Zen 6 To CHANGE EVERYTHING... Again! CCD Info & Specs LEAK

[@nossy232323]

All I want is a Zen 6 X3D with 16 cores in one CCD.

[@NunoFilipe99]

Same lol

[@Uthleber]

@@NunoFilipe99 and a Strix Halo Laptop with 8 (X3D) cores and 40 CU`s for under 1,5 k

[@TheCgOrion]

I think you'll get that. It's a logical step, for sure.

[@winnb4968]

Zen 6 X3D would have 16 cores on both CCD's. Zen 6 will also feature a 32 core CPU it will be Zen 6c. Zen 5c and Zen 6c is basically the (e cores) version of AMD. Zen 5 X3D is unsure if it has X3D on both CCD's. But Zen 6 X3D is for sure on both CCD and I expect Zen 6 to have double the cache amount vs Zen 5 X3D. Meaning Zen 5 could have a little more cache spit to two CCD's. But there is also a rumor/leaks that suggest Zen 6 to have 3 CCD's meaning Zen 4 will have X3D on one CCD, Zen 5 on two CCD's and Zen 6 also on two CCD's with the 3rd CCD being the CCD0 (which is the main CCD). But if main CCD0 and CCD1 will have X3D then CCD2 will be Zen 6c (as the 3rd CCD) which is for AI focused and other background tasks and when they implement X3D into the Zen 5 or 6c it will have more performance in frames and apps like DLSS/FSR/Raytraycing. If Zen 6 X3D comes out it will most likely use Zen 5c cores and this will be something like 16 cores Zen 6 + 4 cores Zen 5c or somewhere like 20-24 cores up to 32+ cores AMD's physical core count is a maximum of 8 cores per CCX and 16 cores per CCD if I'm correct Zen 4 was 8 cores per CCD, Zen 5 will be 16 cores per CCD and Zen 6 will be 32 cores per CCD the last one might be Zen 6c only and this CPU will be like a 16 cores on steroids for multitasking and programming and other heavy duty tasks like video editing.

[@justinpatterson5291]

I want so much V-Cache on my next CPU, it remembers its own creation at the fab.

[@afre3398]

This reminds of a song from the 80s "The Future's So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades" by Timbuk 3. If it was up to Intel. The typical consumer CPU would still be 4 cores and maybe 6 cores on the high end. For HEDT it would be 8 cores costing around $2000

[@jaxonswain3408]

This is probably the generation I'm upgrading to. I currently use a 5800x. 70-100% more performance is my criteria for a CPU upgrade.

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@ZiZo34344False CPU bottleneck still is a thing.

[@2muchjpop]

​@@ZiZo34344depends. People underestimate sometimes how much of a difference a CPU can make. If you have something like a 4090, the next gen CPU that's about come out can probably offset some of the load the GPU might be doing and free up performance for the GPU, hence increasing FPS output and requiring a better CPU. Def not as much as the actual raw CPU performance difference but enough to be noticable. Maybe from 60 to 90 fps and not 100+ but noticable

[@ThePgR777]

Double fps or I wont upgrade

[@korinogaro]

@@2muchjpop as long as your GPU sits ~99% utilization faster CPU gives you sh*t.

[@2muchjpop]

@@korinogaro okay bro put that 4090 on your q6600 (⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)

[@paleion0]

So Zen 5 single CCD 8 core X3D in 2025 then possibly Zen 6 single CCD 16 core X3D in 2026?

[@darkfire3691]

zen 6 x3D more like 2027.

[@chrisgraff2103]

I thought zen5 was q3 24

[@paleion0]

@@chrisgraff2103 For the non X3D variants. Zen 4 non X3D launched 2nd half of 2022 and X3D launched in 1st half 2023. If AMD keeps the same type of release schedule, Zen 5 X3D should be early 2025.

[@winnb4968]

@@darkfire3691 Yup Zen 6 end of 2026 and Zen 6 X3D 2027 Q1

[@winnb4968]

@@chrisgraff2103 Yes, Zen 5 release is between August-Sept it will release before Arrow Lake which release a month or two later then Zen 5 late Oct.

