Zero S Electric Motorcycle Test Ride | Torque Monster!

[@papinbala]

yuup. this is the beginning of the end for the petrol motor

[@WeNeedASaga]

papinbala I think so, yeah!

[@Nderak]

Ending the ICEage…

[@triplelucas9343]

Not for motorbikes ... they are not very hungry in petrol, just 5 to 7L/100km for the most powerfull bikes

[@Sciguy95]

I dont agree because of how many people would never switch simply because of sound. The only thing i think that would cause a big change would be a huge increase in gas prices combined with a much lower price for the electric bike. Personally though, i would love to have one of these.

[@aman-mn5kc]

No clutch gives the bike instant access to your will. Electric motors gives no vibrations to the handles, very nice! When you get it, its more like hovering the streets! When the full size mc hubmotors arrive you will get a REALLY high efficiency! ..and as a plus, only dust on the parts when fixing things.

[@richy69ify]

These bikes will actually attract a different type of person to the regular bikers getting off on power-loss noise

[@dattape2828]

what's to maintain? just brake fluid change?

[@shiroineko13]

Brake disks, and tires. On the long run you save money on the fuel and maintenance compared to a petrol bike.

[@goldfever4570]

And the belt drive.

[@antonnpn9063]

So, like a 60kw hubmotor?

[@outie555]

man that bike looks awesome and a perfect colour too. If they can get the price down to around 10k mark they will become super popular

[@WeNeedASaga]

Yeah I was super impressed! If they got them down to 10k I would be among the people signing up!

[@DanDippity]

I saw a 2014 Zero DS on Gumtree with 950km for $9000. Another factor about electric bikes is that at least you don't have to trust that the previous owner changed the oil and filters regularly. Few thousand less and you'll make up the cost difference in long-term savings no problem. Cheap 'fuel', lack of maintenance, cheaper rego.

[@krutogge]

on the other hand, you can mess up the battery if its leaved "empty" under a period of time.

[@ir0nm8n]

just as a reminder, they are down to about 10k right now ;)

[@thruxton12]

outie555 thinking the same 10k

[@MyWorkoutSwitzerland]

Great bike. This is better than every other motobike with a combustion engine. No noise, no air pollution and still a lot of power. Just future style!

[@Chasmodius]

Believe me: the rest of the driving public really appreciates the lack of awful noise out of these things even more than you might!

[@WeNeedASaga]

Chasmodius ha fair enough. in that case, you probably won't be that interested in my latest video - 3mins of just bike sound!

[@Chasmodius]

It's not the sound itself that's so bad -- internal combustion engine exhaust noises can be quite pleasing -- it's the volume of those sounds that's so obnoxious and painful. I get that you're all wearing helmets, but how does that not kill your ears?

[@WeNeedASaga]

I agree dude, sometimes a bike will go by and it's so loud all I can think is "why?". As for the ears, I wear earplugs. It helps with bike noise but also the wind noise at highway speeds. I find I feel much fresher at the end of a ride if I've been wearing earplugs.

[@pundah7084]

I just wish there was a engine sound option when buying it. Cuz low noise can be good but you gotta let the cars know ur there.

[@thorstambaugh1520]

They put a special component for noise to let people know you are there. Its called a horn

[@sandycriscione2720]

If I get a moto this will be it! Thanks for the video review!

[@charlesmarks8517]

Their expensive to buy but compare the running costs for both bikes for the year.+ no poisoning of the air & no noise complaints. Win win situation. Enjoy your rides safe travels.

[@jimoflh5773]

I would have to put a speaker on the back and have different exhaust sounds each day

[@WeNeedASaga]

Jimmy Burgess lol!! brilliant idea.

[@J3sus1sL0rd1]

Reason of 20 Gran because of Australian Dollar is weaker than US Dollar. Maybe; you can get solar panels for free power from sunlight. The plus side, with 240 volts with 15 Amp circuit does really help for very decent charging rate. Even 2KW. solar panels plus solar batteries will really help in big time.

[@Fearless.Gamer7]

i love it.. I want this bike

[@eldorkpistolero1555]

I would ride one as a daily commute but I'd get the dual sport model

[@WeNeedASaga]

yeah, the DS looks a bit more versatile!

[@eldorkpistolero1555]

+WeNeedASaga agreed

[@AdamSuperAC]

Mate great vid. was at St. Peters on thurs. At Procycles checking these bikes out. Yep cost would need to come down, but man I love em!

