Modify the Bevel on a Mora Spoon / Hook Knife - Lee Stoffer

[@Zedoutdoors]

I also filmed this video with Lee Stoffer - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnW2e4aVl9GbiMk

[@benvlootski]

i have met lee before such a nice guy but i will never forgive him for introducing me to your channel the hours that ive spent watching videos love the content

[@Zedoutdoors]

Ha! Sincerely appreciate the kind words and for supporting this channel, really means a lot thank you ~Peace~

[@englishwoodsman]

😯😯😯😯 I don't normally watch things like this BUT YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Cheers dude and hope you've been keeping well ~Peace~

[@daeholm]

I did this with just hand tools. After taking off the bulk of the metal with a file I used sandpaper on a mouse pad to blend and convex the blade. Worked really well.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Very cool, indeed you can get very creative about you approach this modification ~Peace~

[@lisawilson269]

Wow, nice. And good to see you working with Lee.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thank you kindly Lisa and indeed Lee is an absolute gem to spend time with ~Peace~

[@iboikarus860]

Thank you very much for this video. I started modifying my two Mora spoon knives a few days ago. I don't use power tools. So this video is very educational. The movement of the file is the best tip for me. Thanks so much.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thats awesome to hear and I hope you're able to finish off modyfying the Mora's ~Peace~

[@nigelwylie01]

It looks so easy watching you do it, Lee. I’m sure you won’t remember your scorp I tried to re-grind after dropping it and chipping the edge! In the end I had to send it to you to undo all the ‘work’ I had done. Thanks for your skill, good nature and top notch tools. The re-grind you did is still going strong, and now I can see how ‘easy’ it was for you to do 😂. Worth every penny.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Appreciate you watching Nigel and Lee's like the tool doctor for the wider community! 😆 ~Peace~

[@lesliecrowther7004]

Zed, yet another good one 👍 Lee is something else isn't he. I know this one was a year ago but always well worth watching and you can learn quite a lot. Good sensible 👍 advice that's worth knowing about and easy enough for anyone to be able to do for themselves. Wish you well mate 👍 and of course Lee if you could pass it on for me please 🙏. I know he had a bit of a rough patch I while back, I certainly hope he's all good now. Thanks again Zed. Les.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Sincerely appreciate the kind words Les and indeed Lee is a treasure trove of knowledge, very humble about it too. I will pass on your kind sentiment to him when i next see him which should hopefully be very soon. Take care my friend ~Peace~

[@gcarson19]

Great video! I'm very impressed with Lee's skill and instruction , makes it seem doable.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thank you Garret and indeed thats testament to Lee's great tuition and ability to explain things well ~Peace~

[@TheMrWoodsman]

Very informative.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thank you kindly my friend ~Peace~

[@davidpasquariello1902]

Definitely another winner! As a newcomer, I still struggle with proper sharpening, and find this video to be quite helpful . I have micro-bevels on a double-sided hook knife, and was concerned about ruining the blade if I lost those. If I understand Lee, the performance will only improve if I indeed manage to round the back of the blade. This seems to explain, at least in part, why I tend to get chip out and chatter as I approach the lip of the spoon. Thanks again for helping me to form a better idea about how to properly shape the tool.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Hi David, indeed sharpening definitely comes with time and lots of practise. I have dedicated sharpening videos on my channel you should check out and worth checking out this page on my blog where I list all my tutorials in subject order - zedoutdoors.com/video-tutorials

[@johanneswerner1140]

I have the same knife, and I thought the chatter was just a dull blade and a stupid user. This gives me hope! And great that @Zedoutdoors and Lee included some h&s, we are much less cavalier about that stuff than people used to be. This makes the video complete. Thanks!

[@thewoodbotherer]

As it's a "leftie", I'd buy that in a heartbeat!

[@Zedoutdoors]

Indeed this is perfect for you! ~Peace~

[@georgianagardner2098]

Excellent photography, process always visual. Thanks Zed!

[@Zedoutdoors]

Sincerely appreciate your kind words and for watching my friend! ~Peace~

[@ThomasK-lg5lu]

Glad you show/know how to file a radius properly! Wonder the steel are so soft filing are posible

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thank you for watching Thomas and happy to hear you liked the video ~Peace~

[@hegdespoorti]

Thank you for the great video 🤠🤠

[@Zedoutdoors]

Appreciate your kind words and for watching! ~Peace~

[@sinkhole777]

Great vid fellas! I will put that in my to do list for my spoon knife.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Awesome stuff! best of luck and many thanks for watching ~Peace~

[@jmw1910]

Great video!! This one was so good you might consider doing a series of home made/ home modified tools. Just a thought, thanks for the great content. Cheers!