[@ZiZo34344]

You and Tom are the kings of PC leaks 😆

[@Jason_Bover9000]

This guy is better

[@winnb4968]

Gaymer Meld

[@CraigieBee]

I'd expect if Ryzen goes 32 or more performance cores, it would be on AM6 or some derivative. as 1718 pins is probably not going to cut it bandwidth wise. So expect much higher costs for both CPU and Motherboards.

[@korinogaro]

Like seriously, who the f*ck, except for like small % of professional users cares about doubling the cores? Majority of software can't even properly utilize 16 cores. And games have problem with 8 cores. A lot of them still hammers only 1-2 cores like it is year 2010. DIY market needs clocks, not cores.

[@necrospencer658]

It's about having more for your money, when will 200-299$ 8 cores cpu be a thing?

[@jamegumb7298]

_except for like small % of professional users_ Very few, so buy the cheapest ARM and firee up Office Online and webmail. Or the lowest 2 core. Oh wait lowest is 4 these days. It will do fine. _Majority of software can't even properly utilize 16 cores_ Define majority. By power use%? By lines of code? By number of programs used? Or sold? Many many free downloads of great software. Or by how many they really load up? By total running hours? The smaller helper programs that load 1 or 2 cores like CChelper, BorgBackup, 4K Downloader, are all programs used by people that also load up Photoshop, Da Vinci, that also may or may not load up 16 cores (often not). Even then, kernels for large programs like SolidWorks, SolidEdge, certain GIS packages cannot use 2 cores fully, almost every component depends on the previous. For brute forcing many paths for CAM or a good render it can load as many cores as you can throw at it, gpu's too. _games have problem with 8 cores_ Some do, some do not. A lot is multiplatform, all consoles have 8 cores, so games use 8 cores. If you then have some stuff in the background (most have more than they think) that loads those 8 cores too so 10-12 is ideal to me. My tray: Skype, Discord, Nvidia, Outlook, Qbittorrent, Avid Link, Seagate Toolkit, App Center, Phone Link, G Hub, Roccat Swarm, Everything, GOG, Epic, Steam, EA Play, Mega, Avast, MalwareBytes, Teams, OneDrive. And I am not even that exceptional, many have way way more there. All running in the background. _lot of them still hammers only 1-2 cores_ Of course the do, for the main loop, but this also is a function of middleware (Unreal Engine, CryEngine, Source, Unity, Godot, FMOD, Wwise) doing this. Even then, I sometimes run Pro Tools, Handbrake, DaVinci, SolidEdge, and aside from the odd game I play (mostly Eve anyway) having good cpu on tap is a good thing for my measly desktop.

[@benjaminlynch9958]

@@necrospencer6587700x is $285 on Amazon right now. And to the OP, the purpose of more cores is for datacenters where the servers are running dozens to hundreds of VM’s and containers, and increasing core counts has a practical benefit of consolidating multiple servers into a single server and reducing total cost of ownership within the datacenter. There’s a reason why mainstream consumer CPU’s haven’t gone past 16 cores, and the ‘best’ gaming CPU’s are still just 8 cores with a lot of cache. These 32 core CCD’s are almost certainly the cloud optimized variants (lower clock speed, but many more cores) and we won’t be seeing anything like that in desktop or laptop form factors.

[@lolmao500]

Thats why next gen consoles need to have zen 6 with MORE cores so that games are forced to use more cores becaus consoles have more cores. Its all about the consoles. Thats why games arent using more than 8 cores... because consoles have 8 cores.

[@stas1983ss]

Who cares about du..b games. Nobody cares about clock speed. Everybody cares about efficiency. And more cores bring it. I utilize all cores 100%. And hope new Zen will increase core count and not care about stu…id games and clock speed

[@nallwhite4146]

When are we getting four-way SMT???

[@nossy232323]

Let's hope not for desktop. Works better for server loads.

[@lexpopalex]

Probably never. It seems that the industry goes more in the hybrid direction, without smt. For example 4 big/really fast singlethreading-cores and 12 tiny/slower singlethreading-cores. Maybe Zen6-Ryzen will be 8xZen6 + 16xZen6c ...

