Can You Beat Persona 4 Golden With A Nuzlocke Ruleset?

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[@Hybrid_W]

Sooo P3 Reload nuzlocke next?

[@irishrunner27]

beating shadow yosuke is basically like the time before you have pokeballs(facing your rival's starter /getting to first town/etc) which is before the nuzlocke truly begins

[@Crawm111]

Great video! If you plan on doing this again though, fusion is definitely fine, but compendium access basically lets you get any persona in the game, so that probably shouldn’t be allowed, since there’s basically no persona restriction at that point.

[@RagnarAlvarrGaming]

This is honestly a great compromise I never even thought of that for whatever reason. Will probably be the way going forward!

[@hyukthesleepy9578]

The start of the run would be hell cause he wouldn't have anything to fuse. Instead he can limit the number of fusion. He compared fusion to evolution in pokemon so why not limit the number of fusion to one or two time per dungeon? (like the number of time a pokemon can evolve)

[@hyukthesleepy9578]

Now that I think more about it two seem overkill. Either having one fuse per dungeon or two but you have to fuse the persona you got from shuffling during the dungeon for the two to kinda limit the abuse of fusion but having some possibility to strategies a little.

[@furiouscorgi6614]

@@hyukthesleepy9578 the Persona 5 run didn't have fusion at all, so...

[@fenixchief7]

It quite literally only allows Personas you have obtained. You have to fill out the compendium to access them. Have you even played this game before?

[@CvBurgundy]

51:13 ah yes. The 'give the Nuzlocke runner a goddamn heart attack' technique. Final turn well-spent.

[@lemonlime8949]

I’ve been binge watching Persona 4 runs, good timing lmao. Idk what it is about that game but that’s always the most fun to watch challenge runs of

[@fenixchief7]

Its the best one?

[@darkdrakexx]

I would argue using the compendium goes against the whole 1 persona per dungeon. I agree on fusions, but resummoning them feels off. It is your rules and run tho so whatever makes it fun for you first.

[@nickcostanza8730]

Right - it would be like Pokemon nuzlockes allowing you to make infinite eggs at the daycare

[@CrimsonSpikeFlash]

i agree! fusion without resummon would be the play imo

[@rubychen2635]

But in pokemon you get to use any pokemon that you captured even if they were sent to the box

[@invertebrado]

@@rubychen2635 yeah, but if you sacrifice your pokemon, you can't just revive them, and I would argue that summoning from the compendium is essentially reviving them

[@fenixchief7]

​​@@nickcostanza8730difference being you get litetally dozens of mons in a pokemon nuzlocke and would be limited to like 10 in P4G. Not to mention the slink aspect of the game which basically requires a wide variety of arcana. Ignoring slinks and the compendium is basically pissing on 2/3rds of the gameplay which is what seperates Persona from other jrpgs

[@Sieghiro]

The most important bit I found against the compendium was when you said "this is the persona I got but at this point it doesn't matter anymore", so I feel restrictions would make for a more challenging locke.

[@fenixchief7]

So... "I caught the box legendary, gg's?" Have any of yall even played a pokemon game? Persona starts out harder than literally any Pokemon game. Which base game Pokemon nuzlocke hinged on a victory road encounter?

[@Bigoldcrab]

My man never misses, fr i love your stuff keep up the good work, cant wait to see P3R content. ❤

[@DoubleJ466]

Same

[@pocketinfinity6733]

33:30 the image of the gang just bum rushing a baby to beat the feck out of it is hilarious

[@Voidsealer]

just finished reload which kept most of my attention for the last couple of days! can't wait to watch this, will edit when I finish it up.

[@lolidontknowagoodname9572]

did u finish it up?

[@simplifiedphoenix4508]

waiting

[@fenixchief7]

Bro blueballing us on the edit

[@legarscringe2853]

*'But nobody came...'*

[@PersonaEnjoyer]

Oh bro! Like three days ago for some reason I was trying to find P4 challenge run I didn't see yet, but found nothing. And there it is! Nice work

[@SportsGaming-ll3ru]

Can’t wait till you start the persona 3 reload challenges :P

[@SophiaVelka]

I'd argue lowering the difficulty for one fight is worse than using items in one battle.

[@angeldog2443]

Agree Consider you will not using item for the rest of the game after that Lost 1 or 2 item for starting fight id not too bad

[@thejuic3b0i64]

I would argue it’s kinda arbitrary. Since this is a nuzlocke we are talking about, a lot of the times in Pokémon games the run usually doesn’t start until you get pokeballs, even if you lose the starter fight. You can probably make the same exception here cause otherwise there wouldn’t be a video to begin with and that’s kinda lame. Plus difficulty in Pokémon is usually a non factor- the one game where there is a technical “Hard Mode” isn’t even a hard mode cause the trainers Pokémon have the same stats as the original pokemon and just have a higher level. Idk I think it’s easier to justify lowering the difficulty versus using the items, at least in my opinion

[@pokestar9994]

True, but whether he lowers difficulty or used items he would have won so it’s fine.

