Zenless Zeon Zero VS Wuthering Waves?

[@imtenten1010]

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[@Lore_no2020]

Blasphemous Title

[@Gheniel_]

Bro is basically asking to revive the conflict between zzz and wuwa fandom, thats foul work bro no one wants this to happen again 💀

[@dtariushale2511]

Fr the ZZZ community is like the only hoyo community with a lil maturity and isn't frothing at the mouth hating on gacha games they don't play. A lot of people play WuWa and ZZZ. They both give a different unique experience.

[@asteriskonline3494]

​@@dtariushale2511 they evolve backwards. Give it a year and they will become Genshin 3.0, with HSR being 2.0

[@fennecnation138]

No need to have a conflict, zenless is asscheeks, don't even have to recognize it's existance. Imagine making an instance based game instead of open world in the universe where games like warframe exist.

[@fennecnation138]

No need to have a conflict, zenless is garbage. Don't even have to recognize it's existance. Imagine making an instance based game in the world where warframe exists lmao Literally only hoyo sheep play zzz.

[@broccoli5176]

@@fennecnation138 Oh, finally a real Wuwa fan. Can't live a day without shitting on other games.

[@randomdudeinindonesia9831]

Both community cant escape from these youtuber who keep making this kind of video title

[@dtariushale2511]

True they make our communities worse by fueling hate towards each other for profit. Hmmm? 🤔 Sounds kinda like politicians huh. Making money by spreading division. These CC's & Influencers online are becoming a new kind of oligarchy accept instead of just divide and conquer its divide and profit🤑....

[@ChiriKain]

short answer yes. long one is they are very different games, wuwa is open world exploration like genshin while zzz is somewhat similar to honkai impact. character wise zzz is better, story too, combat wise both are good. also im playing zzz, wuwa, starrail, hi3 and 2 accounts of genshin, all f2p.

[@sdsdsaasdsadasdasd]

cap lol

[@MechaMeister]

none of zzz story better than 1.1 or 1.3 ww

[@broccoli5176]

@@MechaMeister If you don't have a brain, sure. Keep enjoying Wuwa's pointless storylines, just because the developer threw dust in your eyes.

[@188Karma]

​@@broccoli5176there's not a single story that even comes close to wuwa past 1.0. ZZZs best quest doesn't even come close to wuwas companion quests or filler quests.

[@188Karma]

Not cinematic wise, their pacing is worse and have TONS of endless yapping like any other hoyo game, and their story itself is also inferior.

[@raydough874]

They recently introduced modes that doesnt have time limits but enemies can 2 shot you. The future looks promising for hardcore players.

[@SSABIRR-69]

Why do I think those modes were added to sell units like Caeser with sustain capabilities 🤔

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

@@SSABIRR-69 Sure, but it's a really fun mode regardless. If nothing else, i think this is actually MORE FUN if you don't cheese it with Caesar. And unlike modes with a DPS check, literally any team can beat this as long as you can dodge and parry properly.

[@WagonTHEGOAT]

@@SSABIRR-69maybe, but idrc cause not everyone is gonna be using Caesar regardless. Boss got harder and that’s all I care about

[@justjuniorjaw]

@@SSABIRR-69 Not really, dodging is similar to WuWa where you can overcome it with a well timed button press.

[@Aneuo]

But how much hours would I need to put into that game to get that when wuwa gives that earlier

[@NouzenGaming]

When hoyo advertise ZZZ as a combat focus game then proceeds to slap you the TVs for the first 2 hours. Nah sh*t I'm out

[@imtenten1010]

@@NouzenGaming ok this one actually describe it hella well

[@nawu2024]

Fr fr.. they ad it as Roguelike but needs HOURS of TV puzzles back then is just no fkn thanks..

[@MYWanCh]

Thats me at 1.0 😂😂😂 playing back on 1.1 for jane doe and until now 😊

[@invarkul7831]

Hoyo advertise ZZZ as a combat focus game and then proceeds to make the most easy braindead combat imaginable. ZZZ is the sound I make when playing this game

[@derb1809]

Look how they advertised Natlan too. Devs Baited them so hard

[@ShadowSausage]

1010 hairline situation is INSASE (BIG DRAMA, GONE WRONG)

[@Taz-111]

The more 50\50 he lost the more his hairline resides.

[@RozeSann]

ok so ur review is just straight up wrong, u seem to barely have any time put into zzz, prob not reached the edngame or even close to, u hvnt fought any of the hard bosses and just done story mostly, u havent explored more team comps and u just say that dps stun support is boring and its the main team idea but its just not there is other types of teams, i feel like comparing a game u have like 20 hrs on and agame u have like 200 hrs on is just not fair, as for the pull amounts, both games r pretty much same amount of pulls, u can find online how many pulls a patch gives u, the only difference is wuwa has 100% weapon banner, this video to me rly seems like rage bait rn, i refuse to believe a person that thinks properly goes n compares a game that he has 20 hrs and has seen like 20% of the total game to a game he has seen 110% of the content in

[@RozeSann]

Just gonna clear this out, i love both zzz n wuwa, i am IK 55 in zzz and union 72 in wuwa, both games have their ups n downs, but this review is just straight up awful, the way ur describing zzz is not at all how the game is once u properly get into it, also the way u reviewed zzz is the same way some1 would review wuwa w this many hours

[@RozeSann]

Ok i was early in to the vid, but u have tried shiyu, tho u have done like the super early stages, ofc those will be easy, they r introducing u the mode, zzz endgame is easily better, even if u dont like timed content, there is a whole shiyu defense where the bosses just deal a lot of dmg and there is no timer + if u really just play shiyu later on by pressing spacebar each yellow flash u will get messed up hard

[@RozeSann]

I think the endgame in wuwa is non existent, TOA feels awful, very buggy, have had multiple times where enemies just ran of and werent attacking etc and holograms are decent, half of them r boring and tedious like axis, inferno rider, heron cuz they just waste time/have infinete meteors/eruptions to where u can barely play ur team properly, tho memphis, crownless, monkey, those r p good

[@HardymanK]

It's WuWa content. The games content basically revolves around just pumping and lavishing praise on Kuro Games and trying to diminish other contemporary gacha games on rinse/repeat almost as if the idea is that if WuWa can't become the #1 popular gacha game in the world than nothing else can and it's CC's will just continue to play it off like it actually is until people just eventually believe it or something. Nothing else to see here with this game at this point, it's just a fucking sham that relies on trying to diminish other gacha games and their communities in order to try to prop itself up.