[@WeNeedASaga]

thanks mate. yeah they're pretty damn impressive hey!

[@6Twisted]

As someone who rides an MT-07 with a straight pipe, some days I wouldn't mind an electric bike for when I just want to go for a quiet, chill ride.

[@WeNeedASaga]

6Twisted ha, having recently taken the baffle out of the exhaust on my MT09 I know exactly what you mean...

[@christophercarney7655]

They are around 10k now.

[@WeNeedASaga]

where abouts do you live? that sounds like a much more decent price!

[@pwntwtf]

15-19k USD here in America.

[@losteroni]

You can get one for 10K here in California but that's for the 6.3Kwh with no options .

[@bradharrison6822]

rode the RS model and it has some pep in it. what i did notice more than anything was the noise of the tires gripping the road when you corner, accelerate or brake. so your senses start listening to whats happening with the grip on the road than the exhaust note and gearing. its a very different feeling. i to see this is the future if the prices are lowered.

[@LiveFreeNDieHard1]

This bike under $10,000 will be a sensation.

[@WeNeedASaga]

agreed!

[@GxGNoir]

There’s one for sale for 7k 🤔

[@Shuv_The1]

Tork motors in India is going to offer an electric bike in around 2000 USA dollars.. It open for pre booking in India right now, model - Tork tx6 i guess..

[@WeNeedASaga]

that sounds promising! if it's any good, a $2000 electric bike could be really popular...

[@momentozone5123]

When it will come to india? And how much price?👌👍

[@mBlazer2]

One thing you didn't mention - with no engine vibration the mirrors are useable and reliable.

[@WeNeedASaga]

yeah good point - it's smooth as!

[@josephbrody3663]

Typically on a Zero, if the kickstand is down, it will error, show a warning light and prevent power to the motor. Could be a bad kickstand sensor.

[@WeNeedASaga]

Joseph Brody interesting! the dealer was making out like it was supposed to work that way!

[@kristopho]

My Kawasaki Concours has this feature. If you let off the clutch with the kick stand down, it will kill the engine.

[@MT_45]

It looks good but I doubt about the after sale services, even though there's nothing much for servicing like petrol bikes.

[@TannerCrook]

Best review I have seen of the bike. Thanks!

[@WeNeedASaga]

thanks mate! glad you enjoyed it.

[@vinceking7878]

How about you hire the use of a battery network, stations swap your battery to a charged one immediately. You may get basic and duff ones though.

[@TheBriansle]

I own the zero S 14.4 it's like a Grom on steroids. pretty damn fun. would like them to make a supersport model.

[@coronapounder]

so for 10 grand more i can get the Lightning LS218? 😎

[@BrianHeplerSasquatch]

Closer to 20K more. And the Zero will actually be on the floor at the dealership.

[@llerradish]

It's 2018 right now and I Rode the 2017 models the s 6.5, and the Sr 14 point something and the fxs 9.6 and the rings on the highway isn't good on any of them especially if you're a little bit of throttle happy. But they're great around town very simple and very fun to ride. The S 6.5 is on sale for $12,000 right now and the sr-14 something is on sale for 16 thousand dollars. I'd like to have one but not for my only bike and I really only good for around town and close to town. But they are supposed to be coming out with new or models with longer ranges.

[@choski76]

weneedasaga the lack of engine noise allows more alertness and awareness. engine noise especially loud, is grating and wearisome on a long highway ride . vibration also

[@WeNeedASaga]

choski76 agreed - it would definitely help reduce fatigue!

[@danielsefair6258]

cuando llega a colombia.

[@gabrielpuha773]

for a bigger range, unlimited range actually, one could make a battery that you could take out and swap it with a charged one instead of waiting for it to charge, at every station in the world, like any gas station today. i saw a video with a e-bike that had a battery you could take it inside the house for charging, could be something like that.

[@renynzea]

The Zero FX and FXS have removable batteries. Was a requirement for the military model they sell. Only downside is they have the shortest range of the Zero offerings.

[@jamesavery6671]

yeah just taking out a 150 pound battery is practical

[@doublecupeli2486]

Need to have attachable solar panels so if you DO get stuck with an empty battery, you can wait and charge it then go about your way

[@WeNeedASaga]

Eli Joy brilliant idea!!

