The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom | Trailer Analysis

[@daniebello]

i love this period where i watch 82528262 videos microanalyzing the same 5 minutes of video for a whole month until the next crumb of info is released

[@PunknPixels]

we are SO back

[@infinitecurlie]

Same. I got SO excited when this dropped cause I went omg the Zelda theorists are so back 😭.

[@KodasToyReviews]

I do the same

[@richardmahn7589]

Better than 4 years of this!

[@bluejetplays]

Same bro. Same

[@megamannt125]

I'm glad you finally have some Zelda to talk about and get excited about again.

[@KBFalin0027]

I have watched several break downs of the trailer and this is the most comprehensive and I learned more info and saw less duplicate info from other content makers, even Zeltik, and this great content . Thanks for the hard work. Top tier.

[@lordofthe6string]

I've noticed something people aren't mentioning. Most people are guessing there is a time limit on spawns, because they start flashing, BUT if you look closely they only start flashing when Zelda no longer has enough tris, and it's the oldest thing she spawned that flashes. Look at the first bed at the Gerudo section, when she spawns the trampoline the oldest bed she put down flashes. I think it isn't a timer but a 'if you spawn something else, this flashing one will despawn'.

[@ZeldaLore]

Very possible! Would be like Cryonis, where if we spawn more than three, one breaks

[@kevinsmith163]

​@@ZeldaLore This is 2 months late, but I wanted to point out to you that the Gerudo here has pointed ears, just like the Gerudo from BOTW/TOTK, not rounded ears. Look closer at the footage.

[@TheCayDawg]

It appears most, if not all echoes will be on a timer as the clip of Zelda entering Gerudo Town shows the first bed she placed start to flash yellow just like the Moblin

[@Articfoxgamez]

I don't think it's a timer. The echoes dont begin to glow untill you use all of the Echo charge things. I think its just telling you what item will dissapear and get replaced if you summon another echo

[@TheCayDawg]

@@Articfoxgamez Good point, but I can't imagine they'd just let the monster summons remain active indefinitely. If I can just summon 4 stalfos at once it'd be kinda unbalanced.

[@tristanneal9552]

Wow, the sword resembling the Zonai Fuse icon is super interesting!!

[@kakarikokage2514]

I find it funny that we analyze Aonuma's shirt as well. Bro can't even just wear a Zelda shirt without us thinking it has some deeper meaning.

[@stdesy]

Aonuma’s shirt was made by Editmode of Kyoto Japan. It was limited edition from their “Open Office 2024 Volume 2” event which was April 27th-May 6th. You had to physically go to their store to buy one for 5800 yen but I’m sure he got one dropped off at his office for free

[@theloruleanhistorian]

That red bird was a Scarlet macaw, a Neotropical bird~

[@CaptBurgerson]

Why did I misread this as “a neurotypical bird” 😅

[@briana1273]

@@CaptBurgersonthat means Medli’s a neodesertified birb

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

Link fails in his fight with Ganon... I think this is the event that BEGINS the Downfall Timeline!! Any relation to the previously released Link's Awakening is likely due to asset recycling (just like Majora's Mask). Reallly, I think this is a prequel to ALttP. This video is the highest detail I've ever seen, even looking at T-Shirts! Very well done, sir... Chapeau!!

[@aithjawcraig9876]

@mrgreatbigmoose I thought the downfall timeline was created when Link time traveled in OOT - in the other timeline where he was sent back he ends up losing against Ganondorf.

[@JaidynReiman]

@@aithjawcraig9876 That's the child and adult timelines. The downfall timeline is a non-existent scenario where Link supposedly loses to the final boss. I always thought this was a dumb idea and it makes more sense that perhaps the scenario where Link is sealed in time for 7 years happened as a result of Link failing to defeat Ganondorf as a child. That said, I don't think this is the start of the downfall timeline, either, because the world is too much like LTTP rather than OOT, but I do think its very likely this game is pre-LTTP. Just not immediately after OOT.

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

​@JaidynReiman if they are a bit constrained by reusing some LA assets, I could see this as a meld between ALttP/ALBW's map and OoT's map. Link's house isn't there yet, the mountain and volcano are further apart, etc. and so I'm betting prequel.

[@freddy3238]

The image on Ganon's cape also mimics the design of his 2 headed glaive, the weapon that caused the rift.

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

Tri is a pun with Tree, as Tri is also designed after Kodama which are tree spirits. And the gameplay mechanics follows after the Dorei japanese clay bell, that is a wish-granting charm similar to Daruma.