[@istellx]

so 1) there is blitz mode with removed tv completly in hollow zero 2) there are two endgame modes one of them is not dps check 3) 1.1 and 1.2 patch does not have tv in the story its only in 1.0(which devs said will be reworked as well)

[@rizvirahat3930]

when it will be reworked ? i quit at the begining , if its true might give another try

[@feyandhisstuff9888]

But before you unlock this Blitz mode you have to run +6 or +9 (dont really remember) regular central hollow zero with ninevia

[@stiixxed]

Sure, still worse game than wuwa.

[@ZkullShot]

Real question though, I'm thinking about giving ZZZ a second chance, and it's been months so I do really hope devs have given out awesome patches, what is your experience with the current ZZZ?

[@blueberry7478]

1.2 no tv yeaaaaah! I will comback. I love hard fight games: like PGR, AG, HI, WUWA and now this one ❤

[@joshuag8]

When was this video made

[@Terra028C]

Unfortunately, this video is already outdated and does not properly represent the current state of Zenless Zone Zero. TVs have been addressed and will continue to be addressed in the future. Proof of this is in the latest patch where TV modes have been reduced or removed, such as story and in hollow zero, and the developer themselves had a sit-down highlighting their already implemented changes and upcoming changes to the TV system. You also mentioned Shiyu's defense's "flaw" in that it is only a damage rush game mode, however they have added other tiers to it that where it is not only a damage check but also tests your ability to stay alive. More specifically, to earn max rewards, the goal is to have no "downed" characters, instead of completely the battle within a certain time. I'm assuming this video was recorded before the latest patch, that was released a week or so ago.

[@peacekeeperjfsr]

People need to give this game a chance they've made this game so fun now

[@StrongestHumanAlive]

Bro's walking down the Tectone path and I hate it. I thought he finally picked one game after leaving Genshin and here he is creating drama again. Not happy about it Also, i swear to God i cringe so hard at people who compare games based on how many 5 stars they have in it. Like, am i supposed to love Final Fantasy Brave Exvius now? Because I have C6 characters in it and I'm F2P

[@HardymanK]

Probably not cause it's not from glorious Kuro Games Ltd.

[@broccoli5176]

@@HardymanK It's so funny, kurotards have created a cult out of the game and the developers. They are literally more braindead than Genshin players.

[@hrcd21]

lol yeah, watching this video and a lot of his comments about ZZZ is not accurate He doesn't know a thing about ZZZ but making a video and he feels like an expert He did this just to farm engagement from Wuwa and ZZZ players.

[@DG-mk2nr]

Bro knows how to bait engagement with video titles lmao

[@ketansingh5220]

Battle in zzz feels more hardcore than wuwa , and lore good too so zzz better for me

[@christophealexander3262]

Lol😂 hope this is a troll

[@maymeoo21]

Everytime others compare GI vs Wuwa remind me of Destiny vs Warframe..How strikingly similar wuwa and warframe situation compare to tyrant in their genre

[@MechaMeister]

there's more diablo vs poe, wow vs ff14, pubg vs fortnite, dota vs lol, cod vs battlefield etc for gacha boomer fgo vs gbf

[@gamefanaddict6313]

For the End game TOA content I think that it was supposed to do. the DPS check its a reward for players grinding and seeing their characters become strong and beat the End game content. its a time beating mode so ofc you need to ready your DPS to clear it in specific time and I don't know what do you want them to do. if you want to parry and dodge there's a separate end game mode which is hologram.

[@Senko1800]

Exactly what i thought. And even in hologram there's a timer . Idk why he has an issue with timers tho . That's the point of the game , you get strong to kill strong things .

[@sirbeary5942]

Wuwa is better from a combat standpoint But I have to point this review and your points are already outdated(like TV being removed in story and hollow zero) also one complaint about ZZZ making dodging easier with the yellow flashes then perry can be removed. Like in hollow zero blitz where you able to use difficulty modifiers, one of them is to just remove those flashes it almost instantly makes things harder, more skill based now, and more fun to fight/play. Plus with future updates that's coming in 1.4 id say combat wise and end game wise the game is only gonna improve. for now tho Yeah wuwa better when it comes to combat.

[@rawr4235]

blud cant produce anymore WuWa related content and now proceeds to jump on the drama train because its where the clicks & views, lmao

[@mainee7052]

And he talks to much.

[@nickh4354]

I like both 😲 💀 ☠️ 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@b-l1969]

You must have lack of imagination if you don't like the TV segments. I think its the coolest thing about the game.

[@belcomet27]

i think ur point on the scarcity of pull currency in ZZZ in comparison to WuWa is misguided and, as you mentioned, strongly influenced by you losing the 50/50. Both games are very similar in the pull currency that is available at the start of the game to reach pity on the limited banner - WuWa does have a lead on this due to lower pity, but the difference is not big to the point of ZZZ seeming stingy in comparison. with the examples you used to compare WuWa's situation as well, i think the comparison is also skewed due to WuWa having 'outlier' cases of the free pulls from massive bugs and the free Xiangli Yao. the actual problem i think you have is not that the game is stingy in pulls, but rather that the base characters are lacking in the 'fun' factor for you alongside the existing content. because you dont find your current sol11 team fun, nor do you have an interest in the other 4stars (who tbf are not that fun either in comparison), your biggest 'fun' condition for ZZZ lies in getting jane doe, but then you failed the 50/50. By comparison, i dont think you would feel the same issue if you started WuWa in 1.2 on the changli banner and u grinded to pity but failed 50/50 and think they are suddenly stingy. the difference is that in wuwa, as you said, each character has much more in terms of individual kit, mechanics, and performance - hence more of the 'base' characters already largely fulfill the 'fun' condition. however in ZZZ, this depth in individual kit, mechanics, and performance only seems to be concentrated more on the limited characters such as jane doe and, as you stated, ellen. similarly, the content to grind in WuWa as a beginner for pull currency is the open-world and chest-hunting, which feels incredibly fun and dynamic especially during the initial exploration period. on the other hand, the content to grind in ZZZ as a beginner for pull currency is side-quests which are largely made up of TVs at the start. That's why it feels like ZZZ is stingy, because you feel you put in more effort by having to sit through TVs for rewards which you then perceive to be less. if a new player started ZZZ or WuWa today and had to grind out the pull currency to get to pity on the limited banner while enjoying playing with the base characters they currently have and having fun with both the sidequests/TVs/storyquests of ZZZ and open-world of WuWa, i would imagine their perception on the pull currency income for the new player would be relatively very similar. i personally would go further as to say that i think ZZZ actually has a slightly higher average pull currency income over time, but that is just my current subjective perception. tldr. ZZZ aint that stingy in pulls in comparison to WuWa, u just think that way cos the grind feels harder to get through for u.