[@akstj_999]

Nice! but I'll prefer Tork T6X bike over this because Tork T6X is around $1800 and it can travel around 500 km on a single charge. Though it has relatively low power compared to Zero S but Tork T6X is a good electric bike for first experience at low price.

[@vaibhavv3831]

Price in India?

[@splatterchops]

No clutch, wheelies?

[@thorstambaugh1520]

You have to learn a different technique but it does wheelie

[@Daren_PNW]

Regenerative is def awesome. If I'm low, I'd like to be able to find a nice long decline hill and cruise down that to regenerate a bit. xD

[@gharvey001]

Hey thanks for the great video! I'm strongly considering purchasing one of these bikes. I've been building/riding electric bicycles for around a year now and I've really grown fond of the reliability/low maintenance/cheap fuel bill/ and torquey FUN that electric motors offer. Off topic - could you please tell me what model those gloves you're wearing in this vid are? They seem like exactly what I've been looking for.. Thanks again! G

[@WeNeedASaga]

And the chap at the shop made a good point to me - you pay more up front, but the low maintenance/no fuel etc that you mention means that over time you recoup some of that up front cost. But regardless of the costs, they're definitely fun :)

[@WeNeedASaga]

Sorry Gary I didn't see your second question. The gloves are Alpinestars celer gloves - like these: www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/alpinestars-celer-gloves

[@edwardboe4762]

Zero S base model is down to $10.999 msrp. Im all about it here soon.

[@PerryBowden]

Did you say the bike engages when the kickstand is down? I thought it doesn't... Also, you mentioned the throttle not being what they made it out to be, but it looked almost like you were running it in eco-mode.

[@mukeshpimpale7774]

Were is Indian showroom

[@awo1fman]

I recognize Prince's Highway and Tempe and Cook's River Bridge. You're in my stomping grounds! I recently had exactly the same issue at the exact same place you get blocked by a truck with other trucks parked on the left. (Grrrr!!) I test rode a Zero DS last year in Gosford. I was not really impressed with the acceleration, but I'm used to a Suzuki GS1100E, so probably not a fair comparison. I think it would take me a long time to stop grabbing for the clutch like I did constantly on that ride. My current bike is a Hyosung GT650S, which I love and is also quicker and faster than the Zero, but I'm really not a fan of the characteristics of the V-twin engine, even though it's the most powerful in its class. It's just too much vibration, it doesn't spool up like an inline and it always sounds like it's misfiring compared to the inline 4 I love. In spite of (in my opinion) not really living up to the hype, I'll probably be getting a Zero SR next year when I can afford it. I'm looking forward to the lack of vibration and noise.

[@WeNeedASaga]

Yeah I agree, they're not as ballistic as you might expect but it's just so effortless! And we know as battery technology improves these things will only get better. And yeah, the peacefulness is fantastic huh?

[@thorstambaugh1520]

Only someone with a seriously badass bike wouldnt be impressed by the torque and acceleration and your GS1100 would fit that bill lol

[@walterbishop3668]

Can't afford it :(

[@WeNeedASaga]

walter bishop same here dude! :(

[@Audriakas]

walter bishop its about 10k right now

[@Audriakas]

or not so rich and mindfull?

[@SinclairBikeTrials]

What capacity bike does this compare to? You mentioned torque comparison such as mt09 - is that the feel to you after the ride? For example in cars we Compare trim feel and fitment, power, braking, audio etc... How did this feel?

[@Sciguy95]

For the people in america the bike has a base msrp of just over $10,000 in US money.

[@Rick_Sanchez_C137_]

“This thing’s got 90 Newton’s of torque.” Does it also have a range of 19,200 rods before needing recharge? Is the seat 8 hands high? Does it weigh just over 22 stone? Does it travel at speeds up to 728 leagues a day(just over .1226 Mach speed)? Never mind, since the torque is mentioned but not the angle or length of lever it is a fairly useless number if not comparing to specific bikes with exact same measurements isn’t it?

[@WeNeedASaga]

interesting! I didn't know that was the case. serious question (not being a jerk) why do manufacturers quote torque figures if they're not comparable between models?

