How to Make Zenless Zone Zero GREAT! | HexJuice Reacts

Zenless Zone Zero is overhated but DOES deserve the criticism it gets.
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[@riotangel4701]

How can it be "fixed" when the TVs are a core design feature and system? It can't be removed without massive architectural revamp on how they progress the game/story.

[@4stryx]

I do agree that it can't be removed because after all, your MC is a hacker and it's your job to look at TVs. The fix for the TV issue should be replace some of the TV scenario and add the option to control the MC's bangboo as you explore the hollow with the characters. Also less loading screen ._.

[@ceac0159]

They could rework some animations to make it even faster and just rely on them in tye future less

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

It CAN be fixed But will it be?

[@kakashikarlik567]

@@LUCAS420BLZ no but they will surely fix/hide/minimize any hint of adult looking waifu is showing piece of body and that's something this company excels at actually..MORE WAIFU CENSORSHIP. But don't worry there will be plenty of over sexualized lolis xD im sure of that one

[@prestonleebenjamin]

It’s not actually hard at all. The tv stuff can be streamlined to be less flashy/overtly overstimulating by just making the screen shake less and minimizing or smoothing out the frames of the animations - more importantly spending less time or even just allowing skipping of the dialogue. You don’t need to change the system, you just need to make it less nauseous. Combat lvl 35+ looks fine to me, seems like it’s normalized by here - just fix the numbers so the early levels feel around the level of the later levels, just allow the auto revive feature with “casual mode” (it’s already programmed into the game in some missions) so the game still teaches you how to play when you get punished for playing stupidly. I’m on the fence with skipping dialogue entirely because it really is a big part of the immersion in this game, ill just say the entire first 25 levels is so poorly paced, it gives people a terribly poor first impression. Tldr - it’s all a pacing issue (loading screens, character running speed, time gating, unskippable dialogue, and tv screen after tv screen instead of combat) - fix this and it’s actually a pretty fun and enjoyable game, at least imo

[@lunosse9886]

Can, but will Mihoyo fix it like they fixed gensht? oh wait.

[@raychan963]

Sorry Mihoyo is an indie company that it took them 3 years to increase resin to 240 in Genshin. Ples understan

[@Nataninko]

​@@raychan963 Oh leave my billion dollars company alone! How dare you speak ill againts them?? 3 pulls for 3 years is VERY GENEROUS!

[@yumikokowachi7200]

yeah 50gb and yet they use the same stage on battle wtf

[@OkSear]

Im guessing the huge size comes from the audio in the game. But it still should not be so large. I don't know what Hoyo is doing.

[@yumikokowachi7200]

@@OkSear no its not as u can see if u downloaded an MP3 with a length of 3-5mins it only takes 10-11mb and thats a high quality audio mostly ingame music is repeatable and players didnt noticed it bcoz they are busy on the gameplay or story so if we say they have 500 music in there it will roughly take 5.5gb but thats IF they have that much music which i think is not so NO audio + the battle scenes + voice acting will not take 20-30gb thats impossible even if its all language and most likely when u download this game it was default on english only and u have to download the other language that u wanted to listen in so that will add to your 50gb

[@OkSear]

@@yumikokowachi7200 true

[@SunnySzetoSz2000]

@@OkSear no, they got new map unlocks lateron, also every NPC is stand along design, not one the same

[@Kramer8]

Here's what happen, ZZZ will put Stockholm syndrome to their players, people will liked the TV because Hoyo will put more effort to it, like actual well made puzzle TV. Now everyone including Hoyoverse themself will forgot that this game branded as an action game. Is this game marketed towards puzzle or action enjoyer? I have no idea.

[@OkSear]

Stockholm syndrome im dead

[@ThomasAndy-qu8dp]

the game is heavily marketed on its "combat" and the characters being "cool"

[@Otherr-l4n]

Hoyo toxic cult don't care about much...they are used to being treated like crap

[@guillermogerrycabrera7625]

Thumbnail video: ZZZ the Best Gacha Game Ever ?! **red arrows and red circles all over zzz characters* KZbinr: "The tv puzzle is the most innovative mechanic i have seen. The combat? Forget about it. Its about the tv puzzles!"

[@ameliavillamarin2929]

All the gigabytes went towards all the fucking tvs in this game LMAO

[@paradoxwraith5275]

This game could be easily fixed bruh. A fk ton people talked about fixes and possible changes but yk it's mihoyo so they wont listen to sh. Wasted potential.

[@XzMondayNightzX]

"We have betas for the lulz. Us cool alpha gacha devs don't need them."

[@diahprasetianingtyas6822]

Fix the game? Nah. Hoyo doesn't listen. In Genshin they've been deaf for years. If they do, it's only when they're threatened by their own players (mostly if it's CN) or by a competitor.

[@Otherr-l4n]

And the global toxic cult are used to being treated like crap so they don't even let people give constructive criticism.

[@ceac0159]

I think the issue I have with zzz is that with mihoyo's reputation I dont know if they are going to adress the game's issues.