[@188Karma]

We got a free 5 star weapon, 3 free standard banner characters (we could even choose what we wanted), free limited banner character, lower pity, guaranteed weapon banner and we get about the same amount of income. In what world is ZZZ and wuwa the same? You can't even blame it on the bugs, because they had the exact same system and rewards minus the free limited banner character during their very first CBT.

[@kfunction]

And the video is already outdated 😂 They have removed TV from the main story. Hollow zero have a blitz mode that doesn't have TV. And Shiyu defense have an ambush node that is not a dps check.

[@HDGuy001]

Uh I played ZZZ yesterday and the TV mode is still in there. Of course I recently returned to ZZZ when Caesar was released and am only on chapter 2.

[@asiankid237]

@@HDGuy001 yeah its a little awkward for players still doing Chapter 3 and below since the TV still exists in Story mode. its just less frequent now that they removed it completely in Hollow Zero

[@NFYT]

@@HDGuy001 they made the decision of removing the TV from the entire story from now on, the beginning still has TVs tho, but once you get past that i BARELY see any TVs now

[@azureknight729]

@@HDGuy001bruh, current content doesnt use the tv system, thats what they are referring to. They are not gonna remove the tv system in already existing content.

[@elinamanansi5508]

they have the chance to remove it completely during beta. I'm not coming back and wasting time on grinding 😂

[@aristidess1190]

Zzz is not a Bad Game at all but comparison is Not Even close, next video

[@ilySoulsy]

😭

[@blueberry7478]

As A PGR and AG fans, my only issue was the TV system. I didn't like it at all (and the parry were to easy making the enemies to predictable) 😢 But I saw a mode where everyting is gard lv and I loved it. Since the tv is gone (accorxing to a comment) i will come back 😎

[@broccoli5176]

When comparing Wuwa can't even overpower ZZZ, you're right. Third-rate open world is too boring.

[@ilySoulsy]

@@broccoli5176 it already did overpower them try again though

[@ilySoulsy]

@@broccoli5176 and your false calling it third rate when it has more success over zzz and that’s a fact

[@royalgames6090]

bro woke up and chose war ☠️☠️☠️ . . . .my honest opinion about zzz is that the game is ass at the beginning and it gets better and better the more you level up but you still have to do all the annoying tv stuff another thing which is honestly a huge downside of the game is the lack of resources, it takes forever to actually build a character, I'm playing the game casually since release and i couldn't even build 2 teams even tho I'm playing anomaly which probably have the easiest characters to build, the lack of resources in zzz is crazy despite both wuwa and zzz were lunched in similar time , i already have 5 teams built in wuwa and i have a ton of resources left while i can't even fully build 2 to 3 teams in zzz the game is so enjoyable after you all the tv nonsense ends and despite its simple combat it's actually really fun to play whoever, I'm a little bit concerned about the future of the game since it doesn't have anything to offer except the fun combat i can see it getting boring really quick cuz all you're doing is fighting the same stuff over and over and over again , every part of the game is fighting the same enemies, hollow zero , shiyu defense, farming drive disc, farming still materials , or the weekly bosses, literally every single thing you do in the game includes fighting the same enemies and i can see that getting boring really quickly overall i think the game did take an over hate train and honestly I'm enjoying it more than genshin i still prefer wuwa over both but that doesn't mean that I'm not having fun with zzz, it's a really good game if you can give it a chance and be patient about the tv system

[@Prodigal450]

Can it even compare to punishing gray raven?

[@devinroi3886]

PGR and Honkai Impact 3rd already had this debate and buried the hatchet years ago. Don't drag PGR back into this mess

[@NouzenGaming]

In terms of difficulty I think PGR is much harder specially the Tower of Babel

[@giantship555]

ZZZ launched in a much better state than PGR and it's already improving a lot. In 1 year it won't even be a debate.

[@Prodigal450]

@@giantship555 and you think pgr will just stay stagnant and not improve? Smh 🤦🏾

[@haruusami1831]

@@giantship555 Love how you see two comment talking about Difficulty then you for some reason drifted to launch state.

[@virrre]

I think you might like the true endgame of ZZZ once you get there. It gets brutal and very hardcore oriented. In the highest difficulty Hollow Zero, among other things, they remove the parry/dodge indicators and a few mistakes can cost your run. You need a plan when picking your resonia, like picking all dodge and assist sets or shield and crit depending on your team synergies. It feels a lot more fleshed out compared to depths of illusive realm where it seldom matters what type of buffs you pick, as long as your echo tiers gets activated. In the other endgame, Shiyu Defense, there is a variant without a time limit and your only objective is to survive and win the fight with 0 deaths for full rewards. Wuwa could definitely use this type of mode as well. As for the TV mode, ZZZ devs have committed to removing them for future story missions and they will retroactively go back and remove them for the old story content you are doing now. It will be for side activities only and I think most players agree that they have some incredibly creative Tv side games that are truly fun.