[@Zedoutdoors]

I'll definitely take that suggestion on board and many thanks for the kind words! ~Peace~

[@urmelausdemeis3495]

Das wär Phantastisch! Sehr gute Idee!

[@Impaler71]

Great video as always. Your videos are both helpful and inspiring! Thanks from a longtime subscriber. I wouldn’t mind seeing a video where you carve a spoon or some other green wood utensil!

[@Zedoutdoors]

Sincerely apprciate your long time support Matthias and I hope to be filming myself making in the new year ~Peace~

[@paulsmithies7620]

Yes I would like to see that too, maybe on a camping trip ?

[@indianatone218]

Thanks for showing us this adaptation ,I've just got a mora 164 ,so will definitely have a go making it better i like the dowel system you use thats another gr8 tip cheers . Greetings from Wales ive liked and subd you .

[@Zedoutdoors]

Sincerely appreciate the kind words and chuffed to hear you found this video useful. Also sincerely appreciate the sub and hope you enjoy the many other videos I have on the channel ~Peace~

[@albertrasch4793]

Beginners most certainly should attempt all the ideas presented! It is the only way to learn. But be mindful, and do dangerous things, carefully! AAR

[@Zedoutdoors]

Most definitely, always need to be careful with projects like this ~Peace~

[@fastfranki108]

Fantastic insight to Lee”s working. Definitely worth trying. I’d really like to see Lee hand sharpen an axe if possible. Great work as always Zed ~Respect

[@Zedoutdoors]

Sincerely appreciate your kind words Glen and I wil ask Lee if he is up for doing a video on axe sharpening ~Peace~

[@paulsmithies7620]

As always great youtube, legends both

[@Zedoutdoors]

You the man Paul thank you ~Peace~

[@affalaffaa]

Will be doing this to mine. Hand tools only, so might take a while, but would probably be the safer option, for me and anyone else straying close to me haha. Thanks for the vid.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Trust me even i'd only attempt this with hand tools haha! :) ~Peace~

[@paullambert4445]

Thanks for the video. It will improve my carving knives. Across grain cutting is needed for most projects. 34:50

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thank you for watching Paul and chuffed to hear this video helped in some way ~Peace~

[@stirwoodcraft]

Surprised at how much cleaner Lees hans are using barrier cream, gonna get some.

[@Zedoutdoors]

They definitely made a huge difference! ~Peace~

[@LitoGeorge]

New subscriber for both Zed, Lee and Chris. So chuffed I found you guys. Seem like a good bunch and when I open my Christmas present to myself on Christmas (full set of carving knives plus 2 spoon knives), I'll be seeing how I can modifying the hook knife to look like this. All the best to you.

[@Zedoutdoors]

A sincere pleasure to be connected and thank you so much for your kind words. Excited to hear about your new set of tools, hope they serve you well and that these videos help you in your journey. Stay well my friend and happy carving ~Peace~

[@ColonelBummleigh]

30:20 cor! Lovely stuff.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Beautiful isn't it! ~Peace~

[@mrkultra1655]

Thanks guys

[@Zedoutdoors]

Much appreciated thank you ~Peace~

[@azharothman8535]

Assalam Zed. Good video. Keep it up. Take care. I still need to atart spoon carving. Cheers. Azhar malaysia

[@Zedoutdoors]

Wasalam Azhar and thank you for watching ~Peace~

[@vicegrips188]

Mora-difications 😜 looking sharp chaps✌

[@Zedoutdoors]

Ha! I see what you did there :) ~Peace~

[@jonnied17]

Brilliant video again Zed! Thanks for demystifying the process Lee. Can you tell us all what compounds you use for the polishing? Thank you!

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thank you kindly dude and alas I don't remember exactly what compounds they were, so worth messaging Lee through Instagram (link in description) ~Peace~

[@LeeStoffer]

They're made by menzerna. Grey medium cut, white super fine.

[@jonnied17]

@@LeeStoffer cheers Lee much appreciated

[@CrisAnderson27]

I heavy 3m polishing belt will remove those bevels in short order, and if you spray it with water while doing so...there's no chance to damage the temper. They sell them in multiple grits. Took me more time to change belts than it did to polish out my spoon knife...and there was no hand polishing at the end.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Appreciate your insights and indeed there are many ways of achieving the same end result ~Peace~

[@parktheo]

Can you share the source for both of those hard buffing wheels? Thanks. I used my Tormek to get it close but now need to polish.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Hi I have linked to Lee's Instagram in the decription below the video, worth asking him there so he can point you in the right direction ~Peace~

[@MrDancingBishop]

Amazing as ever, I did have a couple of queries. I have a hook from another maker and the inner bt is very convexed, would you recommend grinding that down? Also on the sorby is that an extra block you've added to the back plate to give more flex in the belt above? I'm a big fan of all that you's do and so generous with your time, true gent's

[@soundtracks6656]

That is weird, as an ideal inner should be concave, so the friction between the hook and the hook knife would be reduced to minimum. But this kind of spoon knives are not easy to be made, and will be expensive, usually only professionals buy them. That's why the inner is flat for 95% of all spoon knives. But in any case, the inner can't be convexed 👍 Is not too easy to modify it from convex to flat, as you have to be very careful regarding the edge. If you can afford, buy a good flat inner hook knife.