[@OkSear]

Yeah they wont, unless people stop spending.

[@NeDixTV]

x3 tv speed, thats my bet

[@zippo718]

My biggest issue 15 hours in is the combat telling me what to do. I still dunno wtf is going on because whenever I get into a groove all these popups telling me to switch to do mini ults... and before the swap gets going its already forcing me to swap again to the next one... let ME play the game. Another content creator said it best: they basically forced turn-based combat into an action game. Also still cant remember all the menu icons. One more thing, the parry timing in this game actually screws proper timing. If you try to parry when the attack actually hits, it will fail. You need to basically hit the button in preparation of the incoming attack, so its more memorizing the windup than having precise reactions.

[@sirmeowmeow7319]

they need to optimize the game. there's a lot of fps drops on mobile

[@grymns]

What mobile do you use?

[@sirmeowmeow7319]

@@grymns poco f3

[@grymns]

@@sirmeowmeow7319 6gb or 8gb version?

[@grymns]

@@sirmeowmeow7319btw I'm using IQOO Neo 7 and i don't have any fps issue so far

[@boi3248]

​@@sirmeowmeow7319Are your settings high?

[@Otherr-l4n]

Wuthering Waves is a high bar to compete against and the devs are Kuro .... don't need to say much else

[@jasonma4525]

22:47 "they specifically made the parry time to align with human reactions" Holy dented chatter. Average Human reaction time is 0.25s my man

[@DsCrystalEyes]

19:45 I disagree on this part. A lot of these secret tech are frankly for flexing in ZZZ, there's not a lot of skill expression when you can achieve the same effect with the usual input or a different ability entirely. I'd say the secret tech in ZZZ is more Hoyo polish than actual use cases. It's absolutely not worth trading reducing to one ability only for it. I don't know their reasoning, because as of current, their character kits are quite barebones even when compared to the launches other competitor's in the space. That's where the misconception of ZZZ being a "mashy game" comes from. Players are having to attack just to build up meter for their E, of course they feel like they are mashing. 22:40 Isn't this kind of the point of knowledge and skill expression that you know what timing to use on what character and on what attack though? I understand it's difficult, I'm not saying I hit the parry every time it came up like some gamer chad, but sometimes, I'm simply presented with a parry circle that I have to judge, at that moment, if I should parry or not, risk taking a hit vs staggering the boss and stopping a devastating attack. It is an area that I as a player, found that there's room for personal skill and knowledge to involved rather than just press E when I see a yellow flash, and it made me respect the players who can hit those parries much more.

[@raychan963]

In my country, ZZZ in android is rated at 3.2 and iphone at 3.4. But this is MIhoyo so good luck getting this game fixed. I can play Wuwa now on the lowest settings on my phone with the fixes Kuro made while ZZZ is incompatible. What a joke

[@HazardTone]

They still gatekeep players? I though that was fixed and everyone can access it now

[@nyeindelta9290]

​@@HazardTone ZZZ tell players to buy a better phone if they are incompatible with it. They're not fixing shit. And people be saying as if the game have any desire to listen to player lmao

[@Otherr-l4n]

The toxic hoyo cult probably don't care

[@terrormansakata9626]

​@@nyeindelta9290 bro like that's such a crazy response to players for there optimization mistakes lol "get a better device because we're to lazy to make the game work properly" ngl zzz does not have a bright future especially with that 30 polychrome tweet they made lmao how is that a reward for reaching a milestone 1/5 of a pull lol.

[@terrormansakata9626]

​@@nyeindelta9290and I think that's a crazy response to criticism "get a better device because were to lazy to fix it even though that's what we're paid to do".

[@OofieTV]

I think a lot of people also equate “mid” to “bad” when in reality mid literally means “average” so everyone saying “mid” is not outright saying zzz is bad but that it’s just okay

[@hexjuice]

mid = MIDDLE

[@traplegend5065]

It feels like the easiest to "fix" if they want. Like the base, animations and music is amazing, its just gameplay changes

[@redfoxakame]

I actually love that in WuWa, different characters parry differently. It adds more "difficulty" in the game and I appreciate that they made it so that characters are different from each other. I find it fascinating that some characters parry more easily than others that you constantly adjust. I don't mind practicing parrying with each characters since I love it anyway. I love the feeling of being able to do parry in WuWa. I was so bad at it but spending sooo much time learning how to parry consistently was so worth it! Even tho I'm _still_ not very good at it lmao! It has a different satisfaction than Zzz's parry system. In Zzz, parrying only feels good to me bc of the sound. It's not as complex nor rewarding (for me), but it still feels good! And I don't have to practice it! XD

[@Kazuk1787]

I agree with this. It gives me more reason to really learn characters in WuWa. Plus you aren't forced to parry if you don't want to. Dodging is still an option. I dodge some parryable attacks that I feel I can't time right.

[@Funkloned]

My problem with the combat is not the enemies, you can put more enemies, make them more agresive, give them more dmg, health, etc. as you progress, what I find lacking is the character/agents kit. Im not talking about adding 100 combos like tekken, but give me more things to do per character instead of forcing me to rotate between them all the time like a ferris wheel. It frustrates me because there is quality here and a lot of potential.