[@feyandhisstuff9888]

No its not gettring brutal and very hardoce, especially if you have jane doe. Even Jane Doe's shadow boss is not near as agressive as Scar or Aix. Besides 1-2 moves bosses in ZZZ are just a sponges for damage and because game is actually lacking rotations it becomes a cookie clicker you are just (as tenten said) hitting your left click over and over again. For Hollow zero there is a 0 chance to ruin the run if you at least looking at monitor and also you have infinite resets for a fight while in WuWa's roguelike mod if you dead - you dead. I play both games and i like both of them but ZZZ not near as brutal as you trying to say. Again especially if you have Caesar or Jane Doe (or even both).

[@virrre]

​@@feyandhisstuff9888I'm specifically talking about 11/11 mods on Nineveh. I don't think I've heard any other player that has tried both Wuwa's depths at the highest tier and 11/11 Nineveh claim that Wuwa's is harder. Kuro themselves haven't done anything with depths since launch except they removed the "beta" tag in 1.2, it's still unfinished content. Maybe you use the best possible team in Jane Doe and Caesar to beat it in ZZZ, but you must also admit that you can easily beat Wuwa's depths with ANY character (including 4 stars) and the bellborne echo and probably never fail a run ever. I think Wuwa needs another year of dev time before the roguelike mode is up to par both in fun and variety in challenge.

[@feyandhisstuff9888]

@@virrre Yea I got 11/11 Nineveh in a first try in my first 11/11 run with just jane Seth Lucy team. And I was not even close to death. And even if I do game gives infinite resets for a fight so run can’t be ruined as long as you pick at least some buffs on your road to Nineveh. I mean I get your point but it’s not as hard as you think. Hologram bosses are like thousand times harder than 11/11 Nineveh

[@WagonTHEGOAT]

@@feyandhisstuff9888hologram bosses are still easy man, maybe not for a gacha but who cares they are still unbelievably easy

[@virrre]

​@@feyandhisstuff9888All content in Wuwa has infinite retries too, there are no penalties for dying. I thought Hologram bosses would be a challenge when starting out, but since you are allowed full consumable usage you can make it as easy as you like, including reviving, massively boosting damage reduction, crit, elemental damage with 15+ active buffs at once. And if you still can't beat it, there are glitches that insta-kill the bosses by drowning/dragging them out of bounds. The only difficult mode with limitations in Wuwa, is the tower, and it just sucks because it's a DPS check and nothing else.

[@KyHeartWill]

If i have bingo. I was not expecting you to make this kind of video.

[@kalWuWa]

Even if they release more hard modes and etc. It will still gonna be 2-button mashing all over again.

[@Kyle81290]

Zenless did everything that WW tried to do. And TVs are fine.

[@arvandor6820]

I play and enjoy both. Despite all their similarities, they scratch very different itches for me.

[@muhammadsyafiq8882]

No lie i tried playing the game twice, once on launch and once on Jane doe's release and both times i quit because they kept making me do the TV section. Gameplay was good but everything that wasn't gameplay was so painfully boring I couldn't bring myself to play it. I get that they're removing TV sections in the future but I honestly can't even force myself to do the tv sections we have now.

[@nmjdf_ksd23]

If they completely remove TVs i'll play but i get furious whenever i encounter TVs, its so annoying

[@Senko1800]

Idk what the issue is with TOA. Yes you do need damage but also skill so that the boss doesn't kill you easily. I mean the holograms are the same thing : you have a time limit to kill a strong boss that can kill you easily ( although i know holograms are stronger ) . If you say time limit is the issue then i'd assume you don't like holograms either . TOA is just a less hard hologram challenge . This game is about skill yes but also about damage , that's just how games like this work . That's what endgame is : a reason to make your characters strong . And parrying does help since it makes the boss stunned when the stance bar is empty , so u get to finish it faster since it's not moving.

[@KuroiRyuuGaming]

ZZZ was a non starter for me. I don't like it, neither do I like HSR. But like, meh? Peeps just play what they like.

[@Tanaka-q1n]

Did bro's views drop? so, he is making this shitty comparison and making both fandom fight again😂

[@invushab]

pls who is making this comparison

[@ChiriKain]

clickbaiters that want money

[@osxar7188]

play both

[@GenshinKnight1]

I would rather lose my left arm than play Wuwa and I would rather lose my right arm than play Zzz. Basically I would rather lose the ability to play video games than play a bunch of mid.

[@osxar7188]

@@GenshinKnight1 alright, genshin knight 1

[@ZkullShot]

​@@osxar7188lmaoo the irony

[@farysaliliya6455]

i think its a fair take. my no 1 rule is as long as i'm having fun playing whatever game, its all that matters.

[@i_understand_NOTHING_v]

We got TV Simulator before GTA 6

[@rileyfeeman7595]

ZZZ removed the TV system from story as of 1.2 update...still got to deal with it till 1.2 story arcs. hopefully no more TV for rest of story ..

[@LargeBanana]

You know those consecutive parry in ZZZ that automatically happens? In Wuthering Waves against Fallacy of no Return, you need to do this manually against its ora ora punch, it's so fcking cool dude.

[@Kyle81290]

Never seen it happen, he just explodes in 5 seconds

[@LargeBanana]

@@Kyle81290 If you can do Tethys system in overdrive zone in 5 seconds, I will give you my house. But if you can't, you give me your house, cause this shit cap.

[@zeromailss]

Lol no

[@darvader00]

Coca!! I've been playing Genshin, HSR, ZZZ and WuWa.

[@SciFiMangaGamesAnime]

Latest patch kinda murdered TV mode. Some folks are happy, others not so much.

[@Emptiness771]

I don't hate ZZZ; it's a game designed for gamers. This game offers fast, low-effort gameplay, making it perfect for those who are busy with real-life stuff but still want to enjoy video games. However, if you're looking for longer and more in-depth gameplay, you might want to try other games. Also, you can't play both WUWA and ZZZ simultaneously. Instead, consider playing a passive gacha game like HSR or Blue Archive, which feature auto-clear or auto-play options for quick gaming sessions.

[@RAJA_XYLO]

And there is me who is playing Genshin, HSR, WuWa and ZZZ 💀

[@princessochka3690]

Hoyoverse doesn't design their "games" for gamers at all, Hoyo designs them for actual vegetables. Its actually insulting to even call Hoyo products "games", cuz those are just milking farms pretending to be games.