[@StanleyG23]

It honestly does not matter at all.

[@sculamica4159]

You must be so fun bro

[@GigaOtomia]

Gonna agree with (what I assume is) most other commenters here. Unfettered access to the compendium defeats the entire purpose of the first half of the nuzlocke ruleset, i.e. only having *one* capture per dungeon/floor/route/what have you. It ends up being just "Can I beat the game with permadeath?" So the compendium needs to be restricted somehow. Fusion itself is fine, though. If you don't want to completely ban the compendium, I'd say limit it to one resummon per dungeon.

[@masterblaster38]

I mean, he has to fight more in order to gain money which also puts him at risk of death and then also he can only fight so much because of the level cap so money isnt unlimited. So he can't just carelessly spam fusions and buy back. But yeah I think that should be somewhat limited.

[@Leaqua21]

​@@masterblaster38 but also the pokemon daycare needs money too and you can do infinite eggs on there if you do that but do you see pokemon nuzlockes doing that?

[@masterblaster38]

​​@@Leaqua21But how do you do infinite eggs? You cannot have repeated pokemons to do eggs in nuzlocks, and you would need a good amount of luck to get two of different sex.

[@Lunaphire]

@@masterblaster38 Not sure if I'm understanding you right, but egg groups. It's not divided per Pokémon, they don't need to repeat.

[@masterblaster38]

@@Lunaphire oh yeah. I am not into that so I never knew about It. I Guess that then what rule It would break It would be the repeted Pokemon rule yeah.

[@bdhuffman42]

Awesome job! I would love to see this in SMT3.

[@AriOfTheStars]

that sounds absolutely hellish. I’d love to see it too

[@fenixchief7]

​@@AriOfTheStars for sure, but considering Ive seen demi solo and no demi runs (which means no recruitment) its probably more reasonable than either of those.

[@benjaminaltube8731]

Always choose yukiko, that donkey laugh is worth it

[@TheatreKiller]

Super hype to watch this. Amazing work as always

[@lordvaust5830]

Not allowing items in battle/ Level caps are usually in a “Hardcore” rule set. A normal Nuzlocke is just making it so you can only obtain 1 monster per route, and perma-death. Anything else is added challenge as a preference. So this video is more of a “Can you beat P4G with a Hardcore Nuzlocke rule set?”

[@shadedergu9921]

So What I will mention Is that there is a massive benefit to Very Hard in P4G The lowered XP Gain when combined with Shuffle Time Stat Boosts allows you to eventually skyrocket Izunagi's stats while still maintaining the level threshold. Endurance 99 in the Yukiko Dungeon is something I genuinely believe may be possible before Nuzlocke level cap on Very Hard unless I am misremembering (I also have not watched the video yet)

[@shadedergu9921]

Combining this with Skill Cards could genuinely allow you to make genuinely busted Personas without needing to fuse or use the compendium

[@docphil9602]

Duplicate persona that you've already fused would be species clause

[@furiouscorgi6614]

Actually, for NG+, if you can beat the game witbout going over Level 15, you deserve to be able to use it

[@fenixchief7]

Can you even stay under level 15 with mandatory fights?

[@furiouscorgi6614]

@@fenixchief7 no. That's the poijt

[@masterblaster38]

51:01 fun fact: He is stuck because seemenly his AI is actually broken! Due to some oversights in Adachi's AI involving randomly-generated numbers, Adachi's AI is unable to activate certain moves in their Arsenal, such as Stagnant Air, Bufudyne, Agidyne, Mabufudyne, and Maragidyne. Not only that, but these oversights also make them less likely to use certain moves such as Evil Smile and Atom Smasher.

[@LupzWild]

If you do a P3 Nuzlocke, can we just call it the MEMENTO MORI Challenge?

[@Wolfaydragoon]

Unus annus, unus annus, unus annus

[@ryan6984]

i feel like using the compendium kinda invalidates this challenge tbh, like you're basically just playing a normal run without items & with a level cap since you can basically fuse every single persona in the game anyways

[@krivixtc]

cry?

[@nickcostanza8730]

​@@krivixtc Wut

[@masterblaster38]

I mean, here he gets the cut because he has to fight more in order to gain money which also puts him at risk of death and then also he can only fight so much because of the level cap so money isnt unlimited. So he can't just carelessly spam fusions and buy back.