[@kuuhakudesu]

Honestly, same. I don't mind much how the enemies work (though I'd prefer they'd be more aggressive and an actual threat), but I do mind how characters beat the shit out of them. Attacks don't seem impactful enough, everything feels so lightweight and combat is so unrewarding. I really prefer the combat in Genshin and WuWa where, while slower and less flashy, there's always the moment where you combo hits dealing big damage and it feels SO GOOD, man. I just can't get this feeling from ZZZ, at least not yet.

[@cussss]

forced switch and ultimate not feeling like ultimate is what killing this game for me

[@rz3264]

​@@cussssAlso the ultimate animation has the same Attack animation as Switch attack except the character close-up scene. 😅

[@sixxasa]

Lumina Square for me also very laggy too! Is anyone else having the same problem?

[@GleamEyesGaming]

Then again, it's a hoyo game...good luck with those problems getting fixed. Hoyo is notorious to not listen to community though they ask for feedback but don't listen to any of it unless they feel threatened by other gaming companies as competitors.

[@alexcyw89]

I disagree that people hate on the game because its HOYO, i feel like people hate on the game because they have higher expectation on HOYO, and secondly they advertise the game as really good combat, and other advertise that doesnt meet expectation like 180 summon free, and people didnt expect lots of TV for the first 30 hours due to advertising. I think the advertising also set it for really high expectation which it did not met which is MID, not good, not the worse either.

[@NeDixTV]

"I disagree that people hate on the game because its HOYO", the hoyo hate is real, but not because is hoyo and being famous, its because their "games" as a whole are overrated just because of production value and trailers.

[@ThomasAndy-qu8dp]

the advertisment is also very intrusive. I've rarely see so much ads and sponsors for a game release let alone a gacha. And the sponsors ESPECIALLY make a big deal out of the combat. It's very misleading.

[@terrormansakata9626]

Like mihoyo has almost 10 years of experience making games there is no excuse for zzz to come out in this staye especially for the abysmal state the game is in on mobile as of right now the game isn't bad but it's not as good as it should be for how much money mihoyo makes every month people aren't hating it's just harsh criticism because the players deserve a much better game for how much experience mihoyo has with games in 3 different genres.

[@johnsmithparaggua849]

Let's be honest with the "fighting game" comparisons. The only reason it's even in the conversation is because of the street fighter post. The game itself has nothing to do with fighting games. Stop it.

[@grymns]

My problem with that combat isn't that it's too easy, it's uninteresting and the bosses feels like just a bullet sponge

[@OkSear]

Looks like we are playing 2 different games then. Im having trouble with some bosses on account level 30+

[@astellas4856]

The problem that this game is just a MID is that this is the fourth simultaneously supported Hoyo game and in 5 years they have released 3 gacha games, starting with genshin which gave them such popularity. People don't expect a game to be just "ok" when this game is just another Hoyo manipulation "we'll add the things you asked for in the game to a NEW game and either you play it or look with envy at the things we add there" . There is no need to pretend that the developers of genshin are separate from the main company, this is just the CEO’s decision to focus on HSR so much and to create a monopoly on the market, push your brand into every genre, only then don’t be surprised when, after all these resources, problems with the company and complete disrespect to your community, people swear that your game is just mediocre

[@seb3661]

play wuwa andd genshin and you will see how mid every game is

[@FledgedPhoenix]

​@@seb3661Wu wa and every Hoyoverse game is mid.

[@a_normal_player1800]

​@@seb3661 now that's just overkill

[@HazardTone]

​@@seb3661I play PGR and every game besides PGR is mid.

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

​@@HazardToneI agree Pgr is amazing and anyone who doesn't praise it doesn't have rights

[@darmansbar7900]

24:00 I don't get the take that diffrent pgs having diffrent timing is bad I actually belive that it gives every player an investment in learning the unit and how their animations work

[@redfoxakame]

The one thing I noticed about Zzz's boss mechanics, to make them "hard," they give them moves that you have no choice but to get away from or run like you have no choice. For example, the spinning attack of the machine truck- something, reminded me of the spinning attack of Ruin Guards in Genshin. They make them annoying instead of hard lol. In other games, every boss move is either dodge-able or parry-able - something else other than having to run away. When you give a quiz, there should be an answer other than to make people ignore the quiz. That, for me, is stupid.

[@zippo718]

The TVs have more variety later on like an actual puzzle game. They just need to be shorter.

[@Annoyer999]

The speed up actually makes a huge difference but the problem is it automatically turns off every time you go into a battle and automatically turns off between stages 😂

[@ccea_3050]

Reducing the health of those mobs to 1/3 and increasing their damage and aggression 5x would make the combat much much better. Now those mobs barely scratch me, it feels like I'm fighting with training ground dummies.

[@Mann42]

Meanwhile I'm just over here enjoying the game.

