code when you need another application to run it?

[@mohitkumar-jv2bx]

Bro what are you saying? Why the fuck a text editor or ide will have a compiler?

[@l0gic23]

4:31 or short attention span 5:12

[@QuebnQ]

@@Valk-Kilmer yeah code editors are basically just a glorified notepad. what you are asking for is an Integrated Development Environment or IDE like Visual Studio or Jetbrains IDE where stuff like build systems and compiler are also included alongside the text editor. a developer can build anything as long as he has a text editor and a terminal. what apps like vscode and zed to name a few brings to table is to have syntax highlighting, LSP, an integrated terminal, and the ability to turn it into a IDE through the means of extensions.

[@kahnfatman]

So long the development team doesn't go with the speed of science, I'm fine with it.

[@Blackrobe]

Well it is not really available for Windows yet, at least publicly. You have to build it from source.

[@donwinston]

Where are the Java extensions?

[@Damglador]

I wonder if it's possible to force Zed use KDE file picker

[@thefearlessgeek]

I've got it installed in my Arch distrobox. It's not available on Void Linux. There's a flatpak but I couldn't get it to work. The thing is I just have a preference for using Lunarvim or Helix.

[@govind9060]

It's pretty good not as good as vs code but still good enough for me so I'm hopping on this ship

[@adam91303]

How did you open the default settings? It's not visible in the video

[@SavvyNik]

It is and use the command palette window just type default and it should pop up as one of the options

[@adam91303]

@@SavvyNik Thanks :) but I can type "false" maybe is the flatpak version problem?

[@SavvyNik]

Don’t edit the default settings edit the users settings json file to overwrite the defaults . Those are not supposed to be edited

[@Diamonddrake]

I don’t want to need to know the fps of my text editor. The fact that it’s even mentioned is a concern. Btw vscode renders at the lowest frame rate of all monitors on the pc, rendering faster the vsync is just wasted power, vscode runs at 144fps on my machine. Nice try though.

[@Diamonddrake]

Note that vscode is an electron app, def leaves a lot of performance on the floor. I welcome competition, this just isn’t some miracle and you’re bashing vscode pretty hard.

[@kamertonaudiophileplayer847]

I use Rust , so Zed can be a good for me. Where can I load it? Should I compile it from sources?

[@oraz.]

I think people have a really mistaken idea of what it means that something was compiled with Rust.

[@yelsinsadiq8877]

Zed not working on Nobara OS

[@Alt.N]

Everyone knows True programmer uses echo with '>' operator

[@rrrrr5042]

true programmer writes his own emacs and codes in it

[@dougphillips5686]

What happened to Emacs

[@paolomarini_eu]

the Stack Overflow survey says that the majority of professional developers are using macOS and Linux while Windows is below 50%

[@michaelplaczek9385]

I like my Neovim, but this seems like a good one

[@TheOneHong]

wait, I don't think zed worked for windows yet, even building from source

[@unclesam287]

basically, every new text editor will work fast due to lack of functionality 😂

[@teknologist7914]

11:00 a custom Devin extension ?! 😂

[@cbbcbb6803]

Will it edit Cobol?

[@elksalmon84]

No Cobol, no Algol and even no modern Object Pascal (Delphi/FPC).

[@heroslippy6666]

@@elksalmon84 Welp that makes it useless. Cobol and Pascal are basically requirements

[@TheLonelyMoon]

Neovim and Lazyvim users where yall at

[@Damglador]

I use nano for quick and easy editing from terminal, Codium was my editor for everything else, text, csv, code (except for C#, I use Visual Studio in VM for it). But considering how incredibly *fast* zed is, I might often use it instead of nano and a lot of times instead of Codium, but not always, because Codium and VSCode has a lot more plugins than zed does

[@damar1967]

im sad it doesnt even has proper html editor

[@princeofcaladan]

Zed collects anonymous telemetry data to help us understand how people are using the app. Yikes

[@heroslippy6666]

Ehh, Vim is good enough for me

[@sirflimflam]

What's the use case for 120fps rendering?

[@casadogaspar]

Olympic Typing Level

[@alimahdavi9775]

available for windows ! what ?