[@lolmao500]

Meanwhile intel is killing hyperthreading

[@ChristianHowell]

Sounds about right.. AMD talked about a 256C EPYC years back... I was wondering if they would increase to 32C for Zen5C or just stick with 128C with higher IPC and clocks... It looks like the Genoa successor will get 16C at 4nm... They can differentiate by keeping the 32MB L3 where 5C would stay at 16MB with the same shrink... But I do see Genoa's successor doubling to 192C... That could easily see MI400A have 48C with any advances from CDNA4 (I think up to 400CUs)... Anyway, they just have such flexibility with chiplets and cIODs it's fun to speculate... A lot will also be about maintaining the layouts which is currently 12CCDs for Cloud HPC chips and 8CCDs for Cloud Web servers... They could move to a 12CCD layout for Turin Dense which would also move to 192C... No one is even close to that so they can wait for Zen6 and perhaps 2nm to move to the 32C CCD... That will require a cache redesign though I still believe L3 can be removed from the die using VCache stacks... That would make for an even more flexible chiplet design base letting them cram more logic into the dies and design stacks with L3 and\or HBM...

[@LinouGertz]

Would be nice if they at least upped their core count to 24c for combined gaming and video editing purposes. But I guess 16 is pretty useful to.

[@kaseyboles30]

One thing odd about the zen lineups. They have the i/o die and various configurations of ccd's. Either two on one side, or four on each side or 6 on each side. Where is two on each side? Do the two each side a hedt, two on each side as workstations, and six on each side for server. Hedt should be more pcie than regular desktop and workstation more and server many more. say 32,64,128,256? optimistically, or 28,36 64,128 more realistically, or 28,32,64,128.

[@Gindi4711]

AMD will need a 16 core CCD for the X3D variants. 8ncores are fine for current games, but Zen6 will be a CPU sold during 2026-2028 that needs to handle games released in 2023 or longer. Also I am pretty sure AMD will bring a 32 core variant if Intel comes with ARL refresh 8+32 (E cores are expected to be much stronger than now). Also Zen4 cores are currently very small. More than half if the CCD is used for L3 (that does not scale with N3 at all) and stuff like infinity links. If AMD brings a 16 core CCD this does not make it twice as big. Temps can be an issue if all 16 cores are under full load, but AMD could simply reduce boost clocks under all core workloads.

[@hinchlikescake7592]

Going to skip Zen 4/5 and to go directly to Zen 6. Hopefully will be DDR6 too by then. Would skipped a few major technologies in the process lol.

[@braindead2813]

I'm sorry, are we skipping zen5?

[@Kneedragon1962]

Quote "Hot Chips 2024 will be held as a hybrid conference with in-person attendance at Memorial Auditorium, Stanford University from August 25 to 27, 2024." So, first obvious implication, Zen 5 is going to be announced at Computex, but we're not going to GET it before the end of August '24. Or do you mean they're going to release it but only give us detailed information about it (like architectural improvements and changes) once it has been in the shops for 2 or 3 months? I vaguely recall AMD has done stuff like that in the past ~

[@benjaminlynch9958]

I wouldn’t read anything into AMD’s presence at Hot Chips. They, like all the other semiconductor companies, go every year, and AMD has historically not aligned their product release cadence with the Hot Chips conference. We will undoubtedly get a lot more details on the architecture (including white papers that are pretty much only useful for people working in the industry) because that’s what this conference is all about, but there’s also a good chance they’ll be discussing RDNA 4 and their next AI chips based around CDNA. And that’s to say nothing of Xilinx, future Xbox/Playstation chips, and R&D efforts that will come to market post-Zen5. In short, don’t read anything into it quite yet.

[@Kneedragon1962]

@@benjaminlynch9958 ~ ok, sounds fair.

[@WOTM8]

It's super awesome to have that many cores!! GO AMD!!! I also hope the IPC is increased significantly because that's what actually matter for games.. and I do productivity and gaming :D

[@adamp2050]

ill probably keep my 5900x until dd6

[@davidaustin5622]

Can't wait to play Minecraft on 32 cores.