[@Rick_Sanchez_C137_]

WeNeedASaga They CAN be comparable between models, but ONLY if the other two measurements are the same. Bikes in same class should have SIMILAR measurements and so a simple torque number would be comparable but only approximate since specs between different bikes aren’t exact.......but when all is said and done, bigger numbers sound better (and are) and when talking to the mathematically challenged, 90 is better than 80, and they don’t want to know the equation to do the comparisons between the bikes cause “math hurt head.” V8 > V6 4litre > 3litre 400 > 350 4 barrel carb > 2 barrel carb All generalizations that if ALL OTHER things are equal, are true....but how often are all other things equal? (EDIT). And thanks for not being a jerk, especially since I’d already shot a load of sarcasm all over the video.

[@WeNeedASaga]

Interesting! Yeah no worries dude, I'd rather learn something than try and argue about something I don't understand. Thanks for the explanation.

[@gumpert7611]

torque is definitely comparable between models. He meant to say 90 Newton-metres of torque. The differences lie in the torque curves of different engines, some produce high torque at low rpms, mid range etc etc

[@Rick_Sanchez_C137_]

gumpert7 did you not read it all, or do you have reading comprehension problems? Seriously, all of it was explained.

[@bikesworldsayed5335]

how india lounge this bike

[@paulgregroy1986]

Hi! I understand what your Saying Sir, but there's still no not enough range of miles or kilometres on a charge and like you said that are too expensive to buy and also how long does a battery last and how much does a carbon footprint does it take to make the batteries and also to make the electric in the first place so are will Realy Saveing on Carbon in the ozone layer! Nice Video.thankyou.

[@WeNeedASaga]

Some good points Paul, definitely a debate worth having. At 200k's I think the range is decent, but yes you'd still need to make sure you're near power when the charge runs out. According to Zero, the batteries are expected to last at least 400,000k's, which is obviously much further than most petrol bikes ever travel, so not really a problem. Regarding the energy cost to produce the batteries, I have no idea and that's a good question for Zero. I guess the idea is that if we keep refining the method it will get more efficient over time. Zero have been building bikes for 10 years now and whilst not perfect, it's amazing how far they've come already and I reckon they're only going to get better! Good luck to em I say! :)

[@anitacoco7542]

What is the carbon footprint to make a refinery, pipelines, oil tankers, 18 wheelers to deliver, gas station buildings, etc?

[@richy69ify]

what about the possibility of swapping batteries? providing a generic one is produced. Williams F1 engineering produced a battery where the cooling fluid and electric connection were disconnected in an instant. They were invited to make the batteries for Formula E, which at the moment doesn't use swappables, but the technology is there.

[@thruxton12]

Great video nice looking bike. Better than some other electric bike olternatives.

[@questionmark6204]

8:44 hey dude...you cut out here. Safe as what?

[@WeNeedASaga]

Dr Mundo sorry it's an Australian figure of speech... "safe as" just means "very safe"

[@roshanluchmun6743]

the problem of this motor is the charging the have to improve the charging by solor are make a sistem it charge him self when the motor is running

[@paulgregroy1986]

Thanks for replying Back.i think the future electric motorcycles is going to be the lightning,most people are going to want to go for the lighting. has been the fastest production bike in the world been electric and speed Sells.

[@invasion1824]

Hi, do you think this bike will be rideable without any problems for at least 10 years?

[@WeNeedASaga]

I have no idea mate. That's longer than they have been in existence so I don't think anyone knows that for sure...

[@thorstambaugh1520]

Batteries and motor are good for about 300000 miles. Make your own judgment

[@anthonysousa8470]

How fast can this hit

[@WeNeedASaga]

About 95mph/153kph apparently

[@GuardianLords]

I instantly forgot you were in Australia when you just said you were in Australia and when you went on the other side of the road I panicked for a second.

[@WeNeedASaga]

GuardianLords haha, same thing happens to me if I've been watching some Australian videos and i switch to an American video

[@thorstambaugh1520]

Well they are upside down on the globe so it makes sense they ride on the wrong side of the road!

[@JustforFun-cb7bo]

i could buy a bike like this!

[@MyRandomLife247]

I'm curious, were you on your L's or P's when riding this? Is it learner approved there?

[@WeNeedASaga]

Yeah I was - on my P's. The sales guy said it's something to do with how the bikes were registered with the motoring authority here when they first came out. Anyone can ride them here - there's even an "L plate approved" on the brochure!