[@AEGIS-RED-MEGA-VIEWS]

i never used vs code for the simple reason it didnt support 32 bit

[@codedusting]

Correction: Not available for Windows. No different from Sublime in terms of extension or out of the box experience.

[@nozzle4930]

It is, you just have to build it from source yourself. Its all on the repo.

[@codedusting]

@@nozzle4930 rust fails eventually

[@luckyluc9972]

Love zed so much. My school laptop runs it no problem and it's got 4gb of ram. Can it run VScode? Probably. But it would lag

[@SavvyNik]

Thanks for sharing the exp

[@abdullahzafar4401]

Zed AI now also works with qwen2.5 coder model, It's not perfect but at the speed it's improving I think it's really good to use with local models too

[@captmulch1]

Just installed it - nice to have!

[@rursus8354]

I hope that they work themselves out of Electron. Web applications as a desktop application is a technical atrocity and the culprit is Javascript and the browser habit of implementing garbage collectors the worst possible way. UPDATE: citing wikipedia: _"A former developer on Atom, Nathan Sobo, announced that he was building the "spiritual successor" to Atom, titled Zed.[26][27][28] Unlike Atom, Zed would be written in Rust and not use the Electron framework.[29]"_ - God bless Zed!

[@mmstick]

Zed is written with Floem, a Rust-based GUI library. It also uses cosmic-text for rendering text in the GUI.

[@aijokker]

I use windows text editor btw 😎😎

[@caribbeanman3379]

Zedders are saying Microsoft VSCode = Microsoft vs Code! 🤣

[@fossface]

It'd be nice if I could integrate wildfly/jboss with it. Eclipse is unreliable on Linux, so I stick with codium.

[@Krazy0]

VSCode and the other IDEs are really just Iphone. Iphone makes a feature already made into many Android devices and people make it like they made a life-changing invention. Btw Android is vim.

[@MaxCupertino-gf5ht]

Yeah nick I am using it and man i am just loving it. It's simple fast take less ram . And more than that it's written with my favourite programming language Rust.

[@SavvyNik]

Glad to hear it

[@gesnow]

Vim or vs code for me

[@eddieoconnor4466]

Is there a setting for making the font "bold"?..I can't use it if not...

[@_Enenra]

yes, you can change the font weight

[@729usbow]

too unpolished to replace vscode, many features missing(lack of features)

[@cutemartinj]

Try using it on windows...

[@thesaneone1666]

It uses the AGPL license. Project is dead for anything enterprise.

[@RustedCroaker]

zed doesn't work without vulkan at all. so it's no go for me

[@danko95bgd]

they should learn how to publish a package and not have that shitty install shell script that you pipe to bash

[@theseal6681]

I don't see a problem with the shell script, it installed Zed just fine, besides there is a flatpak available to download, however it's unofficial.

[@SashikaSandeepa]

Shell script installed it but i can't uninstall it regular way on fedora btw

[@fluxcaruso345]

Sadly, no support for windows.

[@PragmaticIT]

Ahahaha killer without killing btw 😂

[@neunmalelf]

:) What are you guys smoking? This editor is so buggy and slow that even VS Code is better.

[@NLPprompter]

ctrl shift p, for everything... what i can complain anymore? it has it all bye Microsoft

[@jackelofnar]

I love zed but it has serious bugs compared to vscode on Linux.

[@HpDopeman]

Nah I'd pass, it doesn't support jupyter notebooks yet. Ironically, you cannot do AI in an AI code editor xD

[@gg-gn3re]

Not even close "time to switch" zed still brings nothing beneficial to the table. They need a plugin / addon that enables you to load vscode extensions then MAYBE they will have a chance.

[@roccociccone597]

Nah Neovim still remains king

[@PulpFreePress]

Sorry, VS Code Rules!

[@tommy2cents492]

I feel sorry for you...

[@zombizombi]

Shill more. They don't even have a Windows version. Who in their right mind developer for Mac/Linux before Windows? The truth is nobody is switching from VSCode to Zed, it's just some weird FOMO marketing technique.

[@robbyoconnor]

I can't even run it lol

[@elksalmon84]

I don't see it as VS Code killer. Not even close in functionality. Needless to say about supported languages. Even less closer, even taking extensions into account.

[@Aplysia]

Zed should've been written in Zig

[@MarcoAntoniotti]

M-x zed