[@nickcostanza8730]

@@masterblaster38 those are fair points but this still doesn't feel in the spirit of a nuzlocke, plus it doesn't seem like it'll be especially hard

[@masterblaster38]

​​@@nickcostanza8730 I have to say that persona 4 and 5 in general aren't hard, but persona 4 is DEFINETIVELY harder than 5. Apart the main problem here is the SP due to the no items rule AND the Level cap rule which limits your persona options and makes you be lower level than if you played normally.

[@DoubleJ466]

It’s finally here lets goooooooo

[@sacrophagus8685]

Best girl Yukiko. Other choices are against humanity

[@CertifiedAdachiLover]

Chie>

[@PaladineAvenger1]

@@CertifiedAdachiLover Yukiko > Chie. Like in dungeons, like in game

[@CertifiedAdachiLover]

@@PaladineAvenger1 in terms of gameplay I agree Yukiko is busted. She’s just boring tho

[@PaladineAvenger1]

@@CertifiedAdachiLover i find her precious and sweet muffin, but it's up to the personal taste i guess she is simple, trustworthy, yet kinky at the same time and laughs like a hyena. i love it lol

[@the_maker1841]

There needs to be a tighter rule on the compendium, it feels like you are just doing a no item and permadeath teammate run

[@masterblaster38]

I mean, here he gets the cut because he has to fight more in order to gain money which also puts him at risk of death and then also he can only fight so much because of the level cap so money isnt unlimited. So he can't just carelessly spam fusions and buy back. But yeah I think that should be limited.

[@BoxuTrev]

In case you do this again for reload, you can use dupes clause to skip personas you already have

[@LazeC014]

How about trying a run where every mc persona is one time use only. If you use the persona/s in a battle, you'll have to discard it/them after the battle (or fuse them). - the use of fusion and compendium is okay - run starts after you get your first persona (other than isanagi) - personas you carry doesn't need to be discarded as long as you don't switch into that persona or start a battle with that persona equipped You can add your rules if you want to.

[@Someguyonline7732]

I did this on accident. I got this sheep persona kinda early and just rode it out the full game, giving it null skills for its weaknesses and maxed stats from shuffle time

[@octoink145]

Awhile ago I had the sadistic thought of a nuzlocke challenge for the journey, the answer, and Elizabeth in persona 3 FES but I think that might be way too much. But if someone can do it, they're absolutely insane in a good way

[@fenixchief7]

Considering Orpheus and MC solo runs are possible, its probably not too much

[@cafequente8252]

I think one interesting way to make the cahllenge less punishing and more interesting at the same time would be to make it so, whenever you get a game over, instead of restarting the game right away, you can go back to your previous save file, but have to discard the persona you had equipped when you died That, of course, would imply that the compendium is banned, which most of the comment session seems to think should be done either way

[@mayborneflower]

Anyone know if crits are locked for the Shadow Yosuke fight? I suspect nonstop Zio spam with consecutive crits (unlikely as it is) might be the key to victory on Hard.

[@Jinte]

Magic doesn’t crit in Persona games, and the down from hitting the weak spot doesn’t stack like SMT games with Press Turn. He’d probably run out of SP before finishing the fight.

[@mayborneflower]

@@Jinte Thanks for the clarity

[@BBallRambling]

I sure hope you aren’t actually starting the game over every time you lose. I get saying that as a part of the challenge, but to spend so many hours of your time redoing things off screen just to get back to where you were when we the viewers don’t see it is really poor time management. I really appreciate these videos, they are a fun listen. I just don’t want you wasting dozens of hours of your time.

[@AtlasDBSZ]

was just playing P4G and happened to stumble across this!

[@skeith804]

You should check out his low level Very Hard runs too. That one is insane.

[@AtlasDBSZ]

Will do, thanks for the reccomendation!

[@shyguyevolved7392]

I do like the idea of nuzlocke on persona but when it comes to persona i've played only 2 of them they were persona 5 royal and persona 5 strikers and between the 2 i've only beaten persona 5 royal however if i had a chance to i'd try out persona 5 tactica, persona 4 golden, and then probably persona 3 reload also i thought of an idea for challenges on persona and that would be say you play persona 5 royal have jocker use personas of only 1 arcana type so pick an arcana and have jocker only use personas of that arcana now i say jocker specifically so the others in the group can still use there personas so basically the main character uses only 1 arcana type instead of multiple, what do you think?