[@LordOhmes]

Same here, it's unique and new. I enjoy the game play very much. It's not the best thing ever, but I'm genuinely having fun with it.

[@misagamii]

same! if they make positive changes, awesome. i can't stop wanting to play ZZZ, thinking about it and the characters, i adore the world and the look/feel of the combat. bosses when you get to harder Defense floors or the weekly challenges are actually HARD and i've come close to full team wipes in some really engaging fights! the TV mode reminds me of the board game system that Madoka Magica Online used WAY back when. i do understand criticisms, but i think a lot of people are hating to hate ngl.

[@DKill757]

game is fun when you don’t have a bat yelling in your ear that’s it’s not

[@ypykapbl4482]

Db Ult system is PtW dog sht, they should delete this piece of poo and steal new rank system from Wuwa's Illusive Realm which give us 30%crit 30%CritDMG 30%DMG for SS rank. I finished all standart Shiuy Defense stages. 10's Stage piss me off so much, coz ult dps check ptw system not allowed you to complete this stage with crap DPS characters like S0 Anton/KIDO/Corin, you need at least S3 Ellen/Soldier 11/Grace for smooth run without no hit rng perfect dodge run's (coz dps CHECKING ULT phase- fuck y so hard) - this is real time bomb, that will detonate when vast majority of skilled player's will meet 10 Shiuy Defense stage and suck big HoYo stick. PLS ALL PLAYERS GIVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK TO HOYO ABOUT THIS PTW DOG SHT DB ULT SYSTEM! TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE DEVS LISTENED AGAIN! LIKE WE DID IT IN WUWA.

[@Ricky47564ty]

3:00 Zenless Zone Zero rating in Google Play store still consistentlt flops back to 3.1 from launch and still until today due to Optimization Issues.

[@JamesBrown-zu8iv]

Yo, not even GI score currently was 3.8 out of 5 that time. lol

[@Nataninko]

For me on google play store it's at 3.9

[@pravum3150]

You know what will fix the game? Bunny outfits. I want Grace, that ghost maid and Soldier 11 oiled up in a bunny suit.

[@Khann_2102]

😳😳😳

[@shdw200]

Yessir🔥🔥🙏

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

There's like 3 maids Corin Rina Ellen

[@wanabid98]

That gonna make their CEO being stabs

[@hexjuice]

YEAHHHHH

[@OkSear]

Small nitpick from me is that the quick menu kinda sucks because you have to left click to select an item instead of just sliding to it. Every other game does it better.

[@thehotsoup9844]

Fighting games have your opponent forcing you to engage with deeper mechanics unfortunately zzz doesn't, at least at the beginning hopefully later on we get destroyed if you don't engage

[@ScoptOriginal]

I think it can be fixed, but it's so much work at this stage it's probably not worth it

[@bigfootisreal_]

Stioorg's outro is so good.

[@user-nl6rx1yk9n]

4:27 Funny how I deleted HSR instead lmao

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

19:45 this game is nothing like any fighting game I've played Even Naruto ninja storm has combos where you can input your abilities as well as God of war Or hades As an Arpg it's mostly just timing that nets you different moves and since it's hoyo it's focused around team composition to sell you stuff You'll never find yourself thinking about what inputs to press just timing when Aka the same as genshin just prettier

[@Otherr-l4n]

Dendro absolutely destroyed genshin's combat imo now every character must synergize with dendro or they're crap..dendro literally made me quit

[@Cytryz]

@@Otherr-l4n i dont’ even use dendro, what do you mean they must synergize with dendro? I get 36* and max theatre ranking. It’s a good element but not needed other than to activate some specific intractable objects in sumeru.

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

​​@@Cytryz dendro is literally the most powerful element prior was Hydro and Pyro for vape or cryo to trigger melt Dendro literally made the game so much easier to beat because of the insane damage scaling it can do with reactions To disregard the power of it and say you can beat the game without it is even worse, you've basically said the games easy still without it Also I'm talking about fighting games if you own a Ps4 give Naruto ultimate ninja storm a try

[@Otherr-l4n]

@@Cytryz well take electro and hydro as examples except Raiden Ei(C2) and Neuvillette...how many Electro and Hydro units can stand on their own without having dendro in the team... besides elemental shields of enemies just seem to evaporate when dendro is in the team..many future characters will be built around dendro and that's making the characters skills limited imo

[@Cytryz]

@@LUCAS420BLZ Whether it’s wuwa, genshin, tof, gacha games like this are generally chill. They might have 1 or 2 things in the game that’s hard like the high level Holos (which are optional 1 time rewards) but overall they are fairly easy compared to most games i’ve played. Spiral abyss is like 0.1% or less of Genshin impact..which again is clearable with any of the elements as long as the floors don’t specifically counter them that rotation. Which is probably for the best. I wouldn’t want a gacha fighting game tbh. It sucks enough chars are locked behind DLC let alone gacha. Dendro has a good floor, but in exchange it doesn’t have the highest ceiling. So you can get it up and running faster due to needing only really EM and maybe some ER vs an Atk/Pyro/CD(CR) main piece with sufficient Crit/CD, ER substats. Also dendro has a great domain, a 1 stop shop via gilded dreams and deepwood even if not always ideal they are more than acceptable on all the units beyond maybe nilou. So again very accessible and easy to build. Also if you just invest in one element or a handful of chars you were always setting yourself up for failure as many players have found out despite being warned with the introduction of imaginarium theater. So even if Dendro was the most busted thing, it’s busted until content drops where it’s not. At least from my observation in these kinds of games. Meta is played to have the easiest and fastest clears. I don’t usually see people gush over comps that are more technical or difficult to play/ or present difficult gameplay due to not being optimal.