[@mandrias]

Excellent analysis. Thank you for this. I loved it.

[@aetherial87]

This game very much looks like a fusion of ALTTP and OOT and it's working well, haha

[@Chris-gx1ei]

I rather think the Sword looks more like the Noble Sword or White Sword (the Japanese name for Noble Sword) from the Oracle Games and Hyrule Warriors, so maybe this is what the Noble Sword looks like when it got the Holundrum/Labrynna Dublicate of the Master Sword, this explains why it can harm Ganon without spin attacks since you cannot harm him in the Oracle Games without either a Spin Attack or the "Master Sword Dublication" I honestly don't think they'll do more Zonai References outside of Tears of the Kingdom considering they easily throw their new races away just to make a new one.

[@ZayaMillis]

It's pretty cool that the world and story seems to be a mix between classic Zelda and breath of the wild

[@WistyFish]

This is the first new game hype since I got into the series and I’m loving it

[@BradleyGodlyGovt]

Welcome back! So glad we finally have new Zelda content to talk and theorize about and analyze, and to see regular videos from you again. Just noticed in your video that in the underground part with the skulltulas that it shows the current known max echo triangle limit, will be interesting to see how many it can be upgraded to.

[@GameEssays]

Amazing work! I loved how thorough your analysis was. I'm so excited for this game.

[@previllion5355]

Me watching every analysis video from every channel even though they’re all pretty much the same 😅 It’s just nice to talk about some Zelda again!

[@YTPremiumWatch]

Keep up the excellent work on the channel, ZL 🙏

[@Doodle1678]

The trident could just be a reused assets I mean why would they make a new trident when they already had the model of that one from the Links Awakening Remake. I do think it being a sequel to Link to the past would be interesting however

[@JaidynReiman]

This is the safest explanation. The oddity here though is the world map itself. That is more important, because they had to recreate the LTTP world map using the LA art style. Its possible they started as a remake of LTTP again and decided to make a new game, again. Or maybe they purposely recreated the LTTP world map while desiring to make a new game based on that world. Unfortunately we can't know for sure without interviews.

[@Nichou_The_WindMaker]

Thanks for this excellent video!

[@ElizaShakiraMassani]

This game is connected to so many other games but I can’t say it isn’t connected to breath of the wild with the way it threw in so many little things that reminded me of that game

[@Sylentmana]

Top down Zelda games are my favorites. Super stoked for another one.

[@chadcampbell8322]

I loved playing Link's Awakening and the cute art style. This game has me excited. I just hope this game is bigger and deeper. My only complaint with Link's Awakening was it was too short. I know it was originally a game boy game but I just wanted more!

[@Manacra13]

My only problem with the TP map comparison is Death Mountain should still be in the east. Specifically south east of Snow Peak/Hebra. I think a much more logical approach would be to use BotW map combined with the fact volcanoes can turn off and on through the ages. It’s possible Mount Hebra and Death Mountain are active at different times and keep switching back and forth. This could also explain why in WW the rito village is an active volcano but an Ice Mountain by the time of BotW.

[@theiriskrissgamingandmisce]

Those stones being warp spots could be but I wonder if they're also how you get more of the triangles for tri

[@Gyashonav]

Once one mountain goes dormant and cold, the other could become active again.

[@JaidynReiman]

"It is clear" No its not. The simplest explanation is they reused the same model from Link's Awakening remake. Remember that in Link's Awakening, the Ganon design was always supposed to be based on LTTP to begin with despite the trident shape not matching. The rest of the world being so significantly different from LTTP's world kills the idea of it being directly adjacent to LTTP.

[@JaidynReiman]

I never noticed before that the Peahat takes 3 shards as well!

[@davidholton5247]

Great analysis, really enjoyed it.

[@shanesimons8987]

Waiting for your analysis and boy was it worth it🙏🏻

[@kallien8566]

Link's sword in the key art looks slightly different from what we see at the beginning of the trailer

[@ZeldaLore]

That's true! I noticed after posting the video lol

[@alexbaconnator1668]

The candle like enemy reminds me of the Kyandokyan in Oracle of Ages

[@ZeldaLore]

True! Although they behave differently, so I doubt they are the same creature

[@blaschin16]

Still watching, only a couple minutes in, his cloak has zonai symbols!

[@sorikaiwolf8955]

What’s the music that starts at 15:55 ? 18:13? And 24:33? Obviously from Zelda games I’ve never played but I love the music 🎶

[@logansmith2703]

There's nothing to indicate this is the same Link as LA, much less a prequel. Artstyle and character models don't necessarily mean that.