[@BlaD-Arc]

I played ZZZ mainly to try for Ellen luckily I got her which made me play it more. I agree TV got boring because of how abundant it was and for me was kind of immersion breaking in some part. ZZZ isn't bad from my experience outside the TV and again just got lucky. But yeah I do agree in term of investment Wuwa is better atm.

[@abdimo7509]

I just clicked to say no. It's definitely not better than WuWa

[@asteriskonline3494]

Let this topic die

[@imtired8107]

Zeon

[@Kaze02se]

No Xiangling mentioned big sadge

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Right now. In my experience.. ZZZ, it's a much better finished and polished game, much higher quality too. Animations: Cutscenes; ambience and fidelity, is definitely ZZZ. I dont think anyone will debate this, the production level is just better. Gameplay; you're mileage may vary but I personally prefer wuwa gameplay animation, it looks more robust and varied. Gameplay: ZZZ; feels much smoother, much better connected and polished.. But in my opinion, it just lacks dynamic, most of its the same thing, swap, parry, cancel, hit and deal damage and thats really it. Wuwa; Not as good in terms of fluidity, team play connectivity/chain and polish.. but dynamically, its better, cancels, parries, counters feel more satisfying and impactful to nail, timing matters more, execution just feels more valuable. Story: Both are mid, but as far as engagement, quality, pacing, production and polish. ZZZ is better. WuWa might have slightly better depth to its lore right now but other than that, its quite mundane to experience. Characters: ZZZ; Better personality, expression, model quality. Wuwa; personally I prefers Wuwa designs and gameplay but thats really about it. i wouldn't say they're better in terms of design, if we're speaking objectively though. Content/Events: Keep this quick, wuwa feels to me like it has more permanent and better content in general outside of story but in terms of events, it doesn't live with ZZZ, ZZZ is better in terms of events. Music: Debatable, ZZZ overall, neither are my favourite but wuwa has picked up a bit more as patches have rolled through. UI: Dont particularly like either but ZZZ's at least feels more unique and interesting. To end, all said, I personally prefer WuWa and rarely play ZZZ, ZZZ doesn't require as much skill expression or time investment, it's an easier game to recommend to casual gamers in many ways, its not my speed though. Also wuwa just feels and is more rewarding in general imo. Excuse the formatting and grammar, I haven't slept in forever.

[@doommaker4000]

I hate this. This is all AAA game talk about shit that doesn't matter

[@MSanzSH-0]

I agree in some sense. I tried ZZZ but looking at their horrible gacha rates plus the button mashing gameplay, i didn't last more than couple of weeks, where I also hit the exaggerated rng to build characters. Another Genshin with better music

[@TheChoosenOne_CarlW]

Pretty much the cutscene are just Video, while WuWa using Animation real time which show they are pretty much similar in game and save us storage, i think there is only 1 video on 1.3 patch where Rover teleported to "Tethys Deep" and thats it.

[@KyHeartWill]

​​@@MSanzSH-0gacha rate is the only thing I hate about zzz. The gameplay is okay. I never care about the extra puzzle or side quests to do something. Just don't make it annoying. For example, make me go back forward through the entire thing.

[@broccoli5176]

@@MSanzSH-0 Yeah, man. Because you shouldn't play games, you're just a casino addicted clown.

[@danhtvn6334]

Zzz @1.0: a FREE 5* standard picker at 300 pulls. Now at half pass 1.2: still 100 more pulls to reach 300 but f2p only get ~15 standard pulls/version or ~6 version for your "advertise free 5*" :v

[@Mmaniac93]

The devs are in the process of reworking most of the early game, and it does get a lot better in the mid-late game. But on the other hand this is the culmination of Hoyo's greedy manipulative practices.

[@Radetzky.]

bro is saying Wuwa trailer is not there compared to zzz. Okay

[@Radetzky.]

17.17

[@Dooooooor]

I picked up wuwa and zzz at the same time but I dropped wuwa, I like both games but I realized I didn't want to play another open world game because I still play genshin. I like how zzz is more casual and I like the artstyle more than wuwa. I still like watching your wuwa content even though I don't play it anymore.

[@captainp367]

I like both the same honestly I’m very happy abt the updates bringing less tv

[@dimirsleeper]

Acting surprised that a Hoyo game is being stingy, really? lol

[@le4ff144]

nahh, all gacha games sucks at combat peez easy, can be played braindead especially after characters are min maxed. Wuwa has a bit more complexity and character connection but that's all into it still braindead. So in conclusion it's just about the preferred vibe and story if you wanna pick a gacha.

[@ajanilynx]

Wuwa combat isn't braindead, bro

[@MrGoodra17]

​@@ajanilynxmeanwhile Jinshi gameplay be like: ↗️🐲🤮 and repeat

[@mogia3072]

this is what i think... you want chill games go hoyoverse games. you want challenge games go kuro games. two companies are have great games tbf. its only us to choose between the two. but i am not gonna deny that hoyoverse is stingy to F2P. you need to get the free pulls within 2 weeks because that is their banner expiration at most.

[@RichLifeStories]

12:17 This is a fair statement. I stopped playing Genshin when it first releashed because I wanted Diluc. I never was able to receive him after re-rolling many times. I gave up and gave Genshin another try years later. Got Kazuha and I played it for about a year and then left. My main Gacha is Wuthering Waves. ZZZ I made sure I grabbed Ellen because I felt if I didn't then eventually I would drop it. I did drop ZZZ for a bit because The First Descendant became my main game but i'm back on ZZZ now.

[@MechaMeister]

true. i wanted to play hsr but got fucked on multiple rerolled gave up on that game. wasnt going to play zzz long term but end up with ellen joe on 11th pull

[@RichLifeStories]

@@MechaMeister Interesting. I also ended up getting Ellen Joe on the 11th pull as well on 2 accounts.

[@ThGaming69]

Xiangling and now we got XiangLi Yao. hmmm....