[@eir3831]

just sharing facts here, the parry system wasn't there until last testing.

[@Vezenta]

Instead of letting us run around as the other characters, how about when you pull 5* chars you get an outfit for Wise/belle to use in the overworld that is based around that char's outfit. This could get players to roll for units they may not want but want the outfits for the proxy.

[@guillermogerrycabrera7625]

Ooh this is a nice idea

[@bakad5458]

hoyo would never do something as cool as that 😂

[@absolutelyabsolute4671]

Didn't they criticize the TVs in the Beta? I'm quite surprised Hoyo still retained it.

[@AzureResonance66]

nothing new tbh if you've been in the circle long enough. But basically not surprised because hoyo is generally really stubborn about their game idea, even if its really bad and should either be cut or toned down, they will rarely make any changes (Genshin Impact ex). If any case, they will probs just go "Sure! we listened and we toned down the TVs needed" and proceeds to not even do a change and then gets praised for a change that they supposedly did, but didn't.

[@hexjuice]

part of the problem is that the TVs are important to the story/lore, so it’s awkward to remove they should’ve done it anyways, but i don’t think they could’ve taken them out 100%

[@absolutelyabsolute4671]

@@hexjuice hm... I see

[@terrormansakata9626]

​@@hexjuice the crazy part is first cbt was 2 years ago I'm pretty sure and people have hated the tvs since then so not only did mihoyo have 3 cbts to switch up the tvs they also had 2 whole years lmao honestly this does not make he hopeful for this game like hsr is doing well but zzz doesn't have honkai in the name so very low expectations.

[@marcuskane1040]

@@hexjuice Are they tho? Noone else in the world uses such old TV's. You don't need them to enter the Hollow like in Persona 4. MC connects to his bangboo through a modern PC and sees everything through Eous' eyes. I couldn't find a single important thing about TV's besides that we live in a Video tape store - aspect of the story that was completely ignored btw.

[@ixirion]

this game is developwed by Hoyo psi devision. - It has great animations, VA etc but its overly flashy and goofy. - It has ok combat but you do combat 1/20 of the time - it has ok rewards but you 1/20 of a wish cklicking around - it have great looking characters but also sexulizes teens that look 14 to a ridiculs degree -it has some good female characters but apart from Wise all males are incompetent or doormats or cowards. - it has ok story but its full of timewasters. today I had a quest that forced me for 10 min to go speajk with children that sing in choir. the reason was that I have to steal a key from pricnipal that I need to go to school... that was most pointles boring skippable experience ever. the idea is love hate abusive relation that you tollerate till they milk you lets be honest the game is 5/10. you dont enjoy 70% of the game. However thats ok cos for example HSR is the same. you play 10% of the game /the rest is auto/ and you are there for the gacha/visuals/story. The prettier the cahrater on the screen is the more ok you are spending money to torture yourself. Personally the best way to enjoy Hoyo games is to play them once per y for 1 month -you enjoy the story. do some pulls and delete.

[@goshujinsama9048]

i tried it until lvl 30,had 13 accounts to reroll and all i got was grace and koleda duplicates on all of them so no, for me the game can't be fixed and the hoyo trash launcher got uninstalled on top of all the stupid tv shit.

[@umbralflow6883]

I think the map should be about the same size as honkai star rails, that way they can use that map for the story in stead of the TV. The TV can be used as a puzzle mech to open boxes and doors and stuff. The force switch I can do without. I think thats about it.

[@Sync0102]

KURO SAVE US

[@thexp905]

With the comment about adding more enemies to the casual mode, he is right. If you're already basically invincible with a few trash mobs, tossing more into the small room would cause you to naturally have to engage with more of the mechanics, (dodging, parrying, ect.) Whilst keeping them easy to deal with still. It would require some balancing, as everything would, but it could improve the flow state in combat.

[@MikeBotGaming]

Was waiting for ur upload 😂

[@thexp905]

The "It's like a fighting game, it doesn't need a lot of buttons" is only true, if it IS a fighting game. Let's not forget, classic arcade fighters have 6-7 buttons. Light, Medium, and Heavy punches. Then the same for kicks. Then you can combo different strings into one another. Even console fighters still have 3 buttons for different attacks, then a switch input, or some special meter that can be activated at the push of another button. So only needing 4 buttons total, is not a lot.