[@michelk.8008]

33:21 Could you please tell me which soundtrack this is specifically? You've done an Amazing Work with the Video ❤

[@ensuena5461]

Thank you

[@BowieZ]

force of habit at 34:36 XD

[@stevengurney4618]

Zelda lore by the way the rope enemy actually first appeared in the original legend of Zelda by the way I’m sorry if I made you feel mad😢.

[@mikebrushing1851]

19:55 those ears look pretty pointy to me?

[@JaidynReiman]

Its OOT Gerudo because they're wearing Gerudo Thief masks, which have only ever been seen post-OOT in MM (which were Pirates and reused the OOT models) and the past events of TOTK. In all other appearances they don't wear masks. I do agree that it looks like they might have pointed ears, but its hard to say from this angle.

[@Kid_illithid]

I wish open world Pokémon looked like this.

[@logansmith2703]

31:32 weren't Ropes in Zelda 1? Or was that some other snake enemy

[@ZeldaLore]

Yeah, they were in Zelda 1, small mistake on my part

[@ZeldaLore]

Yeah they were in Zelda 1, small mistake on my part

[@Omnitrickster0207]

Is the discord still active

[@Rizky-Gumilar]

Whats your opinion on so many people trashing this game graphics and gameplay? They want The first Zelda game starring her as main protags to be a big game with superb graphics and battle system like aloy from ps

[@GenMars]

what of this is a sequel to link between worlds?

[@ZeldaLore]

Can't be. The island in lake hylia is as it was in ALTTP. By the time of ALBW they build the house of gales there

[@GenMars]

@@ZeldaLore I see

[@darkdagger5237]

@@ZeldaLore Perhaps its from the Oracle timeline split having one continue into A link between worlds and the other into Echos of wisdom.

[@felipemesquita7697]

@@ZeldaLoreit also can’t be a sequel to ALttP because in ALBW there is still no separation between Death Mountain and Mount Hebra. And Death Mountain is now where the Lost Woods and the Master Sword should be. I get that Hyrule’s geography is inconsistent, but I don’t think it’s that inconsistent. Hence why I believe that, as of now, it is either after Zelda 2 in the Downfall Timeline, or between the Imprisoning War and BotW in a new timeline spawned from the end of SS.

[@JaidynReiman]

@@felipemesquita7697 Honestly its not physically possible for the mountains to split apart that far. And Death Mountain in LBW is volcanic throughout the whole thing, its just that only the west half has a crater (in Spectacle Rock). We can see spectacle rock here and its not volcanic. The western mountain didn't "split" from the eastern mountain, it always existed and just wasn't visible from that map. This new volcanic mountain is west of the Lost Woods, beyond the boundaries of the maps shown in LTTP and LBW.

[@felipemesquita7697]

Alright, time for a “Timeline Placement Guessing Game” for this one! After watching this analysis, and having in mind that the game is still not out, I think there are only 2 possible placements where this game can fit: Either the very end of the Downfall Timeline, after Zelda 2; or in a different timeline that spawned after the defeat of Demise in the end of Skyward Sword, where I believe BotW and TotK are set in, therefore being set somewhere after the Imprisoning War and before BotW. My reasons for believing it to be at the end of the Downfall Timeline have to do with the geography of this Hyrule and the many races found across the trailer. I believe that, after Zelda 2, given the state of Hyrule at the time, one of the Zeldas, or both, must have wished upon the completed Triforce for the restoration of the land to its former glory from before Ganon. This would imply that, over time, Hyrule began a process of healing that could have drawn back the many races seen in the trailer back to the kingdom, causing it to be a mix between what is seen in ALttP and OoT. The geography of the kingdom makes me believe it even more. My reasons for a new timeline are many, but to keep it simple, it could be a means for Nintendo to tell whatever stories they want without being too chained by the timeline seen in Hyrule Historia as well as not ditching the previous continuity entirely. With this in mind, it could be that this game is set anywhere between the Imprisoning War and BotW, with the elements from other timelines returning and coming together to make a brand new story with “rhyming” tidbits here and there to other games and lore, as I believe that this possible new timeline spawned from the end of SS could be some kind of “Unified Timeline” formed by bringing together and reinterpreting other timelines’s lores. The goddess statue, the Sheikah visuals, the “pedestal” near the Deku Tree, and even the details of Link’s weapons and hood gives me reason to think as such. In the end, we have to wait and see.