[@fedjapetrovich2408]

Amd should release x3d cpus first and not last, I hate waiting extra 3 months for them

[@lolmao500]

3 months lol. More like 9 months Zen5 x3d isnt coming out until at least march 25.

[@donw4889]

amd maybe doing away with multi-thread as well, just using extra core like intel doing. Intel ran into a problem with the threading, I guess that amd run into the same issue.

[@fedjapetrovich2408]

Nooooo, they will be released latest just after CES *fingers crossed*

[@crazyglaxy909]

no zen 6 wont change anything 😢. plz i just want to buy zen 5.

[@beardoe6874]

I'm waiting for AMD to do big/little. If they do a 40 or 48 core Zen 6 chip in a desktop platform with suitable memory bandwidth and PCIE lanes, that will be a great low end server platform as well as a good PC.

[@lolmao500]

It will do good for PC if consoles come out with like 24 cores. That would force developpers to use more cores.

[@mrhills8868]

Yeah yeah zen6 is cool, but what we're really interested is zen8 x3d coming out in 2030, how's that going to be? Fast? Hell yeah I bet! Zen8 early benchmarks when?!

[@lolmao500]

Apparently Zen 6 is coming out end of 2025 so not that far off.

[@gytis321s2]

How its ground breaking... its not even ARM CPU. Its going to draw enormous amount of power and be a heater for winter...

[@evers6214]

So there is a rumor that more cores are “possible”. So when are we going to get confirmation that it would in fact be “possible”??

[@nossy232323]

Well, it's "interesting". Like Zen 5 could be 10-15% faster or 40%. LOL, seriously this guy is all over the place and doesn't know sshhhhiiittt.

[@lolmao500]

Zen 6 isnt finished yet... so it will depend how it does in tests... which wont end until early 2025-mid 2025... so we wont know for sure until probably like august 2025.

[@aladdin8623]

Any news about rdna4? Come on amd. Catch up finally with slowntel and ngreedia in raytracing.

[@chrisc2252]

Im waiting for Zen 7 😅😂

[@PatipanWongkleaw]

I want to see title like, Zen 6, pcie lane quadruple.

[@jon-eg6be]

ah yes cannot wait for the "zen sinks"

[@ivavictoria628]

Will Zen 6 be on b650 motherboard?

[@nipa5961]

All rumors and info so far say Zen6 will be on AM5.

[@winnb4968]

@@nipa5961 No Zen 6 is a completely new architecture based on a new motherboard namely AM6, so 2025 AM5 is the last generation for AM5 CPU/Motherboard and in 2026 AM6 is the newest generation with AM6 boards. AM5: 1st generation is Zen 4 = X670E (AMD 600's boards) 2022 2nd generation is Zen 5 = X770E (AMD 700's boards) 2024 AM6: 1st generation is Zen 6 = X870E (AMD 800's boards) 2026 2nd generation is Zen 7 = X970E (AMD 900's boards). 2028 Zen 8 = AM7 = 2030

[@winnb4968]

Nah, it will be B750/X770E motherboard for Zen 6. Just like Zen 5 will be on B650/X670E motherboard.

[@nipa5961]

@@winnb4968 source?

[@nipa5961]

@@winnb4968 you make no sense. AM6 "B750/X770E motherboard for Zen 6." but "AM5: 2nd generation is Zen 5 = X770E (AMD 700's boards) 2024" ?

[@mikebruzzone9570]

mb

[@Tont_Domain]

First!

[@SomeTechGuy666]

It's about time that AMD upped the core count in Ryzen processors. Way past, actually.

[@nipa5961]

16 cores not enough?

[@SomeTechGuy666]

@@nipa5961 32 and 4 memory channels would be better.

[@dex6316]

@@nipa596116 cores has been on the consumer platform since 2019, and for the people who actually need 16 cores they want more multi-threading anyways. I want AMD to increase cote counts because I want cheaper 8 cores. At this point I think R3 6C, R5 8C, R7 12C, and R9 16C and 24C for consumer Zen 5 is reasonable, but AMD won’t be doing that for money purposes.

[@corzabourne2101]

Multiple ccds are gross