[@zagray2305]

As of August of 2019, it’s about 10 grand

[@MMcClatcheydesign]

Got me a 2017 ZERO S ZF13.0

[@krunchie101]

They need to not cost as much as a CBR1000 and I might be interested in them. It might have been in eco mode which is why it wasn't as snappy.

[@WeNeedASaga]

Ha yeah I agree dude; the price will need to come down a bit more before I'd be tempted.

[@DirtyWeekendsAway]

I kinda wanna take one for a test ride now. I do love the sound of burning dinosaurs though... :/

[@WeNeedASaga]

Do eeet! You won't be disappointed!

[@DirtyWeekendsAway]

+WeNeedASaga I'll take one for a spin when I'm back in Sydney. pro cycles st Peter's yeah? that's where I got my street triple from

[@WeNeedASaga]

that's the one!

[@richy69ify]

If you ride a rollercoaster, are you offended it doesn't make a loud noise? or does the silence make it more exhilarating? Electric bikes will certainly appeal to a different type of person. Not everybody wants noise/attention.

[@thorstambaugh1520]

Get both. Compare which one you ride more

[@AMindInOverdrive]

CAD $18,300 here in Vancouver - Hope prices comes down. Is being almost silent a safety concern?

[@jaylittleton1]

Gold Wing riders don't seem to mention a problem from quietness. If you think about it, you can hear noise around you better, so safer?

[@apkn1955]

They are 3 years away from a 1000 mi range.

[@FrostMonolith]

That silence will make anyone way more aware of the surroundings, but terrifying for highway riders, might lose some concentration and snooze due to less noise anywhere.

[@WeNeedASaga]

The awareness of your surroundings is one of the first things I noticed! So different to being on a loud bike...

[@DanDippity]

Just get yourself a cheap open-face helmet and the wind noise will keep you awake no worries.

[@DanDippity]

But... bro... -loud exhausts save lives- cause bad drivers to panic and be distracted from the road.

[@draganm7823]

Its actually the oposite of that, noise brings attention and attention brings caution. Speaking from personal experience the bike I bought came with loud performance pipes and other drivers were more aware than on a quieter bike. Remember that when a bike is behind a car its harder to hear the bike so every extra Db helps. Cheers.

[@shirazenema3228]

Have to disagree, i may hear some dipshit with attention deficit disorder on a harley ride by in my car,but i can't hear fuck all with my tunes turned up. I keep an eye out for bikes by using my mirrors and nothing else.

[@andhugulaisaacdennis5623]

These bikes are really cool. When can we expect these bikes in India??

[@WeNeedASaga]

dennis isaac I'm not sure mate. maybe check Zero's website?

[@nbvnothingbutvideo5084]

India price

[@attakatlang1233]

really good and lovely bike

[@joeyyoung946]

Above my price range. I will stay with ⛽

[@Harry.0_o]

Bro is this zero bikes are gear bikes

[@madsmax7317]

I want to ride my bike but i left it without winterizing it and now the thing is dead. Have to drain gas and clean carb and all that. I would love an electric bike i could just ride and not worry about fluids and engine maintenance. Plus the idea of being silent is actually appeals because u can be a hooligan and not attract to much attention.

[@mukeshpimpale7774]

I like this byke and i need this byke

[@michor10]

Too bad that battery technology is lacking behind, tho.

[@ByWhom]

too costly . in india we are giving the same feature and define at just 2000 dollar=1,25000rs

[@thorstambaugh1520]

LOL. Not even close

[@Xproud90]

Good for earth

[@REAlREAction]

This is crazy..

[@JustforFun-cb7bo]

very nice moto!

[@SickBikeDude]

An APP!! Download your fav exhaust notes and sync it to your revs! Install a sound system to the bike and holy shiiiiiiittttt bro. Lol

[@GxGNoir]

Jool is that really a thing

[@johnathonhardman1634]

"Petrol juice" lmao haha

[@externalinfluences6676]

I have two issues with electric vehicles: 1) Fast charging is offered as a solution for the traditional problem of batteries taking hours to fill, but it can seriously degrade battery performance if done often (although this will improve) and more seriously, 2) electric vehicles are only as 'clean' as what generated the electricity that they run on. Generally, this isn't all that great. A corollary of this is the extra load they place on power grids, presently it's not that big a deal but in the future...