[@darkdagger5237]

The geography of Hyrule debunks both placements. First this Hyrule is too small for it to come after Zelda II as Zelda II Hyrule expanded a vast distance to the north dwarfing the Hyrule of all other games. Second why would the map morph from being the Breath of the wilds map to something resembling the fallen timeline map and then morph BACK in to the Breath of the wilds map answer it wouldn't and if you want proof compare the Breath of the wilds map with the Geoglyphs map.

[@felipemesquita7697]

@@darkdagger5237 like I said. It could be that Hyrule began to heal after a wish upon the Triforce. This healing could have had other effects on the land that shifted the geography around. And if you’ve seen the Hyrule Encyclopedia map comparisons, you’ll notice that the geography of Hyrule has been somewhat inconsistent with some placements of some regions. Like in TP in comparison to OoT when it comes to Zora’s Domain, or like in ALttP to OoT when it comes to the forest and the location of the Master Sword, which supposedly is to be the pedestal of time still. But It is as I said. There is no way of knowing where it is 100% until the game launches. I may be wrong, and that’s ok. When I get more evidence, either my views are confirmed or not, and if not I’ll find more clues to properly answer this question.

[@darkdagger5237]

@@felipemesquita7697 I've read that section of Hyrule encyclopedia and quite frankly it is false. I've compared the maps of every game and their landmarks the results are shockingly consistent. The Master sword pedestals all being the same location would make every other landmark shift around wildly. If you still want to use that section of Hyrule encyclopedia then I challenge you to construct a unified map of Hyrule following what the book says exactly. Then after that tell me that the book is right with a strait face.

[@felipemesquita7697]

@@darkdagger5237 … Yeah, you have a good point. You’re right, mate. Still, I’ll keep my position until I can see the game on YT and play it for myself, since I still can’t see it being before ALBW. But then again, I’ve been wrong before so…

[@darkdagger5237]

@@felipemesquita7697 There is always the Oracle split to consider its a timeline split that most people don't talk about because the exact impact of the split is unknown.

[@gregpl9363]

no matter how cool it is we are getting a new Zelda game, to me this exactly depicts what I was worried about when putting Zelda in the lead in a TLoZ game, which is swordplay. trust me, using enemies as a spell to fight other enemies might seem fun at first, but will get stale really fast if you are constantly outside of the action. Imagine Link having this ability/staff, being able to summon enemy spawns and combining your sword attacks with the attacks of the summons. that is a whole different dynamic than summoning an enemy spawn and Zelda throwing a rock at an enemy in the background. im not saying they won't expand upon Zelda's abilities, but people, including myself are going to miss swordplay eventually( and I dont think that Sheikah was teaching Zelda a technique, rather it could be an elaborate summon which takes out most enemies on screen like the medaillons did in A Link to the Past.) always thought IF they found it necessary to release a game with Zelda as the protagonist, they should've gone for one with an adult Zelda who is able to switch between her Sheik form and her regular form ( Sheik for hand to hand/ melee combat and regular Zelda for magic), in a time period after Link got send back in time for instance. dont want to be that guy, but I really hoped they wouldn't go for a Zelda lead game. I know a lot of people are excited and th world looks amazing, but how everybody was going wild thinking Tears of the Kingdom might feature a playable Zelda, I now hope that at some point in the game you can also play as Link in this iteration of hyrule, because the 2,5D top down world looks awesome. ah well guess we will see. little bummed we probably won't get a new Zelda with Link as a lead for a couple of years now. dont wanna be a party pooper, but yeah... 😶

[@Ray-dl5mp]

Yes I’m hoping the beginning of the game wants you to get used to the echo tri rod thing because that is a big part of the puzzle solving. And to have fun and be creative of course. But definitely slots for other weapons which would be really cool if she gets different abilities. And at least we know she can throw a rock. She can directly attack enemies ha. Plus I’m not sure why people really care about combat a lot with Zelda games. It’s all about puzzles to me. Even Link’s Awakening is not about the combat at all to me. Sure there is combat and battles but it’s mostly a dungeon puzzle game. Combat in Zelda is there so people don’t get bored imo. But it’s all about figuring stuff out and exploration.

[@timothyd3608]

I do not like the direction TLoZ series is taking.... Love the idea of using a similar map as LttP.... why ruin it using Zelda as the main character?

[@codykondo6973]

Millions of players have been asking, for decades, for a game with Zelda as the main character. Aonuma has publicly responded to that request many times. This is a very long time coming. I, for one, am very excited about this direction. And I cannot imagine what you could possibly dislike about it, or in what way it “ruins” anything.