[@davidweaver4436]

I never much considered the optimization an issue... until I was on my phone. Game literally froze up/crashed three times in the span of like 10 minutes. Just about flawless on my PC, but locked up on my phone. And yeah, I agree with the parrying. WuWa feels weirdly inconsistent and like there's something I'm missing. I actually like that coming from WuWa to ZZZ, I just have to hit one button with only moderately good timing and then I'm set. Also the visual for ZZZ is much easier to use. You see the golden cross flash, you slam that parry button. In WuWa it's an expanding circle within a circle, and you have to somehow time an appropriate attack as it aligns(I think?), and if you're already mid animation or something... well go eff yourself I guess. I dunno, I just don't like having to be THAT sweaty with my daily mobile games. With WuWa I usually use the parry indicator as a "dodge now" sign instead, lol, and if I randomly get a parry here and there, great. But overall, I would say that WuWa is the more engaging and well-crafted combat system, while ZZZ is the more visually satisfying and fun to look at combat system... but it's already starting to feel a little stale.

[@KiraNightV]

The TVs feel like a story-board idea of how the game should progress from A to B. "We have to get to this specific point in a Hollow, we should put some enemies before that and do a puzzle type thing." Which in open-world games feel good. In Zenless all of that have been replaced by TVs. In my opinion if they kept the concept but instead of showing individual TV screens they make it so you can see your team and your Bangboo from a top down perspective and you control the Bangboo to lead the group through the same things it would make them a 100 times better. There was a moment in the story where Corin is supposed to lift a heavy block and carry it to a button. It would have been fun to see that, instead of just being told that it's happening.

[@Skippy191]

The only reason why I left the beginning was purely because the first story arc.

[@Althexia]

Speaking of the stages... A lot of them feel very unnatural.. Like "Oh look at this perfectly laid out ramp of fallen copy pasted things perfectly laid out for me amongst all this chaos. Totally doesn't look out of place or anything."

[@Althexia]

oh and almost every area you fight in is a perfect rectangle or circle, lol.

[@hexjuice]

very post apocalyptic chic

[@Octo_Chara]

4:16 Jokes on them, I have enough memory to keep all hoyoverse games and wuwa installed on my pc. Granted I don't have much left for other games but still.

[@Tachuya112]

Can there be a place to show the characters we own in the world too Only seein them in combat suuuuucks

[@guillermogerrycabrera7625]

I know lots of people here already have like three digit storage size in their phones while i still have phone with 64gb(and reduced for system etc.) Storage management is pure torture. Choosing what to stay, what to delete/uninstall, etc. man...

[@kinshorin]

I agree with Wuthering Waves parry's being awkward to time. Probably would've been better if they had a dedicated button for it instead of just timing an attack at the right time for your character, kind of like Sekiro.

[@sdk5567]

hub or home area where mc runs and interacts, it should have been a mall with a round structure with shops and an arcade like a mall's food court, and you can quick switch when you are in one shop and change to another. Give shop small individual animations and the mall moves around you like 3d pokemon black and white, run in one direction and camera follows you and mall moves.

[@Rakumei672]

Those in chat saying the sound files are why it's such a large install...no. Audio file packs are about 700 MB per language. And it only installs more than one if you make it. Audio files are super small compared to other game assets, especially if compressed which these likely are.

[@JustMyTruth23]

Hi Hex, I had a thought while watching this video. Does "Combat Focused" equal Combat difficulty or challenging? I think Hoyo pulled a fast one on the advertising.

[@MiAGamerz404]

The size of the game, my guess is that the dev does not scale down any of the in game asset quality and they put in high quality for every asset in it. And there's so many TV sequences. I'm not sure how they do that, having that the TV sequences that need to zoom in at times requires all the gif/image/video file to be at high res. It's my guess here, i have no proof to back it up.

[@Enochian_Tomfoolery]

Genshin model rips at release had very large file sizes despite looking pretty low quality. They just have a problem with optimization.

[@Kamuigod2001]

I love the TV system. I may be the only human who does xD

[@sirmeowmeow7319]

the tvs in main quests are part of the story mode, so for the girl who skips the story, they would not understand the tvs well and think of its as just some annoying nonsense. complaining about it because u don't understand it is crazy mostly because its her fault for skipping the story to begin with

[@wasabiisan7986]

i’m just playing for hoshimi miyabi atp

[@Subject19-b6b]

Gonna be honest kinda hate that the "its like a fighting game" approach when talking about combat design. Like have any of y'all played DMC or Beyonetta maybe more classic hack 'n slash games like old God of War. Those are better comparisons than say Street Fighter or Tekken.

[@theunarmedbrawler3546]

they should make it so the fast forward on the tvs skips all dialogue and doesnt turn off unless I click it off

[@infestedq]

I think as far as combat goes it doesn't need more buttons. Like with Honkai Impact the combat depth came later in the game as it evolved. Given how much HI3rd combat changed I think the combat for this game is intentionally dumbed down for now to make it easy to learn. In the future I would like to see us make more of combo attacks based on how you link the EXspecial with basic attacks, dodges, and dashes. We get a small taste of that with Ellen where you have to dash-charge to gain flash freeze. That said, I think chain attacks should be changed a little bit. Give us maybe a half second(or let us adjust the timer) to continue the chain or drop it, I find the chains to sometimes be invasive as I am just getting ready to crush some mob with a fully buffed Ellen and then STUN NOW SWITCH TO SOMEONE ELSE. The chain attack is very fun, it feels good, but sometimes I want to just have my Sharkmaido rip the mobs to shreds without waiting out the timer.