[@mx-pyro]

To a degree that holds true, that electric is only as clean as where it's produced... However if compared to say gasoline then it takes 4-6 kilowatt hours just to refine a single gallon. Then that has to be transported at an additional cost and loss of more fuel. Watt for Watt it's simply always more environmentally efficient to use electricity directly for transportation and it would additionally reduce the load on the grid.

[@anitacoco7542]

Fast charging is available for zero's now. The zero battery can be charged at any level as many times as possible without any loss in performance or longevity. Most electric vehicles are charged at night when demands on the grid are small, in fact it's a great time to charge as the plant generators are running anyways, so it's more efficient to have some load on them.

[@michor10]

Yeah. I agree but I don't want to have to stop every 100 miles for two hours. No way.

[@DanDippity]

There's also the issue of supply and demand. There's more incentive to further develop cleaner and more efficient production methods as the demand increases.

[@cros13]

There are other options. DC rapid charging can give you an 80-90% charge in around 15 minutes. Few bikes with it yet.. only the Italian Energica superbikes have DC right now. Mainly 'cause you need a higher capacity pack to absorb the power that quick. At least here in Ireland we have 50kW DC rapid chargers every 25-30km on pretty much every route. 200-300km on a full pack and you'll only stop every few hours on a road trip... sure you need to stretch your legs anyway....

[@DavidGriffis]

Great bike if you commute 20 miles or less. If you like taking a weekend cruise and driving more than an hour forget it. If you spend 10k for a bike you should be able to drive it for more than an hour away. Nice for around town. Otherwise it's useless.

[@madsmax7317]

Make that supermoto 6500 or 7 grand and ill buy it.

[@sschaem]

at 5:00... is that an islamic mosque ?

[@WeNeedASaga]

T21 yes it is

[@DigitalicaEG]

As opposed to all the non Islamic mosques that are all over the place

[@thetoxicnoob8023]

I love the electric bike and car Like A Tesla lighting motorcycle and zero

[@Gary1q2]

WAit wat the fuck thats the park @ wolli creek hahahahaha

[@alessandrofrioli6978]

i don't want the future ehehe

[@WeNeedASaga]

hahah. yeah i'll keep my noisemaker for a bit longer ;)

[@thorstambaugh1520]

No problems. People will always ride horses

[@opfipip3711]

A range of 200 km with less then 10 kw/h battery capacity? Never ever.

[@Raphael992908941]

this is adelaide ain't it?

[@WeNeedASaga]

Nah, I'm in Sydney! :)

[@albahipolito4925]

To expensive I'm not crazy Good luck whit it ....

[@tenzind4175]

Slow pick ups at Starts and No Sounds from the exhaustions ....but that can be fixed in time .....besides it is indeed very important in today's time to give up Fuel and go electric..... coz We have been running the environment and bring down the Fuel dirty business people for over 100 years now .. those People Must be behind the Bars no matter how Powerful or Rich they are...

[@androsk7]

Must cone in India

[@marks6663]

crotch rocket punks would drain the battery in 15 minutes because they like to go fast, and accelerate hard everywhere they go. Batteries are great for grandmas scooter. So for 15 minutes, you pay $20,000. Battery powered vehicles just will never make any sense. It is all emotion and no logic.

[@thorstambaugh1520]

Except the vast market for these is not crotch rocket punks, it is commuters and people who want a reliable and thrilling ride.

[@TheObsessedGardener]

Another Aussie!

[@WeNeedASaga]

we're everywhere!

[@TheObsessedGardener]

WeNeedASaga Haha I'm from NSW, that's why I was happy to hear another Aussie on KZbin. On the contrary, KZbin has a disproportionate number of Americans so I was delightfully pleased to hear your accent! Keep up the videos. I enjoyed that one this morning. Thanks for the effort you've put in. Cheers.

[@WeNeedASaga]

Ha, ah right! Thanks for the support mate.

[@thorstambaugh1520]

Especially in Australia!

[@leepfart1323]

Still To expesive

[@dobby8907]

$10K IN AMERICA

[@WeNeedASaga]

dobby8907 bargain!

[@aussiespringbok8504]

I'd still prefer the Lightning LS218 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWSnmnSbmNiblZI

[@draganm7823]

Sure but at twice the price. But the LS is also twice the bike.

[@woozyrocketman1784]

looks cheap and cheerful.

[@dr.realshit6512]

Price?