[@bef5582]

I play zzz with a few interruptions since launch and still dont have soldier 11, and not reached the 300 standard pull yet. The game is really stingy with pulls and rewards and loves to waste your time, a ture hoyo product. And the quality and power of standards units is not balanced at all. Zzz appeal is the characters but the gameplay is becomes stale fast, not meaningful much combat content, especially at endgame, just dps checks and the same 5 reused enemies and locations.

[@jeetusingh3030]

The answer to the clickbait title is no.

[@ilySoulsy]

Wild title…

[@choochoo3041]

Tbh, ZZZ combat feels simple and does not offer much variety. Sure, Jane Doe has the flashiest animation which feels satisfying to play INITIALLY but her gameplay becomes DULL after times bcs U just LEFT-CLICK the entire time and HOLD-LEFT/Space Bar/Right Click here and there. P.s: Despite being a Genshin hater (due to lazy/stingy devs), I still prefer Genshin combat. Yet, I dont wanna play Genshin bcs there is no skip button and I think it is not worth wasting hrs listening to Natlan chars yapping about their clan history or other nonsense instead of REAL IMPORTANT LORE.

[@George-x2z]

Zenless zone have greatest combat system

[@HazardTone]

For a kindergarten

[@TheBilayer]

Please why you do this video. I play Wuwa and genshin sometimes hsr . I don't play ZZZ. WHY ARE YOU THROWING BOTH GAMES IN A PIT? ZZZ Fans should be Wuwa Fans bestie and Wuwa Fans should be ZZZ Fans bestie ❤ since we love combat. Lets combat against toxic.

[@HardymanK]

I'm convinced WuWa's CC program has mandated that it's CC's do these bait videos in October cause all of a sudden this shit is just everywhere with Wuthering Waves CC's in the past 2 weeks or so even if they've never done this sort of stuff before with it and are just kind of awkwardly struggling ways to push the idea that Wuthering Waves is superior to every other major gacha game out there. It's like all I see about the game virtually anymore are these toxic low quality fanbase war baiting videos. Fuck this game and it's fanbase at this point honestly as someone who is growing increasingly tired of Kuro Games CC's toxic bullshit

[@TheBilayer]

@HardymanK Well, as someone who has played WutheringWaves since day 1, let me ask you this question who started to shit on the game since day 1 just because the optimisation is bad . I do agree that one of the WutheringWaves content creators is to push the agenda out. But the truth is you can't deny that there will be no perfect gacha game for all. I am here asking for peace and hope better for all gamers. Choose love ❤️ and not hate.

[@mainee7052]

Welp views and cc stuffs

[@dimitristakis6396]

Yes. Next video.

[@LV-yt7vl]

Really man? Huh

[@moshinom8522]

Pretty fair video

[@mishkaxp8]

yes and its not even close

[@CrescentTheWolf]

Not even close? The ratings would say otherwise bud not to mention WuWa has devs that actually listen to feedback as opposed to Hoyo selling ya the solutions

[@broccoli5176]

@@CrescentTheWolf No one asked.

[@CrescentTheWolf]

@@broccoli5176 🤡

[@DiogoVKersting]

First of all, if you prefer WuWa, more power to you. It seems there is a big enough market where both games can succeed. Don't let the negativity of other people affect your ability to enjoy your game. However, I'd like to give my two cents, having played both games. One of the games has a gigantic budget, and more experience with very large projects and it shows. In WuWa, the fight against Jué in specific felt really janky. And Wuwa did feel quite button-mashi to me. In fact, because WuWa's combat animations are so short, you need a lot of inputs to keep the combo going. Even in content that is easier, ZZZ feels more "intentful", because it's more like you're stringing animations together than just spamming input buttons. My experience with WuWa was the voice acting and character expressions during the story felt subpar, and the story of ZZZ just felt way more believable, grounded in the world, and interesting to me. I can grant that the Intro/Outro system has quite a bit of depth, but ZZZ has its own form of combat depth as well. Anyways, because both games are quite young, they have ample space to evolve their mechanic complexity as the games are expanded. I know this is controversial inside the WuWa community, but my impression is that the combat mechanics of both games are on par with each other. Anyways, the final nail in the coffin was when I realized, ZZZ tends to have a lot more engaging quality content, while at the same time requiring a lot less "chore homework", than WuWa. At some point I was just completely fed up with WuWa's chores. Once again, this is just my subjective experience, if you like WuWa, I totally respect your opinion.

[@invarkul7831]

You are just like me FR The game LOOKS good and feels good but have next to no substance. I was too willing to give it a chance cuz I liked Jane. My friends told me that the game is VERY generous and I can get Jane easily. After playing till AR 30 and getting 40 pulls at best I realized that it's just another hoyo game in terms of how much they give out. Also no free 5* selector played a big role in why I quit. You described it perfectly. "In gachas we play so we can get cool characters in the future". The thing is I need at least 1 character I care about enough so I can keep playing. I rly wanted either grace or neko to put my resources in and be my 1st investment. Unfortunately I got the dandy doggo. In comparison I got Encore and Verina in wuwa (I don't remember which one of them I choose via selector) and she felt so good I still use her even after getting Yao, Yinlin and Changli. I'm a sucker for deep combat and challenge and wuwa sure as hell delivers on this. My only problem with wuwa is that there's rly very few characters I like. After getting Jiyan there is no one left for me to save for (even future ones like Scar, Geshulin, Evil miku etc)

[@woootskie]

The new Shiyu Defense mode atleast is better than Genshin and WuWa. It is not anymore a DPS check and is just a measure of how good you dodge/abuse i-frames and survive without anyone dying in your team

[@Morbisus]

Lol the tv mode is actually unique compared to just wuwa aka genshit copycat 😂

[@stinky8677]

no tf its not

[@sdsdsaasdsadasdasd]

No. Wuwa is better than garbage ZZZ

[@smashingguy336]

This why hate toxic kuro shield that every other games are bad do u heard preferences my guy

[@soulpolska2046]

This truly proves that a big part of wuthering waves community is a cesspool that consists of degenerate loser neckbeards comparing games without elaborating further and thinking that just by playing their game they are better than the others. Truly pathetic behavior.

[@broccoli5176]

Oh, man. I hope you at least get paid a paycheck for whining under every video like this.