[@MrDancingBishop]

@@soundtracks6656 must of my hooks are hollow ground or tram lines as there sometimes called. The hook I'm actually referring to is a twca cam. I was wondering if it would be worth doing and how to go about doing it. I've seen a drill press and a conical stone used before, but I can't afford the money or the space for that. Was looking for alternative. Thanks for the reply 😁

[@MrDancingBishop]

Was thinking Drill and sanding tube or the top of the Sorby OR fashioning something to my grinder... Or good excuse to buy a lathe (rabbit hole I'm not ready for)

[@Zedoutdoors]

Hi Kevin I appreciate your kind words and for watching. I have that issue with one of my spoon knives as well, where the inner bit is slightly convexed due to the bending of the steel. You can most definitely grind that down, just got to make sure you don't over heat the steel and that you dont go near the edges ~Peace~

[@LeeStoffer]

Instead of the drill press you could try a dremmel for a more compact freehand option to hollow grind. As long as the blade is plenty thick enough so what's left isn't weak, quite a lot of force can be applied through the longer handle of a twca cam.

[@Ocinbub]

nice! I was already planning to do this to my hookknife this week. Now I will no better what to watch out for. Can you ask Lee what kind of backplate he had on the sorby? I`m lucky I got the same. But I dont have that little block on the platten. (behind the belt).

[@leeslightwarriorsunited4502]

It's a custom made platten but the Sorby knife platten should do a similar job, you just need to bring the belt forward slightly to create a little bit of slack belt to help with the convexing.

[@Ocinbub]

@@leeslightwarriorsunited4502 thx! For the quick response I've got the nornal one and the thicker one for knives. So that will be fine. I also want to hollow grind it with a ball rotary grinder bit. Like Sean Hellman wrote in his book. Any experience with that? Is there enough metal to do both?

[@Zedoutdoors]

Lee responding from his yoga mystic page. ...what a stud ~Peace~

[@leeslightwarriorsunited4502]

@@Ocinbub on the newer mora's I'd say hollowing it as well would makeit to thin, there's not much metal there to begin with so you only want to take a minimal amount off the outside. Hollowing only really helps make sharpening a little easier, thicker blades might tolerate it being ground in but ideally it wants to be forged in during production.

[@adze-bk1lw]

Cheers . I got a lot out of that

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thats great to hear and many thanks for the kind words words ~Peace~

[@d.2110]

How about a two sided hook knife? That's the one I have. Would you still do this? Something to beware of?

[@Zedoutdoors]

It could work on a two sided hook knife, but generally speaking i'd advise not to attempt this process with that as it could be quite dangerous ~Peace~

[@urmelausdemeis3495]

Great . Sehr instruktives Video. Sowohl vom erklären als auch von der Demonstration als auch von der Kameraführung aus meiner Sicht einfach perfekt. Danke für dieses Video. - Empfehlen Sie für derartige Arbeiten die Hohlbeitel ebenso von der Kante zu befreien und organisch zu runden wie bei dem Messer für Löffel? Do you recommend to do the same process with your Chisels ?

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thank you for yoru kind words, regarding doing this with a gouge. It all depends on the type of gouge as they are many varieties ~Peace~

[@urmelausdemeis3495]

Thanks for answering. You are right: I meant a hollowed Gouge not a straight Chisel. Do you already have a video about this?

[@johnmutton799]

There are loads of vids saying these are rubbish. What do you think? Especially now you have altered it?

[@Zedoutdoors]

It is what it is for the price, doing this mod on it makes it a usable tool. However, if you can't be bothered modding it, there are other brands of spoon knives within this price raneg that are better such as 'Wood Tools' ~Peace~

[@JohnGault2398]

How well would this work for the double edged Mora blades?

[@Zedoutdoors]

Hi Andrew, it would work for that too, just got to be careful wth both edges ~Peace~

[@LeeStoffer]

Personally I'm not a fan of the double edge so I'd pick my favourite and convert it so a single edged knife as pat of the process.

[@ivancho5854]

Video quality: 360p or 1080p Premium. Wtf? Zed are you aware of this? 👎👎

[@Zedoutdoors]

First i've seen this, I know KZbin is making lots of changes to the platform so hopefully this video resorts back to normal 'video quality' options, rest is out of my hands dude ~Peace~

[@woodsroamer6175]

Thanks

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thank you ~Peace~