[@fonsfonsvel]

how do you have so many personas if you're only allowed to take the first one? by the time you reach rise's palace you have 5 personas when you would have at most 3, did i miss something? lol

[@zeropointgravity9051]

fusion

[@fonsfonsvel]

@@zeropointgravity9051 that doesnt answer the question lol, is he using the compendium?

[@Crawm111]

@@fonsfonsvelyeah he mentions early on he was using the compendium, kinda defeats the point of restricting personas from shuffle time.

[@Ziroikabi]

@@Crawm111 it means he has to fight more in order to gain money which also puts him at risk of death and then also he can only fight so much because of the level cap so money isnt unlimited. So he can't just carelessly spam fusions and buy back

[@gwakamoley]

@@Ziroikabi money really isn’t an issue past like… rise’s dungeon

[@Kurtistrent007]

So Persona 3 Reloaded with nuzlocke option when?

[@KillerStar565]

Bro said palace

[@TheatreKiller]

Think I missed something. You have the Sandman persona at 10:29. Is that allowed?

[@regalblade8171]

He must've fused one

[@dcu5216]

based yukiko stan

[@Animalkitrit]

Personally i didnt know izanami had worlds end. She never used it in my run lol

[@AnaverdGaiden]

Man... that extra month and terrible bonus dungeon they added in Golden really destroys the pacing of the endgame

[@jadebayoba7073]

Wait how did you recherge the sp before yukiko's boss if u are doing it 1 day?

[@colepatterson6408]

You can grind for sp items on her 1st floor, but he did say he basically wouldn't have to do that very much. It would be super easy to just go to another day and justify it by saying "well it's possible to grind so why waste the time" and not actually do it.

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

You should try this with SMT3 Nocturne. Definitely a fun challenge run

[@falconlover5322]

whats your definition of fun ? lol

[@raathh]

@@falconlover5322 i guess at this point is probably watching other suffer lmao

[@SheverQ]

To make it harder u should not use persona fusions, only use persona from shuffle time.

[@cronoluminara6911]

So maybe just starting persona and ability to fuse the first personas you get in towers not whole compendium but great job nonetheless

[@TheCobraKing209]

Personalocke part 2

[@maxreker2976]

Palace :(

[@blackfrostfilms-dl8wo]

I read no items and level cap as no level cap

[@Xxblade17]

Awesome

[@Kacszu]

I don't think that the items should even be a rule. Items in persona games aren't as over powerd as they are in pokemon games. You can't cheese your way through fights with them because there is no power points and the money you would have to spend on them is hard enough to get in P4. Needless rule in my oppinion but still a great video

[@HenriqueRJchiki]

imagine wiping in Izanami 🤣

[@lorienremy3709]

i like the idea a lot, but allowing fusions and the compendium really makes the "one persona per dungeon" totally irrelevant. It makes it basically a level capped permadeath run, and not that much a nuzzlock.

[@Terror0619]

If you're resummoning personas you already used in a fusion to do another fusion, that's not a nuzlocke. I didn't hear if you clarified. All i heard was compendium because i was doing something else. That's off limts.

[@muffet1536]

I feel like because p4g is so easy, the level cap should be a few levels bellow the bosses (3 or 5 imo). I did that in my last playthrough and its just a lot more intetesting.

[@patricklodge1576]

P4g is not easy at all. Its not super hard but its def difficult for a newbie ans or on hard

[@masterblaster38]

Nahh P4G is honestly mainly hard in hard mode. Specially compared to P5R.

[@DarkAngelAwA]

Not sure but I think Hulk Hogan is weak to elec

[@junfalushir4106]

oh god

[@citrufruit]

bro called the dungeons palaces

[@goblincaged3898]

I’m pretty sure we all started with p5 so it’s understandable lmao

[@shungite8240]

In a way the dungeons are palaces, they both form in the collective unconscious and tend to take the form of the way they view themselves

[@HopeyDiamond]

Just use cleave, the hp cost doesn't matter if you can beat Jiraiya in less turns 🙄🤡

[@fenixchief7]

Everyone crying about this run clearly never watched pchal

[@terribleduelist4433]

Just here to point out that the permadeath rule is pointless because if protag dies It's already a game over Enjoy the video people who are actually going to watch it

[@Lunaphire]

Assuming they meant party members.

[@Jinte]

Permadeath in this case would probably mean releasing whatever persona you had when you game overed.

[@flqme8299]

Let goop

[@JohnnyWorld]

Man I know persona 4 is a great game. I just dont like it. I have 100% it. I don't know. When I play P4 I feel like I am cheating on P3.

[@Summer-us5ql]

No

[@vanillafloat]

Compendium really ruins it

[@jean_pierre_jelareff]

For your info is not palace its dungeon its not like persona 5

[@killerwesker6526]

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