[@amrradwan1055]

different games, when in doubt, wuwa better, zzz does listen too tho, ill give em that

[@GregaryUpton-q3b]

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[@heinlwin3709]

Don’t compare wuwa with ZZZ u should compare with TOF 😂😂 ZZZ nowhere near in terms of everything gameplay event game visual story gettting much better too

[@sandersGG]

Wuthering boss co op event > the dog puzzle game event zzz

[@choochoo3041]

True. The new Boss Coop Event in Wuwa is the best Coop Event I have ever played. Never have I thought I would be died in a COOP Event. The boss atk aggressively and hit hard (some are oneshot atk) forcing me and my teammates to dodge, which is sm fun. U dont see that in all HYV mainstream games of similar genres (Genshin and ZZZ). P.s: I know KURO have the capability to make GREAT COOP or NORMAL EVENTS ever since I got to experience the Mech Dragon Coop Event (around CW patch) or Trailblazer Events (I get to play as the boss "Trailblazer" with so many flashy animation against other bosses) in PGR.

[@GenshinKnight1]

There aren't even clones from the co op bosses in that event. Wuwa players realized that it's too easy and are quitting (myself included). Wuwa EoS before 2.0

[@NFYT]

@@choochoo3041 im sorry but its piss easy in coop, my underleveled lvl 70 xiangli yao was able to beat that event no difficulty, the only "hard" boss was the inferno rider, not because he was hard, but because you were LITERALLY unable to hit him, he leaves bombs on the ground, and you don't have unlimited stamina, so they kill you and you can't focus on doing dmg, other than him even tempest mephis was piss easy, anyone who says this game is a lot harder compared to genshin/ZZZ or whatever is on a hard delusion, yeah, including holograms (i already almost beat every single one of them, the only reason why i didn't beated the lvl 90 ones yet its because i lack the DMG, not because they were too hard or something, i'll give them another shot when i get to lvl 80 on my main DPS or if i get way better echo), i struggled more on hollow zero difficulty 11, because there's more planning to it, a boss hit depletes like half your HP and this game has no healers, that was a struggle

[@sandersGG]

@@GenshinKnight1 the boss co op event is not easy for casuals they die all the time you cant turn your brain off you have to dodge all the bosses attacks

[@choochoo3041]

@@NFYT ​ What are you wafflin' about? I was just merely talking about EVENTS (not ENDGAMES). U came in here to start your irrelevant rant/shilling about your HYV games' endgames and their difficulties (a complete different topic). Did ur HYV daddies allow u to sus their diks yesterday night? or Are you a bozo that dont know how to read??? Btw, something easy for you (u sound like a tryhard) doesnt mean it is easy for everyone else. EVENTS are meant to be BEATABLE and more importantly, FUN. This COOP EVENT from Wuwa does that AMAZINGLY bcs all players from different lvl can participate (above min. lvl requirement), we all help each other to WIN and Enemies are being aggressive that can actually knock out u in one kit forcing players to dodge. P.s: Lastly, I am not stoopid like u to wasting my PRECIOUS time completing Hollow Zero 11. I tried it couple times and I know as long as I get Final Corruption (Gradually depletes chars' HP during exploration and fight) close to Final Stage, which is ridiculous esp in a game that has no HEALER, if I cant cleanse it, I will lose eventually because of a freaking DEBUFF (not HOW STRONG the boss is) and 30min-1hr down the drain. Bozo, U can take that and brag about how diff ZZZ is.

[@jaztinelhed5674]

Yes

[@hikkidol]

it's so crazy that they put xiangling in wuwa

[@castronimussi6050]

I would play zzz if wuwa didn't exist, because zzz is just a downgrade of wuwa

[@xtentiong.f2537]

Tldr for those who have a brain, Yes ZZZ is objectively the better game but you shouldn't care if you enjoy one or the other regardless.

[@LargeBanana]

Lmao "objectively"

[@dtariushale2511]

(tldr: Short answer it's subjective either way but hear me out on my logic for this) I play both(played ZZZ to IK lv 50 btw),and this statement of yours is definitely subjective. Opinions=subjective, concrete facts= objective. Opinions are not facts. ZZZ had an objectively better launch with less bugs that's about the only objective thing you can say(which WuWa has since fixed and continues making better and runs smooth on mobile for me now, so that point is mute). Every other opinion is exactly that subjective opinion. Things like character design (really character aesthetics), story, even gameplay is all based on subjective experience that will always have some sort of underlying bias. Because video games are art and art is subjective you can only be objective on technical things like bugs and gameplay performance. Well I guess you could count f2p friendliness, as in how many rewards are given for players time objective if you track it. But if you're firm in being a stan for your one game you might not wanna base the better game off just that. Short answer is with where both games are currently at the question of which is better is totally subjective.

[@xtentiong.f2537]

@@dtariushale2511 You're almost there, sure whichever one you prefer is up to you like I said, but there's more that we can look at objectively, Like Story for example the way they present it, the quality of the Writing and Characters, they are all objectively better in ZZZ, *BY ALL means* someone can still prefer the shit Writing and Self insert plot with super bland characters but that doesn't mean it's good🤙

[@dtariushale2511]

@@xtentiong.f2537I mean I could also say shit combat that gets boring fast in ZZZ with bosses only being bigger hp sponges for more "challenging" ones. I can say WuWa has objectively more engaging combat and actual game play mechanics(it's a supposed to be a game not just a story). Again you can't base either being better objectively better as a whole when so few things are objective. And your opinion on the story is definitely one of the subjective ones just like mine is. Also wuwa story you have to actually pay attention, I didn't use the skip button. Pacing still needs work but it's not nearly as bad as some of y'all make it out to be. Stop trying to do the superiority thing just enjoy playing what you like. Gacha wars are stupid. Thank you have a lovely day and good luck on your pulls for whatever you like to play✌🏽❤️

[@xtentiong.f2537]

@@dtariushale2511 I Don't mean to be rude here but that's cringe asf bro. Brushing off valid criticism as Subjective cuz you don't agree is insanely stupid but "I respect your opinions" lmfao. You getting bored is a you problem, I refrained from comparing combat because it's entirely Subjective on enjoyment but what became more apparent throughout this is that you don't play the game cuz you'd be well aware that they aren't JUST "Hp sponges for challenge" and I mean seriously Wuwa doesn't have HP sponges in its dogshit endgame ToA?💀 cmon if you're gonna cap Atleast make it believable. Calling zzz "loli bait" when wuwa first New 4star after 5 months since release is a loli more popular than the game itself spare me your bs.