[@Dartik24plays]

I thought you can run around as your character when you get to trust 4

[@onedown2202]

I've got into the game without knowing much about it, I just saw some cartoonish add and I liked the animation... tried it. Loved it, actually. I need to say, I guess, I am a person who really enjoys story-modes in rpg, puzzle-games, old dungeon crawlers and new indie games and, on top of that, I like slice of life anime. But I also enjoy many other types of games, I am very open-minded, I guess. So... for me, a player with no info about CBT's and livestreams, with no expectations of this game, and generally vast range of interests - it feels like this game is made for me. I am having the time of my life running around to pet kitties, talk to people, understanding world lore through side quests, goofing around with playable chars etc. Combat for me in this game is just a nice addition to all the other great features of it. It feels natural and fun to play, but I am not hyperfixated on it, cause I can enjoy many things. At this point, I think that the only flaw of this game is the gacha system itself, and the resin-based stuff, that is locking your progression. I guess this game would be 100% more appreciated by the community if they tried to look at it not like an action game or Hoyo game. And if it was just stylish story-driven rpg/puzzle-game without any gacha. I would totally buy it. But alas. It's a shame if they advertised it like GI or emphasized action-gameplay before anything else, I would be disappointed too if I was going into it with these kinds of expectations. I think they've tried to advertise it to the wrong people. Also, I think that people nowadays just can't stand slow paced games for some reason, and if you need to wait or read, or be stopped by game trying to explain you something it's the end of the world. I don't know, maybe if I had problems with my PC and long loading screens I would think otherwise. But I have decent gears, and it feels extremely smooth and not forced in any capacity. So what am I trying to say here - I think they've got wrong audience, and I think it's a great game. Not MID, just not for some people, and that's okay.

[@JamesBrown-zu8iv]

Surely Wuthering Waves, so far progressing well, which impressed players get use to it somehow. However if WuWa going succeed at that time, can we main consoles to play in players, especially PlayStation 5, will they do it?

[@thelonlydarkness]

i just quit the game after gettin spooked twice on the limited banner lol besides the fact 80% of the game play is puzzles and SOME fights in the tv section. Combat is a lot of fun for me but lmao the spooks really just killed the game for me if mashing thru out all the dialogue i got in the tv section stopping me every 20 secs every time i hit a button or teleport by the mc its blah blah blah puzzle blah blah fight blah blah puzzles.... im good T_T

[@Novk010]

Their outro music is so fire

[@LostWallet]

I think the parry difficulty in Wuwa make sense, because parrying an attack in that game give you so much advantage. not only you do huge stagger to the boss, you also stop their attack in its track. the harder the parry, the bigger the return. some boss with easier parry dont stop their combos, and some boss will literally fall down and stop their combos from a parry. its hard to perform, so it gave you great return. ZZZ parry mechanic is diffrent. its easier to do, the game expect you to be able to do it consistently, so the return is not as high as WuWa. and that is ok. the parry system in these two game are fundamentally diffrent.

[@Kazuk1787]

I was disappointed with the combat because of how they advertised it. Especially after how some cc's mentioned it's like a fighting game but it doesn't feel that way to me when I tried it but I still enjoyed the game cause the story was alright and the characters themselves are very interesting. WuWa's combat feels more like playing a fighting game to me. There's a lot of ways to approach combat (solo runs, two characters, or full teams). You can go have a team with very good synergy or just characters you like but still have some degree of success (unless its the Towers and Hologram Bosses). There's more skill expression in WuWa. Even PGR and HI3 have a lot more options in their combat. ZZZ's combat felt like playing those classic arcade beat em ups and once I approached the game with that mindset, I got to appreciate it a bit more. The TV mazes have to go though or at least not have it in the main story and just limit it to the other modes

[@LordOhmes]

I did, in fact, uninstall WuWa for ZZZ...i am ashamed, but im enjoying not having to try as much to feel like im making progression towards things. Dailies take like 2 minutes if i domt have time to play that day. Art design is fantastic, and the personalities of the characters is more personable than i thought it'd be. Its helps that my early pulls were blessed 🙌

[@Nataninko]

HI3 previously bad then good and now Idk Genshin devs bad Hsr devs good Zzz devs?? Let's see what the social experiment that hoyo (might have) conducted lead ZZZ devs to I'm not playing ZZZ but feel like they have a 50/50 chance here Hopefully for ZZZ players they won't lose the 50/50 but seeing as they pretty much lied about the tv system change... Idk.