[@palegangsta]

I‘m F2P in both. Got Changli on my 7th pull in WuWa. Got Zhu Yuan on the 50/50 at 89 pulls. I feel like weapons are way more important in WuWa and it takes ages to get to guild rank 60, I‘m 55 right now and will probably reach 60 next week sometime. Tower of Adversity is way harder than Shiyu Defense. I like both. I wish you would have gotten Jane Doe so you could have enjoyed the game more.

[@nawu2024]

The only redeeming quality i can give ZZZ is that.. - A woke gay asses repelant - 50GBs of fanservice Combat is okayge.. has its own flare.. smoother than HI3.. but im not downloading a gacha game thats the size of Half of GTAV

[@Gheniel_]

Lmfao those points are hilarious but factually right.

[@masterdementer]

TV system sucks, I quit in the first hour of release.

[@azuremoon4754]

Zzz better in everyway beside combat

[@NiXcite]

The only thing zzz is better at is jiggle physics, for me ofc.

[@NFYT]

@@maymeoo21 another big fat lie, bro just didn't played the game, i also got soldier 11, i lost my 50/50 on 83 pity (yeah, very hard pity right), and i still got ellen joe going through hard pity again (i think it was 79), and i had like 10 days of spare time, the banner wasn't even close from over, this game's pull income is insane, you just have to play the game, don't blame it on the game, just farm, if you don't want to farm thats okay, but don't go here and there saying that the game gives little pulls or that they're stingy, thats not the case and i experienced it like freaking first handed having the worst luck ever

[@WagonTHEGOAT]

@@maymeoo21uh yeah ZZZ has the shortest dailies and weeklies out of wuwa/hsr/genshin and skippable content. How is that demanding too much time from players?

[@dtariushale2511]

Before WuWa fixed optimization i wouldve said ZZZ ...now that i can actually play it with the full experience since 1.3(no lag ect.) Its definitely WuWa for me(I say for me as with the current state of both games either opinion is subjective. Also overall games are art which is mostly subjective). Now that ive gotten bored with ZZZ's combat and where the game is headed( overly gooner & lolicon bait focused), rather than attracting players with actually good game mechanics, and good character balancing is worrying to me and keeps me from going "all in". However i will give ZZZ its credit, unlike other hoyo games its definitely not AS* greedy, and most importantly its devs are actually listening and responding to its playerbase well which hoyo as a whole isnt known for. This is the sole reason i havent un-installed and will login and collect dailies as i watch where its headed before i go back in(im interknot lv 50 so ive played to endgame in case yall were wondering) For now im kind of loosing interest in it(due to reasons i described above) and going full into wuwa but i hope it improves for its players even more☺️.

[@broccoli5176]

>Now that ive gotten bored with ZZZ's combat and where the game is headed( overly gooner & lolicon bait focused) --- Oh, we will of course pretend that Kuro doesn't do the same thing. Half-naked characters shining their boobs at the screen and loli - certainly “don't” exist in Wuwa.

[@dtariushale2511]

@@broccoli5176 There's two characters that are kids and they aren't sexualized and are dressed appropriately. And it's definitely not as intense gooner bait wise. Look bro idk wtf your problem is but this is just my subjective opinion I'm sharing for why I'm not playing. I'm not forcing it on you. Nor am I saying you shouldn't enjoy it if you like the game. My man go calm down have a drink. Go outside touch grass😌 Getting heated over a subjective opinion on a game is just silly.

[@dtariushale2511]

@@broccoli5176 Also you really gonna tell me gooner wise that WuWa has had anything close to Jane's trailer???😂😂😂

[@BugCatLove]

Yes. Infinitely more polished

[@Gheniel_]

I play both and still get less fps in zzz (same graphic configs for both). The graphics for both are ok.

[@revivemefellas9637]

my gaycha slop is better than your gaycha slop 🤡🤡🤡

[@jaei6680]

Yes.

[@blueberry7478]

🚩🚩🚩 @wutheringwaves Cancel that guy. His is a bad person and try so hard to start a war betwen community. Guys repport him reppirt him 🚩🚩🚩🚩

[@WuWaBeliever]

Is shit better than sex?

[@Pequod_LZ]

if you have diarrhea then maybe

[@ChiriKain]

depends if you asking a german

[@LargeBanana]

Interesting unbiased name

[@broccoli5176]

Didn't know Wuwa is shit. But wuwa fanatic knows better about the quality of his favorite game.

[@unlucky58]

There's already lots of changes. Also koleda is ass SD11 Lucy is enough just dodge stunners in ZZZ is a kinda a damage lost at this point ngl

[@bildenenface7807]

Wuwa is a better game, a better gacha game, has more depth in the combat. But zzz has better gameplay fundamentals and tells the story in a more entertaining way despite the tv mode being so boring, at least it’s not a whole book worth of text like Genshin and Honkai.

[@jianwen414]

more like is Hyoverse better than kuro, WUWA has more to do when theres new area release we had exploration to do, meanwhile ZZZ doesnt

[@broccoli5176]

Yes, because as you know - kurogays love to collect flowers and chests.

[@hanshofer9458]

zZz is for children. Wuwa is for men of culture

[@revivemefellas9637]

wuwa slop fans with the gacha tribalism + dck measuring contest 😂😂😂

[@TheChoosenOne_CarlW]

You are mixing it buddy. ZZZ for degen (m3N oF cuLtuRe), WuWa for gameplay.

[@Gheniel_]

Nah bro, the graphics on zzz are that way to bring nostalgia to old videogame players. Also zzz is kinda gooner with sexual appeal characters like Jane, so... No, their focus audience is definitely not children

[@KyHeartWill]

Pretty sure zzz is made for men of culture.

[@rawr4235]

blud cant even use men of culture properly kekw