[@NemoRackkz]

8:32 I mean there is a character in the game that deals with multiple enemies pretty good if you build him.... I know people say he sucks but blud has been making that process you just described non existent for me. Take a guess at who it could be....

[@GAMeBIT.v2]

S Rank has already started getting harder for me. On the one hand I’m like yay. On the other, the grind for only S tier runs begins 😈

[@f.b.l.9813]

it's a Hoyo game without the name Honkai on it, even if it's fixable, Hoyo isn't gonna do shit, don't get your hopes up.

[@hexjuice]

my hopes are in hell i just like to yap

[@OldManInternet]

Hex is such a Stioorg glazer. Does Tectone know she's cheating on him? (This is a joke. If you weren't aware this was a joke before this disclaimer, considering reading more, or perhaps touching grass.)

[@hexjuice]

List of MF’s HexJuice loves to PRAISE: Luhrow Legionzgaming OofieTV EmiMatcha Roguekiller KazahanaEdits VxVFiction Iyo Probably a lot more. Rarely the baldy

[@johnnyalfred2568]

That demon slayer take....good lord

[@Althexia]

also on mobile the loading screens in missions between TVs and Combat can take over a minute some times. PC isn't as bad but like daaaamn. ALSO PRO TIP: if you gotta go somewhere for story don't walk there, just use the teleport menu. Way faster and you only have to deal with 1 loading screen to get there.

[@Althexia]

ALSO: You can teleport directly to the Bangboo/etc NPCs with the teleport menu. It's not the best but it's better than having to remember where they are.

[@XzMondayNightzX]

Fast traveling in such a tiny world is ass and the menus suck. How many times have I had to THINK "What zone is this zone to get to this shop in and what menu gets me there.". Remember when you could open a map and just go there? Lolis trash. Game size too big. Optimization bad. Combat mid as fuck and difficulty nonexistent. Might be easy because mobile bros and the nature of the game. Might change in a year or so. Level Designs are crap. Characters are going to be the new "content" as they unlock newer cooler combos and stuff... but only for that character. This isn't proven but hey I have a feeling we're going this way. TVS BAD. "Wait till you get to the construction boss mark 2" Oh that one that blew up that seemed like the first few? What are these bosses. They're not bosses they're fucking salarymen. I don't know how to fix the tvs other than using them as an overhead map layout and having you PHYSICALLY PLAYERSIDE move through the zones with all the shit happening. The way it is now trying to work around it is just.. oh man. Obviously the empty corridors are trash and almost all layouts would need to be changed. Unless the game is making 10 dollars a month they're not going to do an intensive overhaul like this. My fighting game is not it and it's barely a beat'em up which is what I wanted.

[@dezmodium]

I think all the fighting game people who are saying "this game is super complex and built around fighting game mechanics and you can't just button mash through the hard content" are going to be hilariously BTFO in 6 months when a few characters are released and everyone is button mashing their way through the hardest content with whatever new banner character of the month is.

[@unshvncaucasian1428]

I think the optimization for this game is best on PS5. Trying to play this on my (definitely old) PC or my brand new Google Pixel 8 feels so bad.

[@Lucky_Fluffy]

yea MC feels like when they Sprint they sprint like x1.1 Faster then normal, and thats still Slow as snail Snot XD MC should Sprint x2 faster then Walking and if thats too fast make it an Option you can Change in Settings or something.That can't be too difficult right? Damn Hex your Anime Tastes are going to cause so much hate v_v which is kinda Tragic cause everyone is entitled to their opinion, but not everyone sees it that way :/.

[@NomineName]

good takes

[@zacziggarot]

Well if the file size was to try to get us to delete wuthering waves it didn't really work cuz I ended up deleting Genshin and HSR 😂

[@hexjuice]

BASED BASED BASED BASED

[@Draighean]

Knowing is Mihoyo nothing will change and zzz will just find its niche of gamers willing to roll to perpetuity with that perfectly mediocre quality.

[@razornad1299]

i bet a lot of players make a lot of criticsm about TV in the survey ..... are they going to listen to their players survey or not ... we will se in 1.1 livestream

[@romeopiston8211]

Jump and jump attack options…

[@user-nl6rx1yk9n]

They tried tu pull an YanSim with ZZZ

[@randomoofkingstuff2174]

I actuslly like the game now after suffer for the first 10 hour

[@Kage2529]

Not gonna lie…I subscribed because she said demon slayer is trash and I agree lol also I like your videos

[@Otherr-l4n]

Just fixed it by uninstalling.....

[@lurkingaround3095]

15:49 I think you're mistaking UX for UI

[@skyrash7]

ngl i zoned out after first few minutes of the video but i heard demon slayer bad so like/based 😂

[@forthelichkingsname]

there's no need to stress yourselves thinking about how to make the game better, that's hoyo's job and they never listen. lmao Question, Ms. Hex, you mentioned some animes you don't like, do you watch Oshi No kO? lmao

[@mleong75]

Improve the controller scheme for the UI. Its absolutely horrible to navigate with a controller. And why can't we freely switch between mouse and controller like HSR?

[@kirbyh644]

Hey hex